The Welcome Screen - Page 2

Mikai · 04-15-2009, 01:46 PM

Let me preface this by saying I am a completely rational person capible of thinking her own thoughts.

That said, my opinion: I do not think it is ineherently bad. I have often wanted a "game-at-a-glance" kinda thing. This is an attempt at that, although I do feel the implenentation leaves much to be desired. As someone who designs websites as a hobby, usability and practicality have always been important to me.

On the usability end, the lack of an in-game option to disable the welcome screen is frustrating. The fact that it pops up for every character I log (in my case, I log a minimum of 3 characters a day) is irksome. It's one more thing that I have to deal with when I first log on. As a guild leader, I don't particularly need more to "deal with".

On the practicality side, I would like to see more useful features that would make it worth seeing this thing every day. MOTDs are great. Friends list should show online friends, or at least give that option, much like the friends window. Station marketplace I personally don't need, but I highly doubt that will be removed. I think it would be nice to see new unread mail messages or broker sales for the day. I do not want an option to play LON. If I wanted to play LON, I know perfectly well where to find it.

I think if the window offered more to make it worth seeing, I might use it. I do hope the devs will put a little more thought into it and make this a beneficial addition to the game........not just another reason for people to complain.

Adegx · 04-15-2009, 02:13 PM

The only thing missing on the welcome's screen is the off switch! How do i kill this thing perminatly?

Aneova · 04-15-2009, 02:24 PM

I don't think it's particularly bad thing, a customization option would be nice, I am one those Anti Smed Cash people and would like to block anything that puts the market place some place visible. That said can the dev's please add a customize feature and or off switch for those that don't want to see it. I know we can't get rid of it now that it's here and I have a feeling it's going to hit ALL SOE titles if it's not already in place.

Bakual · 04-15-2009, 02:34 PM

It's to much cluttered and to much infos on it that nobody cares (Station Market, LoN Advertisment, Friendlist with offline friends, and so on). And the option to turn it off should be right there to click. I don't undertstand why they don't do a option/checkbox when they put something like this live

Noaani · 04-15-2009, 03:01 PM

Bakual wrote:

It's to much cluttered and to much infos on it that nobody cares (Station Market, LoN Advertisment, Friendlist with offline friends, and so on). And the option to turn it off should be right there to click. I don't undertstand why they don't do a option/checkbox when they put something like this live

A better option would be to increase its usefulness.

Make the friends list show only those online by default, but with an option to change to all.

Add links to Wikia, Zam, eq2interface, ACT, lootDB and EQ2llinks. These are the most popular tools for the game that I am aware of, so the game should support them imo.

The "community" feed needs to have community info. Links to articles, news about websites to do with the game, events that are being held on the server (GM, guide or player, not that we have GM events very often).

I can understand the need to have a portion of this window devoted to advertising (LoN and SC), but does it need to take up a third? If the SC window is to remain, having info about new SC items in the community section is redundant, so probably shouldn't be there.

Someone needs to get creative with server MotDs.

Mistymorn · 04-15-2009, 03:28 PM

Didn't know they were giving out decks again....got 2 loot cards today, lol, guess I am in favor , I know I've been bought.

Foolsfolly · 04-15-2009, 03:57 PM

It will be very nice if sony actually follows through with it...but somehow I doubt that they will. Sony has a bad habit of putting stuff into eq2 and then just forgetting about it for years at a time, as they move on to newer and bigger things. I do appreciate the new stuff...but when are heroic opportunities going to get updated? When will we see another adventure pack? Will oldworld zones ever be updated to have similar difficulty and loot compared to the newer zones?

Back on subject, one thing I would really like in the welcome screen is LoN updates. I know a lot of people don't play, but I for one hate missing out on promotional cards that only drop for one weekend, or special scenarios that are only available for a limited time.

It might also be nice to get the highlights from the most recent patch, just so that we know what is going on if we didn't read while it was patching.

DreadPirate · 04-15-2009, 05:18 PM

I don't think the Welcome Screen is that bad of an idea, but I also don't think it is unreasonable to have an "opt-out" toggle in your Options.

I don't mind seeing it from time to time, but every time I switch to a new character is a bit much.

Several options would be even better...

Do not show Welcome Screen.
Show only when new information is added.
Show once a day/week/whatever.
Default - Show at every character log-in.

GrunEQ · 04-15-2009, 05:32 PM

It's ok. It needs to be customizable, with options to disable, resize, add or delete sections. Friends list should be able to be set to friends currently in game as defaut. But really....most of these options are already in game. LoN, SC, Friends List, MotD, Guild MotD are alreay in game...so that really leaves just the news items for the most part and that would be ok, especially if they included events in the game that applied to the server like Guide Events, or World Events. Like one poster said shoving advertisments at us under the guise of information cheapens the game product and generally annoys your player base.

Spyderbite · 04-15-2009, 06:24 PM

GrunEQ wrote:

Like one poster said shoving advertisments at us under the guise of information cheapens the game product and generally annoys your player base.

