Proof there should be a way to disable SOGA to others - Page 5

Ralengrimdea · 11-02-2005, 05:57 PM

I think from what I've evaluated is that a feature like this is something that needs more work and implimentation for it to be successful. I like the Soga models but I also completly understand with people that don't want their character portrayed as that. Even though I know it would be a hard thing to do, instead of going the upgraded-eq-1- models method, why could they not spend more time and make it so however the person customizes their character thats what you see. What would be cool in my opinion is to have both models exist in the game and you are only represented by one model. The problem though I heard is these models are more hardware sensitive. Couldn't they add low res textures on these also. What I really think the problem is that this is a great feature that is not being executed well to the public. The problem your going to see on some people is that they like their old models and they probablly won't customize their soga models cause they know how they look and that soga is not what they look like. What would be nice to see is 26 extra models co existing perfectly with the 32 models already in the game. That right there is most cetainly diversification. I mean if I want to look cartoon anime like then I should have the dang right too. I don't want some of the people to pick certain races looking soga and as a result seeing a few people as they don't intend to look. Thats silly. What I would like to see is a old barbarian model and a soga barbarian standing next to each other in combat fighting some creep. Because of not having that option you get the goofy eq 1 echoes of my guy looking like the dang shady swashbuckler in the commonlands tunnel. All I really want him to look like was the new human model I setup. But I can't because some guy didn't like how the new human model looked...But really with eq 1 in that situation I was a bit understanding because the new models were clearly much more hardware intense. If they "could" make these soga models have low res texturing built in so they don't bog down machines just as the current models have and simply add them as seperate files that the person associates that model file with then wouldn't everyone be happy? I mean if you want to bash soga model characters then really isn't that just abuse then?

Krelfeari · 11-02-2005, 07:32 PM

lol i love how everyone worried about their characters appearance is speaking up about soga, they dont even realize that to the majority of players not using very high end software, unless I am standing directly on top of ur head ur dark elf is nothing but a blurd of purple to me from ten feet away. ur armor, ur fancy hair and whatever else I don't even see for more than 30 seconds after i meet u anyway and thats if i even care about them.

gees, really people, save the superficial crap for real life...atleast there we GOTTA deal with it from jerks but must u REALLY bring it into video games? its just a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] graphic...sheesh.

besides, like i said, unless u have a gig+ of ram 2 gig + cpu and a good graphics card then ur not seeing much at a distance but smudgey blurs lol....as for the OP saying the soga models are emo? lol..what do u think this post is? the very definition of it.

blynchehaun · 11-02-2005, 07:46 PM

< The point i'm trying to make here is that there should be a way to disable others from seeing you as a SOGA model, > Would you like to set my other graphics settings too? How about we set everyone to Extreme Performance, just so they can see your char the way it should be seen. No, wait, that's unreasonable. You control your client, I'll control mine, k?

Zyphius · 11-02-2005, 07:47 PM

jordaann wrote:
My only real issue with the SOGA models is the fact they can not be customized any near the level of the current models. MG response to this is "that is what was intended". So their new feature is designed to reduce my ability to customize my character.

You should be happy you even have them. MG already said that these models were NOT, I repeat NOT made for the US market. They were intended SOLELY for the asian market. SOE is being NICE by "allowing" the OPTION to use the models that are not even intended for your use to begin with, because some people "liked them". They are NOT going to "change" the SOGA models to benefit YOU. They are NOT even FOR your benefit to begin with!! They are not INTENDED for your use, SUGGESTED for your use, OR EXPECTED for your use. They are MERELY an OPTION for those people who "really like them". If you don't like the fact they arent as customizable, DON'T USE THEM!!! All these crybabies make me sick!

Stavenh · 11-02-2005, 08:03 PM

blynchehaun wrote:< The point i'm trying to make here is that there should be a way to disable others from seeing you as a SOGA model, > Would you like to set my other graphics settings too? How about we set everyone to Extreme Performance, just so they can see your char the way it should be seen. No, wait, that's unreasonable. You control your client, I'll control mine, k?

Here is the solution. Everyone that wants to force others to see thier avatar as they want should simply offer to pay for other peoples accounts. Then they can set the stipulation on how the graphics settings HAVE to be set.

jordaann · 11-02-2005, 09:21 PM

putergod wrote:

jordaann wrote:My only real issue with the SOGA models is the fact they can not be customized any near the level of the current models. MG response to this is "that is what was intended". So their new feature is designed to reduce my ability to customize my character.

You should be happy you even have them. MG already said that these models were NOT, I repeat NOT made for the US market. They were intended SOLELY for the asian market. SOE is being NICE by "allowing" the OPTION to use the models that are not even intended for your use to begin with, because some people "liked them". They are NOT going to "change" the SOGA models to benefit YOU. They are NOT even FOR your benefit to begin with!! They are not INTENDED for your use, SUGGESTED for your use, OR EXPECTED for your use. They are MERELY an OPTION for those people who "really like them". If you don't like the fact they arent as customizable, DON'T USE THEM!!! All these crybabies make me sick!

SOE new feature: View all character as your favorite race. I want to see everyone as a halfling female!!!! Then you should be perfectly fine if you login and your Dark Elf (just guessing from your avatar) is viewed by everyone else as a halfling? After all it is just an image and it means nothing? If that is correct you must be right After all it is just visual and anyone going against that opinion is just a crybaby. /bows to your superior intellect

Message Edited by jordaann on 11-02-2005 11:29 AM

Naggyba · 11-02-2005, 10:24 PM

Well, I ran through QH wiht all old models on and then ran through QH with all SOGA models on and it was MUCH smoother to me. I could tell a big difference when runing with all SOGA models on.

Sufu · 11-02-2005, 10:58 PM

I hope the new models are less laggy in raid situations too, but as it stands, the new models are a bit buggy due to armors not fitting right. Hopefully fixing them will give a small fps boost too. Not all of us are running dual 7800GTX's in SLI mode =(

KerowynnKaotic · 11-02-2005, 11:06 PM

firewolf wrote:
*snipped*

Consider the general players of the eq2 regarding SOGA

1. Some want to see the entire eq2 in US models

2. Some want to see the entire eq2 in SOGA models

3. Some want to see a mixture of races/gender in US model or SOGA model (which ever they fancy most)

*snipped*

You are forgetting ...

