The Nine Prophets

[VizP]

Well I DID try and find a screenshot - for the guy who told me to post a screenshot or drop it, what part of 'Im about to go and find a screenshot and Ill come back and post it' part didnt you understand? So I went and did just that.. I went off to Antonica and all I can say is...I was going on the basis that the previous poster talking about a Prophet of the Plaguebringer wasnt talking crap and had actually seen it. You see - there is NO Prophet of the Plaguebringer npc - the rare npc is called 'the Priest of the Plaguebringer' and the standard npcs are called 'Acolytes of the plaguebringer' - this is confirned by the EQ2 Ogaming database.When this guy posted that he had seen a 'Prophet of the Plaguebringer' there and other people stated that was the rare spawn, I thought to myself 'aha', that IS a new mob, I think we've found the last god.. let me go and take shot. Course he 'isnt' there which simply means that the guy that claimed to have seen the Prophet there was talking a bunch of horse manure. Since if that npc DOES exist, he sure as heck isnt there and that ISNT the rare spawn.There we go - the mystery of the final prophet returns.-----<div></div>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>I guess this puts to rest some of the arguements around here. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>To her defense, at the time of Lorelily's post, no developer had yet posted on the subject.  Lyndro made his post a full 8 minutes after Lorelily made her's.  :smileywink:</P> <P>But yes, it does put some of the arguments to rest - at least regarding Rallos.  Of course, the point remains that a few folks within this forum (and within most forums actually) have a habit of posting personal opinion as if it were absolute gospel and fact.  I believe that was Lorelily's point (though she tends to be more subtle and diplomatic than myself). </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Wow. I've been gone all day and the thread nearly derails itself.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Oh yeah: FYI:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8141#M8141" target=_blank><FONT size=4>Lyndro just CONFIRMED that Rallos Zek is an evil god.</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8144#M8144" target=_blank><FONT size=4>And he also confirmed (well... sort of...) that Solusek Ro is rightfully Neutral despite all the trouble he's caused in EQlive.</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That rules out Bertoxxulous outright.</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Kendricke wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> RaphaNissi wrote: <div>I guess this puts to rest some of the arguements around here. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <hr> </div></blockquote> <p>To her defense, at the time of Lorelily's post, no developer had yet posted on the subject.  Lyndro made his post a full 8 minutes after Lorelily made her's.  :smileywink:</p> <p>But yes, it does put some of the arguments to rest - at least regarding Rallos.  Of course, the point remains that a few folks within this forum (and within most forums actually) have a habit of posting personal opinion as if it were absolute gospel and fact.  I believe that was Lorelily's point (though she tends to be more subtle and diplomatic than myself). </p> <hr></blockquote>Doh, I wasn't meaning it in a bad way, thus the <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  There were other posts about the same subject as well, but hers was the lastest one that talked about it.  I completely understand what you are saying about personal opinion as gospel.  It is nice to have a dev confirm/deny opinions.</div>

[VizP]

