Scouts... balance? - Page 7

Veeman · 11-05-2014, 11:51 PM

Screwed? No we aren't, what we are continuing to do is fall back further behind other T1 dpsers. We aren't even T1 anymore. So we are now really T2 dps, no group/raid buffs, and every time they do something to the class it ends up being bad for us. Screwed? no, becoming useless in a raid, yes. Why have a Ranger when you can have an additional Warlock or Wizard in their place and get a lot more at of that raid spot? Back to the closet mine goes, not even going to argue and fight with SoE over it this time. Lost that argument years ago, won't win this one either. No use even fighting the battle and being banned multiple times again, I'll just move on to a different class.

Laserbeak · 11-06-2014, 12:07 AM

Why you say...? Rangers auto attack was beating our mages....like JUST AUTO ATTACK in beta. was beating warlocks and wizards who play at a high level.. Id be more concerned about getting rangers auto attack and Assassin hemotoxin under control lol. Trust me predators will have their spots.. I mean it was enough to make some mages rage out of Beta...and mages id consider to be pretty good at the class....Were just getting rick rolled on the parse lol.. granted with knowledge of the fights could parses go up for mages.. yes.. but not to predator levels. thats for sure...Im sure they'll make fixes... its just shocking we're this close to the release and things are this unbalanced.. but hey.. the squeaky wheel gets the oil! example: focused casting Smile

Bloodguts · 11-06-2014, 12:10 AM

Rangers are beating everyone on the parse right now. If you don't see this either you're not playing your ranger correctly or you're not gearing him correctly.

Nezette · 11-06-2014, 12:14 AM

BTW: just throwing this out there... I have a new sig!

Passive dps is totes fine when it's holding folks back... and totes not fine when it's lolsy trolling the parse. I have this correct, right?

I mean, it's obvi a problem... just like it's a problem on live. Wink

Bloodguts · 11-06-2014, 12:20 AM

You should make a comic with my ranger doing auto attacks, nezette.

Nezette · 11-06-2014, 12:29 AM

I know... I can't get to them until tomorrow afternoon... unless I get to afk auto again tonight (which I would gladly do without complaint because Gninjafriend allowed me to troll our mages by requesting their debuffs! The <3 is real, friends.)

Veeman · 11-06-2014, 12:54 AM

Laserbeak said: ↑

“Why you say...? Rangers auto attack was beating our mages....like JUST AUTO ATTACK in beta. was beating warlocks and wizards who play at a high level.. Id be more concerned about getting rangers auto attack and Assassin hemotoxin under control lol. Trust me predators will have their spots.. I mean it was enough to make some mages rage out of Beta...and mages id consider to be pretty good at the class....Were just getting rick rolled on the parse lol.. granted with knowledge of the fights could parses go up for mages.. yes.. but not to predator levels. thats for sure...Im sure they'll make fixes... its just shocking we're this close to the release and things are this unbalanced.. but hey.. the squeaky wheel gets the oil! example: focused casting ”

Ok, I'll hold off judgement until I get into the expansion as released then decide.

Neiloch · 11-06-2014, 12:59 AM

As it is things need to be balanced and shifted around, but rangers aren't in danger of becoming useless/obsolete.

Darkon · 11-06-2014, 02:33 AM

Passive vs active just needs to be looked at.

Bloodguts · 11-06-2014, 02:59 AM

If mages are parsing like they are right now, then buffing up CAs and leaving passives as is might be the best choice. From the looks of it mages are still gonna wreck on parses because the amount of Potency/AbMod/CritBonus they get from all this gear is just increasing their parse substantially while they still do about 1.5-2.0 mil dps on their Auto-Wand

Nezette · 11-06-2014, 06:04 AM

Someone wanted to play...

Katanallama · 11-06-2014, 06:15 AM

Do you take commissions? :3

Endymion · 11-06-2014, 06:22 AM

You have my guarantee that if any of our devs say trololol in real life, bad things will happen.

Nezette · 11-06-2014, 06:27 AM

Kat, BFFfriend, I will work on yours next... *pinkie swear*

I was going to work on it earlier... but... like, Gninja was on fire tonight and... yeah.

#TeamB4LyfeYOLOswag

Nezette · 11-06-2014, 06:31 AM

I mean... it was pretty fantastical...

