Is a Zerker a suitable tank?

Thunnda · 10-21-2006, 02:47 AM

I am trying to choose between rolling a Berserker or a Guardian.

What I would like to know is if the Berserker, decently equipped in Mastercrafted, can tank in most situations? I don't expect to lead a Epix x 4 instance, but I would like to be able to tank in HoF, SoS, PoA, ect.

Our guild doesn't have a Beserker, and I thought it would be fun instead of rolling a boring old Guardian.

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks

RDBIII · 10-21-2006, 07:46 AM

Yes a zerk is a great tank! And you can lead a x4 raid as a zerk. Mit is king and the mit a zerk and guard can get are the almost exaclty the same. We have a 70 zerk that leads our raids on x4 mobs and has no problem with damage or aggro.

Adonis

69 Zerk

Sonaht · 10-21-2006, 05:38 PM

My husband and I play a zerker/templar duo and find that we can go anywhere under any conditions, no matter if it's a raid or just us two. His zerker rocks at all levels since he is very flexible. On raids he can sub in as MT easily and do a fine job. However, he's best standing in the midst of insane chaos casting his AOE taunt and taking on the world. BTW, if you can find a Templar to go with, having a plate-wearing healer stunning and swinging a big hammer beside you works really well in a duo. Between the two of us I think we can cycle through something like 10 different stun type attacks. We got a nasty yellow ^^^ ravasect add on our group of 4 and kept that sucker standing dazed with birdies around his head for the entire fight.... then had another add of the same and lived to tell the tale.

Message Edited by Sonaht on 10-21-2006 06:42 AM

Conjourer · 10-21-2006, 10:06 PM

Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...

Syrius Silverblade

70/50 Berserker

Venekor Server

steveatk · 10-22-2006, 04:56 AM

Conjourer wrote:
Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...

Syrius Silverblade
70/50 Berserker
Venekor Server

If you say soBoth Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage.

Message Edited by steveatk on 10-21-2006 05:56 PM

Conjourer · 10-22-2006, 04:12 PM

steveatk wrote:

Conjourer wrote:

Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...

Syrius Silverblade

70/50 Berserker

Venekor Server

If you say so

Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage.
Message Edited by steveatk on 10-21-2006 05:56 PM

Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!!

Syrius

Ep · 10-23-2006, 05:05 PM

tos every 3min ftw?i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools?

steveatk · 10-23-2006, 05:46 PM

Conjourer wrote:

steveatk wrote:

Conjourer wrote:

Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...

Syrius Silverblade

70/50 Berserker

Venekor Server

If you say so

Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage.
Message Edited by steveatk on 10-21-2006 05:56 PM

Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!!

Syrius

Woah, you might want to reduce your sugar intake or something SMILEY

I didn't say anything about Guardians being much better. Just trying to give a short but unbiased opinion for the OP as you were pushing the idea that Zerkers are the best under all circumstances which isn't true.

Conjourer · 10-23-2006, 06:19 PM

steveatk wrote:

Conjourer wrote:

steveatk wrote:

Conjourer wrote:

Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...

Syrius Silverblade

70/50 Berserker

Venekor Server

If you say so

Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage.
Message Edited by steveatk on 10-21-2006 05:56 PM

Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!!

Syrius

Woah, you might want to reduce your sugar intake or something

I didn't say anything about Guardians being much better. Just trying to give a short but unbiased opinion for the OP as you were pushing the idea that Zerkers are the best under all circumstances which isn't true.

Thats your opinion, I disagree, I have never been in a situation in 70 levels and 50 APs that I had wished I was a guardian...well that only covers my time on Venekor, since the release of KoS...lets go further back, since Syrius is my 3rd Berserker now...I have never been in a situation, since Launch of EQ2, Novermber of 2004, where I had wished any of my berserkers were guardians...

I, however, can't count on two hands, using all my fingers, how many conversations I have had with guardians that wished they were berserkers....but its not important...

The situation is, the OP asked if Berserkers were suitable Tanks, and I said we are the best tanks in the game...under any circumstance....and that is my opinion, and I believe its true...

3 berserkers since Launch, one in Qeynos, AB...One in FP, AB...and now Syrius in Qeynos, Venekor...

Syrius Silverblade

70/50 Berserker

70 Provisioner

Venekor Server

SirPrec!ze · 10-24-2006, 08:40 AM

There is no advantage a guardian has over a zerk, I have tanked every encounter in the game just fine(still working on matron). Our tanking abilities are just as good as guards and we hold aggro much better than them. There is a reason they have 2 rescues and ToS pffft wouldnt trade all my zerk ahs to offer just for that its not that great.

