Hackers, cheaters and Afk-vote greifers! oh my!

[cdogw1983]

Horknut@Nagafen wrote:

I think its clear from your posts that the right choice was made.

I'd advise you to work quicker from now on.

Seriously though, your childish bellyaching aside, if people can be voted AFK after less than a minute of joining a match, they should look into fixing that.

lol clear to who? to you sure, but thats because your an idiot. What do you expect people to do to meet your DPS demands upon entering a match? Attack someone while the load screen is up? You voted me afk in the first 10 seconds of joining the match. Yes they should fix it. Also stop being a griefing tool and voting people afk when the game has barely began and the score is still low.

[BMonkeeus]

The QQ is strong in this one, two, three...

[Hawkewind]

Man, this thread is great entertainment......I quoted it 3 different times in emails to my friends. Please, continue.....

[Prestissimo]

Taldier@Venekor wrote:

MoiraesFate wrote:

Welcome to the wonderful nature of PvP. It exists solely to aggravate and make children feel strong while they behave badly.

Just a hint.. don't PvP. It saves alot of headache. 

Just a hint.. dont defame other players for their choice of ruleset.  It will let you sound less like a pretentious ******.

Love the people who hate on players from pvp servers when they have people like you on theirs.

We know it pushes your buttons so easily. We do it for our daily dose of drama since we don't have the vastly available QQ like the pvp servers have at the touch of their fingers.

Really though in all seriousness and joking aside, I just want to point out the irony that you're flickin crap without any real value towards the conversation's progression and even more deliciously ironic yet at someone that was being grief afk voted for being abrasive and confrontational. A large portion of your time on the forums you are abrasive, inflamitory, and confrontational with anyone that poses an opinion different than yours and you get even more upset when they sling a dose of your own medicine right back at you. I've seen many well thought out posts that you imediately start bashing on without the courtesy of being objective and without provoking and you end up sounding "like a pretentious ******." Pot and kettle much?

Honestly, the way the system is in place, there really is little else that can be put into place to avoid misflagging afk'ers. If it's not waiting at least a minute after you personally zone in, it sounds like the bug is that someone got sloppy/lazy on their coding and put a general afk voting enabled after game time duration >= 1 minute instead of afk voting on player x enabled >= 1 minute after player x joins the game. You know, I believe I even feedbacked that same exact previous context more than once after getting voted afk 2 seconds after joining the match while still in my loading screen. Funny how legitimate feedbacks get trashed.

[Harbringer Doom]

Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:

Horknut@Nagafen wrote:

I think its clear from your posts that the right choice was made.

I'd advise you to work quicker from now on.

Seriously though, your childish bellyaching aside, if people can be voted AFK after less than a minute of joining a match, they should look into fixing that.

He's got a point.  It was kind of a  move to do what you did....  He said he just got in zone.  It's obvious you voted him afk to grief his 'smart mouth' after he replied in chat.

He starting smart mouthing after I voted him. 

It really shouldnt allow votes to count against people who arrived in the last minute or so, but I'll keep voting those that appear to be useless leeches.

[cdogw1983]

Horknut@Nagafen wrote:

Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:

Horknut@Nagafen wrote:

I think its clear from your posts that the right choice was made.

I'd advise you to work quicker from now on.

Seriously though, your childish bellyaching aside, if people can be voted AFK after less than a minute of joining a match, they should look into fixing that.

He's got a point.  It was kind of a  move to do what you did....  He said he just got in zone.  It's obvious you voted him afk to grief his 'smart mouth' after he replied in chat.

He starting smart mouthing after I voted him. 

It really shouldnt allow votes to count against people who arrived in the last minute or so, but I'll keep voting those that appear to be useless leeches.

Oh my bad. Once you said, "i dont care get to work," after i told you i just zoned in so why did you vote me afk, was i supposed to respond, "omg im so sorry massa, please please dont have yer friends vote afk ban me massa ill be gud massa?" Do you pay my sub? Are you my boss? Maybe you are a Paris Island Drill Instructor in RL and are accustomed to others taking your orders?

I couldnt care less what some kid on a power trip in BG tells me to do. I see plenty of other people in BG not playing how i want them to but unless they are actually AFK (which i obviously was not and you knew i was not) im not gonna greif them and afk vote em.

