The Nine Prophets

[Cyanbane]

In Today's GU #25 Notes there states:<i><span class="newsbody">Enlightened by recent events on the island of Mara, nine elect Norrathians have begun a spiritual quest prophesying the return of the very gods themselves! </span></i><span class="newsbody">Are we to assume that the nin people who are listed directly below this are the 9 prophets? or are those just people who happened to have wandered in this specific GU as well?</span><i><span class="newsbody">ie:</span></i><span class="newsbody">- <b>Nosno the Naysayer </b>is now simply Nosno. He finally found his way to the Commonlands where he has given up his dream of collecting a harem and now lodges with the kerra in the village southwest of the Crossroads. - <b>ZaZa Lenska</b> and her husband have moved out of Temple Street and into the Commonlands with the ratonga. - <b>Crispin</b> has taken his search for fresh recruits into the Sprawl, conveniently much closer to the trials he subjects potential recruits to. - <b>Manius</b> has left Beggar's Court to be closer to the action. He can now be found in Sunken City. - <b>Tilzak</b> has taken his pretend search for shark fins to the Sunken City. - <b>Zekvila </b>has taken up residence in the Graveyard. - <b>Sir Alesso</b> can now be found in Antonica. - <b>Daryann Stormrider</b> can now be found in Windstalker Village in Antonica. - <b>Kregnok Legbreaker</b> is back in the Commonlands. </span><div></div>

[Dreyco]

Something instills doubt in me... For instance, Crispin is a member of a Freeport Gang, and hardly a prophet in any regard.  Several others listed don't fit much either... leaving me a bit curious as to just who these "prophets" could be. <div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

I'm pretty sure all those people are newbie quest givers that they moved out to be closer to where they want the adventurer to go. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Lonissa]

<div><blockquote><hr>RaphaNissi wrote:I'm pretty sure all those people are newbie quest givers that they moved out to be closer to where they want the adventurer to go. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>Yep, read about that here: <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=59106&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=59106&view=by_date_ascending&page=1</a></div>

[EQ2Playa432]

This is very interesting. I wonder if they give us quests?<div></div>

[Jaale]

<P>I would say no..</P> <P>mostly as someone who does not appear on those lists has already been chosen for M. Marr and Inny..</P> <P>also it seems to be heavily in favor of evil side and I would expect it to be more even (3 good 3 evil 3 neutral.)</P>

[Cyanbane]

Ok, so this begs the question:Who are the Nine?  And Where are They?<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Rallos Zek's representative is found in Zek.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Innoruuk's representative is found in Freeport.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mithanial Marr's reprentative is found in North Qeynos</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tunare's representative is found in Elddar Grove</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cazic Thule's representative is found in Cazic Thule.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm really REALLY HOPING that Quellious is the 3rd good god, and I haven't heard anything about the neutral gods yet.</DIV>

[EQ2Playa432]

<div></div>I think I found one. Located in the Eldarr Grove:<img src="http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/1640/a1jg.jpg" height="497" width="676"><div></div><p>Message Edited by EQ2Playa432 on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:46 PM</span>

[andersonim]

<P>ok here's another one. found in nq by the castle stairs.</P> <P><IMG src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/xanndarr/EQ2_000928.jpg"></P> <P><BR> </P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Uhh. I've already listed where Tunare, Mithanial Marr, Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, and Rallos Zek can be found...</DIV>

[EQ2Playa432]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Uhh. I've already listed where Tunare, Mithanial Marr, Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, and Rallos Zek can be found...</div><hr></blockquote>I posted mine the same time you posted yours!</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Sorry. my bad. Didn't realize that two different people decided to post screenshots like that.</DIV>

[EQ2Playa432]

<div><span>:smileyhappy:</span><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Sorry. my bad. Didn't realize that two different people decided to post screenshots like that.</div><hr></blockquote></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div></div>Oracle of Flames is found in Lavastorm in the Temple area.  Solusek Robtw, he has a pretty darn cool staff <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:48 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR> Oracle of Flames is found in Lavastorm in the Temple area.  Solusek Ro<BR><BR>btw, he has a pretty darn cool staff <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <P>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <SPAN class=date_text>07-13-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:48 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I had a feeling that Solusek Ro would be found in Lavastorm.</P> <P>I suspect that Bristlebane will be found in Enchanted Lands or Rivervale, and The Tribunal in Everfrost.</P>

[KniteShayd]

Quellious' in SS then? Who's in EF? NEK?<p>Message Edited by KniteShayd on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:56 PM</span>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><div></div><blockquote><div></div><div></div> <hr></blockquote><p>I suspect that Bristlebane will be found in Enchanted Lands or Rivervale, and The Tribunal in Everfrost.</p><hr></blockquote>I had the same thought.  Heading there next <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote:<BR> Quellious' in SS then? Who's in EF? NEK? <P>Message Edited by KniteShayd on <SPAN class=date_text>07-13-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:56 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The 9 reprentatives are not found in either of the expansions because that would be restricting people from accessing them if they don't have those expansions.</P> <P> </P> <P>That rules Sinking Sands and Pillars of Flames out, but finding Quellious' representative among the Ashen Order would make sense.</P>

[Homeskillet]

<div></div>In Lavastorm, Temple of Solusek Ro (go figure)<img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Solufein/EQ2_000140-1.jpg"><div></div><p>Message Edited by Homeskillet on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:18 PM</span>

[Pyrrhx]

<DIV>Cusa Cusa Cusa.. maybe you should ask your Sensei about Quellious..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sensei Makoto Shoda (Brother of Peace) --> Herald of Quellious; Eldar Grove in the Silent fist Dojo.</DIV>

[KniteShayd]

<P>Ideally, yes. but live events happen that eventually exclude those that have not purchased exp pax or adv pax. look at split paw, only those with the pre-purchase could do the shard thing and get kidnapped.  </P> <P>Being that EoF is coming, it may require you have access to some locations for it's content.</P> <P>Quellious' avatar should be in a DoF zone.  if it's not then thatd suck. i could see it being in elddar though, in makoto's pond side dojo. </P>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pyrrhx wrote:<BR> <DIV>Cusa Cusa Cusa.. maybe you should ask your Sensei about Quellious..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sensei Makoto Shoda (Brother of Peace) --> Herald of Quellious; Eldar Grove in the Silent fist Dojo.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>SEE!

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pyrrhx wrote:<BR> <DIV>Cusa Cusa Cusa.. maybe you should ask your Sensei about Quellious..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sensei Makoto Shoda (Brother of Peace) --> Herald of Quellious; Eldar Grove in the Silent fist Dojo.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Maybe you shouldn't rub my face in it like that.

[RaphaNissi]

I've run around most of EL, Rivervale, EF, and Perma but found nothing.<div></div>

[troodon]

<DIV>Danak is the Prophet of Cazic!  How cool is that?</DIV>

[Punkbr]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Rallos Zek's representative is found in Zek.</div> <div> </div> <div>Innoruuk's representative is found in Freeport.</div> <div> </div> <div>Mithanial Marr's reprentative is found in North Qeynos</div> <div> </div> <div>Tunare's representative is found in Elddar Grove</div> <div> </div> <div>Cazic Thule's representative is found in Cazic Thule.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>I'm really REALLY HOPING that Quellious is the 3rd good god, and I haven't heard anything about the neutral gods yet.</div><hr></blockquote>Adding Solusek Ro in...The question is, is Solusek neutral this time, or has he given in to his whiny childish nature and gone over to evil?  Also, I really REALLY hope Quellious is back, she played such a major role in the original lore...Rallos Zek might be neutral this time, considering that technically he should have been in the first place, but most likely not.Karana is also back, I hope, as well as Bertoxxulous</div>

[Falcor1]

I found this in another thread: " <SPAN>The Herald of Hate can be found next to the </SPAN><SPAN>Temple</SPAN><SPAN> of </SPAN><SPAN>War</SPAN><SPAN> - </SPAN><SPAN>North Freeport"</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN> <P><FONT color=#000000><SPAN>The Herald of Hate can be found next to the </SPAN><SPAN>Temple</SPAN><SPAN> of </SPAN><SPAN>War</SPAN><SPAN> - </SPAN><SPAN>North Freeport</SPAN></FONT><SPAN></SPAN></P>Anyone find any more in Freeport?  I bet there is one more in Freeport to even it off with Qeynos and that would be the nine.

[Scrav]

<blockquote><hr>Falcor1 wrote:<div></div>I found this in another thread: " <span>The Herald of Hate can be found next to the </span><span>Temple</span><span> of </span><span>War</span><span> - </span><span>North Freeport"</span><span></span> <p><font color="#000000"><span>The Herald of Hate can be found next to the </span><span>Temple</span><span> of </span><span>War</span><span> - </span><span>North Freeport</span></font><span></span></p>Anyone find any more in Freeport?  I bet there is one more in Freeport to even it off with Qeynos and that would be the nine.<hr></blockquote> That would be Innoruuk.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>*EHEM*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OK NOW!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's a list of the 9 gods who will be available to worship at the start of Echoes of Feydwere.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6699ff>1. Quellious - Elddar Grove</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6699ff>2. Mithanial Marr - North Qeynos</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6699ff>3. Tunare - Elddar Grove</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0033>4. Innoruuk - North Freeport</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0033>5. Cazic Thule - Temple of Cazic Thule</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0033>6. Rallos Zek - Zek</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66>7. Brell Serilis - Blackburrow</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66>8. Solusek Ro - Lavastorm</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66>9. ?????</FONT></DIV> <DIV>10. PROFIT!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It should be pointed out that all of these prophets and heralds are found in the old-world zones only, so get to it and find that last neutral god.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(FYI: Solusek has always been neutral. He will be good or evil as he sees fit in order to gain power. Many past events showed him being being evil, but that doesn't mean he is.)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:16 PM</span>

[RPZip]

Hmm...Veeshan (Everfrost/Permafrost)Bristlebane (Enchanted Lands/Rivervale)One of the two... probably Bristlebane, since he's a more traditional god to worship than Veeshan is (at least for the mortal races in Norrath).<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I checked all over Everfrost and Enchanted Lands. Nothing. I didn't look in Rivervale or Nektulos Forest though.</DIV>

[RPZip]

I'm gonna check Rivervale in a little bit if I don't get ganked (PvP server). My instinct is to check the little stage in the bottom of the bar towards the eastern edge of Rivervale.<div></div>

[Sedden]

<DIV>/qoute <DIV>*EHEM*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OK NOW!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's a list of the 9 gods who will be available to worship at the start of Echoes of Feydwere.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6699ff>1. Quellious - Elddar Grove</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6699ff>2. Mithanial Marr - North Qeynos</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6699ff>3. Tunare - Elddar Grove</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0033>4. Innoruuk - North Freeport</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0033>5. Cazic Thule - Temple of Cazic Thule</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0033>6. Rallos Zek - Zek</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66>7. Brell Serilis - Blackburrow</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66>8. Solusek Ro - Lavastorm</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66>9. ?????</FONT></DIV> <DIV>10. PROFIT!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It should be pointed out that all of these prophets and heralds are found in the old-world zones only, so get to it and find that last neutral god.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(FYI: Solusek has always been neutral. He will be good or evil as he sees fit in order to gain power. Many past events showed him being being evil, but that doesn't mean he is.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/endqoute</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Honeslty im hoping the last Prophet is Karana. Otherwise my Halfling Fury is going to be MIGHTY UPSET =) It would also fit in your alignment there of 3 good 3 evil and 3 neuts. Since Karana always was and seemed to be a Neutral god</DIV><p>Message Edited by Sedden on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:00 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div> this last prophet has really got me stumped, I've been looking all day and haven't found him.  Here's where I've tried looking so far to see if it gives anyone else an idea where else to search:Stormhold and the Thundering Steppes: These would be the most likely places to find a prophet of KaranaEnchanted Lands and Rivervale: Where a prophet of Bristlebane would likely be, although I wasn't able to search the deepest sections of RVthe coastlines: for a prophet of Prexus, but I probably missed some beaches somehereEverfost: Only place I could think of where a prophet of the Tribunal would be foundThose are the only places I could think of that I could search.  The only other thing I can think of is to search Permafrost or Solusek's Eye for a prophet of Veeshan, but I can't safely explore those places.  Anyone have any idea where else to look?<div></div>

[Xxile]

<DIV> <DIV>"Danak is the Prophet of Cazic!  How cool is that?"</DIV> <DIV>Where in CT is he?</DIV></DIV>

[Whazy]

<DIV>Seems like there should be at least 1 more in Freeport somewhere.  3 in Qeynos, 1 in Freeport.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Whazy]

<P>All of the deities so far played a bigger role in the Tome of Destiny - the lore before EQ2.  Karana was one of those gods.  He sent the Avatar of Storms to assist the Norrathians.  Karana's prophet must be around somewhere.</P> <P>Brell's prophet makes mention of the gnolls' plight during the great war against the Rallosian army.  I'd wager good plat that Karana is the 9th.</P><p>Message Edited by Whazy on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:44 PM</span>

[Dramadon]

Karana was allied with Tunare and sent his avatar to aid the Qeynosian and Freeport forces during the Rallosian War. He is not a neutral God.<div></div>

[troodon]

That doesn't mean anything, Solusek was allied with Zek during the conflict while Cazic was the one that allowed the goodies to win with the release of the Greenmist.  The Second Rallosian War went beyond generic good/evil/neutral classifications of the deities.<p>Message Edited by troodon on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:06 PM</span>

[RaphaNissi]

Searched Runnyeye and nothing....this is one elusive herald.  /sigh<div></div>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div> Yeah, unless he's sitting in a random house in Rivervale or in the Drafling's tower, I'm starting to doubt that the last prophet is Bristlebane's.<div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

Just got done searching the tower and nothing....  You think they would be so cruel as to have it be Prexus's herald and be underwater?  I can't believe no one knows yet where this ninth one is....<div></div>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div> I think if it was Prexus the prophet would be on a beach or island, and I've checked most of those. The only one I haven't checked that I remember was the northern bay in Everfrost.  I also tried the siren's shrine in TS just to be sure<div></div>

[Sedden]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Whazy wrote:<BR> <P>All of the deities so far played a bigger role in the Tome of Destiny - the lore before EQ2.  Karana was one of those gods.  He sent the Avatar of Storms to assist the Norrathians.  Karana's prophet must be around somewhere.</P> <P>Brell's prophet makes mention of the gnolls' plight during the great war against the Rallosian army.  I'd wager good plat that Karana is the 9th.</P> <P>Message Edited by Whazy on <SPAN class=date_text>07-13-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:44 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Karana has always been a "Neutral" god. Just because he sided with Quellious in the war doesn't mean he always on the good side. He was basically forced to the good side because deep down he knew Rallos wasn't going to keep up his end of the Deal set in the Council. If you don't believe me, reread the Council of the Gods chap of the Tome. At the very end it states, </P> <P>"The gods began to leave the chambers, but Quellious lingered. She noticed as Rallos approached Cazic-Thule and began to whisper something to him, and watched as Solusek Ro did the same to Brell.<BR><BR>Tunare stood next to her. "Is this really the only way?"<BR><BR>"I believe it is," Quellious responded softly. "But I think we need to remain watchful, as not everyone may honor the intent of this pact."<BR><BR>Karana approached the two goddesses. "I have some trepidation in this matter, and I'd wager you feel the same."<BR><BR>"I do," replied Quellious. "But I have another proposal to share with the two of you to ensure our interests are preserved.""</P> <P>Only when Karana's back was against the wall he chose to side with the mortals instead of watching their destruction. He was all well and good to just withdrawal his influence and be done with it. I mean saying Karana isn't Neutral. Is like saying Solusek isn't nuet but evil too</P> <P>But with all the searching i doubt Karana is the 9th Prophet. Its elusive 9th prophet either forgot to listen to the god and make his beliefs heard in the world or the devs forgot him. I mean people have search almost everywhere..... Where will he be</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Sedden on <span class=date_text>07-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:09 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div> Anyone here have Permafrost and Solusek's Eye greyed out and want to see if there's a prophet of Veeshan in there?  Those the only other places I can think of and I can't safely explore them<div></div>

[Sedden]

I say we go to San Deigo, camp outside SOE Headquarters, wait for Vhalen to come to work, then jump him and torture him until he tells us where his elusive 9th prophet is before we all go insane

[Sedden]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR>  Anyone here have Permafrost and Solusek's Eye greyed out and want to see if there's a prophet of Veeshan in there?  Those the only other places I can think of and I can't safely explore them<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Honeslty i serious doubt it will and ever be a Veeshan deity i mean unless the devs are bored. Veeshan is one of those elusive gods who really didn't have any worishippers except her brood she deposited on Norrath and hasn't been back or heard from since in lore

[Mirander_1]

<div></div> I agree, but I'm just completely out of ideas for the more logical gods.  I mean, all the other prophets were fairly easy to find by just thinking of places that had a connection to that god, and that's not working with this last one.  I'm actually starting to wonder if there was a bug that caused this last one to fail to spawn<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Beyond all "lore" reasons for one to be there, can anyone say they've scoured every inch of Nektulos for anything?</DIV>

[Punkbr]

One possibility no one's come up with yet...What if the last god is Druzzil Ro? She didn't play a big part in the Tome of Destiny, but she was a major player in EQ Lore.Rodcet seems like a distant possibility, mostly because he'd be a Good Diety, and those three are covered.The only dieties to have come about via EQ2 are all evil, as well. :<div></div>

[Paladin776]

<P>I'm kinda surprised and a little confused. The Herald of Valor showing up in North Qeynos? When the spirit of the God he's following is located in Freeport?  (The Graveyard.)  Granted, the locating of that particular Herald is Qeynos is probably safer. </P> <P>Also, my confusion stems from the fact that Karana isn't represented in Qeynos, even with all the Karana references. (The Fountain of Storms and the building behind it in South Qeynos, the fact that the continent containing Qeynos, Antonica and Thundering (hey...another Karana reference, not to mention that TS used to be what was known as "The Plains of Karana") Steppes is called "Karan", Stormhold having once been the home of the Knights of Thunder, who used to be located in South Qeynos, as I recall...Near the Grounds of Fate, if memory serves.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Paladin776 wrote:<BR> <P>I'm kinda surprised and a little confused. The Herald of Valor showing up in North Qeynos? When the spirit of the God he's following is located in Freeport?  (The Graveyard.) </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Spirit of the remnants of the guild who worshipped Mithanial Marr...