Bravesinger · 10-24-2006, 04:10 PM

Guardians ARE better at tanking orange epicx4. No doubt about that. An extra 1k hp helps them alot, and add to that extra defense. So berserkers are good at tanking yellow encounters with alot of adds, and guardians are best at tanking orange encounters...

Taeolen · 10-24-2006, 08:28 PM

My zerker is an awesome tank. Have been told that in many situations in groups I've joined. Always getting tells to be the MT for people. SMILEY

DarkMirrax · 10-24-2006, 08:35 PM

Bravesinger wrote:
Guardians ARE better at tanking orange epicx4. No doubt about that. An extra 1k hp helps them alot, and add to that extra defense. So berserkers are good at tanking yellow encounters with alot of adds, and guardians are best at tanking orange encounters...

QFE - zerkers take the blinkers off SMILEY

and trust me bravesword is one of the best tanks in EQ2 and I don't even like his guild :smileyvery-happy:

Taeolen · 10-24-2006, 08:51 PM

Epyx wrote:
tos every 3min ftw?

i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools?

I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that? I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin.

Did I miss something?

Message Edited by Taeolen on 10-24-2006 12:53 PM

YummiOger · 10-24-2006, 09:36 PM

Zerker is an Exellent tank. They can do it all, Solo, group and Raid tank. I prefer the Chaotic Fighter type so Zerk is 100% me :smileyvery-happy:.

Guardian and Zerker are so balanced Vs each other that 1 > other is not even a disscussion for me.

Thunnda · 10-26-2006, 09:37 PM

Thank you for the info.

My little zerker is 13, and looking forward to being twinked every 10 levels SMILEY

SolanariEQ · 10-27-2006, 02:52 AM

Is this the same Thundarrx from ? SMILEY

Wargurine · 10-27-2006, 12:00 PM

Taeolen wrote:

Epyx wrote:tos every 3min ftw?i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools?

I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that? I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin.

Did I miss something?
Message Edited by Taeolen on 10-24-2006 12:53 PM

Nope, if your a nuetral class, ie zerkers/guardian, wizard/warlock, dirge/troub, etc etc then you are not forced to change classes like a sk/pally would, however you do have the choice of changing class once you join your new city.

Taeolen · 10-27-2006, 07:44 PM

Wargurine wrote:

Taeolen wrote:

Epyx wrote:
tos every 3min ftw?

i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools?

I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that? I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin.

Did I miss something?

Message Edited by Taeolen on 10-24-2006 12:53 PM

Nope, if your a nuetral class, ie zerkers/guardian, wizard/warlock, dirge/troub, etc etc then you are not forced to change classes like a sk/pally would, however you do have the choice of changing class once you join your new city.

Wow! Cool, I did not know that! Could you, say go from a neutral class to another neutral class like a Zerker to a Wizard? Can you go from from a neutral class to an aligned class like a Guardian to a Paladin?

Conjourer · 10-27-2006, 08:50 PM

Taeolen wrote:

Wargurine wrote:

Taeolen wrote:

Epyx wrote:
tos every 3min ftw?

i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools?

I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that? I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin.

Did I miss something?

Message Edited by Taeolen on 10-24-2006 12:53 PM

Nope, if your a nuetral class, ie zerkers/guardian, wizard/warlock, dirge/troub, etc etc then you are not forced to change classes like a sk/pally would, however you do have the choice of changing class once you join your new city.

Wow! Cool, I did not know that! Could you, say go from a neutral class to another neutral class like a Zerker to a Wizard? Can you go from from a neutral class to an aligned class like a Guardian to a Paladin?

No...

You can only go from zerk to guardian, wiz to warlock, warden to fury, and vice versa...

Taeolen · 10-27-2006, 08:53 PM

Ok, I got ya. You can only betray to your class' counterpart.

zormik · 10-30-2006, 03:03 PM

Conjourer wrote:

steveatk wrote:

Conjourer wrote:

steveatk wrote:

Conjourer wrote:

Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...

Syrius Silverblade

70/50 Berserker

Venekor Server

If you say so

Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage.
Message Edited by steveatk on 10-21-2006 05:56 PM

Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!!