Hamorm · 11-06-2014, 08:42 AM

Haha hemo with 6 mil avg hit and 15mil max ... So strong

Bloodguts · 11-06-2014, 01:45 PM

The cause of all our misery.

Feldon · 11-06-2014, 01:48 PM

"Do you even raid bro?"
me: "Not since TSO. /sadpanda"

That was hilarious though. We're all like "This fight is so Nexona. OMG we have to dps so slowly." Gninja spawns as Nexona. Mob says "wtf?" and kills us all.

Mogrim · 11-06-2014, 06:44 PM

Frankly, any time one has the opportunity to test w/ Gninja... it is just always amazing and downright fun. Guy is putting out some pretty great content, and is very responsive to feedback and suggestions.

Nezette · 11-06-2014, 07:30 PM

Fixed that for you!

Because... idk about you, but listening to Darkonx telling us that we were doing the fight as intended... templar hammer dps is too strong... Maergoth adding "This fight isn't very engaging...", Holgo running around chasing butterflies... Everyone saying "we must be missing something" while Darkonx is standing strong that we're good... Gninja lolsing in /shout with, "It's been 15 minutes and you're at 80%... pugs killed this in 7... You might be a bad... oh... oops, I deleted your bolster buff package..."

I'm fairly certain Nexona spawning and wiping the raid was simply just the icing on the cake!

Nezette · 11-06-2014, 09:44 PM

Katanallama · 11-06-2014, 09:49 PM

Got bunnies at least, nothing else matters!

Nezette · 11-06-2014, 10:13 PM

I was trying to kill off groups 2 and 3... But then I got called out... so I started having fun killing and rezzing and killing and rezzing and killing Feldon...

Genghes · 11-06-2014, 10:22 PM

Try dropping a member bot during a name fight

Mrmacky · 11-06-2014, 10:32 PM

When in doubt, Member bot out

Endymion · 11-06-2014, 11:37 PM

The word "friend" has lost all meaning to me after this thread/these comics. Thank goodness beta ends soon.

Nezette · 11-07-2014, 12:12 AM

Really? Hmmm... It lost all meaning to me ca. 2005 with Facebook... *shrug*

If it helps, "friend" actually refers to a friend or someone you could feasibly see yourself friends with... UNLESS paired with the word "mage," in which case the overwhelmingly negative connotation of "mage" trounces all over any goodness "friend" could bring to the table.

Also, if "friend" comes first, i.e. FriendNezette or Friendrat, it basically means you're Bffs. (I probably should revise Kat's to list him as Friendkat... truth be told!)

Buffrat · 11-07-2014, 12:20 AM

Does it though?

Endymion · 11-07-2014, 01:16 AM

This... doesn't make me feel any better.

NadikOne · 11-07-2014, 01:17 AM

Come on friendymion

11-05-2014, 11:51 PM	#181
Veeman Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Errrorr said: ↑ “Lol what. Ranger are hardly screwed over this expansion.” Screwed? No we aren't, what we are continuing to do is fall back further behind other T1 dpsers. We aren't even T1 anymore. So we are now really T2 dps, no group/raid buffs, and every time they do something to the class it ends up being bad for us. Screwed? no, becoming useless in a raid, yes. Why have a Ranger when you can have an additional Warlock or Wizard in their place and get a lot more at of that raid spot? Back to the closet mine goes, not even going to argue and fight with SoE over it this time. Lost that argument years ago, won't win this one either. No use even fighting the battle and being banned multiple times again, I'll just move on to a different class.

11-06-2014, 12:07 AM	#182
Laserbeak Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Veeman said: ↑ “Screwed? No we aren't, what we are continuing to do is fall back further behind other T1 dpsers. We aren't even T1 anymore. So we are now really T2 dps, no group/raid buffs, and every time they do something to the class it ends up being bad for us. Screwed? no, becoming useless in a raid, yes. Why have a Ranger when you can have an additional Warlock or Wizard in their place and get a lot more at of that raid spot? Back to the closet mine goes, not even going to argue and fight with SoE over it this time. Lost that argument years ago, won't win this one either. No use even fighting the battle and being banned multiple times again, I'll just move on to a different class.” Why you say...? Rangers auto attack was beating our mages....like JUST AUTO ATTACK in beta. was beating warlocks and wizards who play at a high level.. Id be more concerned about getting rangers auto attack and Assassin hemotoxin under control lol. Trust me predators will have their spots.. I mean it was enough to make some mages rage out of Beta...and mages id consider to be pretty good at the class....Were just getting rick rolled on the parse lol.. granted with knowledge of the fights could parses go up for mages.. yes.. but not to predator levels. thats for sure...Im sure they'll make fixes... its just shocking we're this close to the release and things are this unbalanced.. but hey.. the squeaky wheel gets the oil! example: focused casting