[Jaale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Paladin776 wrote:<BR> <P>I'm kinda surprised and a little confused. The Herald of Valor showing up in North Qeynos? When the spirit of the God he's following is located in Freeport?  (The Graveyard.)  Granted, the locating of that particular Herald is Qeynos is probably safer. </P> <P>Also, my confusion stems from the fact that Karana isn't represented in Qeynos, even with all the Karana references. (The Fountain of Storms and the building behind it in South Qeynos, the fact that the continent containing Qeynos, Antonica and Thundering (hey...another Karana reference, not to mention that TS used to be what was known as "The Plains of Karana") Steppes is called "Karan", Stormhold having once been the home of the Knights of Thunder, who used to be located in South Qeynos, as I recall...Near the Grounds of Fate, if memory serves.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>If you talk to him then the Herald of Valor explains why he is in NQ, it is not the gods spirit that is in the graveyard but some old and failing enchantments thats is all. He also makes reference to having a spy in FP.</P> <P>It was that M.Marr had Pally's in Freeport and that Karana had Pallys in Qeynos.</P> <P>I would imagine that the next one would be Karana but then it maybe that the last one we have met already..... Zeb.</P> <P>would be an interesting choice of final Neutral God....</P>

[Themaginator]

<div><blockquote><hr>troodon wrote:<div>Danak is the Prophet of Cazic!  How cool is that?</div><hr></blockquote>who was he i forget </div>

[Themaginator]

wait thats the guy who kidnapped Firiona Vie!?<div></div>

[troodon]

<DIV>Yep</DIV>

[Grozmok]

<div></div>I've searched SE and found nothing, same result with PF (though I'm sure I missed a few spots, not very familiar with that zone except for maybe the first half). Tomorrow (or I guess later today) I'll scour TS, that's definitely where Karana's representitive should be if he is the one we're looking for. Edit: Has anyone looked in Windstalker Village, or Thundermyst Village? <div></div><p>Message Edited by Grozmok on <span class=date_text>07-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:07 AM</span>

[Lonissa]

I've scoured every inch of Permafrost, there is no herald there.<div></div>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Could Zek be neutral and Bertoxxulus be the 3rd evil god?</DIV>

[BrizaOr]

<DIV>Searched through Obelisk & Wailing caves just for sake of searching, didn't find any prophets - might have missed some minor area or two though. Obelisk seemed bit strange though, filled with purple haze & huge shadow portals outside in the cave area... and symbols on walls glowing purple inside - Then again maybe that has been going on there for quite a while. Its ages since I've visited that place last time. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wonder if someone could have hid the missing prophet in the sewer areas on either of the cities.</DIV>

[RoninSenshi]

<DIV>Thanks to the battle of Defiance, Rallos Zek has shown himself to really be in with the evil side and less "Neutral".</DIV>

[Jaale]

<P>No one think it might be Zeb as he is here already?</P> <P>Ok then if it is Karana then have people searched the bridge keep, thundermist village (wouldn't surprise me if it were one of the guardians looking out for the villagers from the Centaur.) Or even the few people at the bottom of the map at the Bandit camp (I rememeber a fairly enagmatic guy down there.) Or just in at the entrance from Antonica where there are a few NPCs. I'm gonig to assume that people have checked all the houses at the dock.</P>

[Emerix]

<DIV>That might explain why noone found the last prophet yet . then again i think the prophets are all on the old world .</DIV>

[Phylok]

What about the sword of Karana's Avatar in stormhold.  Could the heald be near there?

[Cyanbane]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jaale wrote:<div></div> <p>No one think it might be Zeb as he is here already?</p> <p></p><hr></blockquote>you would think that they would have changed his "byline"/"tag" atleast and put some people around him (for him to speak unto).If you guys have screenshots of any of the nine (please chop out your chat text, or I can it doesnt matter) please post here or email me at cyanbane (at) eq2-daily.com, I am trying to get all this categorized and supplimented in our lore <a href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=Everquest_Lore" target=_blank>wiki</a>.</div>

[vinterskugge]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Phylok wrote:<BR> What about the sword of Karana's Avatar in stormhold.  Could the heald be near there?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>There is no prophet in Stormhold.

[Slashflex]

If the last one is bristlebane, it almost certantly has to be in rivervale or the zone in area of the enchanted lands.If the last one is Karana, it almost certantly has to be out wandering the thunderingsteppes.Is the possibily of Rallos Zek being neutral completely ruled out? If not, check the sewers of both qeynos and freeport for Bertox.At work, or I would get right on it.

[Alexandr]

<DIV>Has anyone checked the npc in the west shore of TS that had no dialogue previously? I think he was or is an Unkempt Druid, not sure probably I'm mistaken but he might be the prophet for Karana.</DIV>

[Xanaron]

the prophet for Quellious can be found in Elddar grove in the Monk Dojo <div></div>

[Dregor]

I'm going to check Sunken City for a prophet of Prexus once I finish patching ><<div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Dregor wrote:I'm going to check Sunken City for a prophet of Prexus once I finish patching ><<div></div><hr></blockquote>Checked there already <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Dregor]

Ah well, as I found out myself, nadda there <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Incidently the dialogue for the Seraph of Hate could use the loving touch of an editor.<div></div>

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">The Nameless is about as Neutral as Neutral can get in EQ2 lore. I was hoping he would be choosable. </font></font></font><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Worshipping the Big Bang Theory wouldn't get you much though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, it's been stated how Rallos Zek is an evil god through and through.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For example: On the Sullon Zek server, Rallos Zek was an evil alliance diety along with Bertoxxulous, Innoruuk, and Cazic Thule.</DIV>

[shadowscale]

wonder why all the profits for the good gods are right there in qeynos but two of the three evil profits you have to run everywere.

[Dregor]

Really disappointing that you can't worship Bertox or Rodcet Nife.  The feuding between the factions of those two made for some interesting stuff in EQ1 Qeynos.  Oh well, I'm a Thulian boy at heart anyways <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[thesilverf]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shadowscale wrote:<BR> wonder why all the profits for the good gods are right there in qeynos but two of the three evil profits you have to run everywere.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Potentially  because Lucan, or whatever power controls freeport, wouldn't tolerate it.  Lucan put his foot down on anyone worshiping anythign other than himself.  </P> <P>Qeynos is just a more tolerant place these days. </P>

[Themaginator]

i dunno if yall have noticed this but you know what i realized The Prophet of Valor Sir Bayden is the human in the EQ2 intro cinema that bows down before Antonia and fights the foci and all those trolls thats so cool<div></div>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div> Did anyone search the commonlands?  I only did a quick pass through there to check the druid ring.  I'll go try a more in-depth search there<div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

Has anyone else noticed that the Herald of Hate is an Ayr'Dal?

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dregor wrote:<BR>Really disappointing that you can't worship Bertox or Rodcet Nife.  The feuding between the factions of those two made for some interesting stuff in EQ1 Qeynos.  Oh well, I'm a Thulian boy at heart anyways <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>SoE has never said that these 9 deities will be the only ones that Norrathians can worship.  These 9 are just suggesting the return of the gods.

[Dregor]

<div><blockquote><hr>Astralmage wrote:<div></div>Has anyone else noticed that the Herald of Hate is an Ayr'Dal?<hr></blockquote>Kind of hard not to <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And why not I guess, they could worship Inny in EQ1 if memory serves me correctly.</div>

[Dregor]

<div><blockquote><hr>Whazy wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Dregor wrote:Really disappointing that you can't worship Bertox or Rodcet Nife.  The feuding between the factions of those two made for some interesting stuff in EQ1 Qeynos.  Oh well, I'm a Thulian boy at heart anyways <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>SoE has never said that these 9 deities will be the only ones that Norrathians can worship.  These 9 are just suggesting the return of the gods.<hr></blockquote>True, but I mostly expect it to be that way anyways, at least initially, especially after reading the speech Zebuxoruk gives after you defeat Fallen Dynasty.</div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<P>Yes, Ayr'Dal can worship Innoruuk.</P> <P>I was simply surprised that Innoruuk would chose an Ayr'Dal as his herald.</P>

[Wrapye]

Has anyone checked out the shrine of Prexus in the Sunken City?<div></div>

[Dreyco]

<div></div>OOC: A bit suprised myself that Danak was chosen.  The Cult of the Arisen? Sathir? The one who started all the elven wars upon Kunark by kidnapping the elven princess? This guy had his hands in all of it.  Helped contribute to rough times for the Iksar as a whole. And Cazic picks him as the prophet.  When the Iksar were his children? Yikes. Seems like something that would raise the ire of a lot of Iksar revivalists. I find it odd that a half elf was chosen too for Innoruuk, being the dark elves are... well, Innoruuk's children.  Though... did I hear correctly? Or does this half elf have a lot of power within the dismal rage. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Dreyco on <span class=date_text>07-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:50 PM</span>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>sacremon wrote:Has anyone checked out the shrine of Prexus in the Sunken City?<div></div><hr></blockquote>yep..a hint of where to look would be nice.  *nudges Vhalen*  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dreyco wrote:<BR> OOC:<BR><BR>A bit suprised myself that Danak was chosen.  The Cult of the Arisen? Sathir? The one who started all the elven wars upon Kunark by kidnapping the elven princess? This guy had his hands in all of it.  Helped contribute to rough times for the Iksar as a whole.<BR><BR>And Cazic picks him as the prophet.  When the Iksar were his children? Yikes.<BR>Seems like something that would raise the ire of a lot of Iksar revivalists.<BR><BR>I find it odd that a half elf was chosen too for Innoruuk, being the dark elves are... well, Innoruuk's children.  Though... did I hear correctly? Or does this half elf have a lot of power within the dismal rage.<BR> <P>Message Edited by Dreyco on <SPAN class=date_text>07-14-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:50 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It's the new liberal age of worship: any race can worship as the see fit.

[Slashflex]

Are these actual profits chosen by the god's or more like devout followers who are up and spreading the word of the gods?

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Slashflex wrote:<BR>Are these actual profits chosen by the god's or more like devout followers who are up and spreading the word of the gods?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>A little from column A and a little from column B.  If you listen to their dialog, they believe they were chosen by their gods to spread the word.  If you are a non-believer, you may think they are devoted nutjobs.

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> Has anyone else noticed that the Herald of Hate is an Ayr'Dal?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>And why not, being Ayr'Dal we are shunned and mistreated by High and Dark elf alike.  A weaker mind is subject to his shadow, therefore Innoruuk's teachings can influence the weak.</P> <P>I, myself, am not one to be coerced by his jealous teachings. but i can understand how a Half-Elf feels when treated worse than some. I pity those who can't see beyond the exterior.  They claim enlightenment, but are too in the dark to have an open mind.</P>

[firemonkey5]

Anyone check the Qeynos sewers?

[Fizwi]

<div></div><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">For the record, here's the list of major dieties, broken down:Spoken for already (prophets found):</font></font><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Brell Serilis</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Cazic-Thule</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Innoruuk </b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Mithaniel Marr</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Quellious</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Rallos Zek</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Solusek Ro</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Tunare </b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b><u>9th prophet -- HIgh Probability:</u></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Bristlebane </b>-- decidedly neutral, interesting roles in lore (crazy, story-rich home plane is worth mentioning)<b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Karana</b> -- fairly neutral, prominent role in lore and in many areas of EQ2</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b><u>Moderate Probability:</u></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Bertoxxulous</b> -- decidedly NOT neutral, but his name is too big to ignore...lots of plotlines/live event action in EQL and EQ2 involves him<b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Prexus </b>-- neutral, but not such a big name in either game<b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>The Tribunal </b>-- as neutral as they come, moderate lore involvement</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Veeshan </b>-- neutral, definitely a big name, generally aloof (although she does have a sect in the FP temple)</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b><u>Low Probability:</u></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>E`ci, </b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Povar, </b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Tarew Marr </b>-- elemental gods without big following, triumvirate nature is a little funky for everyday use</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Erollisi Marr </b>-- kind of tagged along with her big bro, as usual</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Fennin Ro </b>-- Solusek already spoken for</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Rodcet Nife </b>-- I checked the pond under the UFO and the koadil wasn't there <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Terris-Thule </b>-- too minor a name<b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>The Nameless </b>-- unworshipable "big bang" <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>The Rathe </b>-- weirdo elemental council, no real following on Norrath</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Xegony </b>-- pretty fairy, but as unlikely as the other elemental deities<font size="2">There are some other gods out there, but they're technically "lesser" gods and rulers of demi-planes, if I got my list right.  They include Druzzil and Ayonae Ro, Luclin, Saryrn, etc...</font></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><div></div>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div> Ok, so I've now searched all of the Commonlands and Nektulos with no luck.  The only overland zone I haven't searched yet is the Feerrott, so I guess I'll head there next<div></div>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> firemonkey5 wrote:<BR> Anyone check the Qeynos sewers?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Checked them all(all 3), nothing new to be found.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Legacy of Ykesha lore (which is part of EQ2 because it happened before players even entered the Plane of Time) states that Innoruuk abandoned the Dark Elves as his "Chosen Race" and decided to create the Luggalds in favor of them. I can understand why a half elf would be Innoruuk's herald because of this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for why only 1 evil god is found in Freeport... well the herald for Rallos Zek specifically says that he was put in Jail for killing a Lucanic Knight with his own helmet, and that he managed to escape and decided to slaughter everyone who stood in his way as he escaped to Zek.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Danak goes on to state his own reasons why he is found inside the Temple of Cazic Thule (and why he has that bad cough).</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

Nothing in the Freeport Sewers either.<div></div>

[Dregor]

The Ayr'Dal prophet of Innoruuk says she is the head of the Dismal Rage, and that she holds considerable sway with Lucan, so there's 2 good reasons right there why she would be the one chosen to bring the word of Innoruuk.  I think we're going to be seeing Bristlebane as the third neutral god.  He's the only one remaining that had a hand in creating the initial playable races of Norrath if memory serves me correctly.<div></div>

[Vollux]

<DIV>Fallen Gate empty of anything new, and vault of the fallen - checked just in case.</DIV>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div> I've now searched all the overland zones and most of the dungeons.  The ones I haven't been to, others have searched.  Vhalen?  Blackguard?  Could we perhaps get even a tiny hint where this last prophet is?  Please<div></div>