4. Some who want to see diversity in the game. Those who are asking .. nay .. begging for more options.

Might be a stretch but why not make client side choices ...

1. Original US Models (only)

2. Soga Models (only)

3. Mixture based on Preferences (your choice) (requires slightly more ram)

4. Mixture based Character Choice (Ram Muncher! Very Memory Intensive)

and each Character you make/have would have an option to click

I want this character's over-ride to be: US Model / Soga Model

So .. say I make a new character on one of my other accounts ..

I have my US Model Prime Female Wood Elf and I make the new Female Wood Elf but I choose to make her Soga Prime .. I log both in and viola ! On both screens (since I have chose to use the more memory intensive option) I see both a US Wood Elf and a Soga Wood Elf standing next to each other .. I also see "your" Barbarian Male Soga and "joe's" US Barbarian Male wacking on some beetle in Antonica .. But! "Joe" only sees US characters .. and "you" see yourself as a Soga but prefer the Woodelves as US model ..

I would have preferred they never authorized these models .. not because I don't like them but because it's SoL all over again. But they are here (or will be) and I really would like them to be presented better than the SoL crap was ..

Online Gaming in a MMORPG is all about options .. everyone is screaming for more options so they as a lvl 60 don't look the same as the lvl 50 or a lvl 50 caster doesn't look like my lvl 9 Bard in VLA .. WELL .. here is the way to introduce more options (at least client side) for those who are willing to give up some ram.

I have no problem really with you viewing me as only a Soga or US model *shrug* but I really want to see "you" as you choose and yet I still want to see me as I choose. Is that really such a crime?

Dimgroth · 11-02-2005, 11:41 PM

I dont want to see your craptastic us models, sorry, but no thanks, thats in the past for me, thank god.

Zyphius · 11-03-2005, 12:44 AM

jordaann wrote:

putergod wrote:

jordaann wrote:
My only real issue with the SOGA models is the fact they can not be customized any near the level of the current models. MG response to this is "that is what was intended". So their new feature is designed to reduce my ability to customize my character.

You should be happy you even have them. MG already said that these models were NOT, I repeat NOT made for the US market. They were intended SOLELY for the asian market. SOE is being NICE by "allowing" the OPTION to use the models that are not even intended for your use to begin with, because some people "liked them". They are NOT going to "change" the SOGA models to benefit YOU. They are NOT even FOR your benefit to begin with!! They are not INTENDED for your use, SUGGESTED for your use, OR EXPECTED for your use. They are MERELY an OPTION for those people who "really like them". If you don't like the fact they arent as customizable, DON'T USE THEM!!! All these crybabies make me sick!

SOE new feature: View all character as your favorite race. I want to see everyone as a halfling female!!!!

Then you should be perfectly fine if you login and your Dark Elf (just guessing from your avatar) is viewed by everyone else as a halfling? After all it is just an image and it means nothing? If that is correct you must be right
After all it is just visual and anyone going against that opinion is just a crybaby.

Wouldn't bother me none.. as I can see me the way I want. I don't give a rat's [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] how you see me, as I am not the one that has to look at your monitor.

/bows to your superior intellect

As you should...

Message Edited by jordaann on 11-02-2005 11:29 AM

Za · 11-03-2005, 01:00 AM

jordaann wrote:My only real issue with the SOGA models is the fact they can not be customized any near the level of the current models. MG response to this is "that is what was intended". So their new feature is designed to reduce my ability to customize my character.

NO! You can see whatever YOU want to see. Your char will not look ANY different to you!

beylanu · 11-03-2005, 02:10 AM

Well, for me, I think SOGA halfling females are ugly. I don't want others seeing me like that. However....If SOE gave me the option to force my oldstyle halfling look on others, in all fairness, they should allow the SOGA fans to force their SOGA look on me as well. Personally I wouldn't want that. I want to play this game as if SOGA never occurred. Which means not allowing others to dictate how I see them(from a SOGA/non-SOGA standpoint). So with that in mind, I think it's reasonable that I cannot force others to see me in my beautiful non-SOGA form.Oh well...compromise is such a hard thing to accept. I'm ok with SOE's stance on this.

jordaann · 11-03-2005, 02:14 AM

Ok I just do not know, either people just do not like the perspective I am presenting or maybe I am not using the right words to explain it. When you create a character you choose the avatar that will represent you in the world of EQ2. Disregarding the stat differences between races you are left with the visual image representing your character to the world of Norrath. It does not seem to me that it is a totaly outlandish idea to believe that the image of your avatar affects how you are recieved by other characters you come accross in norrath. It is very true that each and every player has the ability to control the quality of the images in the game they pay to play. However I would still say that significant changes to that avatar (or the way others see it) can affect my game play. Personally I like most of the new models but I do object to the reduction of customization features available on the new models. This reduction will permit another user to percieve my character completely different than I intended. For example that ring my ratonga (yes i know there is no ratonga soga model) wears in his lip may have been torn from an important enemy, which now is not there in the soga models. I am not saying I am against implementation of the soga models, I am saying I would much prefer to see at least the same level of customization on soga models that we currently enjoy on the existing models. I am quite out of breath and energy attempting to present a point on deaf ears, I am sure SOE will use their best judgement while implementing this to the live servers Best of luck to everyone I hope you get as much out of EQ2 as I do. Even if you don't have the same view about this specific issue as I do SMILEY

Nainitsuj · 11-03-2005, 02:39 AM

WOOT!! Can't wait.

Auto Assault is released in a few months.

Burn in hell SOGA.

chadesh · 11-03-2005, 04:16 AM

AbsentmindedMage wrote:

chadesh wrote:

how about making SOGA models a option for download. I personally don't even want them on my comp. Its a stretch, but there might be a time that you will see them.

This is really getting insane, so now people do not even want the soga models downloading to their computer and being on their harddrive. Do you realize how childish that sounds? What will happen if you accidentally see your character in the SOGA style? Will you explode? :smileytongue:

chadesh wrote:

Some people might take screenys for a event or something and capture the SOGA models and not relize it when they didnt intend on it. Personally I wish I could turn my name off so no one else can see my name unless they target me.

There is no difference between this and the person who is taking the screenshot having their settings to low or using /cutemode. I am sure that when a person takes a screenshot they will know exactly what models they are using. So, they are not going to go omg, what have i done I took a screenshot with soga models on. As for your name not showing, that is also an option for the individual player to decide if he/she wants to see other players names all the time or just when targetting.