Syrius

Woah, you might want to reduce your sugar intake or something

I didn't say anything about Guardians being much better. Just trying to give a short but unbiased opinion for the OP as you were pushing the idea that Zerkers are the best under all circumstances which isn't true.

Thats your opinion, I disagree, I have never been in a situation in 70 levels and 50 APs that I had wished I was a guardian...well that only covers my time on Venekor, since the release of KoS...lets go further back, since Syrius is my 3rd Berserker now...I have never been in a situation, since Launch of EQ2, Novermber of 2004, where I had wished any of my berserkers were guardians...

I, however, can't count on two hands, using all my fingers, how many conversations I have had with guardians that wished they were berserkers....but its not important...

The situation is, the OP asked if Berserkers were suitable Tanks, and I said we are the best tanks in the game...under any circumstance....and that is my opinion, and I believe its true...

3 berserkers since Launch, one in Qeynos, AB...One in FP, AB...and now Syrius in Qeynos, Venekor...

Syrius Silverblade

70/50 Berserker

70 Provisioner

Venekor Server

Ease up friend.

Am i a beserker MT and berserkers are very potent. But it mostly comes down to gear and skill. Put a guard next to a zerker with the same skill and gear and they both will be very good tanks. A guardian has a small defensive edge. It's small but it is there so on encounters where there is HUGE spikedamage that is hardly survivable for a MT the guardian will have the edge. Same goes for aggro on orange mobs.

Aggrowise zerkers will rule anything that's not orange and also can tank everything in game.

Warriors are very well balanced and both warriors can function very well as MT. The best mix is to have two very good equiped warriors. One guardian and one zerker and sometimes you'll prefer the guard and sometimes you'll prefer the zerker.

10-21-2006, 10:06 PM	#4
Conjourer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sarasota Florida Posts: 131	Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition... Syrius Silverblade 70/50 Berserker Venekor Server __________________

10-22-2006, 04:56 AM	#5
steveatk Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	Conjourer wrote: Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition... Syrius Silverblade 70/50 Berserker Venekor Server If you say soBoth Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage. Message Edited by steveatk on 10-21-2006 05:56 PM __________________ Takauri - 90 Guardian - Guild Leader & Main Tank Aerin - 90 Illusionist Amberle - 90 Warden

10-22-2006, 04:12 PM	#6
Conjourer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sarasota Florida Posts: 131	steveatk wrote: Conjourer wrote: Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition... Syrius Silverblade 70/50 Berserker Venekor Server If you say so Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage. Message Edited by steveatk on 10-21-2006 05:56 PM Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!! Syrius __________________

10-23-2006, 05:05 PM	#7
Ep General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 435	tos every 3min ftw?i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools? __________________ --- Sir Auron

10-23-2006, 05:46 PM	#8
steveatk Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	Conjourer wrote: steveatk wrote: Conjourer wrote: Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition... Syrius Silverblade 70/50 Berserker Venekor Server If you say so Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage. Message Edited by steveatk on 10-21-2006 05:56 PM Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!! Syrius Woah, you might want to reduce your sugar intake or something I didn't say anything about Guardians being much better. Just trying to give a short but unbiased opinion for the OP as you were pushing the idea that Zerkers are the best under all circumstances which isn't true. __________________ Takauri - 90 Guardian - Guild Leader & Main Tank Aerin - 90 Illusionist Amberle - 90 Warden

10-21-2006, 02:47 AM	#1
Thunnda General Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 21	I am trying to choose between rolling a Berserker or a Guardian. What I would like to know is if the Berserker, decently equipped in Mastercrafted, can tank in most situations? I don't expect to lead a Epix x 4 instance, but I would like to be able to tank in HoF, SoS, PoA, ect. Our guild doesn't have a Beserker, and I thought it would be fun instead of rolling a boring old Guardian. Any input is appreciated. Thanks

10-21-2006, 07:46 AM	#2
RDBIII Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	Yes a zerk is a great tank! And you can lead a x4 raid as a zerk. Mit is king and the mit a zerk and guard can get are the almost exaclty the same. We have a 70 zerk that leads our raids on x4 mobs and has no problem with damage or aggro. Adonis 69 Zerk