[troodon]

<A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/pics/a_luggald_wavemaker.jpg" target=_blank>A Luggald</A>

[Jida]

<div><blockquote><hr>Fizwick wrote:<div></div><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">For the record, here's the list of major dieties, broken down:Spoken for already (prophets found):</font></font><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Brell Serilis</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Cazic-Thule</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Innoruuk </b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Mithaniel Marr</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Quellious</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Rallos Zek</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Solusek Ro</b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Tunare </b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b><u>9th prophet -- HIgh Probability:</u></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Bristlebane </b>-- decidedly neutral, interesting roles in lore (crazy, story-rich home plane is worth mentioning)<b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Karana</b> -- fairly neutral, prominent role in lore and in many areas of EQ2</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b><u>Moderate Probability:</u></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Bertoxxulous</b> -- decidedly NOT neutral, but his name is too big to ignore...lots of plotlines/live event action in EQL and EQ2 involves him<b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Prexus </b>-- neutral, but not such a big name in either game<b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>The Tribunal </b>-- as neutral as they come, moderate lore involvement</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Veeshan </b>-- neutral, definitely a big name, generally aloof (although she does have a sect in the FP temple)</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b><u>Low Probability:</u></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>E`ci, </b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Povar, </b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Tarew Marr </b>-- elemental gods without big following, triumvirate nature is a little funky for everyday use</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Erollisi Marr </b>-- kind of tagged along with her big bro, as usual</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Fennin Ro </b>-- Solusek already spoken for</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Rodcet Nife </b>-- I checked the pond under the UFO and the koadil wasn't there <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Terris-Thule </b>-- too minor a name<b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>The Nameless </b>-- unworshipable "big bang" <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>The Rathe </b>-- weirdo elemental council, no real following on Norrath</font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b></b></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Xegony </b>-- pretty fairy, but as unlikely as the other elemental deities<font size="2">There are some other gods out there, but they're technically "lesser" gods and rulers of demi-planes, if I got my list right.  They include Druzzil and Ayonae Ro, Luclin, Saryrn, etc...</font></font></span></font><font color="#ffffff"></font><div></div><hr></blockquote><b>if its</b> <font color="#ffffff"><span><font size="3"><b>Bristlebane... he would be invis... anyone have see invis and see stealth on while running around?</b></font></span></font></div>

[firemonkey5]

<DIV>Places checked:</DIV> <UL> <LI>Everfrost</LI> <LI>Permafrost</LI> <LI>Enchanted Lands</LI> <LI>Rivervale</LI> <LI>Qeynos Sewers (all 3)</LI> <LI>Freeport Sewers (all 3?)</LI> <LI>Runnyeye</LI> <LI>Wailing Caves</LI> <LI>Solusek Eye</LI> <LI>Stormhold</LI> <LI>Sunken City</LI> <LI>Commonlands</LI> <LI>Nektolus Forest</LI> <LI>Fallen Gate</LI> <LI>Vault of the Fallen</LI></UL> <P>Others say they've checked all zones possible. Anyone wanna double check the zones not listed including those that are part of the expansion?</P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>firemonkey5 wrote:<div>Places checked:</div><ul><li>Everfrost</li><li>Permafrost</li><li>Enchanted Lands</li><li>Rivervale</li><li>Qeynos Sewers (all 3)</li><li>Freeport Sewers (all 3?)</li><li>Runnyeye</li><li>Wailing Caves</li><li>Solusek Eye</li><li>Stormhold</li><li>Sunken City</li><li>Commonlands</li><li>Nektolus Forest</li><li>Fallen Gate</li><li>Vault of the Fallen</li><li><font color="#ff0000">Antonica</font></li><li><font color="#ff0000">Blackburrow</font></li><li><font color="#ff0000">Thundering Steppes</font></li><li><font color="#ff0000">Zek</font></li><li><font color="#ff0000">Feerrott</font></li><li><font color="#ff0000">half of Lavastorm (stopped at Sol Ro temple)</font></li></ul><p>Others say they've checked all zones possible. Anyone wanna double check the zones not listed including those that are part of the expansion?</p><hr></blockquote>Adding on some others I've checked.  All the other prophets were in old-world zones, so we're assuming the last one is too.  Also, because it's a neutral god, he probably isn't in the cities<div></div>

[Pins]

Did anybody check the newb zones?  Because that's the only place I'm seeing nobody has mentioned.  Also I did a look through the entire obelisk, nobody is down there <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[firemonkey5]

We don't know for sure what alignment the last one is so lets please not jump to conclusions and search every possible location in Freeport, Qeynos and the expansions.

[RaphaNissi]

I've searched all the Freeport city zones as well as the newbie zones (Sunken City, Graveyard, Ruins).<div></div>

[iceriven2]

could the 9th possibly be Zeb....seems to be nuetral

[firemonkey5]

<DIV>Again since we really don't have any information from a Developer about the Good Nuetral and Evil think lets for get about it for now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Besides if anything Solusek Ro would be evil along with Rallos Zek, Innuurok and Cazic-Thule.</DIV>

[Sedden]

<DIV>Honestly im starting to think the 9th Prophet is the Nameless.... Nameless is everything yet nothing at the same time. Hence the 9th prophet is nothing/no one and is no where....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok that sounds alittle crazy but finding this 9th prophet is driving me crazy =</DIV>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><blockquote><hr><div></div><blockquote><hr><ul><li>Everfrost</li><li>Permafrost</li><li>Enchanted Lands</li><li>Rivervale</li><li>Qeynos Sewers (all 3)</li><li>Freeport Sewers (all 3?)</li><li>Runnyeye</li><li>Wailing Caves</li><li>Solusek Eye</li><li>Stormhold</li><li>Sunken City</li><li>Commonlands</li><li>Nektolus Forest</li><li>Fallen Gate</li><li>Vault of the Fallen</li><li><font color="#ffffff">Antonica</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Blackburrow</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Thundering Steppes</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Zek</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Feerrott</font></li><li><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff">half of Lavastorm (stopped at Sol Ro temple)</font></font></li><li><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ff0000">Obelisk of Lost Souls</font></font></font></li><li><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ff0000">Tower of the Drafling</font></font></font></li><li><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ff0000">Freeport</font></font></font></li><li><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ff0000">Freeport Newbie Zones</font></font></font></li><li><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ff0000">Qeynos Newbie Zones</font></font></font></li></ul><hr></blockquote><div></div><hr></blockquote>That should add in all the ones others have searched and the qenynos ones I looked into.  And Solusek has always been a neutral god, he just acted the way he did because mortals really [Removed for Content] him off<div></div>

[firemonkey5]

<DIV>Just because he was nuetral still doesn't change what he did. He became evil during those events when the gods left. I believe he still has something against most Norrathians.</DIV>

[randomname]

I think, at this point, we would have found the 9th one. What good is a prophet if no one is around to hear him. I'm not doubting that there should be 9 in total, but who's to say that they would all appear at once. Supposely, the whole summer is to be filled with Live Events preparing us for the return of the Gods. Perhaps, the final prophet will show him/herself at a more momentous occasion, instead of after a GU. Or closer to the actual return.

[Mirander_1]

/sigh, yeah, I'm afraid I have to agree with you Random.  Unless one of the devs comes in and says otherwise, I'm going with the conclusion that the ninth prophet isn't in game.  Whether that's intended or not is an entirely different question

[troodon]

<DIV>I did a Nektropos run since we're running out of options... didn't see anything there.</DIV>

[Evilcow]

<P><BR>did any one check if the dialoug on the npc near nq ent who said something about E.marr if their diagloug has changed?<BR></P>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Karana is too important a god to leave out.</DIV>

[Lughore]

This thread is great so far. Great work everyone.A thought just occured to me. If there is a neutral prophet missing, could they possibly be in Haven?I know this would limit the content, but its worth a shot to check.

[Lakland]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Karana is too important a god to leave out.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I have to agree with this. Although he was reserve and quiet, he was a major part of Eq1. I tend to think this has to be the last one.

[Lakland]

<P>I haven't seen Hidden Valley or perhaps the Shattered Vale, listed, although I find unlikely, at this point who knows?</P> <P> </P>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lakland wrote:<BR> <P>I haven't seen Hidden Valley or perhaps the Shattered Vale, listed, although I find unlikely, at this point who knows?</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They're not really open dungeons, they have so many difference instances connected to them, it's hard to know which one is which.  So its highly unlikely that they have added "open" NPCs to them.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Zeb can't be the 9th god.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2 reasons:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. He's part of an adventure pack, which means players may not have access to see him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. he even stated himself that the 9 prophets would return in time, which means that if he was one of the gods being worshipped, he would have stated that part since he no longer has anything to hide.</DIV>

[Zabjade]

<blockquote><hr>Sedden wrote:<div>Honestly im starting to think the 9th Prophet is the Nameless.... Nameless is everything yet nothing at the same time. Hence the 9th prophet is nothing/no one and is no where....</div> <div> </div> <div>Ok that sounds alittle crazy but finding this 9th prophet is driving me crazy =</div><hr></blockquote><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">One can only hope that it is the nameless, unlike the rest The Nameless is a Creator God rather then an Aspect godling, and both Created and destroyed. Would love to have both my Monk and Shadowknight with him/her/it/hir <font color="#330000">Because to me he can, in my mind be the similar to The Creator God IRL.</font> </font></font></font><div></div>

[Emerix]

Its prolly so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] obvious we just cant find it . I looked around antonica again and didnt find anything .

[Vollux]

<P>*edit I forgot the reason I was posting- here is the speech for NFP prophet:</P> <P>"If you seek to advance the cause of the Prince of Hate we may have something to speak about.  If you are of the godless heathen sect please leave my presence at once or suffer my wrath!"</P> <P>"You may address me as Xilania Nevagon, leader of the Dismal Rage but I have recently acquired a new title as well, Seraph of Hate.  If you prefer a simpler title for simpler mind, Lady Mistress will suffice. "</P> <P>"What do you mean by Seraph of Hate?"</P> <P>"I have been shown in a vision that the Prince of Hate selected me to be his chosen prophet at this time.  It is through me that the true followers of Hate will be sifted out from the dredges of this world.  I have been called to lead the heralds of Hate in the spreading of Innoruuk's will.   "</P> <P>"What is Innoruuk's will?"</P> <P>"Foolish one!  It is simply the subjugation of Norrath and the destruction of all inferior creatures through the powers of Hate!  Become one of us and embrace the mightiest of gods, or fall by his vengeful hand! "</P> <P>"Why should I join the forces of Hate?"</P> <P>"Quite simply, you would be on the side of the conquerors.  It is inevitable that Hate will encompass the world, there is nothing or no one that can hinder this outcome.  Join or perish, it is as simple as that."</P> <P>"What is the Dismal Rage?"</P> <P>"You must be new around here, or an incredible simpleton.  The Dismal Rage is the religious conclave of Freeport that jointly rules the worship of the dark gods of power, the greatest of which is Innoruuk, the Prince of Hate, of course.  It is a loose alliance that has served its purpose, for now..."</P> <P>"It sounds as if you don't think the Dismal Rage will last."</P> <P>"The Overlord has allowed the Dismal Rage to exist not because he believes in its work, but because he can use it as a means to control the citizenry of Freeport.  He sees us as a tool, a simple political device.  If only he were cognizant of the coming New Dawn... he would be not be so dismissive of this organization.  Lucan will one day look at his Temple of War and find it empty."</P> <P>"What if Lucan finds out about your intentions?"</P> <P>"He won't, and he wouldn't believe you if you managed to get word to him.  My name has a certain... weight... with him.  It will only be your death to try.  But please do make your attempt if you feel so inclined, the elimination of one more idiot makes things just that much easier.  hahaha!"</P> <P>"What of the other members of the Dismal Rage that hold to their own gods, not Innoruuk?"</P> <P>"They will come to see the true darkness or perish along with all of the other unworthy creatures.  They have served their purpose in this organization.  If they are smart they will desire to continue to do so."</P> <P> </P> <P>as far as the missing ninth prophet- I vote for Bristlebane- cause this search is just a joke now. *bangs head on desk*</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Vollux on <span class=date_text>07-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:48 PM</span>

[vinterskugge]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Zeb can't be the 9th god.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2 reasons:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. He's part of an adventure pack, which means players may not have access to see him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. he even stated himself that the 9 prophets would return in time, which means that if he was one of the gods being worshipped, he would have stated that part since he no longer has anything to hide.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>3.  We're looking for the prophets, not the gods themselves.  Zeb may be there, but who's his prophet?<BR><p>Message Edited by vinterskugge on <span class=date_text>07-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:14 PM</span>

[Desdichada]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vollux wrote:<BR> <P>"If you seek to advance the cause of the Prince of Hate we may have something to speak about.  If you are of the <STRONG>godless heathen sect</STRONG> please leave my presence at once or suffer my wrath!"</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Could it be agnostic? There was a selection available to some classes in EQLive of being an agnostic. Although having a prophet of agnosticism or some other form of godlessness is sort of... inconsistent.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Lightbearer007]

Maybe not finding the 9th prophet is Bristlebane's sick joke. You know he was always a bit of a trickster. He's probably laughing at us right now trying to find the last prophet. I would think the highest possible gods to return are Bristlebane, Bertoxxolus or Karana. If Rallos Zek, Solusek Ro and Brell Serilis were neutral then that would leave Innoruuk, Cazic Thule and Bertoxxolus evil. Then you would have Tunare, Quellios and Mithaniel Marr who are good. If Rallos Zek was considered evil then the possibilities would be Karana or Bristlebane. Thats just my thoughts on who the last prophet might represent. At EQII Stratics <a href="http://eq2.stratics.com/content/lore/lore_toc.php" target=_blank>here</a>, they list the gods and goddesses and their alignment. If this is truly how the gods are aligned then it would mean we have 4 good aligned gods with 2 neutral and 2 evil. So by this chart it doesnt look like its an even 3 per side. This 9th prophet is really tough to figure out. Maybe we should look at the picture from fan faire again that was about the new expansion. Those symbols on the "shield" represent different gods. We might be able to find out who the last prophet will represent by that one symbol. Then start searching from there. So we at least have somewhat of an idea about who and where we are looking.<div></div>

[Sedden]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lightbearer007 wrote:<BR>Maybe not finding the 9th prophet is Bristlebane's sick joke. You know he was always a bit of a trickster. He's probably laughing at us right now trying to find the last prophet. I would think the highest possible gods to return are Bristlebane, Bertoxxolus or Karana. If Rallos Zek, Solusek Ro and Brell Serilis were neutral then that would leave Innoruuk, Cazic Thule and Bertoxxolus evil. Then you would have Tunare, Quellios and Mithaniel Marr who are good. If Rallos Zek was considered evil then the possibilities would be Karana or Bristlebane. Thats just my thoughts on who the last prophet might represent. <BR><BR>At EQII Stratics <A href="http://eq2.stratics.com/content/lore/lore_toc.php" target=_blank>here</A>, they list the gods and goddesses and their alignment. If this is truly how the gods are aligned then it would mean we have 4 good aligned gods with 2 neutral and 2 evil. So by this chart it doesnt look like its an even 3 per side. This 9th prophet is really tough to figure out. Maybe we should look at the picture from fan faire again that was about the new expansion. Those symbols on the "shield" represent different gods. We might be able to find out who the last prophet will represent by that one symbol. Then start searching from there. So we at least have somewhat of an idea about who and where we are looking.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Honestly, I'd think we'd see Karana before Bert or Bristlebane simply because Karana had more influence on the lore of eq2 then bristlebane and bert. Especially since the Age of War

[troodon]

<DIV>I'm leaning towards this being a Bristlebane joke.  Come next LU his prophet will actually appear someplace really obvious and he'll make fun of us for never finding him while he was hiding :smileyindifferent:</DIV><p>Message Edited by troodon on <span class=date_text>07-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:44 PM</span>

[Sedden]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm leaning towards this being a Bristlebane joke.  Come next LU his prophet will actually appear someplace really obvious and he'll make fun of us for never finding him while he was hiding :smileyindifferent:</DIV> <P>Message Edited by troodon on <SPAN class=date_text>07-15-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:44 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yea, and we all know Bristlebane's nickname is dev.