Funny how when i zoned back into the match a second time your lil team of mouthbreathers again tried to afk vote me too. Yep you guys are real BG heroes congrats.

[Harbringer Doom]

You ever wonder if you're taking things a little too personally?

[HerbertWalker]

I am one of those Nagafen 'hackers' that the OP speaks of.   Unkillable wizard who kills everyone repeatedly in the BGs.

Truth is, Ombadu is a very old PVP character (4-5 years?  more?  i dont remember), built specifically to dominate on Nagafen.    Ombadu has been my main all this time, and I play often.   181AA atm.   This wizard is a beast battemage/spellshifter and shield specced, and ward specced, and damage specced.   Put this character, and me controlling him, against ordinary blue server players, and it really is sick in those BGs, I admit.    I really do some sick killing.   And I run faster than most everyone too.

However, I contend that it is your own doing.   You did not create a character who could dominate solo on Nagafen, as I have.   I run solo on Nagafen, laying paths of destruction, so yeah, your character is total crud in comparison.

So why am I the cheater now?   Cuz you stink?

[BMonkeeus]

The epeens in here are certainly reaching MYTHIC proportions...

[cdogw1983]

Horknut@Nagafen wrote:

You ever wonder if you're taking things a little too personally?

Lol i never even mentioned you or your friends or guilds name once. YOU were the one who came in to defend your AFK griefing not me. I was an anonymous poster complaining about anonymous people who abuse the AFK function in BG. You actually made it personal. Reading comprehension ftw.

[HerbertWalker]

BMonkeeus wrote:

The epeens in here are certainly reaching MYTHIC proportions...

As is expected when the premise of the thread is that people are cheating, when in reality the BGs favor players who spent a long time creating an uber pvp character.     Nagafen players see uber characters every day, so they are not surprised to see such uberness in the BGs.    For some reason it is a surprise to the blue server players that you can actually create something so uber over time, and use it for maximum fun on the pvp field.

A crazy uber 71 wizard.   Blue server players have never seen such a thing.   They assume it must be cheating.

[Obadiah]

This thread kinda makes one wish there was a way to avoid being put in groups with toons on a [multi-server] ignore list.

[cdogw1983]

The exploiters/cheaters will always pretend there actions are legit even when they are obviously not to everyone else. They thrive on ignorance and stupidity. These same players usually dont have the skill to  win in a fair and balanced fight which is why they cheat/exploit to give them the advantage. They also gravitate toward obviously OP classes and builds because anything that requires strategy and skill to play would require them to turn their head away from the TV or the browser where they were watching some [Removed for Content] instead of letting macroquest or other 3rd party BoT programs play for them.

Another interesting fact is that most of these people are also big yankees fans. They can easily relate to the yankees because buying wins and championships appeals to them.

[Prestissimo]

HerbertWalker wrote:

BMonkeeus wrote:

The epeens in here are certainly reaching MYTHIC proportions...

As is expected when the premise of the thread is that people are cheating, when in reality the BGs favor players who spent a long time creating an uber pvp character.     Nagafen players see uber characters every day, so they are not surprised to see such uberness in the BGs.    For some reason it is a surprise to the blue server players that you can actually create something so uber over time, and use it for maximum fun on the pvp field.

A crazy uber 71 wizard.   Blue server players have never seen such a thing.   They assume it must be cheating.

I see a handcrafted wand, a treasured neck piece, 2 hex dolls, and a harvester cloak. For that reason I'm assuming that the eq2players snapshot was taken while you were doing something else, but some of the other gear choices escape me for why they're uber compared to something like the MPS/MBS raid gear jewelry mixed with the pvp items that offer toughness and the like while level locked at 80.

A warlock that I saw in BGs from nagafen was doing that very thing and obliterated my team completely without much effort and took all of us beating on him with one druid healing him. We had a warden, mystic, dirge, coercer, zerker, wizzy everyone in at least BG token gear or woe/t4 tso raid gear. He was not cheating either, because I checked the parse and logs, and every last point of health was accounted for on his gear and procs at proper rates. I have no problem with players who are legitimately tough, I have a problem with those players like the illy that I fought who recieved 100k hps total including what was provided by his procs, recieved 2.8 mill damage, and died 0 times in a 7 minute fight. He was holding the relic while we were wailing on him.