It has nothing to do with being parnoid, but it has to do with what I need to accually run the game. If I don't use it I don't want it. Like the sound and music files they aren't needed to run the game. So I don't need them on my computer, because I don't have sound even on. I turn the music and sound off since release and have no intention to turn it back on.

If it's not needed for my injoyment of the game then keep it off my computer. its just that simple.

Cranber · 11-03-2005, 04:48 AM

What really bothers me is that I can't choose this pointy hat for my gnome with SOGA models. In fact, I love this hat and love to make jokes about it with my friends. I even consider it as a part of me, something like an icon, or a symbol for me. (ok to make fun of me. I'm used to it. :p but you can't change the fact that I love it.)

I also love my sunglasses. They give me looks of sophistication and also a bit of arrogance. I just love my gnome to be looked that way. Unfortunately, however I try to make a SOGA gnome even remotely similar to my original, it just seems too dull for me.

Yes, it's true. SOGA models are seriously lack of variation and accessaries and I don't like them at all. I've been playing alot of Asian fantasy games and compared to them, SOGA models are completely third-rated and I don't understand why they didn't hire better designers for them. Personally I don't want people to see me that way, but on the other hand I don't want to see other people that way either.

So fair enough for me. No forced-look options.

Sordia · 11-03-2005, 05:04 AM

All I keep hearing in my head is the skit in Roseanne where John Goodman is pretending he is DJ, rocking back and forth saying over and over again: "They say she's the same, but she isn't the same"

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Message Edited by Sordia on 11-02-2005 04:07 PM

Za · 11-03-2005, 05:28 AM

jordaann wrote:Ok I just do not know, either people just do not like the perspective I am presenting or maybe I am not using the right words to explain it. When you create a character you choose the avatar that will represent you in the world of EQ2. Disregarding the stat differences between races you are left with the visual image representing your character to the world of Norrath. It does not seem to me that it is a totaly outlandish idea to believe that the image of your avatar affects how you are recieved by other characters you come accross in norrath. It is very true that each and every player has the ability to control the quality of the images in the game they pay to play. However I would still say that significant changes to that avatar (or the way others see it) can affect my game play. Personally I like most of the new models but I do object to the reduction of customization features available on the new models. This reduction will permit another user to percieve my character completely different than I intended. For example that ring my ratonga (yes i know there is no ratonga soga model) wears in his lip may have been torn from an important enemy, which now is not there in the soga models. I am not saying I am against implementation of the soga models, I am saying I would much prefer to see at least the same level of customization on soga models that we currently enjoy on the existing models. I am quite out of breath and energy attempting to present a point on deaf ears, I am sure SOE will use their best judgement while implementing this to the live servers Best of luck to everyone I hope you get as much out of EQ2 as I do. Even if you don't have the same view about this specific issue as I do

You can say whatever you want about your char and your chars history etc... But what it comes down to, is your right to present a look doesn't equal someone elses right to see what they want to see. If someone came up with a mod that let EQ toons look like X-Men chars, there would be some people that would want to use X-Men models! You control a great degree of what your char's appearance is, but don't think that means you have absolute control. In this case you will not.

Stavenh · 11-03-2005, 05:56 AM

jordaann wrote:
Ok I just do not know, either people just do not like the perspective I am presenting or maybe I am not using the right words to explain it. When you create a character you choose the avatar that will represent you in the world of EQ2. Disregarding the stat differences between races you are left with the visual image representing your character to the world of Norrath. It does not seem to me that it is a totaly outlandish idea to believe that the image of your avatar affects how you are recieved by other characters you come accross in norrath. It is very true that each and every player has the ability to control the quality of the images in the game they pay to play. However I would still say that significant changes to that avatar (or the way others see it) can affect my game play. Personally I like most of the new models but I do object to the reduction of customization features available on the new models. This reduction will permit another user to percieve my character completely different than I intended. For example that ring my ratonga (yes i know there is no ratonga soga model) wears in his lip may have been torn from an important enemy, which now is not there in the soga models.

I am not saying I am against implementation of the soga models, I am saying I would much prefer to see at least the same level of customization on soga models that we currently enjoy on the existing models.

I am quite out of breath and energy attempting to present a point on deaf ears, I am sure SOE will use their best judgement while implementing this to the live servers
Best of luck to everyone I hope you get as much out of EQ2 as I do. Even if you don't have the same view about this specific issue as I do

You have lost some of you grip on reality it seems. It's a game. Your acting like it's real.

dread du · 11-03-2005, 06:10 AM

beylanu wrote:Well, for me, I think SOGA halfling females are ugly. I don't want others seeing me like that. However....If SOE gave me the option to force my oldstyle halfling look on others, in all fairness, they should allow the SOGA fans to force their SOGA look on me as well. Personally I wouldn't want that. I want to play this game as if SOGA never occurred. Which means not allowing others to dictate how I see them(from a SOGA/non-SOGA standpoint). So with that in mind, I think it's reasonable that I cannot force others to see me in my beautiful non-SOGA form.Oh well...compromise is such a hard thing to accept. I'm ok with SOE's stance on this.

well said, it would be nice if all the people who support the OP would just read this comment, and understand what it means.

Pathin Merrithay · 11-03-2005, 04:40 PM

In real life, when someone who wears sunglasses looks at you, they don't see the same things that another person without will. Sure, the physicalities may be there, but the perception is radically different. Are you going to be upset that someone wearing sunglasses can't make out the subtle shade of orange you picked out today? Will you demand they take them off so that they can see your outfit as you intended it to be?

Heavens I hope not.

The SOGA models are physically different, yes, but you have no right to say how I want to perceive a game running on my computer. You can customize it as best you can, which I think is quite the ability regardless.

A RL comment comes to mind.. You hands have the freedom to do almost anything they'd like... But they lose that freedom the second they think about connecting someone's nose with a fist. You have the right to customize your model, but have no right to tell me how I want to look at it. It's -my- computer.

Twizzel · 11-03-2005, 05:24 PM

Pathin Merrithay wrote:

A RL comment comes to mind.. You hands have the freedom to do almost anything they'd like... But they lose that freedom the second they think about connecting someone's nose with a fist. You have the right to customize your model, but have no right to tell me how I want to look at it. It's -my- computer.