Just like those pesky television ads interrupting your favorite show every 8-10 minutes. Absolutely intolerable! SMILEY

We pay $15/month (some people more) for our subscription. We pay $30-$80 per month for our cable subscriptions. Either way we still get advertising. Its not like it puts the advertisement in your face and makes you wait 30 seconds before getting in to game. Its ok to ignore it, hit the "Close" button and move on. Remember.. that advertising and its revenues are funding the game you play.

I have to hit 3 buttons on my remote to skip commercials during Heroes. Twice on FF.. then Play again after I've skipped the commercials.. I have to do this several times over a period of 40 minutes. In game, all I have to do is hit "Close".. once.

Jeisu · 04-15-2009, 06:52 PM

Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:

GrunEQ wrote:
Like one poster said shoving advertisments at us under the guise of information cheapens the game product and generally annoys your player base.
Just like those pesky television ads interrupting your favorite show every 8-10 minutes. Absolutely intolerable!
We pay $15/month (some people more) for our subscription. We pay $30-$80 per month for our cable subscriptions. Either way we still get advertising. Its not like it puts the advertisement in your face and makes you wait 30 seconds before getting in to game. Its ok to ignore it, hit the "Close" button and move on. Remember.. that advertising and its revenues are funding the game you play.
I have to hit 3 buttons on my remote to skip commercials during Heroes. Twice on FF.. then Play again after I've skipped the commercials.. I have to do this several times over a period of 40 minutes. In game, all I have to do is hit "Close".. once.

I can understand that they need extra revenue to keep the game going and that's fine. I also understand that if they weren't making money off of LoN and SC that they wouldn't exist. Kind of like those pesky telemarketers and stinkin spam mail. If people didn't buy, they wouldn't exist.

However, you can get on do not call / fax / email lists. That's all I'm asking for, the ability to Opt-Out.

As for television, well everyone needs a restroom, grab a snack, etc break. SMILEY As for me, I haven't had a television since 2006. Can't say I miss it.

Spyderbite · 04-15-2009, 07:15 PM

Aandaria@Najena wrote:

However, you can get on do not call / fax / email lists. That's all I'm asking for, the ability to Opt-Out.
The fix has been posted in many posts already. And, I'm sure since there is a command line option, it will most likely be an ingame checkbox in the future. As somebody said in another forum recently.. "Patience is NOT a virtue amongst Gamers!"
As for television, well everyone needs a restroom, grab a snack, etc break. As for me, I haven't had a television since 2006. Can't say I miss it.
Well.. go pee, come back and hit "Close". I've waited 15-20 minutes during raids some times when somebody called out "bio-break". I don't see how this .05 of a second delay is more frustrating than that.

Jeisu · 04-15-2009, 07:45 PM

Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:

Aandaria@Najena wrote:
However, you can get on do not call / fax / email lists. That's all I'm asking for, the ability to Opt-Out.
The fix has been posted in many posts already. And, I'm sure since there is a command line option, it will most likely be an ingame checkbox in the future. As somebody said in another forum recently.. "Patience is NOT a virtue amongst Gamers!"
As for television, well everyone needs a restroom, grab a snack, etc break. As for me, I haven't had a television since 2006. Can't say I miss it.
Well.. go pee, come back and hit "Close". I've waited 15-20 minutes during raids some times when somebody called out "bio-break". I don't see how this .05 of a second delay is more frustrating than that.

It's not that clicking out of the box is that difficult or time-consuming. There is good information to be had in the box. For instance I had no idea about spell naming poll thinger ma jig. It's a cool concept, I think there's a lot that can be done with it and I look forward to what it'll evolve into. I realize that it'll take them time to take our Feedback (from both sides of the fence) and make their changes.

Anyways, everyone has their buttons and things that bother them and things that don't. To each their own. SMILEY

Calthine · 04-15-2009, 09:34 PM

Aandaria@Najena wrote:

However, you can get on do not call / fax / email lists. That's all I'm asking for, the ability to Opt-Out.

Ha. Like that works. They just use the loopholes to call anyway.

Lodrelhai · 04-15-2009, 09:37 PM

Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:

GrunEQ wrote:
Like one poster said shoving advertisments at us under the guise of information cheapens the game product and generally annoys your player base.
Just like those pesky television ads interrupting your favorite show every 8-10 minutes. Absolutely intolerable!
We pay $15/month (some people more) for our subscription. We pay $30-$80 per month for our cable subscriptions. Either way we still get advertising. Its not like it puts the advertisement in your face and makes you wait 30 seconds before getting in to game. Its ok to ignore it, hit the "Close" button and move on. Remember.. that advertising and its revenues are funding the game you play.
I have to hit 3 buttons on my remote to skip commercials during Heroes. Twice on FF.. then Play again after I've skipped the commercials.. I have to do this several times over a period of 40 minutes. In game, all I have to do is hit "Close".. once.

Slight correction: The advertising and revenue from LoN and Station Cash are NOT funding Everquest II. They are funding LoN and Station Cash. Remember, when they lauded Station Cash as a great success a week after launch, they hired a new Station Cash dev team. LoN likewise has its own dev team. The money from these goes to paying for their own development.