Well with the developer post just stating that the restrictions and 'nature' of a deity have little to do with what they represent (war, nature etc) but the actual characteristics and personality of the deities, you can whittle down the identity of the final God by a process of elimination.If you go by the premises that it will be 3-3-3 with 3 Freeport only, 3 Qeynos only and 3 Neutral, we know all the Good and Evil sides already.We know for a fact Cazik Thule, Innoruuk and Rallos are evil only because devs stated this fact about Innoruuk and now Rallos and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realise Cazik is evil only.We know for a fact Quellious and Mithaniel Marr are good only because Mith Marr was stated as good only in an earlier dev interview and in the last dev post on Rallos, the developer stated that Quellious was a 'good' god and the enemy of Rallos Zek.  This pretty much confirms that if Rallos is Freeport only, Quellious is definitely good only. This leaves Tunare which we pretty much knew was going to be Good only - even though the argument that nature was neutral was presented, its just been indicated as not a factor by a devs. Tunare was firmly on the side of good in the Tome of Destiny. So with Tunare taking the last spot, thats the three Good only.It leaves us with three neutral gods. We know two of these - Solusek Ro and Brell. While the devs are not confirming Soluerk's restrictions, it can't be evil only since it would make the freeport side have 4 choices. If they do that, then they are left with needing a good only good to balance and that can only be Karana left from the choices due to Tome of Destiny. I really doubt its going to be 4 good, 4 evil and 1 neutral since it limits choice when 3-3-3 allows much more freedom (i.e. each player has a choice of 6 rather than 5 gods).So.. its its 4 good, 4 evil and 1 neutral, Brell remains the neutral and the last god is almost definitely Karana.HOWEVER and much more likely if it is 3-3-3 than these are the choices of the final neutral spot:- Bristlebane- Veeshan- PrexusOne would want to discard Prexus immediately since I really dont think that god has enough to draw interest compared to all the others. In a Bristlebane vs Veeshan contest, I would have thought Bristlebane first but in truth Im being drawn much more to Veeshan now. Think of it though, its definitely one or the other - both of these prophets would remain aloof for obvious reasons... one is a prophet of the Mother of Dragons and so his or her target audience is rather specific (dragonkin, related etc.. likely not lesser races *cough*) and Bristlebane's prophet would likely be just like the deity.. 'annoying'.Im drawn more to Veeshan though because KoS brought us closer to the topic of dragonkind and the whole premise. Bristlebane just doesnt seem firm enough while Veeshan can have a lot more serious and interesting lore connected.So... my bet is on Veeshan and a prophet of Veeshan is likely sitting somewhere that would be appropriate for Her...<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Its Cazic Thule, not Cazik Thule. Sorry to nitpick but you kept spelling it with a K all the time.</DIV>

[xchimaerax]

<div></div>Humble apologies for leading anyone astray.  I never go to Antonica, and have only played chars from Freeport - Assassin, Brigand, Defiler.I didn't mean to spread "horse manure."  I honestly thought I was helping.  So sorry.<div></div><p>Message Edited by xchimaerax on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:55 PM</span>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>xchimaerax wrote:<div></div>Humble apologies for leading anyone astray.  I never go to Antonica, and have only played chars from Freeport - Assassin, Brigand, Defiler.I didn't mean to spread "horse manure."  I honestly thought I was helping.  So sorry.<div></div><p>Message Edited by xchimaerax on <span class="date_text">07-20-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:55 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>It's ok <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8144#M8144" target=_blank>And he also confirmed (well... sort of...) that Solusek Ro is rightfully Neutral despite all the trouble he's caused in EQlive.</A></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That's not actually a confirmation.  In fact, Lyndro states clearly that he's NOT confirming where Solusek Ro falls within Everquest 2.  This type of comment is what I was referring to with the whole "<EM>personal opinion does not equal fact</EM>" subject.  You may be right that Solusek Ro is neutral.  In fact, my personal thought is that this will be the case as well.  However, what you and I believe is not the same as a factual confirmation.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8144#M8144" target=_blank>And he also confirmed (well... sort of...) that Solusek Ro is rightfully Neutral despite all the trouble he's caused in EQlive.</A></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That's not actually a confirmation.  In fact, Lyndro states clearly that he's NOT confirming where Solusek Ro falls within Everquest 2.  This type of comment is what I was referring to with the whole "<EM>personal opinion does not equal fact</EM>" subject.  You may be right that Solusek Ro is neutral.  In fact, my personal thought is that this will be the case as well.  However, what you and I believe is not the same as a factual confirmation.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thats why I said "(well... sort of...)"</P> <P> </P> <P>Regardless. His confirmation that he was neutral in EQlive still makes him Neutral in EQ2 since he confirmed that Rallos Zek is an evil god (and Danak himself confirms that his own god of Cazic Thule is evil as well).</P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>I don't think you can determine a god's alignment purely through their actions in the Tome of Destiny.  After all, both Brell's and Cazic's forces ended up opposing the Ralloians in the end, but their not going to be good gods.  So it's still perfectly possible that Karana is in as neutral god number 3 in spite of being on the good side in the story, and in my oppinion is still the most likely candidate for the job<div></div>