So, I should just let you choose my avatar for the game I play? I think not. It would be akin to you telling me how to cut my hair and what clothes to wear in RL...to use your analogy.

Personally, it doesn't bother me one way or the other and doubt it will change my perceptions on the current problems with this game...like how about fixing myriad other things before worrying about models for a niche market. But what I fail to understand is why you folks don't understand that those that don't like the anime look are entitled to their opinions as much as you are.

I will wait and see what this does to my characters appearance and just add that to the pros/cons list of whether I choose to keep paying SoE to play this game. If it turns my characters into cartoons ala WoW, I'll be done (after all, if I wanted to play WoW, I would be playing WoW).

Since this game markets itself as an mmoRPG, and one of the things about RPG means "I" get to choose how I roleplay my character, which includes how I look to others. If I no longer have that option, it is just another nail in the coffin...then again, I might really like the SOGA models for my characters. However, that is not the point...

Dimgroth · 11-03-2005, 05:37 PM

go ahead and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and refuse to even make a decent soga version of yourself for your own worries, ill still think your soga model version of you looks better by far on most, unless you have complete lack of caring for how your character looks and dont take time to make both u.s version and soga version of self look good to best of your judgement. (even if you dont like it, you can get SOMETHING good from SOGA so people who like such can view it and admire )

jordaann · 11-03-2005, 06:16 PM

As far as I am concerned I do not want to tell anyone what model they should use, after all it is THEIR pc. All I want is the ability to control the image that is my character, how that character is percieved is up to the setting on each person computer and their mind. I will not say how you should percieve my character but don't prevent me from presenting my character in the manner I want.

Elyssia · 11-03-2005, 08:06 PM

Quote Jordaann......

As far as I am concerned I do not want to tell anyone what model they should use, after all it is THEIR pc. All I want is the ability to control the image that is my character, how that character is percieved is up to the setting on each person computer and their mind. I will not say how you should percieve my character but don't prevent me from presenting my character in the manner I want.
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Agreed 100% on this matter.

I did NOT make my character to look like some second-rate WoW refugee with rubber ears and do not want people to see her this way either!!!

daeneriez · 11-03-2005, 08:26 PM

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before (on the right): this is the character that i have played since last Christmas; my main, a 57th level templar (stripping down only for comparison's sake, don't get any ideas :smileywink: ). to me, she is quite lovely with her up-turned nose, her blatently dyed hair, and her rosey cheeks. this is what i wanted others to see me as, while i adventured in Norrath. i like the character, what can i say?

after (on the left): this is the character that took me nearly 45 minutes to create. while she has her good points, such as those fabulas ears and the big almond eyes (im such a sucker), the hair-color was unable to be matched to my current character. not for lack of it appearing on the color pallet, mind you, it was there. it just looked different both in-game and on the character selection screen. not only that, but the hairstyle chosen was the only hairstyle that wasn't down, wild, or in her face; suddenly the ladies of Castleview don't know how to style their hair? i was un-able to upturn her nose, which i think is part of the whole snobby high elven attitude, or make her any darker skinned than she currently is. but all of that aside, the thing i have the problem with is her limbs. look at the legs (the right one shows it more than the left, because the clothing is draped in the way). this is perhaps what bothers me most of all about the model, she looks like she is starving, anerexic, and sickly.

i am personally going to stick to the old models. i do wish, however, that rather than creating these SOGA models they would have combined them with current models. i would love to add a curve to my main character's ears, and have those lovely eyes. best of both worlds, that way.

(edited to say: this is a feedback forum, folks. this is the feedback that others are giving about something that is currently live on the test server. complaining because they are giving their feedback is a little strange. you can offer your own opinion, but "u suck cuz u don't agree with me"? perhaps if you didn't read the feedback forums, you wouldn't be so annoyed by other people's opinions about in-game things. your opinion is yours, my opinion is mine. and some people do give constructive solutions.)

Message Edited by daeneriez on 11-03-2005 04:54 PM

crunchybob · 11-03-2005, 08:27 PM

I'll post it again since there seems to be eight thousand posts on this subject.

I know people in eq1 that still have pre-Luclin models on for improved performance, I know people who run this game at max performance instead of max graphics - it all changes how you look to others, get over it already.

I think about half of the SOGA models are improvements and I think half of them look like used toilet paper. I'll enable the ones I like and not enable it on the others.

It's a game it's a game It's A Game It's A Game IT'S A GAME IT'S A GAME IT'S A GAME IT'S A GAME

So let's whine and complain ad nauseum because I don't like something that other people do. And if you do get it changed (not likely) and they remove the SOGA models, what about all of the people that wanted them that also pay for thier subscriptions? Or don't they matter because YOU got what YOU wanted?

God, the arrogance. Sony will do what Sony will do and there really is only one way to influence that, by not paying for it.

daeneriez · 11-03-2005, 08:43 PM

If someone came up with a mod that let EQ toons look like X-Men chars, there would be some people that would want to use X-Men models!

no! don't give them ideas like that! we will just have this situation, all over again. while it is off-topic, i am curious, would they go with the X-men movie models (the ones that featured Hugh Jackman, Halley Barry, etc), or would they go with old comic book style characters in the yellow spandex?

Sir Ka · 11-03-2005, 08:45 PM

Ok i think I found why the female legs are so thin. Look at a female elf whos wearing light armor, they allready have those skinny legs! the model creators of SOGA must have looked at this and translated this to the female characters without armor on.

11-02-2005, 07:32 PM	#122
Krelfeari Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 413	lol i love how everyone worried about their characters appearance is speaking up about soga, they dont even realize that to the majority of players not using very high end software, unless I am standing directly on top of ur head ur dark elf is nothing but a blurd of purple to me from ten feet away. ur armor, ur fancy hair and whatever else I don't even see for more than 30 seconds after i meet u anyway and thats if i even care about them. gees, really people, save the superficial crap for real life...atleast there we GOTTA deal with it from jerks but must u REALLY bring it into video games? its just a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] graphic...sheesh. besides, like i said, unless u have a gig+ of ram 2 gig + cpu and a good graphics card then ur not seeing much at a distance but smudgey blurs lol....as for the OP saying the soga models are emo? lol..what do u think this post is? the very definition of it. __________________ Psykoala Hypnoplatypus, first Ratongan Coercer to be diagnosed with "Animal Skitzophrenia" where each personality is a different creature. Sig Update: November 16, 2005 Lvl 31 Quests 230+ Current personality: Owlbear