10-21-2006, 05:38 PM	#3
Sonaht Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 39	My husband and I play a zerker/templar duo and find that we can go anywhere under any conditions, no matter if it's a raid or just us two. His zerker rocks at all levels since he is very flexible. On raids he can sub in as MT easily and do a fine job. However, he's best standing in the midst of insane chaos casting his AOE taunt and taking on the world. BTW, if you can find a Templar to go with, having a plate-wearing healer stunning and swinging a big hammer beside you works really well in a duo. Between the two of us I think we can cycle through something like 10 different stun type attacks. We got a nasty yellow ^^^ ravasect add on our group of 4 and kept that sucker standing dazed with birdies around his head for the entire fight.... then had another add of the same and lived to tell the tale. Message Edited by Sonaht on 10-21-2006 06:42 AM

10-23-2006, 06:19 PM	#9
Conjourer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sarasota Florida Posts: 131	steveatk wrote: Conjourer wrote: steveatk wrote: Conjourer wrote: Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition... Syrius Silverblade 70/50 Berserker Venekor Server If you say so Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage. Message Edited by steveatk on 10-21-2006 05:56 PM Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!! Syrius Woah, you might want to reduce your sugar intake or something I didn't say anything about Guardians being much better. Just trying to give a short but unbiased opinion for the OP as you were pushing the idea that Zerkers are the best under all circumstances which isn't true. Thats your opinion, I disagree, I have never been in a situation in 70 levels and 50 APs that I had wished I was a guardian...well that only covers my time on Venekor, since the release of KoS...lets go further back, since Syrius is my 3rd Berserker now...I have never been in a situation, since Launch of EQ2, Novermber of 2004, where I had wished any of my berserkers were guardians... I, however, can't count on two hands, using all my fingers, how many conversations I have had with guardians that wished they were berserkers....but its not important... The situation is, the OP asked if Berserkers were suitable Tanks, and I said we are the best tanks in the game...under any circumstance....and that is my opinion, and I believe its true... 3 berserkers since Launch, one in Qeynos, AB...One in FP, AB...and now Syrius in Qeynos, Venekor... Syrius Silverblade 70/50 Berserker 70 Provisioner Venekor Server __________________

10-24-2006, 08:40 AM	#10
SirPrec!ze Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 7	There is no advantage a guardian has over a zerk, I have tanked every encounter in the game just fine(still working on matron). Our tanking abilities are just as good as guards and we hold aggro much better than them. There is a reason they have 2 rescues and ToS pffft wouldnt trade all my zerk ahs to offer just for that its not that great. __________________ Mateo--->80 Zerk Saints of Norrath

10-24-2006, 04:10 PM	#11
Bravesinger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 33	Guardians ARE better at tanking orange epicx4. No doubt about that. An extra 1k hp helps them alot, and add to that extra defense. So berserkers are good at tanking yellow encounters with alot of adds, and guardians are best at tanking orange encounters...

10-24-2006, 08:28 PM	#12
Taeolen Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 156	My zerker is an awesome tank. Have been told that in many situations in groups I've joined. Always getting tells to be the MT for people. __________________ Yes, I'm probably mostly joking.

10-24-2006, 08:35 PM	#13
DarkMirrax Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,238	Bravesinger wrote: Guardians ARE better at tanking orange epicx4. No doubt about that. An extra 1k hp helps them alot, and add to that extra defense. So berserkers are good at tanking yellow encounters with alot of adds, and guardians are best at tanking orange encounters... QFE - zerkers take the blinkers off and trust me bravesword is one of the best tanks in EQ2 and I don't even like his guild :smileyvery-happy: __________________ Q - Named and epics get + to hit which makes avoidance tanking suck. A- Yes they do, and yes it does =========================== Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard Game Designer, EverQuest II ... Whats Amazing Reflexes ?? ....... ===========================

10-24-2006, 08:51 PM	#14
Taeolen Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 156	Epyx wrote: tos every 3min ftw? i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools? I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that? I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin. Did I miss something? Message Edited by Taeolen on 10-24-2006 12:53 PM __________________ Yes, I'm probably mostly joking.

10-24-2006, 09:36 PM	#15
YummiOger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: School of Hard Knocks Posts: 437	Zerker is an Exellent tank. They can do it all, Solo, group and Raid tank. I prefer the Chaotic Fighter type so Zerk is 100% me :smileyvery-happy:. Guardian and Zerker are so balanced Vs each other that 1 > other is not even a disscussion for me. __________________ Smashin' noobs sense 2004, Yaahh Yuuhh!!

10-26-2006, 09:37 PM	#16
Thunnda General Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 21	Thank you for the info. My little zerker is 13, and looking forward to being twinked every 10 levels

10-27-2006, 02:52 AM	#17
SolanariEQ Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7	Is this the same Thundarrx from ?