Or do you also think that by buying the new Dyson Ball vacuum, you're directly contributing to the story development and casting of House?

edit: Oh, and the $30-$80 per month for cable would be equivalent to the fee we pay our ISP - gives us access to the networks the same as our ISP gives us access to the internet. Whatever advertisements are airing are scheduled by the network, just like whatever pop-ups or ads in webpages are done by the domain owner. The EQ2 subscription is equivalent to a Netflix subscription - and Station Cash is like them providing a movie and saying "Oh, it has special features too! Nothing essencial to the movie, but they look neat. Extra $5 for each of those you want to see, please."

Aneova · 04-15-2009, 09:38 PM

Calthine wrote:

Aandaria@Najena wrote:
However, you can get on do not call / fax / email lists. That's all I'm asking for, the ability to Opt-Out.
Ha. Like that works. They just use the loopholes to call anyway.

as a former telemarketer, i know every single one of those loop holes... and i'll use every one of them to my advantage.

Nadr · 04-16-2009, 12:25 AM

What happened?

They just took away the ability to turn it off?

If we wanted to see it we would look at it. IF we dont we shouls have the abilty to TURN IT OFF!@

Whilhelmina · 04-16-2009, 04:10 PM

As it is now, without any possibilities of shuting it off or setting what we want to see on it, I just plain hate this pop up. I read MoTD each time I log, I read guild MOTD, I read the forums and US communities that are always more up-to -date than the french EQ2players, I type Y to see if friends are online, in short I don't need that thing at all and especially not when I log each of my truckload of characters. Please, could we disable it without having to modify our eq2.ini ?

Rashaak · 04-16-2009, 04:40 PM

I like this addition actually. I normally check to see who is on-line when I log in, and I do have multiple toons on different servers w/different friends lists, so yah...it's good to see the Who's Online. I like the small glimpse of items available on SC too, even though I don't use it right now.

Personally I'd like to see an addition to it done though. Like a Broker listing of new items on the broker that may interest my characters class. Or...items I search for most often on the Broker it records that and lets me see when I log in and the Welcome Screen will show me..."New on Broker" And list most searched for items on the broker...

Also...add Player of the Day and Guild of the Day just like what they have on EQ2players main page.

I guess overall, I would like to see the Welcome Screen have the ability to modded somehow with different options if we choose...kind of like how you would set up your home page with MSN or Yahoo...

Dreyco · 04-16-2009, 04:45 PM

Rashaak wrote:

I like this addition actually. I normally check to see who is on-line when I log in, and I do have multiple toons on different servers w/different friends lists, so yah...it's good to see the Who's Online. I like the small glimpse of items available on SC too, even though I don't use it right now.
Personally I'd like to see an addition to it done though. Like a Broker listing of new items on the broker that may interest my characters class. Or...items I search for most often on the Broker it records that and lets me see when I log in and the Welcome Screen will show me..."New on Broker" And list most searched for items on the broker...
Also...add Player of the Day and Guild of the Day just like what they have on EQ2players main page.
I guess overall, I would like to see the Welcome Screen have the ability to modded somehow with different options if we choose...kind of like how you would set up your home page with MSN or Yahoo...

On that note: What about items that have been sold on the broker, or a total amount of coin you have waiting for you due to consigned sales? Just in a corner somewhere? SMILEY

Rashaak · 04-16-2009, 05:05 PM

Dreyco wrote:

Rashaak wrote:
I like this addition actually. I normally check to see who is on-line when I log in, and I do have multiple toons on different servers w/different friends lists, so yah...it's good to see the Who's Online. I like the small glimpse of items available on SC too, even though I don't use it right now.
Personally I'd like to see an addition to it done though. Like a Broker listing of new items on the broker that may interest my characters class. Or...items I search for most often on the Broker it records that and lets me see when I log in and the Welcome Screen will show me..."New on Broker" And list most searched for items on the broker...
Also...add Player of the Day and Guild of the Day just like what they have on EQ2players main page.
I guess overall, I would like to see the Welcome Screen have the ability to modded somehow with different options if we choose...kind of like how you would set up your home page with MSN or Yahoo...
On that note: What about items that have been sold on the broker, or a total amount of coin you have waiting for you due to consigned sales? Just in a corner somewhere?

That would be nice. SMILEY

So maybe there should be a feedback and suggestion thread started about what people would like to see on the member screen. SMILEY

Mikai · 04-16-2009, 05:13 PM

All arguements aside, since there's already been plenty of that.........

Implementation could have been better, more thought-out. We've all voiced our opinions on features we'd like to see in this to make it useful. There will still be those who protest the development of this for the sake of arguement. And those people will find other things to throw temper tantrums about when this topic cools down.

Personally, if some changes were made to this, I could really see this being useful. In it's current state, is rough, clumsy, and somewhat irritating. Does not mean that it cannot be refined. I sincerely hope the dev team hears the ideas being put forth and works to put them in effect. Without the criticisms, SOE would not have a direction to take to make it better and more useful.

Best of luck to the Dev team. I hope you do not dissappoint.

Dreyco · 04-16-2009, 06:06 PM

They're on the right track with it. It's funny how I was thinking about, previously, just what Rothgar was stating in another thread. When you log in.

Line of text!

Line of text!

The bold is all you see. Having everything nice and organized is great.

xeyda · 04-16-2009, 06:22 PM

As one of those folks that reads the server MotD, the guild MotD, the forums AND any patch notes that come up already, I so do not need or want this damned window.