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lightbearer007 wrote:<BR>Maybe not finding the 9th prophet is Bristlebane's sick joke. You know he was always a bit of a trickster. He's probably laughing at us right now trying to find the last prophet. I would think the highest possible gods to return are Bristlebane, Bertoxxolus or Karana. If Rallos Zek, Solusek Ro and Brell Serilis were neutral then that would leave Innoruuk, Cazic Thule and Bertoxxolus evil. Then you would have Tunare, Quellios and Mithaniel Marr who are good. If Rallos Zek was considered evil then the possibilities would be Karana or Bristlebane. Thats just my thoughts on who the last prophet might represent. <BR><BR>At EQII Stratics <A href="http://eq2.stratics.com/content/lore/lore_toc.php" target=_blank>here</A>, they list the gods and goddesses and their alignment. If this is truly how the gods are aligned then it would mean we have 4 good aligned gods with 2 neutral and 2 evil. So by this chart it doesnt look like its an even 3 per side. This 9th prophet is really tough to figure out. Maybe we should look at the picture from fan faire again that was about the new expansion. Those symbols on the "shield" represent different gods. We might be able to find out who the last prophet will represent by that one symbol. Then start searching from there. So we at least have somewhat of an idea about who and where we are looking.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Rallos Zek is an evil god.</P> <P> </P> <P>Think about it.</P> <P>War and Peace. Polar opposites. Doesn't make much sense for Peace to be good but War be neutral.</P>

[Punkbr]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Lightbearer007 wrote:Maybe not finding the 9th prophet is Bristlebane's sick joke. You know he was always a bit of a trickster. He's probably laughing at us right now trying to find the last prophet. I would think the highest possible gods to return are Bristlebane, Bertoxxolus or Karana. If Rallos Zek, Solusek Ro and Brell Serilis were neutral then that would leave Innoruuk, Cazic Thule and Bertoxxolus evil. Then you would have Tunare, Quellios and Mithaniel Marr who are good. If Rallos Zek was considered evil then the possibilities would be Karana or Bristlebane. Thats just my thoughts on who the last prophet might represent. At EQII Stratics <a href="http://eq2.stratics.com/content/lore/lore_toc.php" target="_blank">here</a>, they list the gods and goddesses and their alignment. If this is truly how the gods are aligned then it would mean we have 4 good aligned gods with 2 neutral and 2 evil. So by this chart it doesnt look like its an even 3 per side. This 9th prophet is really tough to figure out. Maybe we should look at the picture from fan faire again that was about the new expansion. Those symbols on the "shield" represent different gods. We might be able to find out who the last prophet will represent by that one symbol. Then start searching from there. So we at least have somewhat of an idea about who and where we are looking. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Rallos Zek is an evil god.</p> <p>Think about it.</p> <p>War and Peace. Polar opposites. Doesn't make much sense for Peace to be good but War be neutral.</p><hr></blockquote>Stratics is out of date on that note.  It doesn't take into account the fact that Rallos Zek did some pretty nasty things in the longrun, and his alignment shifted pretty far even from the beginning (When he tried to take over the elemental plane of earth O.o).  However, you also have to take into account that it was Solusek Ro along with Rallos Zek who destroyed the Nexus, and thereby destroyed Luclin, so until a dev says otherwise, we have to consider that either one may be neutral or evil.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>No. Solusek Ro is Neutral. Regardless of what actions the god themselves get involved in, its the general area of influence that determines thier allignment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Again, I think that refering to the Sullon Zek PVP server's ruleset is still the most appropriate here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sullon Zek was Diety based.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any player who worshipped Quellios, Mithanial Marr, Erollisi Marr, Rodcet Nife, or Tunare was Good alligned.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone who worshipped Innoruuk, Cazic Thule, Rallos Zek, or Bertoxxulous was Evil aligned.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone who worshipped Bristlebane, Brell Serilis, The Tribunal, Veeshan, Prexus, or Karana was Neutral.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Qeynos Monks worshipped Veeshan since Agnostic was not a choice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Vah Shir worshipped Tunare since Agnostic was not a choice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Barbarians were given the option of worshipping Mithanial Marr so they could be Good instead of just neutral or evil (Barbarian Warriors of Rallos Zek).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Plane of Time: If Solusek Ro was evil, he wouldn't have chosen to leave back to his Tower and let the evil gods fend for themselves. What gods do you fight in the Plane of Time? Evil.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terris Thule: Evil</DIV> <DIV>Saryrn: Evil</DIV> <DIV>Tallon Zek: Evil</DIV> <DIV>Vallon Zek: Evil</DIV> <DIV>Rallos Zek: Evil</DIV> <DIV>Bertoxxulous: Evil</DIV> <DIV>Cazic Thule: Evil</DIV> <DIV>Innoruuk: Evil</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, so far what we've learned from Lore is that Solusek Ro's done nothing but chaotic or downright evil things. Rallos Zek's plan in the planes. Creating the Desert of Ro...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The evidence of Absence does not mean the absence of Evidence.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just because we've seen his involvement in bad things only means that we haven't seen his involvement in anything good yet. It doesn't mean that he's never done anything good. He's the god of the Sun and Flames. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The sun isn't evil, is it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fire is a natural element that is needed to both destroy and create. Forest fires are needed to burn off old growth and help the new grow in it's place.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for Zeb being the 9th God. As I said: He has NOTHING TO HIDE from us anymore. If he was going to be the 9th neutral god, he would have flat out mentioned that one of his prophets would be talking about him. It wouldn't even make sense anyway. he's not a god of Influence. He's not even a lesser god of influence. He's just a mortal who became a god. He could care less about it. He'd be the god of Apathy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Whatever. Who cares? We're all just dust in the wind, so it doesn't matter what people do or not anyway. Why should I care if people worship me?"</DIV>

[Ilucide]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>He has NOTHING TO HIDE from us anymore. </div><hr></blockquote> Orly? <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

Um, the divine language that he doesn't consider us good enough to learn anymore?

[Lakland]

<DIV>One reason why the Prophets have shown up was because of what was happening in Fallen Dynasty or the Island more to the point. Perhaps Zeb has more to do with this than we think?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I remember reading about how the FD adv pack was deep as far as story line goes, and that events from its release through the summer would unfold until EoF was released. If this is the case I wouldn't dismiss Zeb too quickly in all this.</DIV>

[Gilson-Bertox]

So, Zeb's a god now?  I must've missed that part.  I don't have FD, and I hadn't heard anyone mention it... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>He has NOTHING TO HIDE from us anymore. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Orly? <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Dang. PWNED by a dev. -_-;;

[gra]

<div></div>Here's my one tidbit to add here, relevant or not:The "storms" and "rain" which the Overlord "summoned", I recall some dev comments on this as well as some discussion on wether or not it was really the Overlords doing. The conclusion seemed to be that it wasn't. So who is the god of storms?Maybe he isn't in TS at all but rather in CL, Nek or even FP.Just a thought.EDIT: The caveat being that the rains around FP have caused some pretty nasty growths, poisonous plants and what not. I don't know if this should be attributed to the rains or to the landscape. Again, your call.<div></div><p>Message Edited by gray_ on <span class=date_text>07-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:56 PM</span>

[Hybi]

<FONT size=3>That'd be Karana.</FONT>

[gra]

<div><blockquote><hr>Hybird wrote:<div></div><font size="3">That'd be Karana.</font><hr></blockquote>You sir, fail at rhetorical question.Go back to highschool lit, do not pass go, etc.<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />(that emoticon is supposed to defuse the harsh nature of the comment, kisses)</div>

[Hybi]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>you asked who the God of storms was, so I answered :smileytongue:</FONT></DIV>

[runekee]

<P>Does the 9 prophets signify those gods that we will be able to worship at the beginning of the next expansion?</P> <P>Bleh so far only one i'm remotely interested in is Cazic- i was hoping for Prexus and Bertie for my chars. It's about time that some of the lesser known gods in EQ1 would get given some of the storylines in EQ. :smileyindifferent:</P><p>Message Edited by runekeepa on <span class=date_text>07-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:58 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>runekeepa wrote:<div></div><p>Does the 9 prophets signify those gods that we will be able to worship at the beginning of the next expansion?</p><hr></blockquote>I don't think they've said officially said one way or the other, but I think it would be a good assumption.  Don't give up on your favorite god yet though, they'll almost certainly add more gods in future expansions</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> runekeepa wrote:<BR> <P>Does the 9 prophets signify those gods that we will be able to worship at the beginning of the next expansion?</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>At the beginning. Yes.

[Sedden]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>He has NOTHING TO HIDE from us anymore. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Orly? <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ok Illucide how about a hint to where this elusive 9th prophet is before us people still searching lose what little sanity we have left???  Come on losing your sanity isn't fun and the devs probably knows all about that :smileywink:

[Evilcow]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sedden wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>He has NOTHING TO HIDE from us anymore. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Orly? <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ok Illucide how about a hint to where this elusive 9th prophet is before us people still searching lose what little sanity we have left???  Come on losing your sanity isn't fun and the devs probably knows all about that :smileywink:<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>shhh use revers phycology devs please don't tell sedden where the ninth prophet is...tell evilcow<BR></P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Sedden wrote:<blockquote><hr><hr></blockquote>Ok Illucide how about a hint to where this elusive 9th prophet is before us people still searching lose what little sanity we have left??? <hr></blockquote>Yes, please.  I didn't have that much sanity to begin with and the current situation isn't helping.<span></span></div>

[Jaale]

<DIV>So the question is... what does Zeb have to hide?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and has anyone spoken to Zeb since the other profits have appeared?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is he angry of everything that has happened to him and decided to take a hand in what is going on.. maybe apathy has left the building and Zeb is stepping up to the plate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After reading about the Quest for this I came across the actuall conversation..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thanks to Pinski..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A few things though.. at no point does he say that all the nine are profits.. nor does he say that he is not one of them...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also of interest is that he says that he is gonig to be taking a more active role this time and that he will not fall into the same trap that he did last time. (in bold.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think that the Gods have awoken something in Zeb that they may wish that they had not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR><FONT size=2> <P>Zhen Mei/a says to you,"I am pleased to see you again, Calaglin. I had not expected events to unfold quite so quickly."</P> <P>You say, "Hail, Zhen Mei"</P> <P>You say to Zhen Mei,"Huh? What events? Nothing happened. Chel'Drak spouted something that had no meaning at all."</P> <P>Zhen Mei/a says to you,"No meaning? I think perhaps you do not comprehend what has happened here."</P> <P>You say to Zhen Mei,"No, I guess you're right. What was Chel'Drak talking about?"</P> <P>Zhen Mei/a says to you,"Chel'Drak was a guardian of something very important. Something which I could not remember until now."</P> <P>You say to Zhen Mei,"And that would be?"</P> <P>Zhen Mei/a says to you,"A portion of my essence. Long ago, I placed this within Chel'Drak's care. Though the citizens of Tanaan foolishly tried to gain the knowledge I entrusted to Chel'Drak, at the time he was the guardian of nothing."</P> <P>You say to Zebuxoruk,"I don't understand."</P> <P>Zebuxoruk/a says to you,"Long before the gods left Norrath, I had forseen the exodus. At that time, I returned to Chel'Drak, and entrusted a portion of my essence to him. Since then, he has guarded it with greater patience than I could have hoped."</P> <P>You say to Zebuxoruk,"And you had me kill him for his service?"</P> <P>Zebuxoruk/a says to you,"Do not be melodramatic. Chel'Drak has been released from his service on Norrath, this is true. However, he will forever retain a place of exultation within my realm. I shall leave a portion of his spirit for others to discover the secrets which you have."</P> <P>You say to Zebuxoruk,"But then why the duplicity? Why tell the Tanaanites that he possessed knowledge?"</P> <P>Zebuxoruk/a says to you,"It was a test. One which they failed. Though I did not foresee the consequences of their failure, one must understand that the fate they endured was brought on by their own lust for the forbidden."</P> <P>You say to Zebuxoruk,"That seems unusually cruel."</P> <P>Zebuxoruk/a says to you<STRONG>,"This is true. Long ago, I had not the wisdom to understand the full ramifications of my actions. Upon me was thrust the full knowledge of the planes, their workings, and the gods. I was not yet wise."</STRONG></P> <P>You say to Zebuxoruk,"And you think you are now?"</P> <P>Zebuxoruk/a says to you<STRONG>,"I can only hope that what I do now is the right thing for this world. Only time will tell. Once, I paid for my indiscretion. Now I will atone for that. The world will once again be imbued with the attention of the gods."</STRONG></P> <P>You say to Zebuxoruk,"When? When will this occur?"</P> <P>Zebuxoruk/a says to you,"It will take time. It will not be a fast process. The nine will rise again to take their place at the end. Others will no doubt follow."</P> <P>You say to Zebuxoruk,"Wait, what nine? Who are you talking about? What end?"</P> <P>Zebuxoruk/a says to you,"All will be explained in time. That day is a long way off. Perhaps so long that only several generations of your line down the river will see or understand."</P> <P>You say to Zebuxoruk,"I see. But the nine will come?"</P> <P>Zebuxoruk/a says to you,"I will ensure it. The proper events have been set in motion. Until then, I shall remain here. I challenge you to go out into the world and spread the word of the return. Belief will hasten their formation."</P> <P>You say to Zebuxoruk,"I will do my part, and eagerly await this return."</P> <P>Zebuxoruk/a says to you,"Be wary of your treatment of the gods, for they have become wary of their followers and the followers of others. Seek them for whatever you wish, but be warned - they will not lightly take unfavorable actions against their person."</P> <P>You say to Zhen Mei,"I will remember this."</P></FONT> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And that's all Zebuxoruk/Zhen Mei(same person) says when finishing the quest.  If you want I can post the stuff everybody else says as well.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text>One last Edit: Zeb is the first profit really as he is the first to tell that the gods are returning... (if you want to look at it that way.)</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Jaale on <span class=date_text>07-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:34 PM</span>

[Cyanbane]

<div></div>I have been trying to gather up <a target="_blank" href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Nine_Prophets">info on "the Nine" for our wiki</a>, if anyone has any info they would like to add to any of the entries feel free.  I am also looking for 3 more (well 4 counting the elusive 9th prophet) of their names, and dialog for all of them if anyone has feel free to either post on this thread or edit the wiki with it.The Prophet Names I need are:<p>3. <a href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rallos_Zek%27s_representative&action=edit" target="_blank">Rallos Zek's representative</a> (Rallos Zek) - Zek</p><p>4. <a href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=Innoruuk%27s_representative&action=edit" target="_blank">Innoruuk's representative</a> (Innoruuk) - Freeport</p><p>5. <a href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cazic_Thule%27s_representative&action=edit" target="_blank">Cazic Thule's representative</a> (Cazic Thule) - Cazic Thule</p><p>8. <a href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=Brell_Serilis%27s_representative&action=edit" target="_blank">Brell Serilis's representative</a> (Brell Serilis)- Blackburrow</p><p></p><p>Thanks</p><p>-Cyan</p><div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<P>No.</P> <P>In the Age of Turmoil, Zebuxoruk wanted to spread word of the Divine Language to allow all life to be equal, the language granting one the power to become a god.</P> <P>Now, in the Age of Destiny, Zebuxoruk says that he follows the Pantheon's way of thinking that states that mortals have to stay mortals in order to worship the gods. Now, Zebuxoruk will inevitably refuse to teach the Divine Language like he wanted to in the past.</P><p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class=date_text>07-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:29 AM</span>

[Wrapye]

<font size="2"><p>Zebuxoruk/a says to you,"I will ensure it. The proper events have been set in motion. Until then, I shall remain here. I challenge you to go out into the world and spread the word of the return. Belief will hasten their formation."</p> <p>You say to Zebuxoruk,"I will do my part, and eagerly await this return."</p> <p> </p><p>Are we the ninth?</p> <p> </p> <p> </p><p> </p></font> <div></div><p>Message Edited by sacremon on <span class=date_text>07-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:39 AM</span>

[VizP]