11-06-2014, 12:10 AM	#183
Bloodguts Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2	Veeman said: ↑ “Screwed? No we aren't, what we are continuing to do is fall back further behind other T1 dpsers. We aren't even T1 anymore. So we are now really T2 dps, no group/raid buffs, and every time they do something to the class it ends up being bad for us. Screwed? no, becoming useless in a raid, yes. Why have a Ranger when you can have an additional Warlock or Wizard in their place and get a lot more at of that raid spot? Back to the closet mine goes, not even going to argue and fight with SoE over it this time. Lost that argument years ago, won't win this one either. No use even fighting the battle and being banned multiple times again, I'll just move on to a different class.” Rangers are beating everyone on the parse right now. If you don't see this either you're not playing your ranger correctly or you're not gearing him correctly.

11-06-2014, 12:54 AM	#187
Veeman Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Laserbeak said: ↑ “Why you say...? Rangers auto attack was beating our mages....like JUST AUTO ATTACK in beta. was beating warlocks and wizards who play at a high level.. Id be more concerned about getting rangers auto attack and Assassin hemotoxin under control lol. Trust me predators will have their spots.. I mean it was enough to make some mages rage out of Beta...and mages id consider to be pretty good at the class....Were just getting rick rolled on the parse lol.. granted with knowledge of the fights could parses go up for mages.. yes.. but not to predator levels. thats for sure...Im sure they'll make fixes... its just shocking we're this close to the release and things are this unbalanced.. but hey.. the squeaky wheel gets the oil! example: focused casting ” Ok, I'll hold off judgement until I get into the expansion as released then decide.

11-06-2014, 02:59 AM	#190
Bloodguts Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2	Darkon said: ↑ “Passive vs active just needs to be looked at.” If mages are parsing like they are right now, then buffing up CAs and leaving passives as is might be the best choice. From the looks of it mages are still gonna wreck on parses because the amount of Potency/AbMod/CritBonus they get from all this gear is just increasing their parse substantially while they still do about 1.5-2.0 mil dps on their Auto-Wand

11-06-2014, 12:14 AM	#184
Nezette Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	BTW: just throwing this out there... I have a new sig! Passive dps is totes fine when it's holding folks back... and totes not fine when it's lolsy trolling the parse. I have this correct, right? I mean, it's obvi a problem... just like it's a problem on live.

11-06-2014, 12:20 AM	#185
Bloodguts Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2	You should make a comic with my ranger doing auto attacks, nezette.

11-06-2014, 12:29 AM	#186
Nezette Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	I know... I can't get to them until tomorrow afternoon... unless I get to afk auto again tonight (which I would gladly do without complaint because Gninjafriend allowed me to troll our mages by requesting their debuffs! The <3 is real, friends.)

11-06-2014, 12:59 AM	#188
Neiloch Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	As it is things need to be balanced and shifted around, but rangers aren't in danger of becoming useless/obsolete.

11-06-2014, 02:33 AM	#189
Darkon Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Passive vs active just needs to be looked at.

11-06-2014, 06:04 AM	#191
Nezette Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Someone wanted to play...

11-06-2014, 06:15 AM	#192
Katanallama Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Do you take commissions? :3

11-06-2014, 06:22 AM	#193
Endymion Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	You have my guarantee that if any of our devs say trololol in real life, bad things will happen.

11-06-2014, 06:27 AM	#194
Nezette Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Kat, BFFfriend, I will work on yours next... pinkie swear I was going to work on it earlier... but... like, Gninja was on fire tonight and... yeah. #TeamB4LyfeYOLOswag

11-06-2014, 06:31 AM	#195
Nezette Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Endymion said: ↑ “You have my guarantee that if any of our devs say trololol in real life, bad things will happen.” I mean... it was pretty fantastical...