If you like it, good on ya! Those of us that don't should be able to disable it. If disabling it would cause too many panties to twist, give us now our daily pop-up, not every single effin character.

Also, the ability to customize the menu (customizable PER CHARACTER PLEASE) would alleviate a great deal of my annoyance with this thing, so I would be happy with a robust variety of things I could do to the window as far as content, display and size. I NEVER want a window so [Removed for Content] huge I can't see what's going on (crashing during a raid, etc).

This stinks of marketing, not development.

Deson · 04-16-2009, 06:54 PM

Zorastiz@Antonia Bayle wrote:

This is typical of Spyderbite, get used to it or put him on ignore, I chose the latter.

Meh, he just reminds why I won't pay for premium membership at Alla's anymore.

Just want to echo, the Welcome window is a good feature but should have been pushed to test and should have included an in game opt out. Launched as it was, even when it's fixed many will still dislike it because of how it was done.

Nadr · 04-16-2009, 07:16 PM

If it could be customized .. i might not have a problem with it.

My biggest reason for a "GET IT OFF MY SCREEN NOW" is the marketplace. I dont think it should exist so to have it shoved in my face every time i log to a new char or back from a crash just capital P me off.

Especially as my logging for the night routine is to pass out money / goodies to all my alts, so thats 6 times its in my face just as I am winding down for the night.

Customization on size, content, what toons get it, what dont.. all could have made this a viable tool. I am sadly at the point where you could make it the prefect all I need at a glance tool and I will not look it at.

First impressions last a lifetime.

Rashaak · 04-16-2009, 10:54 PM

xeyda wrote:

As one of those folks that reads the server MotD, the guild MotD, the forums AND any patch notes that come up already, I so do not need or want this damned window.
If you like it, good on ya! Those of us that don't should be able to disable it. If disabling it would cause too many panties to twist, give us now our daily pop-up, not every single effin character.
Also, the ability to customize the menu (customizable PER CHARACTER PLEASE) would alleviate a great deal of my annoyance with this thing, so I would be happy with a robust variety of things I could do to the window as far as content, display and size. I NEVER want a window so [Removed for Content] huge I can't see what's going on (crashing during a raid, etc).
This stinks of marketing, not development.

So they start doing a bit more advertising and you complain? So, okay..we know you don't want it opening up all the time, it's been voiced in several threads already. How about putting something more constructive and substantative together on what you would like to see in it...seriously.

I will say that something like this may have been better implemented had they announced it before hand, I mean...they have an on going discussion about a Research assistant, why not this too. /shrug

Landiin · 04-16-2009, 11:24 PM

Rashaak wrote:

So they start doing a bit more advertising and you complain?

I pay to play this game so shouldn't have to see ANY advertisments at all!

Obadiah · 04-16-2009, 11:33 PM

Deson wrote:

Zorastiz@Antonia Bayle wrote:
This is typical of Spyderbite, get used to it or put him on ignore, I chose the latter.
Meh, he just reminds why I won't pay for premium membership at Alla's anymore.
Just want to echo, the Welcome window is a good feature but should have been pushed to test and should have included an in game opt out. Launched as it was, even when it's fixed many will still dislike it because of how it was done.

Wait ... Alla's still around? Far out.

It's too bad there's not a real /ignore option on these forums.

I think the "welcome" screen LOOKS ok and is conceptually OK. But since there's no information on it I'm interested in seeing I've got it shut off for now. An in-game setting to disable would be nice, but since it took all of 10 posts before someone posted the ini setting, meh, no big.

Rashaak · 04-17-2009, 12:17 AM

Toran@Oasis wrote:

Rashaak wrote:
So they start doing a bit more advertising and you complain?
I pay to play this game so shouldn't have to see ANY advertisments at all!

You pay to play it, but you do not own it and if you go read the EULA you will see that you have no control of what is done with this game and how things are implemented. Be lucky you have a forum to where you can even voice an opinion and discontent for a feature in the game. SMILEY

04-15-2009, 01:46 PM	#31
Mikai Server: Nagafen Guild: Lost Faith Rank: Senior Officers Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 373	Let me preface this by saying I am a completely rational person capible of thinking her own thoughts. That said, my opinion: I do not think it is ineherently bad. I have often wanted a "game-at-a-glance" kinda thing. This is an attempt at that, although I do feel the implenentation leaves much to be desired. As someone who designs websites as a hobby, usability and practicality have always been important to me. On the usability end, the lack of an in-game option to disable the welcome screen is frustrating. The fact that it pops up for every character I log (in my case, I log a minimum of 3 characters a day) is irksome. It's one more thing that I have to deal with when I first log on. As a guild leader, I don't particularly need more to "deal with". On the practicality side, I would like to see more useful features that would make it worth seeing this thing every day. MOTDs are great. Friends list should show online friends, or at least give that option, much like the friends window. Station marketplace I personally don't need, but I highly doubt that will be removed. I think it would be nice to see new unread mail messages or broker sales for the day. I do not want an option to play LON. If I wanted to play LON, I know perfectly well where to find it. I think if the window offered more to make it worth seeing, I might use it. I do hope the devs will put a little more thought into it and make this a beneficial addition to the game........not just another reason for people to complain. __________________ ~.~.~.~.~ Kaidia

