<DIV>I am trying to choose between rolling a Berserker or a Guardian.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What I would like to know is if the Berserker, decently equipped in Mastercrafted, can tank in most situations?  I don't expect to lead a Epix x 4 instance, but I would like to be able to tank in HoF, SoS, PoA, ect.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our guild doesn't have a Beserker, and I thought it would be fun instead of rolling a boring old Guardian.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any input is appreciated.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV>

<DIV>Yes a zerk is a great tank!  And you can lead a x4 raid as a zerk.  Mit is king and the mit a zerk and guard can get are the almost exaclty the same.  We have a 70 zerk that leads our raids on x4 mobs and has no problem with damage or aggro.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adonis</DIV> <DIV>69 Zerk</DIV>

<div></div>My husband and I play a zerker/templar duo and find that we can go anywhere under any conditions, no matter if it's a raid or just us two. His zerker rocks at all levels since he is very flexible.  On raids he can sub in as MT easily and do a fine job. However, he's best standing in the midst of insane chaos casting his AOE taunt and taking on the world. BTW, if you can find a Templar to go with, having a plate-wearing healer stunning and swinging a big hammer beside you works really well in a duo. Between the two of us I think we can cycle through something like 10 different stun type attacks. We got a nasty yellow ^^^ ravasect add on our group of 4 and kept that sucker standing dazed with birdies around his head for the entire fight.... then had another add of the same and lived to tell the tale.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Sonaht on <span class=date_text>10-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:42 AM</span>

<P>Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...</P> <P> </P> <P>Syrius Silverblade</P> <P>70/50 Berserker</P> <P>Venekor Server</P>

<blockquote><hr>Conjourer wrote:<P>Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...</P><P> </P><P>Syrius Silverblade</P><P>70/50 Berserker</P><P>Venekor Server</P><hr></blockquote>If you say soBoth Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage.<p>Message Edited by steveatk on <span class=date_text>10-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:56 PM</span>

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> steveatk wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Conjourer wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...</P><BR> <P> </P><BR> <P>Syrius Silverblade</P><BR> <P>70/50 Berserker</P><BR> <P>Venekor Server</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>If you say so<BR></FONT><BR>Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage. <P>Message Edited by steveatk on <SPAN class=date_text>10-21-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:56 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Syrius</DIV>

tos every 3min ftw?i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools? <div></div>

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Conjourer wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> steveatk wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Conjourer wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...</P><BR> <P> </P><BR> <P>Syrius Silverblade</P><BR> <P>70/50 Berserker</P><BR> <P>Venekor Server</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>If you say so<BR></FONT><BR>Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage. <P>Message Edited by steveatk on <SPAN class=date_text>10-21-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:56 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Syrius</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Woah, you might want to reduce your sugar intake or something <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I didn't say anything about Guardians being much better. Just trying to give a short but unbiased opinion for the OP as you were pushing the idea that Zerkers are the best under all circumstances which isn't true.</P> <P> </P>

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> steveatk wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Conjourer wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> steveatk wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Conjourer wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...</P><BR> <P> </P><BR> <P>Syrius Silverblade</P><BR> <P>70/50 Berserker</P><BR> <P>Venekor Server</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>If you say so<BR></FONT><BR>Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage. <P>Message Edited by steveatk on <SPAN class=date_text>10-21-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:56 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Syrius</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Woah, you might want to reduce your sugar intake or something <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I didn't say anything about Guardians being much better. Just trying to give a short but unbiased opinion for the OP as you were pushing the idea that <FONT color=#ffff00>Zerkers are the best under all circumstances which isn't true.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Thats your opinion, I disagree, I have never been in a situation in 70 levels and 50 APs that I had wished I was a guardian...well that only covers my time on Venekor, since the release of KoS...lets go further back, since Syrius is my 3rd Berserker now...I have never been in a situation, since Launch of EQ2, Novermber of 2004, where I had wished any of my berserkers were guardians...</P> <P>I, however, can't count on two hands, using all my fingers, how many conversations I have had with guardians that wished they were berserkers....but its not important...</P> <P>The situation is, the OP asked if Berserkers were suitable Tanks, and I said we are the best tanks in the game...under any circumstance....and that is my opinion, and I believe its true...</P> <P>3 berserkers since Launch, one in Qeynos, AB...One in FP, AB...and now Syrius in Qeynos, Venekor...</P> <P> </P> <P>Syrius Silverblade</P> <P>70/50 Berserker</P> <P>70 Provisioner</P> <P>Venekor Server<BR></P>

<DIV>There is no advantage a guardian has over a zerk, I have tanked every encounter in the game just fine(still working on matron). Our tanking abilities are just as good as guards and we hold aggro much better than them. There is  a reason they have 2 rescues and ToS pffft wouldnt trade all my zerk ahs to offer just for that its not that great.</DIV>

Guardians ARE better at tanking orange epicx4. No doubt about that. An extra 1k hp helps them alot, and add to that extra defense. So berserkers are good at tanking yellow encounters with alot of adds, and guardians are best at tanking orange encounters...