11-06-2014, 08:42 AM	#196
Hamorm New Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Haha hemo with 6 mil avg hit and 15mil max ... So strong

11-06-2014, 01:45 PM	#197
Bloodguts Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2	Nezette said: ↑ “ Someone wanted to play...” The cause of all our misery.

11-06-2014, 01:48 PM	#198
Feldon Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	"Do you even raid bro?" me: "Not since TSO. /sadpanda" That was hilarious though. We're all like "This fight is so Nexona. OMG we have to dps so slowly." Gninja spawns as Nexona. Mob says "wtf?" and kills us all.

11-06-2014, 06:44 PM	#199
Mogrim Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 1	Frankly, any time one has the opportunity to test w/ Gninja... it is just always amazing and downright fun. Guy is putting out some pretty great content, and is *very* responsive to feedback and suggestions.

11-06-2014, 07:30 PM	#200
Nezette Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Bloodguts said: ↑ “ The cause fitting conclusion of all our misery case of the giggles.” Fixed that for you! Because... idk about you, but listening to Darkonx telling us that we were doing the fight as intended... templar hammer dps is too strong... Maergoth adding "This fight isn't very engaging...", Holgo running around chasing butterflies... Everyone saying "we must be missing something" while Darkonx is standing strong that we're good... Gninja lolsing in /shout with, "It's been 15 minutes and you're at 80%... pugs killed this in 7... You might be a bad... oh... oops, I deleted your bolster buff package..." I'm fairly certain Nexona spawning and wiping the raid was simply just the icing on the cake!

11-06-2014, 09:44 PM	#201
Nezette Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0

11-06-2014, 09:49 PM	#202
Katanallama Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Got bunnies at least, nothing else matters!

11-06-2014, 10:13 PM	#203
Nezette Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Laserbeak said: ↑ “Nez, LoL comic so good. and that was hilarious when gninja did that..I was dying. We were like "no its Nexona, no gninja!" wipe lol..good times. I was honestly mostly afk that fight.. using wand. then turn wand off cuz wand too strong! hahah” I was trying to kill off groups 2 and 3... But then I got called out... so I started having fun killing and rezzing and killing and rezzing and killing Feldon...

11-06-2014, 10:22 PM	#204
Genghes Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Nezette said: ↑ “I was trying to kill off groups 2 and 3... But then I got called out... so I started having fun killing and rezzing and killing and rezzing and killing Feldon...” Try dropping a member bot during a name fight

11-06-2014, 10:32 PM	#205
Mrmacky New Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	When in doubt, Member bot out

11-06-2014, 11:37 PM	#206
Endymion Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	The word "friend" has lost all meaning to me after this thread/these comics. Thank goodness beta ends soon.

11-07-2014, 12:12 AM	#207
Nezette Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Endymion said: ↑ “The word "friend" has lost all meaning to me after this thread/these comics. Thank goodness beta ends soon.” Really? Hmmm... It lost all meaning to me ca. 2005 with Facebook... shrug If it helps, "friend" actually refers to a friend or someone you could feasibly see yourself friends with... UNLESS paired with the word "mage," in which case the overwhelmingly negative connotation of "mage" trounces all over any goodness "friend" could bring to the table. Also, if "friend" comes first, i.e. FriendNezette or Friendrat, it basically means you're Bffs. (I probably should revise Kat's to list him as Friendkat... truth be told!)

11-07-2014, 12:20 AM	#208
Buffrat Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Endymion said: ↑ “The word "friend" has lost all meaning to me after this thread/these comics. Thank goodness beta ends soon.” Does it though?

11-07-2014, 01:16 AM	#209
Endymion Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Nezette said: ↑ “If it helps, "friend" actually refers to a friend or someone you could feasibly see yourself friends with... UNLESS paired with the word "mage," in which case the overwhelmingly negative connotation of "mage" trounces all over any goodness "friend" could bring to the table. Also, if "friend" comes first, i.e. FriendNezette or Friendrat, it basically means you're Bffs. (I probably should revise Kat's to list him as Friendkat... truth be told!)” This... doesn't make me feel any better.

11-07-2014, 01:17 AM	#210
NadikOne New Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Come on friendymion