04-15-2009, 02:24 PM	#33
Aneova Server: Kithicor Guild: Masters of the Universe Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,027	I don't think it's particularly bad thing, a customization option would be nice, I am one those Anti Smed Cash people and would like to block anything that puts the market place some place visible. That said can the dev's please add a customize feature and or off switch for those that don't want to see it. I know we can't get rid of it now that it's here and I have a feeling it's going to hit ALL SOE titles if it's not already in place. __________________ http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=438341 Originally Posted by Smed: I've been a regular lurker on this site for a while but I wanted to step in here and dispel something that's just plain not true - I don't have my name highlighted here, but anyone that doubts it's me can email me at [email protected] and I'll happily reply. We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. In any event, I wanted to stop in and at least set the record straight - you aren't going to be seeing RMT allowed on the non-exchange enabled servers. John Smedley President, Sony Online Entertainment

04-15-2009, 02:34 PM	#34
Bakual Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Suhr / Schweiz Posts: 1,864	It's to much cluttered and to much infos on it that nobody cares (Station Market, LoN Advertisment, Friendlist with offline friends, and so on). And the option to turn it off should be right there to click. I don't undertstand why they don't do a option/checkbox when they put something like this live __________________

04-15-2009, 03:01 PM	#35
Noaani Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,077	Bakual wrote: It's to much cluttered and to much infos on it that nobody cares (Station Market, LoN Advertisment, Friendlist with offline friends, and so on). And the option to turn it off should be right there to click. I don't undertstand why they don't do a option/checkbox when they put something like this live A better option would be to increase its usefulness. Make the friends list show only those online by default, but with an option to change to all. Add links to Wikia, Zam, eq2interface, ACT, lootDB and EQ2llinks. These are the most popular tools for the game that I am aware of, so the game should support them imo. The "community" feed needs to have community info. Links to articles, news about websites to do with the game, events that are being held on the server (GM, guide or player, not that we have GM events very often). I can understand the need to have a portion of this window devoted to advertising (LoN and SC), but does it need to take up a third? If the SC window is to remain, having info about new SC items in the community section is redundant, so probably shouldn't be there. Someone needs to get creative with server MotDs. __________________ The superior man knows what is right. The inferior man knows what will sell. Confucius

04-15-2009, 05:18 PM	#38
DreadPirate Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 183	I don't think the Welcome Screen is that bad of an idea, but I also don't think it is unreasonable to have an "opt-out" toggle in your Options. I don't mind seeing it from time to time, but every time I switch to a new character is a bit much. Several options would be even better... Do not show Welcome Screen. Show only when new information is added. Show once a day/week/whatever. Default - Show at every character log-in. __________________

04-15-2009, 02:13 PM	#32
Adegx Server: Permafrost Guild: League of the Extraordinary Rank: KNIGHTS Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 276	The only thing missing on the welcome's screen is the off switch! How do i kill this thing perminatly?

04-15-2009, 03:28 PM	#36
Mistymorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 127	Didn't know they were giving out decks again....got 2 loot cards today, lol, guess I am in favor , I know I've been bought.

04-15-2009, 03:57 PM	#37
Foolsfolly Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 465	It will be very nice if sony actually follows through with it...but somehow I doubt that they will. Sony has a bad habit of putting stuff into eq2 and then just forgetting about it for years at a time, as they move on to newer and bigger things. I do appreciate the new stuff...but when are heroic opportunities going to get updated? When will we see another adventure pack? Will oldworld zones ever be updated to have similar difficulty and loot compared to the newer zones? Back on subject, one thing I would really like in the welcome screen is LoN updates. I know a lot of people don't play, but I for one hate missing out on promotional cards that only drop for one weekend, or special scenarios that are only available for a limited time. It might also be nice to get the highlights from the most recent patch, just so that we know what is going on if we didn't read while it was patching.

04-15-2009, 05:32 PM	#39
GrunEQ Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,307	It's ok. It needs to be customizable, with options to disable, resize, add or delete sections. Friends list should be able to be set to friends currently in game as defaut. But really....most of these options are already in game. LoN, SC, Friends List, MotD, Guild MotD are alreay in game...so that really leaves just the news items for the most part and that would be ok, especially if they included events in the game that applied to the server like Guide Events, or World Events. Like one poster said shoving advertisments at us under the guise of information cheapens the game product and generally annoys your player base. __________________ GrunEQ2 "O to be a voyager and a yoyeur no longer."

04-15-2009, 06:24 PM	#40
Spyderbite Server: Venekor Guild: Dark Vengeance Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,262	GrunEQ wrote: Like one poster said shoving advertisments at us under the guise of information cheapens the game product and generally annoys your player base. Just like those pesky television ads interrupting your favorite show every 8-10 minutes. Absolutely intolerable! We pay $15/month (some people more) for our subscription. We pay $30-$80 per month for our cable subscriptions. Either way we still get advertising. Its not like it puts the advertisement in your face and makes you wait 30 seconds before getting in to game. Its ok to ignore it, hit the "Close" button and move on. Remember.. that advertising and its revenues are funding the game you play. I have to hit 3 buttons on my remote to skip commercials during Heroes. Twice on FF.. then Play again after I've skipped the commercials.. I have to do this several times over a period of 40 minutes. In game, all I have to do is hit "Close".. once.