11-02-2005, 07:47 PM	#124
Zyphius Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 544	jordaann wrote: My only real issue with the SOGA models is the fact they can not be customized any near the level of the current models. MG response to this is "that is what was intended". So their new feature is designed to reduce my ability to customize my character. You should be happy you even have them. MG already said that these models were NOT, I repeat NOT made for the US market. They were intended SOLELY for the asian market. SOE is being NICE by "allowing" the OPTION to use the models that are not even intended for your use to begin with, because some people "liked them". They are NOT going to "change" the SOGA models to benefit YOU. They are NOT even FOR your benefit to begin with!! They are not INTENDED for your use, SUGGESTED for your use, OR EXPECTED for your use. They are MERELY an OPTION for those people who "really like them". If you don't like the fact they arent as customizable, DON'T USE THEM!!! All these crybabies make me sick! __________________ Exalted Zyphius Most'Dieus, Destroyer of Fairies, 80 Wizard/80 Sage of Unrest Arion Cessation, 26 Necro of Unrest Twilight Raiders

11-02-2005, 09:21 PM	#126
jordaann Tester Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 114	putergod wrote: jordaann wrote:My only real issue with the SOGA models is the fact they can not be customized any near the level of the current models. MG response to this is "that is what was intended". So their new feature is designed to reduce my ability to customize my character. You should be happy you even have them. MG already said that these models were NOT, I repeat NOT made for the US market. They were intended SOLELY for the asian market. SOE is being NICE by "allowing" the OPTION to use the models that are not even intended for your use to begin with, because some people "liked them". They are NOT going to "change" the SOGA models to benefit YOU. They are NOT even FOR your benefit to begin with!! They are not INTENDED for your use, SUGGESTED for your use, OR EXPECTED for your use. They are MERELY an OPTION for those people who "really like them". If you don't like the fact they arent as customizable, DON'T USE THEM!!! All these crybabies make me sick! SOE new feature: View all character as your favorite race. I want to see everyone as a halfling female!!!! Then you should be perfectly fine if you login and your Dark Elf (just guessing from your avatar) is viewed by everyone else as a halfling? After all it is just an image and it means nothing? If that is correct you must be right After all it is just visual and anyone going against that opinion is just a crybaby. /bows to your superior intellect Message Edited by jordaann on 11-02-2005 11:29 AM

11-02-2005, 10:58 PM	#128
Sufu Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 29	I hope the new models are less laggy in raid situations too, but as it stands, the new models are a bit buggy due to armors not fitting right. Hopefully fixing them will give a small fps boost too. Not all of us are running dual 7800GTX's in SLI mode =( __________________ Intel Core2 Duo [email protected] (340x9) Corsair [email protected] (2:3 divider) eVGA Geforce 7950GX2 WD RaptorX 150GB 10krpm Thermaltake Toughpower 750w PSU Custom Aqua-Computer Watercooled

11-02-2005, 11:06 PM	#129
KerowynnKaotic Tormentor of Fae Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Middle of Nowhere, Arizona Posts: 1,862	firewolf wrote: snipped Consider the general players of the eq2 regarding SOGA 1. Some want to see the entire eq2 in US models 2. Some want to see the entire eq2 in SOGA models 3. Some want to see a mixture of races/gender in US model or SOGA model (which ever they fancy most) snipped You are forgetting ... 4. Some who want to see diversity in the game. Those who are asking .. nay .. begging for more options. Might be a stretch but why not make client side choices ... 1. Original US Models (only) 2. Soga Models (only) 3. Mixture based on Preferences (your choice) (requires slightly more ram) 4. Mixture based Character Choice (Ram Muncher! Very Memory Intensive) and each Character you make/have would have an option to click I want this character's over-ride to be: US Model / Soga Model So .. say I make a new character on one of my other accounts .. I have my US Model Prime Female Wood Elf and I make the new Female Wood Elf but I choose to make her Soga Prime .. I log both in and viola ! On both screens (since I have chose to use the more memory intensive option) I see both a US Wood Elf and a Soga Wood Elf standing next to each other .. I also see "your" Barbarian Male Soga and "joe's" US Barbarian Male wacking on some beetle in Antonica .. But! "Joe" only sees US characters .. and "you" see yourself as a Soga but prefer the Woodelves as US model .. I would have preferred they never authorized these models .. not because I don't like them but because it's SoL all over again. But they are here (or will be) and I really would like them to be presented better than the SoL crap was .. Online Gaming in a MMORPG is all about options .. everyone is screaming for more options so they as a lvl 60 don't look the same as the lvl 50 or a lvl 50 caster doesn't look like my lvl 9 Bard in VLA .. WELL .. here is the way to introduce more options (at least client side) for those who are willing to give up some ram. I have no problem really with you viewing me as only a Soga or US model shrug but I really want to see "you" as you choose and yet I still want to see me as I choose. Is that really such a crime? __________________

11-02-2005, 05:57 PM	#121
Ralengrimdea Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	I think from what I've evaluated is that a feature like this is something that needs more work and implimentation for it to be successful. I like the Soga models but I also completly understand with people that don't want their character portrayed as that. Even though I know it would be a hard thing to do, instead of going the upgraded-eq-1- models method, why could they not spend more time and make it so however the person customizes their character thats what you see. What would be cool in my opinion is to have both models exist in the game and you are only represented by one model. The problem though I heard is these models are more hardware sensitive. Couldn't they add low res textures on these also. What I really think the problem is that this is a great feature that is not being executed well to the public. The problem your going to see on some people is that they like their old models and they probablly won't customize their soga models cause they know how they look and that soga is not what they look like. What would be nice to see is 26 extra models co existing perfectly with the 32 models already in the game. That right there is most cetainly diversification. I mean if I want to look cartoon anime like then I should have the dang right too. I don't want some of the people to pick certain races looking soga and as a result seeing a few people as they don't intend to look. Thats silly. What I would like to see is a old barbarian model and a soga barbarian standing next to each other in combat fighting some creep. Because of not having that option you get the goofy eq 1 echoes of my guy looking like the dang shady swashbuckler in the commonlands tunnel. All I really want him to look like was the new human model I setup. But I can't because some guy didn't like how the new human model looked...But really with eq 1 in that situation I was a bit understanding because the new models were clearly much more hardware intense. If they "could" make these soga models have low res texturing built in so they don't bog down machines just as the current models have and simply add them as seperate files that the person associates that model file with then wouldn't everyone be happy? I mean if you want to bash soga model characters then really isn't that just abuse then?