[Jida]

<div><blockquote><hr>VizP wrote:*snip*HOWEVER and much more likely if it is 3-3-3 than these are the choices of the final neutral spot:- Bristlebane- Veeshan- Prexus*snip*So... my bet is on Veeshan and a prophet of Veeshan is likely sitting somewhere that would be appropriate for Her...<div></div><hr></blockquote>Anyone visit naggy lately?</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The Tome of Destiny has nothing to do with this. Everyone knows that Karana is Neutral.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If Storms were "Good" then we wouldn't have lightning and tornados and hail causing destruction.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:05 PM</span>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Kendricke wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Cusashorn wrote: <div></div> <div> </div> <div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8144#M8144" target="_blank">And he also confirmed (well... sort of...) that Solusek Ro is rightfully Neutral despite all the trouble he's caused in EQlive.</a></div> <div> <hr> </div></blockquote> <p>That's not actually a confirmation.  In fact, Lyndro states clearly that he's NOT confirming where Solusek Ro falls within Everquest 2.  This type of comment is what I was referring to with the whole "<em>personal opinion does not equal fact</em>" subject.  You may be right that Solusek Ro is neutral.  In fact, my personal thought is that this will be the case as well.  However, what you and I believe is not the same as a factual confirmation.</p> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Thats why I said "(well... sort of...)"</p> <p>Regardless. His confirmation that he was neutral in EQlive still makes him Neutral in EQ2 since he confirmed that Rallos Zek is an evil god (and Danak himself confirms that his own god of Cazic Thule is evil as well).</p><hr></blockquote>What Lyndro said was that he was "<font color="#ff0000">mostly pointing out that Rallos was, without question, evil in EQ 1's lore</font>"  and that he "<font color="#ff0000">won't say where he's</font> <font color="#33ccff">[Solusek Ro]</font> <font color="#ff0000">going to fall with us</font> <font color="#33ccff">[EQ2 and it's lore]</font>."  That is the exact opposite of a confirmation.  It doesn't even fall into the "sort of" catagory.My personal belief follows yours and Kendricke's, that Solusek Ro will be a neutral god.  However, who knows what type of personality shift he might have gone through in the 500 years, since he was last seen?  Not you, not Kendricke  ....  only the developers know, and they aren't sharing right now.<font color="#33ccff">*[additions for clarity]</font></div><p>Message Edited by Coccinea_Maga on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:19 PM</span>

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">I disagree, while I have no real proof, and it is mostly a desire [mine] to have a creator type god in game (<font color="#66cc00"><i>For those who feel ooky about worshiping "gods" due to IRL religions</i></font>) I feel that <font color="#cc0000">The Nameless</font> could be a "Catch All" for those types.  Not to mention that if there is a political uproar they can point to it or agnostism as a choice. This may not be a popular idea, but you have to admit that <font color="#cc0000">The Nameless</font> would be a perfect Neutral and the fact that he/she/it/hir was never takable in EQ1 (but existed) would add a dimension of "<font color="#ffff00">Newness</font>" that the return of the <font color="#996600">Same ole, same ole </font>won't have. After all, not everybody is going to go running back to the aspect godlings that abandoned them before. Especially with the Betrayal Quests in game, I know that my Teir'Dal Monk is not likely to be worshiping Inny. </font></font></font><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Zabjade, I applaude your fascination with The Nameless. I really do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But even you must realize that the god equivalent of the Big Bang Theory just won't be a choice, right?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's the god that created the Universe. Nothing more, nothing less. Norrath is only one of millions of planets out there that was created. A god of that magnitude would not even notice if you worshiped or cursed it's name, because it's not its place to care. It's niether a god of influence or a god of nature.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Worshipping the Nameless would be like asking for diety benefits just because you exist.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not putting you down or anything like that. I really do enjoy how you enjoy it so much. I'm just wondering if you realize the Why's and reasons.</DIV>

[troodon]

<P>I vote for the Nameless to be an option, even if it gives no benefits.  You worship it for RP reasons only.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote:<BR> <P>I vote for the Nameless to be an option, even if it gives no benefits.  You worship it for RP reasons only.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just one of those "Its great to be alive" things, huh?