Yes but your character does not respresent a missing deity from the current list. Quote:'<font><font size="2">Zebuxoruk/a says to you,"It will take time. It will not be a fast process. The nine will rise again to take their place at the end. Others will no doubt follow.'----So - the NINE will rise again. But eight gods have been uncovered and the ninth is missing. He himself is not he ninth because clearly he is the facilitator of 'their' rise again. So whoever the last prophet is, this prophet is connected to the ninth deity. Its not simply a case of a missing prophet but also a case of the ninth deity he or she needs to be connected to. After all, it would be fine if we knew there were nine prophets but we had no idea there were also nine gods - in that case ones character or even Zeb could be the ninth prophet. Except Zeb tells you there are Nine deities that will rise first and since there are nine prophets....Honestly this seems to be like Bristlebane through and through. After all when it came down to placing his prophet, it would have been the one that the devs would have been most amused by and the one that would be in the truly obscure of places if anywhere at all - just another practical joke. And I dont think it would have been a big deal that a prophet of Bristlebane can't actually get to the followers that need to be notified of his imminent arrival, after all when it comse to the ultimate Jester, everything has to be a grand show doesnt it?Karana would seem more important but he would not have remained missing this long.. in fact you would have expected his prophet to be standing on the cliff off some part of Thunder Steppes i.e. the Karanas themselves full in view staring up at the clouds.</font></font><div></div>

[Sedden]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> <P>No.</P> <P>In the Age of Turmoil, Zebuxoruk wanted to spread word of the Divine Language to allow all life to be equal, the language granting one the power to become a god.</P> <P>Now, in the Age of Destiny, Zebuxoruk says that he follows the Pantheon's way of thinking that states that mortals have to stay mortals in order to worship the gods. Now, Zebuxoruk will inevitably refuse to teach the Divine Language like he wanted to in the past.</P> <P>Message Edited by Astralmage on <SPAN class=date_text>07-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:29 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Seems to me Zebuxoruk finally understand. For what is a god, if no one longer believes in or woriships them. And more onto the old saying, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". The mortals lust for power would no doubt bring forth chaos and destruction upon Norrath which is what happenned.</P> <P>I don't think Zebuxoruk will be a true "god" more of a go between, between the mortals and the gods, to me Zeb is trying to get the gods to return to undo the wrongs he did when he try to teach the divine language,which in turn(knowing the mortals lust for knowledge and power), would come after Zeb in the Plane of Time to free him which in turn brought upon the gods wrath.</P><p>Message Edited by Sedden on <span class=date_text>07-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:41 AM</span>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>VizP wrote:Karana would seem more important but he would not have remained missing this long.. in fact you would have expected his prophet to be standing on the cliff off some part of Thunder Steppes i.e. the Karanas themselves full in view staring up at the clouds.<hr></blockquote>IMO Karana's representative would be within a tempest somewhere. That seems the most appropriate to me, which would make them appear in the Sinking Sands, but really, anything is possible. I guess I just HOPE it's Karana.But your points about bristlebane are well taken. I wouldn't put it past the devs to make him/her invisible AND stealthed, in one of the most inaccessable areas anywhere that nobody ever really goes to (some obscure instance somewhere) JUST to make it annoying and a "joke".

[Wilin]

It was asked by someone else earlier but has anyone gone back to talk to the npc sitting on the TS shore (I think by the rumbler caves). He appeared to be an unkempt druid who was looking out over the water for something to happen.

[Lonissa]

<div><blockquote><hr>Eriol wrote:<blockquote><hr>VizP wrote:Karana would seem more important but he would not have remained missing this long.. in fact you would have expected his prophet to be standing on the cliff off some part of Thunder Steppes i.e. the Karanas themselves full in view staring up at the clouds.<hr></blockquote>IMO Karana's representative would be within a tempest somewhere. That seems the most appropriate to me, which would make them appear in the Sinking Sands, but really, anything is possible. I guess I just HOPE it's Karana.But your points about bristlebane are well taken. I wouldn't put it past the devs to make him/her invisible AND stealthed, in one of the most inaccessable areas anywhere that nobody ever really goes to (some obscure instance somewhere) JUST to make it annoying and a "joke".<hr></blockquote>Even if they are invised and stealthed, they would show up in track right?  I keep thinking of some of those locations that are only accessible by jumping - like in QH.   Maybe take a scout around all these zones and see if new names show up?</div>

[Fizwi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wilin wrote:It was asked by someone else earlier but has anyone gone back to talk to the npc sitting on the TS shore (I think by the rumbler caves). He appeared to be an unkempt druid who was looking out over the water for something to happen.<hr></blockquote>Glendarion the Unkempt.  He's still there, sitting, staring, not responding to hails...</div>

[Vollux]

Cyan- I posted the Innoruuk's Prophets dialog on page 6 of the thread her name is Xilania Nevagon.

[Cyanbane]

<div><blockquote><hr>Vollux wrote:<div></div>Cyan- I posted the Innoruuk's Prophets dialog on page 6 of the thread her name is Xilania Nevagon.<hr></blockquote>Awesome, got it and credited you.<a href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=Xilania_Nevagon" target=_blank>Xilania Nevagon</a>Anyone got any others or links to some elsewhere?  I am going to try to run around and get screens tonight.  I have a feeling the conversations will change over the next few months, hopefully we can have record of them here.</div>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Eriol wrote:<blockquote><hr>VizP wrote:Karana would seem more important but he would not have remained missing this long.. in fact you would have expected his prophet to be standing on the cliff off some part of Thunder Steppes i.e. the Karanas themselves full in view staring up at the clouds.<hr></blockquote>IMO Karana's representative would be within a tempest somewhere. That seems the most appropriate to me, which would make them appear in the Sinking Sands, but really, anything is possible. I guess I just HOPE it's Karana.But your points about bristlebane are well taken. I wouldn't put it past the devs to make him/her invisible AND stealthed, in one of the most inaccessable areas anywhere that nobody ever really goes to (some obscure instance somewhere) JUST to make it annoying and a "joke".<hr></blockquote>Even if they are invised and stealthed, they would show up in track right?  I keep thinking of some of those locations that are only accessible by jumping - like in QH.   Maybe take a scout around all these zones and see if new names show up?</div><hr></blockquote>They will show up on track only if you can see invis or stealth respectively.

[Jigokusens]

<P>You know I don't like this concept but what if.....</P> <P>Karana went and got himself captured again so there's no prophet hanging about.  :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[gra]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jigokusensei wrote:<div></div> <p>You know I don't like this concept but what if.....</p> <p>Karana went and got himself captured again so there's no prophet hanging about.  :smileyvery-happy:</p><hr></blockquote>I still stand by the idea that the rains in FP have something to do with Karana and that his prophet will be found there (perhaps bound to the will of the Overlord somehow)There has to be a reason that the Overlord "called" all of the rains to the common lands.</div>

[Wrapye]

<div><blockquote><hr>gray_ wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Jigokusensei wrote:<div></div> <p>You know I don't like this concept but what if.....</p> <p>Karana went and got himself captured again so there's no prophet hanging about.  :smileyvery-happy:</p><hr></blockquote>I still stand by the idea that the rains in FP have something to do with Karana and that his prophet will be found there (perhaps bound to the will of the Overlord somehow)There has to be a reason that the Overlord "called" all of the rains to the common lands.</div><hr></blockquote>Lucan did nothing other than make a speech, then tell the Foci to make it rain.  The Foci was the one who got the magic rolling.</div>

[VizP]

Yes if I was a betting man, that piece of lore was necessary because of an ingame change they wanted to make. Simply - Commonlands was terribly dreary and the devs felt that perhaps they needed to allow some sunlight into these areas. The lore was created of Lucan's grand speech and then of course the Foci creating rain - for Lucan a dreamatic finale to his speech and a show of his dominance over all the land one can see from Freeport. For SOE the ability to have players at least see the sun from the commonlands.I mean in terms of Karana, that speech was 'long' before any likely concept was even in place of a return of the gods in a future expansion. So that whole Lucan rain thing is likely nothing to do with Karana at all in any way shape or form...<div></div>

[Nainitsuj]

<P>I was running around Nek forest and thought "Hey!  I wonder if the Keeper of Secrets is spouting anything new"</P> <P>Keeper of Secrets says to you "When the one who walked from the water is made whole, the heralds of the nine shall arise.  Knowledge is key.  That is all."</P>

[Lady Dee]

<DIV>Alrighty here we go the 9th Prohet is for Karana:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Source Info: </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_01" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_01</A> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here is where the 9 Gods all talk about the fate that awaits Norath and their plans to leave the mortals</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also again:</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_05" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_05</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>More talk about the Avatar of Thunder</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It make NO sense for them to introduce more gods into the lore when they already have established the 9 Gods who started the EQ2 lore timeline.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So...where would the Phopet of Thunder be....Thundering Stepps, or Commondlands, or perhaps inbetween....isnt the newbie isle between the TS and CL on map? If so mabye the prophet of Karana is there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my 2cents</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Slixia (GuK)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Lady Dee on <span class=date_text>07-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:12 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div> well, both TS and CL have been searched, for that matter all of Karan and D'lere have been searched.  And I strongly doubt the last prophet is on IoR, I have the feeling that these NPCs will be the ones we go to join one of the faiths when Faydwer comes out, so they would need to be in a place that can be reached<div></div>

[Dogm]

<DIV>Nice try, but in your first link it talks about more then 9 gods.  Erollisi Marr , Fennin Ro, Xegony, Bristlebane, and the Tribunal  are all also mentioned. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now it does show that Karana, Quellious, and Tunare do have some sort of alliance, so it is possible that Karana is the last god, but no solid proof.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[firemonkey5]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nainitsuj wrote:<BR> <P>I was running around Nek forest and thought "Hey!  I wonder if the Keeper of Secrets is spouting anything new"</P> <P>Keeper of Secrets says to you "<STRONG>When the one who walked from the water is made whole</STRONG>, the heralds of the nine shall arise.  Knowledge is key.  That is all."<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Whats that refer to?

[Vollux]

<DIV>Zebuxoruk</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>see this thread for further info.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595</A></DIV>

[snowfleck]

Well, I get the 'no expansions' rule, and it's a sound one, but it would make a kind of sense for the missing rep to be on Faydwer...<div></div>

[VizP]

And equally annoying for the patch notes to indicate there are 'nine' prophets of which eight are right there in the game but one is sitting in an expansion 6 months away? Hmm... nah <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vollux wrote:<BR> <DIV>Zebuxoruk</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>see this thread for further info.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595</A></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually that just proves even further that he's not the 9th god.

[Jaale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vollux wrote:<BR> <DIV>Zebuxoruk</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>see this thread for further info.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595</A></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually that just proves even further that he's not the 9th god.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Actually no it doesn't, the writing is very none committal and vague. There is nothing that states that because he is the one that told us about it that he can't be the first Profit (he is, I believe) and the first of the nine (which he also is, again my belief) Just because he said about the rising of the nine does not mean that he is not one of the nine.</P> <P> </P> <P>Sorry I would need more solid proof that he is not other than just "he said it so it can't be him" the idea that it has all been old world before doesn't hold either, if he is the starter and I believe that he is then he can be anywhere and move into the old world before Faydwer comes live. He is he god of Knowledge... he is perfect for the Wizzy classes out there. The more I look at it the more I think that he is the first herald of the return of the gods the first of the nine being himself. (I'll not make any hat eating comments just yet though. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</P>

[troodon]

Prophet

[Dragonreal]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jaale wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vollux wrote:<BR> <DIV>Zebuxoruk</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>see this thread for further info.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595</A></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually that just proves even further that he's not the 9th god.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Actually no it doesn't, the writing is very none committal and vague. There is nothing that states that because he is the one that told us about it that he can't be the first Profit (he is, I believe) and the first of the nine (which he also is, again my belief) Just because he said about the rising of the nine does not mean that he is not one of the nine.</P> <P> </P> <P>Sorry I would need more solid proof that he is not other than just "he said it so it can't be him" the idea that it has all been old world before doesn't hold either, if he is the starter and I believe that he is then he can be anywhere and move into the old world before Faydwer comes live. He is he god of Knowledge... he is perfect for the Wizzy classes out there. The more I look at it the more I think that he is the first herald of the return of the gods the first of the nine being himself. (I'll not make any hat eating comments just yet though. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>so if your only real reason to think he's the final god is that he'd be a perfect god for wizzys to follow, what do you propose the fp druids follow? we can't follow tunare since they made her good aligned and not neutral... so imo the reasoning that it should be him just because he'd be perfect for wizzys doesn't hold much water

[Jaale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dragonrealms wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jaale wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vollux wrote:<BR> <DIV>Zebuxoruk</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>see this thread for further info.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A target=_blank href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595</A></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually that just proves even further that he's not the 9th god.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Actually no it doesn't, the writing is very none committal and vague. There is nothing that states that because he is the one that told us about it that he can't be the first Profit (he is, I believe) and the first of the nine (which he also is, again my belief) Just because he said about the rising of the nine does not mean that he is not one of the nine.</P> <P> </P> <P>Sorry I would need more solid proof that he is not other than just "he said it so it can't be him" the idea that it has all been old world before doesn't hold either, if he is the starter and I believe that he is then he can be anywhere and move into the old world before Faydwer comes live. He is he god of Knowledge... he is perfect for the Wizzy classes out there. The more I look at it the more I think that he is the first herald of the return of the gods the first of the nine being himself. (I'll not make any hat eating comments just yet though. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>so if your only real reason to think he's the final god is that he'd be a perfect god for wizzys to follow, what do you propose the fp druids follow? we can't follow tunare since they made her good aligned and not neutral... so imo the reasoning that it should be him just because he'd be perfect for wizzys doesn't hold much water<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hmm talk about being too literal.. I meant the Mage classes in general rather than just Wizards.... (ergo wizzy classes not just wizards)</P> <P>It wasn't my only reason for thinking that Zeb could be of the nine, as I'm sure that if you read all of my reasoning that it would hold "water"..</P> <P>So why couldn't FP Druids follow Tunare? (because she is good) and why even bring it up as a counter to my argument? that sounds more like a gripe for the dev's rather than with my argument in it's self. If you want your Druid to follow Tunare then betray. if that doesn't fit then speak to the Dev's nicely and see if they will make it so that you can worship Tunare in an underground fasion, I'm sorry but I really can't help you there. I'm sure that there are people on the Q side who are upset that they can't worship thier god as well.</P> <P>If Zeb is the last God or of the nine to appear then he would be neutral meaning both sides could choose him which is in standing with wanting to give knowledge to everyone.</P>

[Dragonreal]

<DIV>I bring it up because the god of nature is a perfect match for the class who draws their power from nature... just as you're saying the god of knowledge is the perfect match for those who draw their power from knowledge.. So, that reasoning does not hold water imo. And what reasoning have you given? you said that him being the one to say the gods are retunring is not a good enough reason for him to not be one ofhte gods, and that just because he's not in the old world doesn't mean he can't be one either.. the only actual REASON you gave for him to be a god is beacuse he would be a very suitable god for wizzys (mages as you actually meant.. why not say that from the start?).  I could also say that karana should be the 9th one, again because it would be suitable to druids /shrug</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My point was that the reasoning that any particular god should be the last one just because they would be the perfect god for <insert class/archetype here> to follow isn't a good enough arguement on its own because there are multiple classes that certain gods would be "best" for.</DIV>

[Jaale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dragonrealms wrote:<BR> <DIV>I bring it up because the god of nature is a perfect match for the class who draws their power from nature... just as you're saying the god of knowledge is the perfect match for those who draw their power from knowledge.. So, that reasoning does not hold water imo. And what reasoning have you given? you said that him being the one to say the gods are retunring is not a good enough reason for him to not be one ofhte gods, and that just because he's not in the old world doesn't mean he can't be one either.. the only actual REASON you gave for him to be a god is beacuse he would be a very suitable god for wizzys (mages as you actually meant.. why not say that from the start?).  I could also say that karana should be the 9th one, again because it would be suitable to druids /shrug</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My point was that the reasoning that any particular god should be the last one just because they would be the perfect god for <insert class/archetype here> to follow isn't a good enough arguement on its own because there are multiple classes that certain gods would be "best" for.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><SPAN class=418563113-18072006>No I understand that.. and my argument wasn't just that he is the one because he is the best archetype for a class, but also because he <STRONG>IS</STRONG> a god, he <STRONG>IS</STRONG> prophesisesing the return of the nine. In his dialogue (posted earlier by myself) he basically say's that he's not going to standby and make the same mistakes as before, even the Dev's (again earlier) hinted that there is more to Zeb than we currently know and are making asumptions about. That was why I was saying about people throwing out the idea of Zeb, asumptions that, just because he is in an Expantion pack that he can't be one of the nine (not on the old world.) Seems out of place and some time Assumptions need to be challenged before people will think of other things. Thier is currently only 8, it could be Zeb is the 9th, it could be that there was a problem witht eh install files and the last one was missing and so didn't make it into the patch.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=418563113-18072006></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=418563113-18072006>As to no one for the druids to worship they have said that the Nine are just the first to return, it might well be that more will return before the faction system goes live that will suit your needs. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></SPAN></DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

All the other heralds talk about one of the gods specifically in their speaches.  Why should the ninth be different?  The Keeper's statement kind of indicates that the "one" and the "nine" are different.  I think people are just grasping at straws trying to figure all of this out while the devs stand back amused.  <div></div>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vollux wrote:<BR> <DIV>Zebuxoruk</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>see this thread for further info.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=14595</A></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually that just proves even further that he's not the 9th god.<hr></blockquote> Actually he's speaking of how the fact that Zebuxoruk is the one who walked from the water and is made whole, nothing to do with him being the 9th prophet.