11-02-2005, 07:46 PM	#123
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	< The point i'm trying to make here is that there should be a way to disable others from seeing you as a SOGA model, > Would you like to set my other graphics settings too? How about we set everyone to Extreme Performance, just so they can see your char the way it should be seen. No, wait, that's unreasonable. You control your client, I'll control mine, k?

11-02-2005, 08:03 PM	#125
Stavenh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 825	blynchehaun wrote:< The point i'm trying to make here is that there should be a way to disable others from seeing you as a SOGA model, > Would you like to set my other graphics settings too? How about we set everyone to Extreme Performance, just so they can see your char the way it should be seen. No, wait, that's unreasonable. You control your client, I'll control mine, k? Here is the solution. Everyone that wants to force others to see thier avatar as they want should simply offer to pay for other peoples accounts. Then they can set the stipulation on how the graphics settings HAVE to be set.

11-02-2005, 10:24 PM	#127
Naggyba Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 518	Well, I ran through QH wiht all old models on and then ran through QH with all SOGA models on and it was MUCH smoother to me. I could tell a big difference when runing with all SOGA models on.

11-02-2005, 11:41 PM	#130
Dimgroth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 214	I dont want to see your craptastic us models, sorry, but no thanks, thats in the past for me, thank god. __________________ -------------------------------------------------------- Nothing can stop me now, cause I dont care, anymore..

11-03-2005, 12:44 AM	#131
Zyphius Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 544	jordaann wrote: putergod wrote: jordaann wrote: My only real issue with the SOGA models is the fact they can not be customized any near the level of the current models. MG response to this is "that is what was intended". So their new feature is designed to reduce my ability to customize my character. You should be happy you even have them. MG already said that these models were NOT, I repeat NOT made for the US market. They were intended SOLELY for the asian market. SOE is being NICE by "allowing" the OPTION to use the models that are not even intended for your use to begin with, because some people "liked them". They are NOT going to "change" the SOGA models to benefit YOU. They are NOT even FOR your benefit to begin with!! They are not INTENDED for your use, SUGGESTED for your use, OR EXPECTED for your use. They are MERELY an OPTION for those people who "really like them". If you don't like the fact they arent as customizable, DON'T USE THEM!!! All these crybabies make me sick! SOE new feature: View all character as your favorite race. I want to see everyone as a halfling female!!!! Then you should be perfectly fine if you login and your Dark Elf (just guessing from your avatar) is viewed by everyone else as a halfling? After all it is just an image and it means nothing? If that is correct you must be right After all it is just visual and anyone going against that opinion is just a crybaby. Wouldn't bother me none.. as I can see me the way I want. I don't give a rat's [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] how you see me, as I am not the one that has to look at your monitor. /bows to your superior intellect As you should... Message Edited by jordaann on 11-02-2005 11:29 AM __________________ Exalted Zyphius Most'Dieus, Destroyer of Fairies, 80 Wizard/80 Sage of Unrest Arion Cessation, 26 Necro of Unrest Twilight Raiders

11-03-2005, 01:00 AM	#132
Za General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,084	jordaann wrote:My only real issue with the SOGA models is the fact they can not be customized any near the level of the current models. MG response to this is "that is what was intended". So their new feature is designed to reduce my ability to customize my character. NO! You can see whatever YOU want to see. Your char will not look ANY different to you!

11-03-2005, 02:10 AM	#133
beylanu Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 75	Well, for me, I think SOGA halfling females are ugly. I don't want others seeing me like that. However....If SOE gave me the option to force my oldstyle halfling look on others, in all fairness, they should allow the SOGA fans to force their SOGA look on me as well. Personally I wouldn't want that. I want to play this game as if SOGA never occurred. Which means not allowing others to dictate how I see them(from a SOGA/non-SOGA standpoint). So with that in mind, I think it's reasonable that I cannot force others to see me in my beautiful non-SOGA form.Oh well...compromise is such a hard thing to accept. I'm ok with SOE's stance on this.

11-03-2005, 02:14 AM	#134
jordaann Tester Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 114	Ok I just do not know, either people just do not like the perspective I am presenting or maybe I am not using the right words to explain it. When you create a character you choose the avatar that will represent you in the world of EQ2. Disregarding the stat differences between races you are left with the visual image representing your character to the world of Norrath. It does not seem to me that it is a totaly outlandish idea to believe that the image of your avatar affects how you are recieved by other characters you come accross in norrath. It is very true that each and every player has the ability to control the quality of the images in the game they pay to play. However I would still say that significant changes to that avatar (or the way others see it) can affect my game play. Personally I like most of the new models but I do object to the reduction of customization features available on the new models. This reduction will permit another user to percieve my character completely different than I intended. For example that ring my ratonga (yes i know there is no ratonga soga model) wears in his lip may have been torn from an important enemy, which now is not there in the soga models. I am not saying I am against implementation of the soga models, I am saying I would much prefer to see at least the same level of customization on soga models that we currently enjoy on the existing models. I am quite out of breath and energy attempting to present a point on deaf ears, I am sure SOE will use their best judgement while implementing this to the live servers Best of luck to everyone I hope you get as much out of EQ2 as I do. Even if you don't have the same view about this specific issue as I do

11-03-2005, 02:39 AM	#135
Nainitsuj Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Emerald Server Posts: 525	WOOT!! Can't wait. Auto Assault is released in a few months. Burn in hell SOGA.

11-03-2005, 04:16 AM	#136
chadesh Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 10	AbsentmindedMage wrote: chadesh wrote: how about making SOGA models a option for download. I personally don't even want them on my comp. Its a stretch, but there might be a time that you will see them. This is really getting insane, so now people do not even want the soga models downloading to their computer and being on their harddrive. Do you realize how childish that sounds? What will happen if you accidentally see your character in the SOGA style? Will you explode? :smileytongue: chadesh wrote: Some people might take screenys for a event or something and capture the SOGA models and not relize it when they didnt intend on it. Personally I wish I could turn my name off so no one else can see my name unless they target me. There is no difference between this and the person who is taking the screenshot having their settings to low or using /cutemode. I am sure that when a person takes a screenshot they will know exactly what models they are using. So, they are not going to go omg, what have i done I took a screenshot with soga models on. As for your name not showing, that is also an option for the individual player to decide if he/she wants to see other players names all the time or just when targetting. It has nothing to do with being parnoid, but it has to do with what I need to accually run the game. If I don't use it I don't want it. Like the sound and music files they aren't needed to run the game. So I don't need them on my computer, because I don't have sound even on. I turn the music and sound off since release and have no intention to turn it back on. If it's not needed for my injoyment of the game then keep it off my computer. its just that simple.