[Cerulien]

cdogw1983 wrote:

Not surprisingly BG is becoming populated by griefers, exploiters, and hackers. This is typical behavior of many people attracted by pvp in the first place. Not surprisingly the majority of these types also hail from the nagafen server.

With an intro like this, how can you expect to be taken as anything other than a troll?

[Megavolt]

cdogw1983 wrote:

lol@ above poster. Ive seen people with laughably bad gear doing all the things i have listed. you gonna tell me an entire team couldnt do 1 tick of damage on a 10k warden because he had a awesome pvp setup? shutup dude your so full of crap. Just another cheater trying to play interference on the forums most likely.  Stop ruining the game for everyone else because you cant play legit.

I think yer looking at PvP entirely wrong. Yes the 10k warden may be taking no damage, theres about  6 different classes that can cast stone skin, was anyone in his group one of these? Bg's is not only about individual skill and gear, it's about class mix and the skill and gear behind those classes. A tank running at 100% run speed? Porbably put in the time for his bogstrutting clicky and has cheetah thrown on him. A sorcerer with an endless power pool? Probably one of the enchanters feeding him. But I think yer bigger issue is just lag. If yer lagging players would look like they're warping, would not actually be in range when they look like they are, would be able to afk vote you because even though you just came in on your screen, you've been sitting idle to the system and your team for a minute. AFK votes are ignored if you do anything, so being voted afk means you've been sitting around for a good while. If you've ever run against true run speed hackers you'll know, it looks completely different than even a lag spike, almost like a flutter as they pop back and forth on yer screen.

But seriously, if you don't have lag, start playing. AFK-vote griefing is not a real complaint and if your sitting around long enough for the system to not autoignore the vote, I'll join em in voting you if I see it.

[Harbringer Doom]

cdogw1983 wrote:

The exploiters/cheaters will always pretend there actions are legit even when they are obviously not to everyone else. They thrive on ignorance and stupidity. These same players usually dont have the skill to  win in a fair and balanced fight which is why they cheat/exploit to give them the advantage. They also gravitate toward obviously OP classes and builds because anything that requires strategy and skill to play would require them to turn their head away from the TV or the browser where they were watching some [Removed for Content] instead of letting macroquest or other 3rd party BoT programs play for them.

Another interesting fact is that most of these people are also big yankees fans. They can easily relate to the yankees because buying wins and championships appeals to them.

Seek professional help.  Seriously.

[MoiraesFate]

Taldier@Venekor wrote:

MoiraesFate wrote:

Welcome to the wonderful nature of PvP. It exists solely to aggravate and make children feel strong while they behave badly.

Just a hint.. don't PvP. It saves alot of headache. 

Just a hint.. dont defame other players for their choice of ruleset.  It will let you sound less like a pretentious ******.

Love the people who hate on players from pvp servers when they have people like you on theirs.

Wow, that was childish.  And you people wonder why non-pvp'rs hate you pvp'rs so much. You just showed us exactly why.

[Dorsan]

MoiraesFate wrote:

Taldier@Venekor wrote:

MoiraesFate wrote:

Welcome to the wonderful nature of PvP. It exists solely to aggravate and make children feel strong while they behave badly.

Just a hint.. don't PvP. It saves alot of headache. 

Just a hint.. dont defame other players for their choice of ruleset.  It will let you sound less like a pretentious ******.

Love the people who hate on players from pvp servers when they have people like you on theirs.

Wow, that was childish.  And you people wonder why non-pvp'rs hate you pvp'rs so much. You just showed us exactly why.

Actually your own initial comment was childish. You got an answer that was way more mature. And I honestly couldn't care less if you like us or not, we don't like you either.

[Harbringer Doom]

Why do people on either type of server presume to speak for the entire server.

I think there are jackholes on all server types.

For example, me on PvP, the OP on PvE.

There are plenty of nice people too.  Just none in this thread.