04-15-2009, 06:52 PM	#41
Jeisu Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 33	Spyderbite@Venekor wrote: GrunEQ wrote: Like one poster said shoving advertisments at us under the guise of information cheapens the game product and generally annoys your player base. Just like those pesky television ads interrupting your favorite show every 8-10 minutes. Absolutely intolerable! We pay $15/month (some people more) for our subscription. We pay $30-$80 per month for our cable subscriptions. Either way we still get advertising. Its not like it puts the advertisement in your face and makes you wait 30 seconds before getting in to game. Its ok to ignore it, hit the "Close" button and move on. Remember.. that advertising and its revenues are funding the game you play. I have to hit 3 buttons on my remote to skip commercials during Heroes. Twice on FF.. then Play again after I've skipped the commercials.. I have to do this several times over a period of 40 minutes. In game, all I have to do is hit "Close".. once. I can understand that they need extra revenue to keep the game going and that's fine. I also understand that if they weren't making money off of LoN and SC that they wouldn't exist. Kind of like those pesky telemarketers and stinkin spam mail. If people didn't buy, they wouldn't exist. However, you can get on do not call / fax / email lists. That's all I'm asking for, the ability to Opt-Out. As for television, well everyone needs a restroom, grab a snack, etc break. As for me, I haven't had a television since 2006. Can't say I miss it. __________________

04-15-2009, 07:15 PM	#42
Spyderbite Server: Venekor Guild: Dark Vengeance Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,262	Aandaria@Najena wrote: However, you can get on do not call / fax / email lists. That's all I'm asking for, the ability to Opt-Out. The fix has been posted in many posts already. And, I'm sure since there is a command line option, it will most likely be an ingame checkbox in the future. As somebody said in another forum recently.. "Patience is NOT a virtue amongst Gamers!" As for television, well everyone needs a restroom, grab a snack, etc break. As for me, I haven't had a television since 2006. Can't say I miss it. Well.. go pee, come back and hit "Close". I've waited 15-20 minutes during raids some times when somebody called out "bio-break". I don't see how this .05 of a second delay is more frustrating than that.

04-15-2009, 07:45 PM	#43
Jeisu Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 33	Spyderbite@Venekor wrote: Aandaria@Najena wrote: However, you can get on do not call / fax / email lists. That's all I'm asking for, the ability to Opt-Out. The fix has been posted in many posts already. And, I'm sure since there is a command line option, it will most likely be an ingame checkbox in the future. As somebody said in another forum recently.. "Patience is NOT a virtue amongst Gamers!" As for television, well everyone needs a restroom, grab a snack, etc break. As for me, I haven't had a television since 2006. Can't say I miss it. Well.. go pee, come back and hit "Close". I've waited 15-20 minutes during raids some times when somebody called out "bio-break". I don't see how this .05 of a second delay is more frustrating than that. It's not that clicking out of the box is that difficult or time-consuming. There is good information to be had in the box. For instance I had no idea about spell naming poll thinger ma jig. It's a cool concept, I think there's a lot that can be done with it and I look forward to what it'll evolve into. I realize that it'll take them time to take our Feedback (from both sides of the fence) and make their changes. Anyways, everyone has their buttons and things that bother them and things that don't. To each their own. __________________

04-15-2009, 09:34 PM	#44
Calthine ZAM EQII Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,439	Aandaria@Najena wrote: However, you can get on do not call / fax / email lists. That's all I'm asking for, the ability to Opt-Out. Ha. Like that works. They just use the loopholes to call anyway. __________________ Please visit my non-gaming Blog! or follow me on Twitter!

04-15-2009, 09:37 PM	#45
Lodrelhai Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,271	Spyderbite@Venekor wrote: GrunEQ wrote: Like one poster said shoving advertisments at us under the guise of information cheapens the game product and generally annoys your player base. Just like those pesky television ads interrupting your favorite show every 8-10 minutes. Absolutely intolerable! We pay $15/month (some people more) for our subscription. We pay $30-$80 per month for our cable subscriptions. Either way we still get advertising. Its not like it puts the advertisement in your face and makes you wait 30 seconds before getting in to game. Its ok to ignore it, hit the "Close" button and move on. Remember.. that advertising and its revenues are funding the game you play. I have to hit 3 buttons on my remote to skip commercials during Heroes. Twice on FF.. then Play again after I've skipped the commercials.. I have to do this several times over a period of 40 minutes. In game, all I have to do is hit "Close".. once. Slight correction: The advertising and revenue from LoN and Station Cash are NOT funding Everquest II. They are funding LoN and Station Cash. Remember, when they lauded Station Cash as a great success a week after launch, they hired a new Station Cash dev team. LoN likewise has its own dev team. The money from these goes to paying for their own development. Or do you also think that by buying the new Dyson Ball vacuum, you're directly contributing to the story development and casting of House? edit: Oh, and the $30-$80 per month for cable would be equivalent to the fee we pay our ISP - gives us access to the networks the same as our ISP gives us access to the internet. Whatever advertisements are airing are scheduled by the network, just like whatever pop-ups or ads in webpages are done by the domain owner. The EQ2 subscription is equivalent to a Netflix subscription - and Station Cash is like them providing a movie and saying "Oh, it has special features too! Nothing essencial to the movie, but they look neat. Extra $5 for each of those you want to see, please."