11-03-2005, 04:48 AM	#137
Cranber General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20	What really bothers me is that I can't choose this pointy hat for my gnome with SOGA models. In fact, I love this hat and love to make jokes about it with my friends. I even consider it as a part of me, something like an icon, or a symbol for me. (ok to make fun of me. I'm used to it. :p but you can't change the fact that I love it.) I also love my sunglasses. They give me looks of sophistication and also a bit of arrogance. I just love my gnome to be looked that way. Unfortunately, however I try to make a SOGA gnome even remotely similar to my original, it just seems too dull for me. Yes, it's true. SOGA models are seriously lack of variation and accessaries and I don't like them at all. I've been playing alot of Asian fantasy games and compared to them, SOGA models are completely third-rated and I don't understand why they didn't hire better designers for them. Personally I don't want people to see me that way, but on the other hand I don't want to see other people that way either. So fair enough for me. No forced-look options. __________________

11-03-2005, 05:04 AM	#138
Sordia Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 83	All I keep hearing in my head is the skit in Roseanne where John Goodman is pretending he is DJ, rocking back and forth saying over and over again: "They say she's the same, but she isn't the same" Message Edited by Sordia on 11-02-2005 04:06 PM Message Edited by Sordia on 11-02-2005 04:07 PM

11-03-2005, 05:28 AM	#139
Za General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,084	jordaann wrote:Ok I just do not know, either people just do not like the perspective I am presenting or maybe I am not using the right words to explain it. When you create a character you choose the avatar that will represent you in the world of EQ2. Disregarding the stat differences between races you are left with the visual image representing your character to the world of Norrath. It does not seem to me that it is a totaly outlandish idea to believe that the image of your avatar affects how you are recieved by other characters you come accross in norrath. It is very true that each and every player has the ability to control the quality of the images in the game they pay to play. However I would still say that significant changes to that avatar (or the way others see it) can affect my game play. Personally I like most of the new models but I do object to the reduction of customization features available on the new models. This reduction will permit another user to percieve my character completely different than I intended. For example that ring my ratonga (yes i know there is no ratonga soga model) wears in his lip may have been torn from an important enemy, which now is not there in the soga models. I am not saying I am against implementation of the soga models, I am saying I would much prefer to see at least the same level of customization on soga models that we currently enjoy on the existing models. I am quite out of breath and energy attempting to present a point on deaf ears, I am sure SOE will use their best judgement while implementing this to the live servers Best of luck to everyone I hope you get as much out of EQ2 as I do. Even if you don't have the same view about this specific issue as I do You can say whatever you want about your char and your chars history etc... But what it comes down to, is your right to present a look doesn't equal someone elses right to see what they want to see. If someone came up with a mod that let EQ toons look like X-Men chars, there would be some people that would want to use X-Men models! You control a great degree of what your char's appearance is, but don't think that means you have absolute control. In this case you will not.

11-03-2005, 05:56 AM	#140
Stavenh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 825	jordaann wrote: Ok I just do not know, either people just do not like the perspective I am presenting or maybe I am not using the right words to explain it. When you create a character you choose the avatar that will represent you in the world of EQ2. Disregarding the stat differences between races you are left with the visual image representing your character to the world of Norrath. It does not seem to me that it is a totaly outlandish idea to believe that the image of your avatar affects how you are recieved by other characters you come accross in norrath. It is very true that each and every player has the ability to control the quality of the images in the game they pay to play. However I would still say that significant changes to that avatar (or the way others see it) can affect my game play. Personally I like most of the new models but I do object to the reduction of customization features available on the new models. This reduction will permit another user to percieve my character completely different than I intended. For example that ring my ratonga (yes i know there is no ratonga soga model) wears in his lip may have been torn from an important enemy, which now is not there in the soga models. I am not saying I am against implementation of the soga models, I am saying I would much prefer to see at least the same level of customization on soga models that we currently enjoy on the existing models. I am quite out of breath and energy attempting to present a point on deaf ears, I am sure SOE will use their best judgement while implementing this to the live servers Best of luck to everyone I hope you get as much out of EQ2 as I do. Even if you don't have the same view about this specific issue as I do You have lost some of you grip on reality it seems. It's a game. Your acting like it's real.

11-03-2005, 06:10 AM	#141
dread du General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	beylanu wrote:Well, for me, I think SOGA halfling females are ugly. I don't want others seeing me like that. However....If SOE gave me the option to force my oldstyle halfling look on others, in all fairness, they should allow the SOGA fans to force their SOGA look on me as well. Personally I wouldn't want that. I want to play this game as if SOGA never occurred. Which means not allowing others to dictate how I see them(from a SOGA/non-SOGA standpoint). So with that in mind, I think it's reasonable that I cannot force others to see me in my beautiful non-SOGA form.Oh well...compromise is such a hard thing to accept. I'm ok with SOE's stance on this. well said, it would be nice if all the people who support the OP would just read this comment, and understand what it means. __________________

11-03-2005, 04:40 PM	#142
Pathin Merrithay Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 473	In real life, when someone who wears sunglasses looks at you, they don't see the same things that another person without will. Sure, the physicalities may be there, but the perception is radically different. Are you going to be upset that someone wearing sunglasses can't make out the subtle shade of orange you picked out today? Will you demand they take them off so that they can see your outfit as you intended it to be? Heavens I hope not. The SOGA models are physically different, yes, but you have no right to say how I want to perceive a game running on my computer. You can customize it as best you can, which I think is quite the ability regardless. A RL comment comes to mind.. You hands have the freedom to do almost anything they'd like... But they lose that freedom the second they think about connecting someone's nose with a fist. You have the right to customize your model, but have no right to tell me how I want to look at it. It's -my- computer.