[troodon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR>Just one of those "Its great to be alive" things, huh?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well, one could consider it the option for people who prefer to be agnostic.  They don't want to worship any of these petty gods, but there has to be something that created everything.</P> <P>Not that they'd do it, but it would be cool.</P>

[Paladin776]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Well, one could consider it the option for people who prefer to be agnostic.  They don't want to worship any of these petty gods, but there has to be something that created everything.</P> <P>Not that they'd do it, but it would be cool.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Would someone who is agnostic even worship The Nameless?  No....As agnositicsm is a lack of knowledge of any higher power. They wouldn't worship or even revere The Nameless, because to them, there is no definitive proof that he exists. (As opposed to Atheism, which actively denies the existence of any higher power.) And, for that matter, would The Nameless even care?</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Paladin776 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Well, one could consider it the option for people who prefer to be agnostic.  They don't want to worship any of these petty gods, but there has to be something that created everything.</P> <P>Not that they'd do it, but it would be cool.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Would someone who is agnostic even worship The Nameless?  No....As agnositicsm is a lack of knowledge of any higher power. They wouldn't worship or even revere The Nameless, because to them, there is no definitive proof that he exists. (As opposed to Atheism, which actively denies the existence of any higher power.) And, for that matter, would The Nameless even care?</P> <P><BR> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The "CHOICE" to not follow a god. Not a lack of knowledge of the existance there-in.</P> <P> </P> <P>And as I said, the Nameless created the Universe. Nothing more, nothing less. Its not its job to care. You can curse its name and it wont spite you. You can praise its name and it wont bless you.</P>

[troodon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Paladin776 wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Would someone who is agnostic even worship The Nameless?  No....As agnositicsm is a lack of knowledge of any higher power. They wouldn't worship or even revere The Nameless, because to them, there is no definitive proof that he exists. (As opposed to Atheism, which actively denies the existence of any higher power.) And, for that matter, would The Nameless even care?</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Wow, thanks for the definition of agnosticism; I had no idea what it was!</P> <P>Dude, I was just spitballing a way of manipulating a game mechanic to not force people to worship a deity in the pantheon. </P><p>Message Edited by troodon on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:58 PM</span>

[Ozymundas]

<DIV>Wow.... so has anyone found the 9th prophet yet?  I liked the suggestion of checking Naggy's lair.  I'd go, but it's late.  </DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

Maybe we should throw this thread back on topic of the nine prophets.  We seem to be getting into areas and philosophies of real life religion instead of just game. (and no, I don't mean just atheism/agnosticism)  I have a feeling we aren't going to know about the 9th prophet and god till much closer to launch.  All the obvious choices have been searched and searched again by countless people.  It's a mystery and we aren't going to get any answers from devs any time soon (note VH hasn't posted ONCE in 11 pages even for a hint).  We're just spinning our wheels by talking about this any more IMHO. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Zabjade]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Zabjade, I applaude your fascination with The Nameless. I really do.</div> <div> </div> <div>But even you must realize that the god equivalent of the Big Bang Theory just won't be a choice, right?</div> <div>  <font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">LOL Most scientist Worship the "Big Bang Theory" here on Earth even if they don't admit it to themselves even.</font></font></font> </div> <div> </div> <div>It's the god that created the Universe. Nothing more, nothing less. Norrath is only one of millions of planets out there that was created. A god of that magnitude would not even notice if you worshiped or cursed it's name, because it's not its place to care. It's niether a god of influence or a god of nature. <font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font color="#66ff00">I'd say Creation is a Big influence, <span>:smileywink:</span> and the Universe has many Natures. And how can a God of that magnitude not be aware of his creations. He might care for all we know, just might not interfere with your choice.</font> </font></font></div> <div> </div> <div>Worshipping the Nameless would be like asking for diety benefits just because you exist. <font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">That is how it is with many religions, but I'd like my characters to not be the type to compliment a portrait for it's existince rather then giving credit to the artist.</font></font></font> </div> <div> </div> <div>I'm not putting you down or anything like that. I really do enjoy how you enjoy it so much. I'm just wondering if you realize the Why's and reasons.</div><hr></blockquote><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Of course other then the creation story, little is know about The Nameless, it would be easy to say thathe/she/hir/it went inactive or turned it's attention elsewhere, but in the end we really have no data on what happened afterward.  For all we know, The Nameless is still around moving behind the scenes maybe even helping Zeb find the info that he needed to challange the other godlings so they don't get too full of themselves. <span>:smileyvery-happy: But that is just a supposition and not really a debate point. </span></font></font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by Zabjade on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:09 PM</span>