04-15-2009, 09:38 PM	#46
Aneova Server: Kithicor Guild: Masters of the Universe Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,027	Calthine wrote: Aandaria@Najena wrote: However, you can get on do not call / fax / email lists. That's all I'm asking for, the ability to Opt-Out. Ha. Like that works. They just use the loopholes to call anyway. as a former telemarketer, i know every single one of those loop holes... and i'll use every one of them to my advantage. __________________ http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=438341 Originally Posted by Smed: I've been a regular lurker on this site for a while but I wanted to step in here and dispel something that's just plain not true - I don't have my name highlighted here, but anyone that doubts it's me can email me at [email protected] and I'll happily reply. We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. In any event, I wanted to stop in and at least set the record straight - you aren't going to be seeing RMT allowed on the non-exchange enabled servers. John Smedley President, Sony Online Entertainment

04-16-2009, 12:25 AM	#47
Nadr Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 20	What happened? They just took away the ability to turn it off? If we wanted to see it we would look at it. IF we dont we shouls have the abilty to TURN IT OFF!@ __________________ Nadr A'kar 75 Warlock Vision Of Truth

04-16-2009, 04:10 PM	#48
Whilhelmina Server: Storms Guild: Les Furies d Innoruuk Rank: Matriarches Tester Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France (Storms) Posts: 3,161	As it is now, without any possibilities of shuting it off or setting what we want to see on it, I just plain hate this pop up. I read MoTD each time I log, I read guild MOTD, I read the forums and US communities that are always more up-to -date than the french EQ2players, I type Y to see if friends are online, in short I don't need that thing at all and especially not when I log each of my truckload of characters. Please, could we disable it without having to modify our eq2.ini ? __________________ French Tradeskill Guide and my houses.

04-16-2009, 04:40 PM	#49
Rashaak Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,413	I like this addition actually. I normally check to see who is on-line when I log in, and I do have multiple toons on different servers w/different friends lists, so yah...it's good to see the Who's Online. I like the small glimpse of items available on SC too, even though I don't use it right now. Personally I'd like to see an addition to it done though. Like a Broker listing of new items on the broker that may interest my characters class. Or...items I search for most often on the Broker it records that and lets me see when I log in and the Welcome Screen will show me..."New on Broker" And list most searched for items on the broker... Also...add Player of the Day and Guild of the Day just like what they have on EQ2players main page. I guess overall, I would like to see the Welcome Screen have the ability to modded somehow with different options if we choose...kind of like how you would set up your home page with MSN or Yahoo...

04-16-2009, 04:45 PM	#50
Dreyco Archive of Ik Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,485	Rashaak wrote: I like this addition actually. I normally check to see who is on-line when I log in, and I do have multiple toons on different servers w/different friends lists, so yah...it's good to see the Who's Online. I like the small glimpse of items available on SC too, even though I don't use it right now. Personally I'd like to see an addition to it done though. Like a Broker listing of new items on the broker that may interest my characters class. Or...items I search for most often on the Broker it records that and lets me see when I log in and the Welcome Screen will show me..."New on Broker" And list most searched for items on the broker... Also...add Player of the Day and Guild of the Day just like what they have on EQ2players main page. I guess overall, I would like to see the Welcome Screen have the ability to modded somehow with different options if we choose...kind of like how you would set up your home page with MSN or Yahoo... On that note: What about items that have been sold on the broker, or a total amount of coin you have waiting for you due to consigned sales? Just in a corner somewhere? __________________ Grand Historian of The Archive of Ik

04-16-2009, 05:05 PM	#51
Rashaak Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,413	Dreyco wrote: Rashaak wrote: I like this addition actually. I normally check to see who is on-line when I log in, and I do have multiple toons on different servers w/different friends lists, so yah...it's good to see the Who's Online. I like the small glimpse of items available on SC too, even though I don't use it right now. Personally I'd like to see an addition to it done though. Like a Broker listing of new items on the broker that may interest my characters class. Or...items I search for most often on the Broker it records that and lets me see when I log in and the Welcome Screen will show me..."New on Broker" And list most searched for items on the broker... Also...add Player of the Day and Guild of the Day just like what they have on EQ2players main page. I guess overall, I would like to see the Welcome Screen have the ability to modded somehow with different options if we choose...kind of like how you would set up your home page with MSN or Yahoo... On that note: What about items that have been sold on the broker, or a total amount of coin you have waiting for you due to consigned sales? Just in a corner somewhere? That would be nice. So maybe there should be a feedback and suggestion thread started about what people would like to see on the member screen.