11-03-2005, 05:24 PM	#143
Twizzel Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 122	Pathin Merrithay wrote: A RL comment comes to mind.. You hands have the freedom to do almost anything they'd like... But they lose that freedom the second they think about connecting someone's nose with a fist. You have the right to customize your model, but have no right to tell me how I want to look at it. It's -my- computer. So, I should just let you choose my avatar for the game I play? I think not. It would be akin to you telling me how to cut my hair and what clothes to wear in RL...to use your analogy. Personally, it doesn't bother me one way or the other and doubt it will change my perceptions on the current problems with this game...like how about fixing myriad other things before worrying about models for a niche market. But what I fail to understand is why you folks don't understand that those that don't like the anime look are entitled to their opinions as much as you are. I will wait and see what this does to my characters appearance and just add that to the pros/cons list of whether I choose to keep paying SoE to play this game. If it turns my characters into cartoons ala WoW, I'll be done (after all, if I wanted to play WoW, I would be playing WoW). Since this game markets itself as an mmoRPG, and one of the things about RPG means "I" get to choose how I roleplay my character, which includes how I look to others. If I no longer have that option, it is just another nail in the coffin...then again, I might really like the SOGA models for my characters. However, that is not the point...

11-03-2005, 05:37 PM	#144
Dimgroth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 214	go ahead and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and refuse to even make a decent soga version of yourself for your own worries, ill still think your soga model version of you looks better by far on most, unless you have complete lack of caring for how your character looks and dont take time to make both u.s version and soga version of self look good to best of your judgement. (even if you dont like it, you can get SOMETHING good from SOGA so people who like such can view it and admire ) __________________ -------------------------------------------------------- Nothing can stop me now, cause I dont care, anymore..

11-03-2005, 06:16 PM	#145
jordaann Tester Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 114	As far as I am concerned I do not want to tell anyone what model they should use, after all it is THEIR pc. All I want is the ability to control the image that is my character, how that character is percieved is up to the setting on each person computer and their mind. I will not say how you should percieve my character but don't prevent me from presenting my character in the manner I want.

11-03-2005, 08:06 PM	#146
Elyssia Fansite Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14	Quote Jordaann...... As far as I am concerned I do not want to tell anyone what model they should use, after all it is THEIR pc. All I want is the ability to control the image that is my character, how that character is percieved is up to the setting on each person computer and their mind. I will not say how you should percieve my character but don't prevent me from presenting my character in the manner I want. ************************************************ *** Agreed 100% on this matter. I did NOT make my character to look like some second-rate WoW refugee with rubber ears and do not want people to see her this way either!!!

11-03-2005, 08:26 PM	#147
daeneriez Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 66	before (on the right): this is the character that i have played since last Christmas; my main, a 57th level templar (stripping down only for comparison's sake, don't get any ideas :smileywink: ). to me, she is quite lovely with her up-turned nose, her blatently dyed hair, and her rosey cheeks. this is what i wanted others to see me as, while i adventured in Norrath. i like the character, what can i say? after (on the left): this is the character that took me nearly 45 minutes to create. while she has her good points, such as those fabulas ears and the big almond eyes (im such a sucker), the hair-color was unable to be matched to my current character. not for lack of it appearing on the color pallet, mind you, it was there. it just looked different both in-game and on the character selection screen. not only that, but the hairstyle chosen was the only hairstyle that wasn't down, wild, or in her face; suddenly the ladies of Castleview don't know how to style their hair? i was un-able to upturn her nose, which i think is part of the whole snobby high elven attitude, or make her any darker skinned than she currently is. but all of that aside, the thing i have the problem with is her limbs. look at the legs (the right one shows it more than the left, because the clothing is draped in the way). this is perhaps what bothers me most of all about the model, she looks like she is starving, anerexic, and sickly. i am personally going to stick to the old models. i do wish, however, that rather than creating these SOGA models they would have combined them with current models. i would love to add a curve to my main character's ears, and have those lovely eyes. best of both worlds, that way. (edited to say: this is a feedback forum, folks. this is the feedback that others are giving about something that is currently live on the test server. complaining because they are giving their feedback is a little strange. you can offer your own opinion, but "u suck cuz u don't agree with me"? perhaps if you didn't read the feedback forums, you wouldn't be so annoyed by other people's opinions about in-game things. your opinion is yours, my opinion is mine. and some people do give constructive solutions.) Message Edited by daeneriez on 11-03-2005 04:54 PM __________________ Elisabetta Elysium Guild Hall (T2, Qeynos - Lucan D'Lere Server) Vyne's Place (One Room in the Willow Wood) Darkmere Manor (5 room manor in South Qeynos)

11-03-2005, 08:27 PM	#148
crunchybob Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 26	I'll post it again since there seems to be eight thousand posts on this subject. I know people in eq1 that still have pre-Luclin models on for improved performance, I know people who run this game at max performance instead of max graphics - it all changes how you look to others, get over it already. I think about half of the SOGA models are improvements and I think half of them look like used toilet paper. I'll enable the ones I like and not enable it on the others. It's a game it's a game It's A Game It's A Game IT'S A GAME IT'S A GAME IT'S A GAME IT'S A GAME So let's whine and complain ad nauseum because I don't like something that other people do. And if you do get it changed (not likely) and they remove the SOGA models, what about all of the people that wanted them that also pay for thier subscriptions? Or don't they matter because YOU got what YOU wanted? God, the arrogance. Sony will do what Sony will do and there really is only one way to influence that, by not paying for it. __________________ Igio - Mystic and officer of Aeternus - Oasis server ."if you are flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit." - Mitch Hedberg 1968-2005 RIP

11-03-2005, 08:43 PM	#149
daeneriez Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 66	If someone came up with a mod that let EQ toons look like X-Men chars, there would be some people that would want to use X-Men models! no! don't give them ideas like that! we will just have this situation, all over again. while it is off-topic, i am curious, would they go with the X-men movie models (the ones that featured Hugh Jackman, Halley Barry, etc), or would they go with old comic book style characters in the yellow spandex? __________________ Elisabetta Elysium Guild Hall (T2, Qeynos - Lucan D'Lere Server) Vyne's Place (One Room in the Willow Wood) Darkmere Manor (5 room manor in South Qeynos)

11-03-2005, 08:45 PM	#150
Sir Ka Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7	Ok i think I found why the female legs are so thin. Look at a female elf whos wearing light armor, they allready have those skinny legs! the model creators of SOGA must have looked at this and translated this to the female characters without armor on.