10-27-2006, 12:00 PM	#18
Wargurine Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 152	Taeolen wrote: Epyx wrote:tos every 3min ftw?i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools? I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that? I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin. Did I miss something? Message Edited by Taeolen on 10-24-2006 12:53 PM Nope, if your a nuetral class, ie zerkers/guardian, wizard/warlock, dirge/troub, etc etc then you are not forced to change classes like a sk/pally would, however you do have the choice of changing class once you join your new city. __________________ Nafawo Ebonscaled 80 Assassin, Soulforged Bohow Long'Claw 80 Zerker, Soulforged

10-27-2006, 07:44 PM	#19
Taeolen Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 156	Wargurine wrote: Taeolen wrote: Epyx wrote: tos every 3min ftw? i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools? I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that? I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin. Did I miss something? Message Edited by Taeolen on 10-24-2006 12:53 PM Nope, if your a nuetral class, ie zerkers/guardian, wizard/warlock, dirge/troub, etc etc then you are not forced to change classes like a sk/pally would, however you do have the choice of changing class once you join your new city. Wow! Cool, I did not know that! Could you, say go from a neutral class to another neutral class like a Zerker to a Wizard? Can you go from from a neutral class to an aligned class like a Guardian to a Paladin? __________________ Yes, I'm probably mostly joking.

10-27-2006, 08:50 PM	#20
Conjourer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sarasota Florida Posts: 131	Taeolen wrote: Wargurine wrote: Taeolen wrote: Epyx wrote: tos every 3min ftw? i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools? I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that? I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin. Did I miss something? Message Edited by Taeolen on 10-24-2006 12:53 PM Nope, if your a nuetral class, ie zerkers/guardian, wizard/warlock, dirge/troub, etc etc then you are not forced to change classes like a sk/pally would, however you do have the choice of changing class once you join your new city. Wow! Cool, I did not know that! Could you, say go from a neutral class to another neutral class like a Zerker to a Wizard? Can you go from from a neutral class to an aligned class like a Guardian to a Paladin? No... You can only go from zerk to guardian, wiz to warlock, warden to fury, and vice versa... __________________

10-27-2006, 08:53 PM	#21
Taeolen Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 156	Ok, I got ya. You can only betray to your class' counterpart. __________________ Yes, I'm probably mostly joking.

10-30-2006, 03:03 PM	#22
zormik Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Splitpaw server Posts: 184	Conjourer wrote: steveatk wrote: Conjourer wrote: steveatk wrote: Conjourer wrote: Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition... Syrius Silverblade 70/50 Berserker Venekor Server If you say so Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage. Message Edited by steveatk on 10-21-2006 05:56 PM Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!! Syrius Woah, you might want to reduce your sugar intake or something I didn't say anything about Guardians being much better. Just trying to give a short but unbiased opinion for the OP as you were pushing the idea that Zerkers are the best under all circumstances which isn't true. Thats your opinion, I disagree, I have never been in a situation in 70 levels and 50 APs that I had wished I was a guardian...well that only covers my time on Venekor, since the release of KoS...lets go further back, since Syrius is my 3rd Berserker now...I have never been in a situation, since Launch of EQ2, Novermber of 2004, where I had wished any of my berserkers were guardians... I, however, can't count on two hands, using all my fingers, how many conversations I have had with guardians that wished they were berserkers....but its not important... The situation is, the OP asked if Berserkers were suitable Tanks, and I said we are the best tanks in the game...under any circumstance....and that is my opinion, and I believe its true... 3 berserkers since Launch, one in Qeynos, AB...One in FP, AB...and now Syrius in Qeynos, Venekor... Syrius Silverblade 70/50 Berserker 70 Provisioner Venekor Server Ease up friend. Am i a beserker MT and berserkers are very potent. But it mostly comes down to gear and skill. Put a guard next to a zerker with the same skill and gear and they both will be very good tanks. A guardian has a small defensive edge. It's small but it is there so on encounters where there is HUGE spikedamage that is hardly survivable for a MT the guardian will have the edge. Same goes for aggro on orange mobs. Aggrowise zerkers will rule anything that's not orange and also can tank everything in game. Warriors are very well balanced and both warriors can function very well as MT. The best mix is to have two very good equiped warriors. One guardian and one zerker and sometimes you'll prefer the guard and sometimes you'll prefer the zerker.