04-16-2009, 05:13 PM	#52
Mikai Server: Nagafen Guild: Lost Faith Rank: Senior Officers Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 373	All arguements aside, since there's already been plenty of that......... Implementation could have been better, more thought-out. We've all voiced our opinions on features we'd like to see in this to make it useful. There will still be those who protest the development of this for the sake of arguement. And those people will find other things to throw temper tantrums about when this topic cools down. Personally, if some changes were made to this, I could really see this being useful. In it's current state, is rough, clumsy, and somewhat irritating. Does not mean that it cannot be refined. I sincerely hope the dev team hears the ideas being put forth and works to put them in effect. Without the criticisms, SOE would not have a direction to take to make it better and more useful. Best of luck to the Dev team. I hope you do not dissappoint. __________________ ~.~.~.~.~ Kaidia

04-16-2009, 06:06 PM	#53
Dreyco Archive of Ik Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,485	They're on the right track with it. It's funny how I was thinking about, previously, just what Rothgar was stating in another thread. When you log in. Line of text! Line of text! Line of text! Line of text! Line of text! Line of text! Line of text! Line of text! Line of text! The bold is all you see. Having everything nice and organized is great. __________________ Grand Historian of The Archive of Ik

04-16-2009, 06:22 PM	#54
xeyda Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana Posts: 272	As one of those folks that reads the server MotD, the guild MotD, the forums AND any patch notes that come up already, I so do not need or want this damned window. If you like it, good on ya! Those of us that don't should be able to disable it. If disabling it would cause too many panties to twist, give us now our daily pop-up, not every single effin character. Also, the ability to customize the menu (customizable PER CHARACTER PLEASE) would alleviate a great deal of my annoyance with this thing, so I would be happy with a robust variety of things I could do to the window as far as content, display and size. I NEVER want a window so [Removed for Content] huge I can't see what's going on (crashing during a raid, etc). This stinks of marketing, not development.

04-16-2009, 06:54 PM	#55
Deson Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	Zorastiz@Antonia Bayle wrote: This is typical of Spyderbite, get used to it or put him on ignore, I chose the latter. Meh, he just reminds why I won't pay for premium membership at Alla's anymore. Just want to echo, the Welcome window is a good feature but should have been pushed to test and should have included an in game opt out. Launched as it was, even when it's fixed many will still dislike it because of how it was done. __________________ I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom. I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break...

04-16-2009, 07:16 PM	#56
Nadr Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 20	If it could be customized .. i might not have a problem with it. My biggest reason for a "GET IT OFF MY SCREEN NOW" is the marketplace. I dont think it should exist so to have it shoved in my face every time i log to a new char or back from a crash just capital P me off. Especially as my logging for the night routine is to pass out money / goodies to all my alts, so thats 6 times its in my face just as I am winding down for the night. Customization on size, content, what toons get it, what dont.. all could have made this a viable tool. I am sadly at the point where you could make it the prefect all I need at a glance tool and I will not look it at. First impressions last a lifetime. __________________ Nadr A'kar 75 Warlock Vision Of Truth

04-16-2009, 10:54 PM	#57
Rashaak Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,413	xeyda wrote: As one of those folks that reads the server MotD, the guild MotD, the forums AND any patch notes that come up already, I so do not need or want this damned window. If you like it, good on ya! Those of us that don't should be able to disable it. If disabling it would cause too many panties to twist, give us now our daily pop-up, not every single effin character. Also, the ability to customize the menu (customizable PER CHARACTER PLEASE) would alleviate a great deal of my annoyance with this thing, so I would be happy with a robust variety of things I could do to the window as far as content, display and size. I NEVER want a window so [Removed for Content] huge I can't see what's going on (crashing during a raid, etc). This stinks of marketing, not development. So they start doing a bit more advertising and you complain? So, okay..we know you don't want it opening up all the time, it's been voiced in several threads already. How about putting something more constructive and substantative together on what you would like to see in it...seriously. I will say that something like this may have been better implemented had they announced it before hand, I mean...they have an on going discussion about a Research assistant, why not this too. /shrug

04-16-2009, 11:24 PM	#58
Landiin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,749	Rashaak wrote: So they start doing a bit more advertising and you complain? I pay to play this game so shouldn't have to see ANY advertisments at all! __________________

04-16-2009, 11:33 PM	#59
Obadiah Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,154	Deson wrote: Zorastiz@Antonia Bayle wrote: This is typical of Spyderbite, get used to it or put him on ignore, I chose the latter. Meh, he just reminds why I won't pay for premium membership at Alla's anymore. Just want to echo, the Welcome window is a good feature but should have been pushed to test and should have included an in game opt out. Launched as it was, even when it's fixed many will still dislike it because of how it was done. Wait ... Alla's still around? Far out. It's too bad there's not a real /ignore option on these forums. I think the "welcome" screen LOOKS ok and is conceptually OK. But since there's no information on it I'm interested in seeing I've got it shut off for now. An in-game setting to disable would be nice, but since it took all of 10 posts before someone posted the ini setting, meh, no big. __________________

04-17-2009, 12:17 AM	#60
Rashaak Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,413	Toran@Oasis wrote: Rashaak wrote: So they start doing a bit more advertising and you complain? I pay to play this game so shouldn't have to see ANY advertisments at all! You pay to play it, but you do not own it and if you go read the EULA you will see that you have no control of what is done with this game and how things are implemented. Be lucky you have a forum to where you can even voice an opinion and discontent for a feature in the game.