[cdogw1983]

Horknut@Nagafen wrote:

cdogw1983 wrote:

The exploiters/cheaters will always pretend there actions are legit even when they are obviously not to everyone else. They thrive on ignorance and stupidity. These same players usually dont have the skill to  win in a fair and balanced fight which is why they cheat/exploit to give them the advantage. They also gravitate toward obviously OP classes and builds because anything that requires strategy and skill to play would require them to turn their head away from the TV or the browser where they were watching some [Removed for Content] instead of letting macroquest or other 3rd party BoT programs play for them.

Another interesting fact is that most of these people are also big yankees fans. They can easily relate to the yankees because buying wins and championships appeals to them.

Seek professional help.  Seriously.

lol. everything i said was dead on 100% accurate and makes perfect logical sense actually.

The yankees comment was clearly a joke. Not surprised you missed that though. Or perhaps you are just an angry yankees fan or you dont understand normal humor since your idea of humor is greifing others in game and being a big bag e-thug and probably pulling the legs off insects or whatever other sociopathicbehaviors you find entertaining.

[Harbringer Doom]

They should make a voting system for the forums.

[MoiraesFate]

Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:

MoiraesFate wrote:

Taldier@Venekor wrote:

MoiraesFate wrote:

Welcome to the wonderful nature of PvP. It exists solely to aggravate and make children feel strong while they behave badly.

Just a hint.. don't PvP. It saves alot of headache. 

Just a hint.. dont defame other players for their choice of ruleset.  It will let you sound less like a pretentious ******.

Love the people who hate on players from pvp servers when they have people like you on theirs.

Wow, that was childish.  And you people wonder why non-pvp'rs hate you pvp'rs so much. You just showed us exactly why.

Actually your own initial comment was childish. You got an answer that was way more mature. And I honestly couldn't care less if you like us or not, we don't like you either.

rofl... uh huh. If you couldn't care less, you wouldn't bother replying to me at all. You'd ignore me. So don't lie.

As for the reply to me... did you happen to notice the *'s? Hmm? You do know that means he swore at me, don't you? Did I swear at him? No, I did not. Come on now. You know better than this.

You don't care what I have to say? Don't reply to me then. I obviously struck a chord of truth in you or you wouldn't have bothered.

[HerbertWalker]

ReverendPaqo wrote:

HerbertWalker wrote:

BMonkeeus wrote:

The epeens in here are certainly reaching MYTHIC proportions...

As is expected when the premise of the thread is that people are cheating, when in reality the BGs favor players who spent a long time creating an uber pvp character.     Nagafen players see uber characters every day, so they are not surprised to see such uberness in the BGs.    For some reason it is a surprise to the blue server players that you can actually create something so uber over time, and use it for maximum fun on the pvp field.

A crazy uber 71 wizard.   Blue server players have never seen such a thing.   They assume it must be cheating.

I see a handcrafted wand, a treasured neck piece, 2 hex dolls, and a harvester cloak. For that reason I'm assuming that the eq2players snapshot was taken while you were doing something else, but some of the other gear choices escape me for why they're uber compared to something like the MPS/MBS raid gear jewelry mixed with the pvp items that offer toughness and the like while level locked at 80.

A warlock that I saw in BGs from nagafen was doing that very thing and obliterated my team completely without much effort and took all of us beating on him with one druid healing him. We had a warden, mystic, dirge, coercer, zerker, wizzy everyone in at least BG token gear or woe/t4 tso raid gear. He was not cheating either, because I checked the parse and logs, and every last point of health was accounted for on his gear and procs at proper rates. I have no problem with players who are legitimately tough, I have a problem with those players like the illy that I fought who recieved 100k hps total including what was provided by his procs, recieved 2.8 mill damage, and died 0 times in a 7 minute fight. He was holding the relic while we were wailing on him.

OK, so you don't know much about what makes for good PvP gear.  You don't even understand why a Harvester cloak is a good addition to my pvp wizard.   What about something like in-combat run speed?    I bet this is unimportant to you.  Ignorance I say.   You think you can look me up on the website, and determine how uber my character is.   No no no, the only way to know how uber this wizard is in my hands, is to witness my 71 wizard running solo on Nagafen - which you will never do (but you might continue to assume cheating is involved.)