[NocteBla]

I know I haven't been a part of this thread but I've read all the argumements and theories for and against them.I think the 9th prohet is for Karana, fo rthe following reasons:<ul><li>I believe the Keeper of Secrets mentions the one who walks from the water to be different from the nine, based solely on my comprehension of the words used.</li><li>Perhaps Karana is in need of rescuing (again) and this is how we are to secure the return of the return of the rest. If they left because we kept killing them, maybe they'd return if we saved one of them. A neutral god would be best for a rescue quest like this so buth good and evil classes would make sense to complete it.</li><li>While other gods are mentioned in the Tome of Destiny, only 9 are really focused on. The role of the Avatar of Storms in the Second Rallosian War cements this in as well, I don't think they'd write him into the story as much as they haave so far and then not include him in the return of the gods.</li><li>For the argument about neutral/evil druids and a god to worship, there ya go: Karana is a neutral god and the Storms theme fits right in. As for a perfect neutral god for wizards, it's always been Solusek Ro in the past, but that's a different topic.</li><li>From a developmental standpoint, the gods that have been chosen so far look like they would have a set of ablities (miracles) that a follower could eventually perform. For example, from the conversation with Danak, it sounds as if followers of Fear may get some form of mind control or (surprise) a Fear spell. Karana's probable AAs (for lack of a better name to give them) would likely be storm based nukes or debuffs and would be easy to design into a set of spells and abilities. Bristlebane, or for that matter, Zebuxoruuk does not have what I'd consider to provide a set of abilities that would either be useful for players to desire. What are Zeb's followers going to do? Summon books from the Plane of Knowledge and throw them? Ranged crushing damage 4TW.</li></ul><div></div>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>NocteBlanc wrote:I know I haven't been a part of this thread but I've read all the argumements and theories for and against them.I think the 9th prohet is for Karana, fo rthe following reasons:<ul><li>I believe the Keeper of Secrets mentions the one who walks from the water to be different from the nine, based solely on my comprehension of the words used.</li><li>Perhaps Karana is in need of rescuing (again) and this is how we are to secure the return of the return of the rest. If they left because we kept killing them, maybe they'd return if we saved one of them. A neutral god would be best for a rescue quest like this so buth good and evil classes would make sense to complete it.</li><li>While other gods are mentioned in the Tome of Destiny, only 9 are really focused on. The role of the Avatar of Storms in the Second Rallosian War cements this in as well, I don't think they'd write him into the story as much as they haave so far and then not include him in the return of the gods.</li><li>For the argument about neutral/evil druids and a god to worship, there ya go: Karana is a neutral god and the Storms theme fits right in. As for a perfect neutral god for wizards, it's always been Solusek Ro in the past, but that's a different topic.</li><li>From a developmental standpoint, the gods that have been chosen so far look like they would have a set of ablities (miracles) that a follower could eventually perform. For example, from the conversation with Danak, it sounds as if followers of Fear may get some form of mind control or (surprise) a Fear spell. Karana's probable AAs (for lack of a better name to give them) would likely be storm based nukes or debuffs and would be easy to design into a set of spells and abilities. Bristlebane, or for that matter, Zebuxoruuk does not have what I'd consider to provide a set of abilities that would either be useful for players to desire. What are Zeb's followers going to do? Summon books from the Plane of Knowledge and throw them? Ranged crushing damage 4TW.</li></ul><div></div><hr></blockquote>Zeb is the one who walked from the water(the monks found him in the water, and now he has become whole again because after defeating Chel'Drak he regains his essence and becomes whole again). However Zeb is most definately not the 9th god because he speaks of the 9 coming back as if he is not included in the 9.

[NocteBla]

uhhh... yeah, that's what my entire post was about.

[Evilcow]

someone go to zeb hold a knife to his throat and force him to tell you who all nine prophets are...i would do this but im a monk<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Carodor]

<div><blockquote><hr>randomname wrote:<div></div>I think, at this point, we would have found the 9th one. What good is a prophet if no one is around to hear him. I'm not doubting that there should be 9 in total, but who's to say that they would all appear at once. Supposely, the whole summer is to be filled with Live Events preparing us for the return of the Gods. Perhaps, the final prophet will show him/herself at a more momentous occasion, instead of after a GU. Or closer to the actual return.<hr></blockquote>I totally agree on this.  I was actually posting the exact same thing and did a search to find the update notes... and ended up seeing that was mirroring Randomname's post lol.I believe the 9th is a key that we won't see untill a Live Event becomes active.  There are a lot of things that we don't see.. won't see untill they start to open the progression that will unlock the EoF expansion.  Keep looking though, this is getting intense.  <span>:smileywink:</span></div>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>Here's something I think is worth discussing about the prophets we've already found.  From the lore that I know, it seems that some of the prophets have something else signifigant about them besides their roles as prophets.  I figured I'd put down the ones I have now and see if anyone else can fill in the other prophets.Cazic Thule:  His prophet was the iksar that kidnaped Firiona Vie in EQlive wasn't he?Innorrukk: Is the leader of the Dismal RageQuellious:  Sensei of the monks in QeynosBrell Serilis: is the grandson of King KazonAnyone know if the other prophets have an interesting background?<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> Here's something I think is worth discussing about the prophets we've already found.  From the lore that I know, it seems that some of the prophets have something else signifigant about them besides their roles as prophets.  I figured I'd put down the ones I have now and see if anyone else can fill in the other prophets.<BR><BR>Cazic Thule:  His prophet was the iksar that kidnaped Firiona Vie in EQlive wasn't he?<BR><BR>Innorrukk: Is the leader of the Dismal Rage<BR><BR>Quellious:  Sensei of the monks in Qeynos<BR><BR>Brell Serilis: is the grandson of King Kazon<BR><BR>Anyone know if the other prophets have an interesting background?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Tunare: Been alive since the Age of Turmoil 500 years ago.</P> <P>Rallos Zek: Broke out of Freeport Prison for killing a Lucanic Knight with his own helmet.</P> <P>Solusek Ro: Was destined to live in the Temple of Solusek Ro since his birth, since his cradle set fire the moment he was placed in it, and his birth parents died moments after they brought him to the temple. he doesn't regard them as his parents nor does he care about them.</P> <P>Mithanial Marr: Seen in the opening video.</P><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>07-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:58 PM</span>

[Vollux]

<DIV><U>I never said Zeb is the ninth god or ninth prophet</U>.  I was answering Firemonkey5 when he asked what Nainitsuj was talking about:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Firemonkey5 wrote:</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nainitsuj wrote:<BR> <P>I was running around Nek forest and thought "Hey!  I wonder if the Keeper of Secrets is spouting anything new"</P> <P>Keeper of Secrets says to you "<STRONG>When the one who walked from the water is made whole</STRONG>, the heralds of the nine shall arise.  Knowledge is key.  That is all."<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Whats that refer to?</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>and I answered Zeb is who/what that refers to and linked back to the thread discussing Zeb the forgetful.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Personally I hope the ninth is Bristlebane.  And that the Prince of Thieves & Mischief is passed out drunk in a bar somewhere in Rivervale with his prophet after a long week of "celebrating" the return of the Gods.</DIV>

[FreaklyCreak]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shadowscale wrote:<BR> wonder why all the profits for the good gods are right there in qeynos but two of the three evil profits you have to run everywere.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Lucan is a self proclaimed "god". Atleast he thinks he is a god. So he prolly kicked them out of FP, letting innoruk profit stay? Well he used to be a paladin, and he went evil, me thinks he is a servant of innoruk(Shadowknight) and doesn't mind his own god being in town.</P> <P>im guessing...</P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>FreaklyCreak wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>shadowscale wrote:<div></div>wonder why all the profits for the good gods are right there in qeynos but two of the three evil profits you have to run everywere.<hr></blockquote><p>Lucan is a self proclaimed "god". Atleast he thinks he is a god. So he prolly kicked them out of FP, letting innoruk profit stay? Well he used to be a paladin, and he went evil, me thinks he is a servant of innoruk(Shadowknight) and doesn't mind his own god being in town.</p><p>im guessing...</p><hr></blockquote>I strongly doubt that Lucan follows Innorrukk.  Remember, Inny's prophet says that Lucan doesn't know what's coming, that she's planning to, ahem, *convince* all the Dismal Rage to follow Innorrukk, Lucan isn't likely to enjoy having that happen</div>

[FreaklyCreak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FreaklyCreak wrote:<BR> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shadowscale wrote:<BR> wonder why all the profits for the good gods are right there in qeynos but two of the three evil profits you have to run everywere.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Lucan is a self proclaimed "god". Atleast he thinks he is a god. So he prolly kicked them out of FP, letting innoruk profit stay? Well he used to be a paladin, and he went evil, me thinks he is a servant of innoruk(Shadowknight) and doesn't mind his own god being in town.</P> <P>im guessing...</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I strongly doubt that Lucan follows Innorrukk.  Remember, Inny's prophet says that Lucan doesn't know what's coming, that she's planning to, ahem, *convince* all the Dismal Rage to follow Innorrukk, Lucan isn't likely to enjoy having that happen<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>thanks for correcting me, i havent been able to investigate this myself as i just reformatted and havent been able to see the NPC convos other then the marr profit in NQ. =D

[Sedden]

Maybe the 9th god is Karana and his prophet is Askr the Lost from EQlive and being all and all, He's Lost rofl

[Evilcow]

heres an idea for the devs....make every god selectable but only put in quest for the gods that are comeing with EoF that way everyone gets their gods

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> heres an idea for the devs....make every god selectable but only put in quest for the gods that are comeing with EoF that way everyone gets their gods<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Uhh thats basicly what they intend. You can unlock more gods through quests.

[Zabjade]

<div></div><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Lets see if I can pull off the links correctly, but here are some various scattered hints. Whatever is going on I think the <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=13731#M13731" target="_blank">Peacock Club</a> will be involved. Vhalen gets cagey with info on <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=11265#M11265" target="_blank">The Nameless</a>. Haven't found any other clues yet. But bringing back the old gods is all fine and good, but it is old hat and boring. You could have the return of several of the old godlings, or they could bring back a god that while is in lore has never been followed like the others. </font></font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by Zabjade on <span class=date_text>07-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:23 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Evilcow wrote:<div></div>heres an idea for the devs....make every god selectable but only put in quest for the gods that are comeing with EoF that way everyone gets their gods<hr></blockquote>Uhh thats basicly what they intend. You can unlock more gods through quests.<hr></blockquote>hey Cusa, do you happen to have a quote for that anywhere?  I recall reading something like that before, but it had sounded more like more gods would be added in future expansions</div>

[Etherium]

Has anyone searched for Bristlebane while hidden or see hidden is up?  Somehow I could picture him hiding in the shadows as a joke.

[DynamicPerforman]

<DIV>I have a feeling the peacock club will have ALOT to do with this. ( note the halfling playing with the city leaders like dolls )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Could the last prophet be like The monk one? with no specific NPC followers?  I know  a few places in antonica that I am going to check for a hidden prophet of karana (dammit there better be karana or i'm gonna be sad)  EX. the underwater cave at windstalker, and the other cave off the cliff near the spires.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dynamicman out...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. karana rules!</DIV>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>He has NOTHING TO HIDE from us anymore. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Orly? <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This tells me it should be Bristlebane.  Did anyone check the lamia caves in EL? The tainted halfling vilage? Runny eye? the island of the nightbloods? the farm house by the nightbloods? the treetrunk building by the shadow men?

[Tarkin-Wretch]

<P>the 9th prophet is difficult to figure out.  when zeb refers to the nine returning, it implies to me that he is not one of the 9 since he has already returned.  he is putting things into motion to make sure the 9 return.  he is also not a prophet, at least not a prophet to one of the 9.  he doesnt speak about anyone in particular and he doesnt speak of himself in the same manner as the other prophets so hes not a prphet for himself (which is dumb anyways).</P> <P>the prophet for the 9th god should have been found by now which means they f'd up or purposely did not add him/her for a very specific reason,imo.  heres something to consider though.  if you follow the belief that there are 3 good/neutral/evil gods that comprise this so called 9, then the missing one is a neutral god yes?  veeshan is neutral.  what type of prophet would she have?  most likely not a humanoid.  best place to look for her prophet?  it would go against fidning them in non expansion zones...maybe.  just a thought.</P> <P>remember the glyph being used to announce this coming expansion?  it looked very similar to an old one used in eqlive that contained individual symbols on it.  theres much debate on whether the symbols represent races or gods.  i myself think they represent gods.  most importantly though, how many smaller symbols are on this glyph?  an old one from eqlive shows 8 symbols- 4 outside, 3 inside with 1 in the middle.  now the one being used in this expansion is the glyph on a tablet but its altered slightly.  it has 10 symbols- 4 outside which are easily indentified, 3 inside (note they have a ring around them now where the old ones did not, and 1 in the center.  it difficult to tell what the 3 inside symbols are but i would assume they are the same as the old eqlive ones.  there are 2 additional symbols, also surrounded with a ring, just outside the circle in the middle.  one actually touches the circle, interefing with it you might say.  the other one is towards the bottom.  heres my theory..and this could be way out there.  the 10 symbols in the glyph represent the 10 choices we will have with the expansion.  while 9 of them represent gods, 1 represents being agnostic.  the 8 that have been found already might match up with 8 symbols from the glyph.  ill try to do more research in this area later when im not suffering through work on codine.  the hard part of this theory is there is some debate as to which gods the symbols represent so it wont be easy to say one way or the other if this is plausible.</P>

[KniteShayd]

<P>the symbols and the layouts on that emblem are symbolic themselves. i sugsested that in post 3 or 4 i think. it is the four evil aligned gods on the outter, the four on the inner are the good aligned gods the one in the center is veeshan.  essentially it was speculated that it was the pact held for either the non interferrence, or to show those that were against veeshan and her influences and what gods were against her.</P> <P>I say even though karana's influence was wide spread in the battle of defiance, he withdrew and is nuetral once more.  I think bristlbane's prophet is hiding in EL/RV somewhere.  prolly in a tree, underwater, in a rock or something wierd/funny, perhaps it's a killable npc itself, /shrug. maybe it's Foomby!</P>

[troodon]

<DIV>A) What makes you think that's Veeshan's symbol?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>B) Why is it on <A href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/EQ000024.jpg" target=_blank>Teir'Dal firepots?</A></DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote:<BR> <DIV>A) What makes you think that's Veeshan's symbol?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>B) Why is it on <A href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/EQ000024.jpg" target=_blank>Teir'Dal firepots?</A></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah thats not Veeshan's Symbol. that's the Dark Elf symbol on those pots.