My zerker is an awesome tank.  Have been told that in many situations in groups I've joined.  Always getting tells to be the MT for people. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bravesinger wrote:<BR>Guardians ARE better at tanking orange epicx4. No doubt about that. An extra 1k hp helps them alot, and add to that extra defense. So berserkers are good at tanking yellow encounters with alot of adds, and guardians are best at tanking orange encounters...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>QFE - zerkers take the blinkers off <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>and trust me bravesword is one of the best tanks in EQ2 and I don't even like his guild :smileyvery-happy:</P>

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Epyx wrote:<BR>tos every 3min ftw?<BR><BR><STRONG>i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard</STRONG>(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools? <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that?  I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin.</P> <P>Did I miss something?</P><p>Message Edited by Taeolen on <span class=date_text>10-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:53 PM</span>

<DIV>Zerker is an Exellent tank. They can do it all, Solo, group and Raid tank.  I prefer the Chaotic Fighter type so Zerk is 100% me :smileyvery-happy:.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardian and Zerker are so balanced Vs each other that 1 > other is not even a disscussion for me. </DIV>

<DIV>Thank you for the info.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My little zerker is 13, and looking forward to being twinked every 10 levels <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Is this the same Thundarrx from <Crusaders Valorous> ? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

<div><blockquote><hr>Taeolen wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Epyx wrote:tos every 3min ftw?<strong>i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard</strong>(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools? <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that?  I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin.</p> <p>Did I miss something?</p><p>Message Edited by Taeolen on <span class="date_text">10-24-2006</span> <span class="time_text">12:53 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Nope, if your a nuetral class, ie zerkers/guardian, wizard/warlock, dirge/troub, etc etc then you are not forced to change classes like a sk/pally would, however you do have the choice of changing class once you join your new city.</div>

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wargurine wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Taeolen wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Epyx wrote:<BR>tos every 3min ftw?<BR><BR><STRONG>i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard</STRONG>(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools? <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that?  I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin.</P> <P>Did I miss something?</P> <P>Message Edited by Taeolen on <SPAN class=date_text>10-24-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:53 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nope, if your a nuetral class, ie zerkers/guardian, wizard/warlock, dirge/troub, etc etc then you are not forced to change classes like a sk/pally would, however you do have the choice of changing class once you join your new city.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Wow!  Cool, I did not know that!  Could you, say go from a neutral class to another neutral class like a Zerker to a Wizard?  Can you go from from a neutral class to an aligned class like a Guardian to a Paladin?<BR></P>

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Taeolen wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wargurine wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Taeolen wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Epyx wrote:<BR>tos every 3min ftw?<BR><BR><STRONG>i myself have been contemplating betraying to a guard</STRONG>(fully mastered zerker, barely worth it), only b/c we lack a guard(and i still mt everything) and quite honestly 2 rescues is pretty useful. But "best" ? naw. + extra tools? <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I am just wondering how do you plan on doing that?  I thought you only switched classes in the betrayal quest if you were switching cities and was a good or evil class then your class switched ie. Shadowknight to a Paladin.</P> <P>Did I miss something?</P> <P>Message Edited by Taeolen on <SPAN class=date_text>10-24-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:53 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nope, if your a nuetral class, ie zerkers/guardian, wizard/warlock, dirge/troub, etc etc then you are not forced to change classes like a sk/pally would, however you do have the choice of changing class once you join your new city.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Wow!  Cool, I did not know that!  <FONT color=#ffcc00>Could you, say go from a neutral class to another neutral class like a Zerker to a Wizard?  Can you go from from a neutral class to an aligned class like a Guardian to a Paladin?<BR></FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>No...</P> <P>You can only go from zerk to guardian, wiz to warlock, warden to fury, and vice versa...</P> <P> </P>

Ok, I got ya.  You can only betray to your class' counterpart.

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Conjourer wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> steveatk wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Conjourer wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> steveatk wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Conjourer wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Zerks are best tanks in the game, hands down...don't believe the hype about Guardians, they are as good perhaps, but no tank is better than a zerk...under any condition...</P><BR> <P> </P><BR> <P>Syrius Silverblade</P><BR> <P>70/50 Berserker</P><BR> <P>Venekor Server</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>If you say so<BR></FONT><BR>Both Warriors can tank everything in the game. Zerkers are prefered for xping as they help the group kill faster and Guardians are favoured on the real nasty encounters as they have extra tools for dealing with reducing incoming damage. <P>Message Edited by steveatk on <SPAN class=date_text>10-21-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:56 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well, these are our boards...if you want a pitch on how much better guardians are, go to their boards...Zerkers are the best!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Syrius</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Woah, you might want to reduce your sugar intake or something <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I didn't say anything about Guardians being much better. Just trying to give a short but unbiased opinion for the OP as you were pushing the idea that <FONT color=#ffff00>Zerkers are the best under all circumstances which isn't true.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Thats your opinion, I disagree, I have never been in a situation in 70 levels and 50 APs that I had wished I was a guardian...well that only covers my time on Venekor, since the release of KoS...lets go further back, since Syrius is my 3rd Berserker now...I have never been in a situation, since Launch of EQ2, Novermber of 2004, where I had wished any of my berserkers were guardians...</P> <P>I, however, can't count on two hands, using all my fingers, how many conversations I have had with guardians that wished they were berserkers....but its not important...</P> <P>The situation is, the OP asked if Berserkers were suitable Tanks, and I said we are the best tanks in the game...under any circumstance....and that is my opinion, and I believe its true...</P> <P>3 berserkers since Launch, one in Qeynos, AB...One in FP, AB...and now Syrius in Qeynos, Venekor...</P> <P> </P> <P>Syrius Silverblade</P> <P>70/50 Berserker</P> <P>70 Provisioner</P> <P>Venekor Server<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Ease up friend.</P> <P>Am i a beserker MT and berserkers are very potent.  But it mostly comes down to gear and skill.  Put a guard next to a zerker with the same skill and gear and they both will be very good tanks.  A guardian has a small defensive edge.  It's small but it is there so on encounters where there is HUGE spikedamage that is hardly survivable for a MT the guardian will have the edge.  Same goes for aggro on orange mobs.</P> <P>Aggrowise zerkers will rule anything that's not orange and also can tank everything in game.</P> <P>Warriors are very well balanced and both warriors can function very well as MT.  The best mix is to have two very good equiped warriors.  One guardian and one zerker and sometimes you'll prefer the guard and sometimes you'll prefer the zerker.</P>