You refuse to believe that I have created the most uber 71 wizard ever (because almost no one bothers to do such a silly thing.  On Nagafen, Ombadu is one of a kind.)   181AA and rising, spent properly on pvp.   All the top gear (except for the items you mentioned above).  All of the Masters.  And the player behind this wizard knows all of the pvp tricks of the trade.  Does my profile on the website include all that?

Since people on Nagafen log on their Qeynos alt to send me tells like, "how the heck are you so uber?", I knew the moment I began demolishing blue server players in the BG's, that these blue server players would be assuming way too much about how I am so uber.   Cheater!!!

You guys really have never seen an uber 71 wizard.   Trust me.  I can tell.   I slay them all day long in the BGs.   It takes 2 hits to kill those shoddy wizards.   2 hits for the scouts.   4 or 5 hits to the tanks.    But if I see Nagafen under their name, I know that character has been carefully crafted to be better.

If the BG were me vs 6 blue server players, I would win every time.    You guys just don't care to build your character as I have.    You could.   You just don't.    No reason to.   BGs are not a good enough reason.   Nagafen pretty much requires it, just not quite to the insane level that I did.

[Crismorn]

I like how you think you are anything more then mediocre, yet you are hiding out in a league where you can 2 shot people.

Too funny

[Vlahkmaak]

Seriously are you people still crying about jumping on a wall being an exploit of terrain?  I propose they put side walks in all the BGs an anyone stepping off the side walks then considered to be "exploiting" the terrain: NO RUNNING ON THE GRASS KIDS.

Also,

1.) Don't run behind trees cause some bluebie might not be able to see you and you could be theoretically exploiting the tree because SOE did not intend you to go behind them.

2.) Don't run behind the ruins in Ganak because that too will break someones LOS thus potentially also being considered an "exploit."

3.) No jumping over the balcony in Ganak either - SOE put those ramps there for a reason.  the ramps are the approved mode of transportaion up and down from the balcony area.  That bluebie down there is expecting you to run down the ramp and step on his ranger trap or run into into his fussion - jumping over the balcony and landing behind him/her clearly was never the intended use of the balcony.  Please perma ban anyone jumping off the balcony just for good order.

4.) Please don't allow ranged DPS types to stand on the ramp above the relic respawn point and shoot down on us - clearly with the recent relic change we were all meant to stand in a circle jerk at the bottom center - anyone not properly participating in the circle jerk should be perma banned for not jerking in the circle.

[HerbertWalker]

Crismorn wrote:

I like how you think you are anything more then mediocre, yet you are hiding out in a league where you can 2 shot people.

Too funny

Incorrect.   I play on Nagafen.   I have been jumping into BGs lately for a change of pace.    I quickly discovered that BGs are way too easy for my wizard character, who was created to be uber on Nagafen.   Still, it can be a fun change of pace.

Now what was that you were saying?    Someone is hiding out?   Certainly not the wizard who has been running solo on Nagafen for 5 years.   You call that hiding out?   Quite the opposite, bra.   And you guys want to compete with such a twinked out level 71 wiz?   Go put in the effort.   Get your 200AA.   Then let's fight.

In the meantime, buy some pumice?   omg   Seriously, do I need to tell you bluebies everything?   None of you EVER pumice me.    If I get pumiced in a BG, it was from a Nagafen player who knows how to kill a PvP wizard.

Bluebies' downfall is their lack of knowledge/experience in EQ2 PvP, combined with their lack of effort put into locking level and gaining AA, to compete.    If you don't want to compete, fine.   But don't come on here complaining about how crappy your character is comared to mine, yet you should be able to kill me.    No - I will take out your whole group and leave you thinking that I must be a huge cheater.    Yet NO PUMICE?    Ignorance is bliss.

In the BGs, I can two shot people who have a crappy T8 mage or scout, which is a large % of the T8 BG players.    As is expected.   Who on the blue servers twinks out a T8 character?   No one.   There is barely any T8 PvP on Nagafen, though T7 has some groups always active PvPing.   So yes, my 71 wizard is abnormally uber in the BGs.

These wizards that I two-shot in the BGs.   They are not even firing manashield to live longer.    This is a function of not knowing how to play (not knowing when to hit manashield), or not preparing (you don't have manashield/not a battlemage.)