[KniteShayd]

<P>Was quoting what was initially speculated.  Not saying as a fact. That question was brought up in that post though. :smileyhappy:</P> <P>Only trying to feed thee thought process.</P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>KniteShayd wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ilucide wrote:<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>He has NOTHING TO HIDE from us anymore.</div><hr></blockquote>Orly? <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>This tells me it should be Bristlebane.  Did anyone check the lamia caves in EL? The tainted halfling vilage? Runny eye? the island of the nightbloods? the farm house by the nightbloods? the treetrunk building by the shadow men?<hr></blockquote>Hmm... you know, I never did check the cave system in EL, maybe I'll take a look today.  It's a bit of a long shot but it might be it</div>

[DebasedMora]

<div></div><font>Nine Contemplations, The</font><p align="justify">This book is titled "The Nine Contemplations". It presents several riddles that the druids and rangers of a place called the Surefall Glade would puzzle over.To know truth, one must understand the cycles of life and nature. In order to find harmony within the Surefall Glade, you must find harmony within yourself. Take these mantras and know them in your heart. When the words become second thought, then you will have found your balance within the world.Growth"Stasis without thought, Timeless nothing is a wrong. Once this sprouts from naught, It will guide one all life long."Decay"To live one's full life, One must start and one must end. As joy is to strife, It is growth's only true friend."Health"When life is so quick, Vim and vigor should not hide. The mind pours the tonic, Body is where it resides."Ocean"To ride on it's back, One feels the strength of our moons. Sink into it's black, One will gaze at life filled dunes."Sky"It falls from above, And sinks deep into the lung. True home of the dove, And every song it has sung."Storm"In numbers they're loud, And forms tempests from breezes. Welcome it's wet shroud, For it's gift replenishes.""If one stares too long, It will be the last sight seen. From it trees grow strong, Changing yellow into green."Underfoot"Darkness rules supreme,In the globe below the peat.Just as in a dream,It's gateway is it's conceit."Hope"When all things are none, When existence is bereft, There will be but one, The only thing that is left."</p><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DebasedMorals wrote:<BR> <FONT size=+0>Nine Contemplations, The</FONT><BR><BR><BR> <P align=justify>This book is titled "The Nine Contemplations". It presents several riddles that the druids and rangers of a place called the Surefall Glade would puzzle over.<BR><BR>To know truth, one must understand the cycles of life and nature. In order to find harmony within the Surefall Glade, you must find harmony within yourself. Take these mantras and know them in your heart. When the words become second thought, then you will have found your balance within the world.<BR><BR>Growth"Stasis without thought, Timeless nothing is a wrong. Once this sprouts from naught, It will guide one all life long."<BR><BR>Decay"To live one's full life, One must start and one must end. As joy is to strife, It is growth's only true friend."<BR><BR>Health"When life is so quick, Vim and vigor should not hide. The mind pours the tonic, Body is where it resides."<BR><BR>Ocean"To ride on it's back, One feels the strength of our moons. Sink into it's black, One will gaze at life filled dunes."<BR><BR>Sky"It falls from above, And sinks deep into the lung. True home of the dove, And every song it has sung."<BR><BR>Storm"In numbers they're loud, And forms tempests from breezes. Welcome it's wet shroud, For it's gift replenishes."<BR><BR>"If one stares too long, It will be the last sight seen. From it trees grow strong, Changing yellow into green."<BR><BR>Underfoot"Darkness rules supreme,In the globe below the peat.Just as in a dream,It's gateway is it's conceit."<BR><BR>Hope"When all things are none, When existence is bereft, There will be but one, The only thing that is left."</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>This book has nothing to do with this topic. That book is about the 9 parts of Nature (as in Tunare) that are essential to a druid's life.</P> <P>Besides: There is no god of Hope, and Bertoxxulous and Rodcet Nife have already been ruled out.</P>

[Shankalot]

<DIV>the last god is brell, found him just now =)</DIV>

[troodon]

He was found back on like page 2

[Emerix]

Still no idea how to quote but the things onn the pots was Veeshans symbol .that was discussed in a topic on another forum . wonder if i can find it ..

[Mirander_1]

checked out the caves in EL, and there's nothing<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Emerix wrote:<BR> Still no idea how to quote but the things onn the pots was Veeshans symbol .that was discussed in a topic on another forum . wonder if i can find it ..<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><IMG height=22 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_cut.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=22 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_copy.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=22 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_paste.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=24 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_divider.gif" width=2><IMG alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_bold.gif" border=0><IMG height=22 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_italics.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=22 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_underline.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=22 alt=Strikethrough src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_strikethru.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=24 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_divider.gif" width=2><IMG height=22 alt="Quote Post" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_quote.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=24 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_divider.gif" width=2><SPAN><IMG height=22 alt="Insert Smilies" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_emoticons.gif" width=22 border=0></SPAN><IMG height=24 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_divider.gif" width=2><IMG alt="Insert a Horizontal Line" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_hr.gif" border=0><IMG height=22 alt="Insert a Hyperlink" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_insert-link.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=22 alt="Insert an Image" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_insert-image.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=24 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_divider.gif" width=2><IMG alt="Align Left" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_justify-left.gif" border=0><IMG height=22 alt="Align Center" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_justify-center.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=22 alt="Align Right" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_justify-right.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=24 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_divider.gif" width=2><IMG alt=Outdent src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_indent-left.gif" border=0><IMG height=22 alt=Indent src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_indent-right.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=24 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_divider.gif" width=2><IMG alt="Numbered List" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_list-numbered.gif" border=0><IMG height=22 alt="UnOrdered List" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_list-bullet.gif" width=22 border=0><IMG height=24 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_divider.gif" width=2><IMG height=22 alt="Check Spelling" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/spellcheck.gif" width=22 border=0></P> <P>Click .................................^ That thought bubble to quote.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>and no. Those are not the symbol of Veeshan on the Neriak fire pots.</P>

[xchimaerax]

Prophets of the plaguebringer are in Antonica north east of the ruins of caltorsis on the coast.Gods appear to be:<div>good</div> <div>-Mithanial Marr</div> <div>-Quellious</div> <div>-Tunare</div> <div> </div> <div>neutral</div> <div>-Solusek Ro</div> <div>-Brell Serilis</div> <div>-Rallos Zek</div> <div> </div> <div>Evil</div> <div>-Innoruuk</div> <div>-Cazic Thule-Bertoxxolous</div> <div></div>

[Emerix]

Wee thanks for telling me how to quote !<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xchimaerax wrote:<BR>Prophets of the plaguebringer are in Antonica north east of the ruins of caltorsis on the coast.<BR><BR>Gods appear to be:<BR><BR> <DIV>good</DIV> <DIV>-Mithanial Marr</DIV> <DIV>-Quellious</DIV> <DIV>-Tunare</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>neutral</DIV> <DIV>-Solusek Ro</DIV> <DIV>-Brell Serilis</DIV> <DIV>-Rallos Zek</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Evil</DIV> <DIV>-Innoruuk</DIV> <DIV>-Cazic Thule<BR>-Bertoxxolous<BR></DIV> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?

[KniteShayd]

No one has said if Runnyeye was empty..., I dont think

[Emerix]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>and no. Those are not the symbol of Veeshan on the Neriak fire pots.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Foung in the raven mythic forums :</P> <P>/quote</P> <P>There is alot of very twisted lore here... hmm... Let me explain.<BR><BR>Verant, the original Creators of EQ1, had there own lore and it goes like this.<BR><BR>Of Caerthiel<BR><BR>The Dragons had relinquished their hold over Norrath, and what are now known as the elder races, the Elves and the Dwarves, stepped out from under their gargantuan shadow. The Dwarves sprang forth from the earth, to hold dominion over their mountainous kingdoms. The elves took to the primeval forests of Norrath, creating a vast empire that spanned several continents. Ruling from the city of Caerthiel , the Elves lived in peace, under the guidance of Innoruk, the elven god.<BR><BR>Of the rebellion and the outpost of Wielle<BR><BR>As the corruption in the empire grew, so did the unrest in many elves hearts. They wanted more and more power for themselves. They grew suspicious of the strength of Innoruk, choosing to destroy his works, and kill his servants. At first they were small in size, and weak in power. But as the years went by the rebels grew in leaps and bounds, using treacherous methods to slander the leaders of the Elven Empire. The first sign of the growing rebellion came at the Elven outpost of Wielle, located where the city of Freeport is today. Wielle was loyal to the empire, and therefore, enemies of the rebels. A rebel army under the captain Paetroen savagely attacked it. The citizens of the outpost were killed.<BR><BR>That action shattered centuries of relative peace. Suddenly the Empire had to face a new enemy, a darkness in its mist. The Emperor, Kel'anthinstion, called on all of the citizens of the Empire to fight for the cause of Innoruk. He sent his most trusted advisers, all disciples of Innoruk, to the far reaches of the empire. They were to gather support to fight the rebels and support the unity of the empire. The rebels had sent their own recruiters using underhanded tactics to undermine the populace’s faith in their God. The war droned on for countless years.<BR><BR>Of the battle of Aerignon and the Wild Elves<BR><BR>The war was a stalemate. That changed with the battle of Aerignon, named after the province of the empire where it took place. The loyal forces of the empire thought to catch Paetroen and his rebels unprepared. They attacked him at his home base, just north of Elizerain Lake. Forces were massed and placed under the direct command of the Emperor himself. He was to lead the army of Innoruk to destroy the rebels once and for all. As the army encircled Peatroen's military headquarters, a victory for the blessed forces of Innoruk seemed assured. Out maneuvered and outnumbered, the Rebels could not get enough forces to turn back the impending assault, and escape by any means, was impossible.<BR><BR>But the imperial victory was denied that day, as a third player in the war, the wild elves, tipped there hand. The wild elf was a term used by citizens of the empire for the primitive elves the lived beyond the borders of the empire. They had remained neutral throughout the war, but had succumbed to the rebel’s promises of victory, and had joined the war on their side. What was supposed to be a day of victory for the Empire turned into its greatest defeat. The emperor himself was killed when an wild elf assassin slipped into his tent and killed him from behind. On that day the Empire was doomed.<BR><BR>Of the fall of the Imperial City<BR><BR>The war lasted for several years after the death of the emperor. In desperation, the remaining loyalists sent messengers to the Dwarven Kingdoms for aid against the rebels. They returned, saying the Dwarves were fighting their own war, and would send no help. With the help of new fiendish magic, the Rebels pushed the loyalists back to their capital, Caerthiel, which was in what is now known as the loping planes. Inside, the last of the loyalists huddled in their homes, holding on to the last remnants of their shattered empire. With out a leader to rally them, they were as good as dead.<BR><BR>Help came in the form of a priest of Innoruk, who rose up as leader. His name changes with every telling, but the fact remains that in the dark of the night, the day before the final assault on Caerthiel, the priest led the last of the loyalists in to the earth. Through a chasm that was opened and closed by Innoruk himself. When the Rebel army assaulted the city the next day, they found nothing but a ghost town, devoid of any life.<BR><BR>Of the Elven schism Dark Elves - High Elves - Forest Elves<BR><BR>As the loyalists took refuge underground, the rebels thought themselves the winners of the War of the Broken crown. They took on the moniker "High Elves", while the wild elves became more commonly known as wood elves. Without the loyalists to guide it, the Empire fell apart. The elves that remained on the surface, the high elves, could not stand the symbol of Caerthiel, and in a fit of rage they destroyed it. They created their capital of Felwithe on the very spot where the emperor was murdered, in the battle that destroyed the empire. The loyalists fled east to the wild and uncharted continent of Antonica. There they established the well guarded and underground city of Neriak, where they stayed for many years trying to rebuild their once great empire and all the while plotting for revenge against the rebels who forced them from Faydwer. Having been exposed to decades of low light in their underground kingdom and to harsh conditions, the skin of those elves still loyal to Innoruk has become darker and the elves themselves have been made into warriors guided by the power of their god. They are feared by the denizens of Antonica, who call the loyalists "dark elves."<BR><BR>-The Details-<BR>*Innoruuk was the GOOD god of ALL elves.<BR>*Tunare stole the hearts of some elves.<BR>*The Elven City Felewith was NOT the capitol of Innoruuk's elves, but a city built on the sight of the death of the Emperior.<BR>*Innoruuk traveled with his people thru the tunnel, and on the journey, became twisted by bitterness and hatred over what had happened. The Journey also changed his Loyalists into Dark Elves.<BR><BR><BR>As for why Veeshan is respected by the Teir'dal..<BR><BR>If anyone still has there EQ1 Beta Handbook it explains that well.<BR><BR>Veeshan found Norrath, She marked it, She claimed it.<BR><BR>Brell, Rallos and.. umm.. Raithe? or Prexus? i forget, Decided to take there "fair share" of it from her and planted there own minions on the planet to keep hers in check.<BR><BR>More and More gods kept joining in on the pact to Create Minions here to keep Veeshan in check, but they never invited Innoruuk..<BR><BR>The Writings of the Church of the First Born Theorise that this was done because they feared his power and wanted to take HIS fair share of the planet for themselves.<BR><BR>The Followers of Innoruuk Hate everyone else, because they stole what was innoruuks. They respect Veeshan because she is a goddess, and not just a goddess, but the only one who did not plot against Innoruuk.<BR><BR>In the minds of the Teir'dal, Innoruuk and Veeshan are the only true gods, the others are just "The Lying Ones."<BR><BR><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>The Litany of Birth</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><BR><BR>The Priest shall recite the first lines, and the entire congregation as one shall state each response.<BR><BR>Listen to my words, for my mouth is the Mouth of Innoruuk.<BR><BR>In the time that all was dark, Veeshan, the Winged Mother, came upon this world while hunting. She saw that it was rich and promising, and would nurture her great children, and so here laid her eggs.<BR><BR><SPAN>Hail the Name of the Winged Mother </SPAN><BR><BR>The Creeping Coward Brell Serilis discovered her nest, and through treacherous cunning made pacts with the other gods to steal the world from the Winged Mother.<BR><BR><SPAN>Curse the Name of the Creeping Coward </SPAN><BR><BR>The gods in their council said "Let us not speak of this to Innoruuk, for He is great, but by trickery we may have what is rightfully his, as well."<BR><BR><SPAN>Revile the False Council of Gods </SPAN><BR><BR>Then the gods covered the world with their worms, and these worms crawled to all the corners of the world, and grew into the Others.<BR><BR><SPAN>Hate the Children of Lying Gods </SPAN><BR><BR>But Our Father could not be deceived, nor can he be thwarted.<BR><BR><SPAN>Praise the Will of Innoruuk </SPAN><BR><BR>He took for His own the first Queen and King of all the Elves from their thrones at Takish-Hiz. He led them from Tunare, the False Mother. He lifted them from their ignorance and showed them His Will.<BR><BR><SPAN>Bow to the Name of the Eternal Queen and King </SPAN><BR><BR>We are their children. We are the instruments of Our Father’s Will. We shall destroy the offspring of the false gods and cleanse the world of their treachery. We will deliver this world to Our Father.<BR><BR><SPAN>Strive for the Day of Darkening </SPAN><BR><BR>Thus ends the Litany of Birth<BR><BR><BR>Now, after reading the above, you'll see it contadicts the Legend of Caerthel.. Why? because SoE thought it would be fun to scrap and change the lore Verant had and totally destroy how the game was created to go with something new. And we, as roleplayers, had to adapt to that.<BR>_________________<BR>Skach Olath'Velve,<BR>Demonic Warlock of the Harvest.</P> <P>/quote</P><p>Message Edited by Emerix on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:09 AM</span>

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10188&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>This</A> is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous.</DIV>

[xchimaerax]

<div></div>"Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?"I didnt talk to them but they are set up exactly like the rest of them - 1 at the center of a group, named with <Prophet of the Plaguebringer> under his name with followers around him.  I took a screenshot of it, but I am at work for another hour or so.  I will post the screen when I get home.<div></div><p>Message Edited by xchimaerax on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:40 AM</span>

[Tarkin-Wretch]

<P>sorry emerix but there are established guidelines for what is acceptable eq2 lore.  i wont go into great detail about your post but most of the info in your post does not qualify as acceptable lore in eq2.  its been well documented how dark elves were created.  some beta lore, however creative it may sound, did not make into the game for release therefore it is not correct.  sony did not alter the lore verant had created, at least not in the beginning.  verant was perfectly in control of their vision for a long time.  so your speculation on why that symbol is veeshan doesnt have any facts to back it.</P> <P>i like a healthy debate but lets not confuse facts with fiction.  i have yet to see any proof that its one or the other but if i had to make an educated guess i would say the majority think its not veeshan.  as i said before i think the symbols are gods not races so more specifically i think its inny.  this is my opinion and i have no facts to back it.</P><p>Message Edited by Tarkin-Wretched on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:42 PM</span>

[Lonissa]

Those are mobs that are spawned for the level 20 leather armor quests (it's a dynamic camp, you have to kill a couple rounds of restless caltorsites to spawn the plaguebringer acolytes, or rarely the Priest of the Plaguebringers).  This is not the same as the prophet NPC's that have been discovered.<div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div></div>I went there and didn't see anything.  Are you refering to the Priest of the Plaguebringer and his acolytes who can spawn around the ruins?edit : someone beat me to the post <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />On a side note, could the symbol be for the Nameless?  /shrug<div></div><p>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:42 AM</span>

[xchimaerax]

<div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:Those are mobs that are spawned for the level 20 leather armor quests (it's a dynamic camp, you have to kill a couple rounds of restless caltorsites to spawn the plaguebringer acolytes, or rarely the Priest of the Plaguebringers).  This is not the same as the prophet NPC's that have been discovered.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Ah, since I only play chars from Freeport, I did not know that.  I just happened to be running through to help someone with something and saw them.  I have to admit I was a little surprised no one else posted anything.Oh well, if they are quest mobs, then disregard.  I claim the ignorance of a Freeport dweller.  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></div>

[Emerix]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tarkin-Wretched wrote:<BR> <P>sorry emerix but there are established guidelines for what is acceptable eq2 lore.  i wont go into great detail about your post but most of the info in your post does not qualify as acceptable lore in eq2.  its been well documented how dark elves were created.  some beta lore, however creative it may sound, did not make into the game for release therefore it is not correct.  sony did not alter the lore verant had created, at least not in the beginning.  verant was perfectly in control of their vision for a long time.  so your speculation on why that symbol is veeshan doesnt have any facts to back it.</P> <P>i like a healthy debate but lets not confuse facts with fiction.  i have yet to see any proof that its one or the other but if i had to make an educated guess i would say the majority think its not veeshan.  as i said before i think the symbols are gods not races so more specifically i think its inny.  this is my opinion and i have no facts to back it.</P> <P>Message Edited by Tarkin-Wretched on <SPAN class=date_text>07-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:42 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I guess i just quoted too much . The point of the quote was where the poster said the Dark Elves respect Veeshan because ... etc . If you dont mind reading that part again . I think the Veeshan symbols in neriak may be there because the dark elves respect her for whatever reason they may have . After all is a really mighty .. thing ... And if these symbols werent changed since the game was developed they may still represent the old idea . Even if the lore itself has changed by now . Alas i didnt play EQ 1 for more than few weeks so if you can tell me what those symbols are with proof then please do so .

[Punkbr]

<div><blockquote><hr>xchimaerax wrote:<div></div>"Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?"I didnt talk to them but they are set up exactly like the rest of them - 1 at the center of a group, named with <Prophet of the Plaguebringer> under his name with followers around him.  I took a screenshot of it, but I am at work for another hour or so.  I will post the screen when I get home.<div></div><p>Message Edited by xchimaerax on <span class="date_text">07-20-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:40 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Those mobs have always been there, but I've never seen one with that title under his name.  </div>

[Dreyco]

OOC: If i'm not mistaken, Caerthiel comes from the Codex of War, which is a large work of fan-fiction, not to be confused with canon EverQuest Live Lore.  I believe Vhalen did comment on the symbol of Veeshan, and why it was all over Neriak... in his own, mysterious way as always <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> . I'm wondering... "The Nine" as it is stated by several sources, maybe it's time to turn back to the Tome of Destiny, and some of the older Lore.  How many gods did it mention there? How many "left" Norrath? If there's a match, we might have a bit of a nudge in the right direction of finding just who this last god is.  If I remember correctly, Karana is indeed a part of it.  I might be wrong though! I'd look it up, but there's a rather nasty corporate firewall in my way *Chuckles* <div></div>

[DebasedMora]

I just want to clarify one thing for everyone... I hate when people make distinctions between Verant and SOE... Verant was a subsidiary of Sony. John Smedly was the head of Verant, and an employee of Sony. Verant was partially disolved and partially changed into RedEye, but Sony didn't like the name I guess, and decided to make a final switch to Sony Online Entertainment. Smedly has been at the helm of Sonys MMOs since the begining. Verant wasn't bought out, they were always owned by Sony. Thus, The Lore we have in-game is the Official John Smedly, Sony Approved Lore. Beta Lore has nothing to do with In-Game Lore. Because, and I reitterate, it is not Sony Approved, because has been, at every stage in the development of Everquest, involved in the development process.<div></div>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10188&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>This</A> is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thats what i was talking about.  this and the lore of the dark elves.

[VizP]

<div></div>Guys - there was never a 'Prophet of the Plaguebringer there' previous.. the rare spawn you are thinking about is the 'Priest of the Plaguebringer' - the priest of the plaguebringer was a rare spawn and there were plaguebringer acolytes there.It seems that this has now been replaced by a 'prophet'. It looks pretty much like the last god is the one of death and decay - bertox which makes sense since it brings the full evil god count to three - Cazik, Innoruuk and Bertox - the big threesome.The prophet is basically in the same spot as the previous priests and acolytes which again makes sense since its a known gathering spot for some of his followers so his prophet would likely choose that spot. Ill try grab screenshots now and post (time to get back to Antonica yey! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )<div></div><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:27 AM</span>

[Mirander_1]

Ok, I looked for the Bertoxx prophet and found nothing.  Just to be sure, we are talking about an NPC that gives dialouge, and not a MOB that you kill, right?<div></div>

[Sedden]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> VizP wrote:<BR> Guys - there was never a 'Prophet of the Plaguebringer there' previous.. the rare spawn you are thinking about is the 'Priest of the Plaguebringer' - the priest of the plaguebringer was a rare spawn and there were plaguebringer acolytes there.<BR><BR>It seems that this has now been replaced by a 'prophet'. It looks pretty much like the last god is the one of death and decay - bertox which makes sense since it brings the full evil god count to three - Cazik, Innoruuk and Bertox - the big threesome.<BR><BR>The prophet is basically in the same spot as the previous priests and acolytes which again makes sense since its a known gathering spot for some of his followers so his prophet would likely choose that spot. Ill try grab screenshots now and post (time to get back to Antonica yey! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )<BR> <P>Message Edited by VizP on <SPAN class=date_text>07-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:27 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Then this "Prophet" is only on your server because he's not on mine because im been out at the ruins for awhile now and there is no prophet of the Plaguebringer so either post a screenshot or drop it</P> <P>Only thing i found was the same old Priest of the Plaguebringer mob</P><p>Message Edited by Sedden on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:12 PM</span>

[shadowscale]

<DIV>it cant be bert anyway, unless one of the three evil gods already mentiond is actualy neutral</DIV>

[troodon]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote: <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10188&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>This</A> is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Thats what i was talking about.  this and the lore of the dark elves. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>There's no substantiation of the claim there, just two people claiming it's Veeshan's symbol.</P> <P>To Emerix: <EM>Verant</EM> scrapped the Caerthiel lore, seeing as SOE didn't acquire Verant until <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verant_Interactive" target=_blank>June 1, 2000</A>.  And that's a weak-sauce explanation for why the Teir'Dal would create icons of Veeshan; a whole race who are fanatical zealots for a single god are not going to put another god's symbol all over their stuff.</P>

[KniteShayd]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote: <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10188&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>This</A> is the original post that refers to the Veeshan symbol and the Neriak one being synonymous.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Thats what i was talking about.  this and the lore of the dark elves. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>There's no substantiation of the claim there, just two people claiming it's Veeshan's symbol.</P> <P>To Emerix: <EM>Verant</EM> scrapped the Caerthiel lore, seeing as SOE didn't acquire Verant until <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verant_Interactive" target=_blank>June 1, 2000</A>.  And that's a weak-sauce explanation for why the Teir'Dal would create icons of Veeshan; a whole race who are fanatical zealots for a single god are not going to put another god's symbol all over their stuff.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <P>Did you read Vhalen's posting? he said that they (veeshan's symbol) are there (In neriak) but there is no info on who put em there, or how they got thier, or why.</P> <P>If this was the case, the lore that was stated, then that would make sense.  Perhaps Vhalen can clarify this? </P> <P>/turns to Vhalen with raised eyebrows</P>

[RaphaNissi]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see where he confirmed or denied it was Veeshan's symbol.  <div></div>

[Punkbr]

<div><blockquote><hr>xchimaerax wrote:<div></div>"Those plaguebringer guys were always there . Did they get some text like the other gods prophets ?"I didnt talk to them but they are set up exactly like the rest of them - 1 at the center of a group, named with <Prophet of the Plaguebringer> under his name with followers around him.  I took a screenshot of it, but I am at work for another hour or so.  I will post the screen when I get home.<div></div><p>Message Edited by xchimaerax on <span class="date_text">07-20-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:40 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>We're still waiting for that screenshot :</div>

[troodon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote:<BR> <P>Did you read Vhalen's posting? he said that they (veeshan's symbol) are there (In neriak) but there is no info on who put em there, or how they got thier, or why.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>?</P> <P>Vhalen didn't say anything about that being Veeshan's symbol. </P><p>Message Edited by troodon on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:41 PM</span>

[DebasedMora]

@troodonOK, for the last time, stop spreading falsities. Sony never "Acquired" Verant. Sony ALWAYS owned Verant. It was a SUBSIDIARY of Sony Corp. since 1999, when it was launched with Smedly at its head.Stop disassociating the two names, because its always been the same company. <div></div>

[troodon]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DebasedMorals wrote: @troodon OK, for the last time, stop spreading falsities. Sony never "Acquired" Verant. Sony ALWAYS owned Verant. It was a SUBSIDIARY of Sony Corp. since 1999, when it was launched with Smedly at its head. Stop disassociating the two names, because its always been the same company. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>My point was that Verant still existed up until well after the game's launch.  Thank you for picking a meaningless nit.</P> <P>By the way, DebasedMorals, here is how  <A href="http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51136&page=9&highlight=verant" target=_blank>Brad McQuaid</A> characterized the deal:</P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <P></P> <HR> Aradune Mithara wrote: <P>When SOE <EM>bought</EM> <SPAN class=highlight>Verant</SPAN>, I was still around for quite a while. I left at the end of Luclin (October 01)..... The 'sell out' occured well before me leaving. SOE <EM>bought</EM> <SPAN class=highlight>Verant</SPAN> soon after EQ came out -- I was still there at SOE when we made Kunark, Velious, and left like I said a couple of months before Luclin.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Emphasis mine.<p>Message Edited by troodon on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:55 PM</span>

[DebasedMora]

<font face="Arial" size="3">Let me give you the time line OK?<b>Sony Interactive Studios America started a branch called 989 Studios. Verant was spun off from 989 Studios... BOTH of which were owned, as Subsidiaries, by </b><b>Sony Interactive Studios America / 989 Studios / SOE.</b><b>So, here is the timeline:<u>1995</u> - Sony Interactive Studios America (SISA) is formed as a branch of Sony Computer Entertainment America.<u>1996</u> - John Smedly is put in charge of SISA</b></font><a href="http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/19841" target=_blank><font face="Arial" size="3"><b> March 30, 1998</b> <b>- Sony Online Entertainment is formed from Sony Corp. of America and Sony Pictures Entertainment</b></font></a><font face="Arial" size="3"><b></b></font><b><font face="Arial" size="3"><u>April 1, 1998</u> - Sony Interactive Studios America changes its name to 989 Studios (John Smedly still in charge)<u>Later 1998</u> - EQ was put into Beta. It is credited with being developed by 989, and published by SOE.<u>At the end of 1998 / Binging 1999</u> - 989 Studios new focus was on Console Games for the PS, and a new "Computer Game" branch was spun off to handle the further development of EQ </font></b><b><font face="Arial" size="3">first called RedEye Interactive, then quickly renamed to Verant Interactive, but still as a Subsidiary of 989 Studios.<u>March 1999</u> - EQ was Released.<u>April 1, 2000</u> - 989 Studios is merged back into SCEA<u>June 1, 2000</u> - SOE "bought", read put in charge, of Verant Interactive, Inc. Brad McQuaid was eventually put in charge as CEO.<u>October 1, 2001</u> - McQuiad leaves and Smedly gets moved in from 989 to take charge. You know the rest from there...Yeah <i>The Vision</i> might not be the same. SOE has a high tendency to give into pressure from declining subscription to make "modifications" that aren't necessarily in th e "best" interest of lore, but do make the game play dumbed down in order for more people to get interested. So you get a stable and ever slightly increasing pop. But hardcore lore fanatic gamers get the wash, we in the minority <span>:smileywink:</span>.  Anyway, point being. Its all owned by Sony back in Japan. The game wasn't changed due to Verant being "bought" by Sony. It changed because of market demands and pressures. Get over the evil SOE bullcrap, it is and always has been the same evil company  <span><span>:mansurprised:</span></span></font></b><div></div>

[DebasedMora]

that Brad McQuiad BS line is what pisses me off. He was not producing revenue for Sony, so they pushed him out. So he goes off to make Vanguard: Sage of Heros... guess what he still can't handle crap on the business end. Yeah he makes a mean design model, but the man just doesn't know his [Removed for Content] from his elbow when it comes to business. thats why SOE was called back in to handle the marketing, tech support, and servers for Vanguard...In the end, Verant was a subsidiary of Sony, technically Verant is still the "developer" within SOE for MMORPGS.<div></div>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shadowscale wrote:<BR> <DIV>it cant be bert anyway, unless one of the three evil gods already mentiond is actualy neutral</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I haven't seen anything from a developer about which gods are good and which are evil, with the exception of Mithianiel Marr and Innoruuk.  </P> <P>I'm not going to dispute that Tunare is a good goddess that did wonderful things, or that Rallos Zek was an SOB that did vile things.  However, War is not a necessarily evil concept, nor is Fear; Growth is not necessarily good, neither is Peace (Tranquility).  <BR></P>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Coccinea_Maga wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> shadowscale wrote: <div>it cant be bert anyway, unless one of the three evil gods already mentiond is actualy neutral</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>I haven't seen anything from a developer about which gods are good and which are evil, with the exception of Mithianiel Marr and Innoruuk.  </p> <p>I'm not going to dispute that Tunare is a good goddess that did wonderful things, or that Rallos Zek was an SOB that did vile things.  However, War is not a necessarily evil concept, nor is Fear; Growth is not necessarily good, neither is Peace (Tranquility).  </p><hr></blockquote>Rallos is pretty evil in EQ lore.  He and his armies tried to destroy the Rathe council and he and Solusek tried to use the Behemouth and the Dresolik to do some real damage to Norrath.  He's enemies with Quellious (Who is a good god) and allied with Innoruuk and Cazic (Who are evil gods).  Granted he's listed as being enemies with Bertoxx but all evil people (like all good people) don't have to get along.Don't get the gods alignment confused with the concept that they represent.  Just because war isn't evil in essence doesn't mean that the god of war isn't evil.  The concept of honor isn't inherently good (or the concept of Lawful Evil would be non-existant) yet Mithaniel Marr is a good god.  The abstract concepts that the gods represent can often be viewed without alignment; however the gods themselves have personalities that are very influenced by (or have a "heavy influence on" depending on your point of view) their alignment.(So yes, Rallos is going to be restricted to evil aligned players) - Lyndro I guess this puts to rest some of the arguements around here. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Emerix]

I <think> the rare pop of those priests of decay was a prophet . BUT that were all just mobs no npcs

[Lonissa]

<div><blockquote><hr>VizP wrote:<div></div>Guys - there was never a 'Prophet of the Plaguebringer there' previous.. the rare spawn you are thinking about is the 'Priest of the Plaguebringer' - the priest of the plaguebringer was a rare spawn and there were plaguebringer acolytes there.It seems that this has now been replaced by a 'prophet'. It looks pretty much like the last god is the one of death and decay - bertox which makes sense since it brings the full evil god count to three - Cazik, Innoruuk and Bertox - the big threesome.The prophet is basically in the same spot as the previous priests and acolytes which again makes sense since its a known gathering spot for some of his followers so his prophet would likely choose that spot. Ill try grab screenshots now and post (time to get back to Antonica yey! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )<div></div><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class="date_text">07-20-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:27 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I'm betting the guy that posted about the "Prophet of the Plaguebringer" simply mistook the Priest of the Plaguebringer for a prophet.  Unless you've seen this "prophet" and can post proof, the 9th prophet is still a mystery.</div>

[wayfaerer]

The 9th prophet is in the same place the frogloks were at release.<div></div>

[Lonissa]

<div><blockquote><hr>wayfaerer wrote:The 9th prophet is in the same place the frogloks were at release.<div></div><hr></blockquote><span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></div>