[Seiffil]

HerbertWalker wrote:

Crismorn wrote:

I like how you think you are anything more then mediocre, yet you are hiding out in a league where you can 2 shot people.

Too funny

Incorrect.   I play on Nagafen.   I have been jumping into BGs lately for a change of pace.    I quickly discovered that BGs are way too easy for my wizard character, who was created to be uber on Nagafen.   Still, it can be a fun change of pace.

Now what was that you were saying?    Someone is hiding out?   Certainly not the wizard who has been running solo on Nagafen for 5 years.   You call that hiding out?   Quite the opposite, bra.   And you guys want to compete with such a twinked out level 71 wiz?   Go put in the effort.   Get your 200AA.   Then let's fight.

In the meantime, buy some pumice?   omg   Seriously, do I need to tell you bluebies everything?   None of you EVER pumice me.    If I get pumiced in a BG, it was from a Nagafen player who knows how to kill a PvP wizard.

Bluebies' downfall is their lack of knowledge/experience in EQ2 PvP, combined with their lack of effort put into locking level and gaining AA, to compete.    If you don't want to compete, fine.   But don't come on here complaining about how crappy your character is comared to mine, yet you should be able to kill me.    No - I will take out your whole group and leave you thinking that I must be a huge cheater.    Yet NO PUMICE?    Ignorance is bliss.

Before you start accusing PVE players of being newbs and not knowing that they should always have pumice before entering a BG, maybe you should do some research yourself.  (What items do PVE players NOT have access to?)

That being said, quite a few people who run BG's from both PVE and PVP servers don't necessarily care how well they do, they just want the free AA, exp, and tokens for gear.  Like a 90 Gears match with a necro who only dealt 180 total damage the entire match, and a ranger who only dealt 12k for the entire match.  So sure feel free to feel so awesomely powerful to kill those people in 1 shot who actually don't give a hoot.  Go ahead and stroke your ego for something that doesn't matter, while you're too scared to grow up and play with the big boys.

[cdogw1983]

HerbertWalker wrote:

Crismorn wrote:

I like how you think you are anything more then mediocre, yet you are hiding out in a league where you can 2 shot people.

Too funny

Incorrect.   I play on Nagafen.   I have been jumping into BGs lately for a change of pace.    I quickly discovered that BGs are way too easy for my wizard character, who was created to be uber on Nagafen.   Still, it can be a fun change of pace.

Now what was that you were saying?    Someone is hiding out?   Certainly not the wizard who has been running solo on Nagafen for 5 years.   You call that hiding out?   Quite the opposite, bra.   And you guys want to compete with such a twinked out level 71 wiz?   Go put in the effort.   Get your 200AA.   Then let's fight.

In the meantime, buy some pumice?   omg   Seriously, do I need to tell you bluebies everything?   None of you EVER pumice me.    If I get pumiced in a BG, it was from a Nagafen player who knows how to kill a PvP wizard.

Bluebies' downfall is their lack of knowledge/experience in EQ2 PvP, combined with their lack of effort put into locking level and gaining AA, to compete.    If you don't want to compete, fine.   But don't come on here complaining about how crappy your character is comared to mine, yet you should be able to kill me.    No - I will take out your whole group and leave you thinking that I must be a huge cheater.    Yet NO PUMICE?    Ignorance is bliss.

In the BGs, I can two shot people who have a crappy T8 mage or scout, which is a large % of the T8 BG players.    As is expected.   Who on the blue servers twinks out a T8 character?   No one.   There is barely any T8 PvP on Nagafen, though T7 has some groups always active PvPing.   So yes, my 71 wizard is abnormally uber in the BGs.

These wizards that I two-shot in the BGs.   They are not even firing manashield to live longer.    This is a function of not knowing how to play (not knowing when to hit manashield), or not preparing (you don't have manashield/not a battlemage.)

Rofl. You should go into comedy. You are so proud of your 5 year lvl 71 wiz its so awesome. I was in a group with some kid last night who kept telling us cool stories like how he and his bros do "drunk" raids. He was so cool wow. I was very impressed. Cool stories like his make me super jelous cause they are so cool wow! your story is also super cool too guy. Is he your bro too? you guys would be besters friends i bet. Please tell us some more cool stories bro. i love me some cool stories wowowee

[cdogw1983]

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