[Alikari]

<P>as far as the 9th not being in game yet.... why would they tell us there are 9 prophets now in norrath instead of 8 and then later saying a 9th has been found when adding him? i believe vhalen hasnt said anything because he just wants us to find it on our own... more than likely its in some obvious place and hes laughing his [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off that no one has found it yet.</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Zones and Population ***<BR><BR></FONT></STRONG>- Enlightened by recent events on the island of Mara, nine elect Norrathians have begun a spiritual quest prophesying the return of the very gods themselves! <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P>

[NaeenSpeedbringer]

There is nothing new in Naggy's Lair.  I was there last night.

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alikari wrote:<BR> <P>as far as the 9th not being in game yet.... why would they tell us there are 9 prophets now in norrath instead of 8 and then later saying a 9th has been found when adding him? i believe vhalen hasnt said anything because he just wants us to find it on our own... more than likely its in some obvious place and hes laughing his [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off that no one has found it yet.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Zones and Population ***<BR><BR></FONT></STRONG>- Enlightened by recent events on the island of Mara, nine elect Norrathians have begun a spiritual quest prophesying the return of the very gods themselves! <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>C'mon.  This is SoE.  How many times has SoE said "this is fixed" or "this is happening" and whatever it was they said wasn't working, or fixed, or in-game?   It's not outside the realm of possibilities that they forgot to put the 9th prophet in-game, or they forgot to tag the prophet as a prophet, or the prophet is just bugged.  Let's be realistic, people.  SoE gets it wrong a lot.</P> <P>There are many people on probably every server looking for the 9th prophet and no one so far has found it.  Are all of us just stupid, or did SoE goof it up?</P>

[Ishbu]

Food for thought:After talking to Zeb after killing Chel'drak he tells you to go out and spread the word. Perhaps WE are the 9th prophet? After all Zeb talks about how he has his own realm (read - plane) and he is about as neutral as they come. Perhaps Zeb is a full fledged god now and we are his prophet. Is that even a possibility?

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ishboozor wrote:<BR>Food for thought:<BR><BR>After talking to Zeb after killing Chel'drak he tells you to go out and spread the word. Perhaps WE are the 9th prophet? After all Zeb talks about how he has his own realm (read - plane) and he is about as neutral as they come. Perhaps Zeb is a full fledged god now and we are his prophet. Is that even a possibility?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I doubt it.  The info SoE put out specifically states there are 9 prophets, and of the 8 prophets found thus far all have the "Prophet" tag over their heads; they are all in areas that make it likely someone would stumble into them fairly easily.

[thesilverf]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ishboozor wrote:<BR>Food for thought:<BR><BR>After talking to Zeb after killing Chel'drak he tells you to go out and spread the word. Perhaps WE are the 9th prophet? After all Zeb talks about how he has his own realm (read - plane) and he is about as neutral as they come. Perhaps Zeb is a full fledged god now and we are his prophet. Is that even a possibility?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ok, long shot...  Did any of you get a title after killing Chel'drak, or finishing the quest?  I doub't Disso would miss something like that, but maybe there was no text, or it went only to the kill shot?  It would be pretty cool if the first kill on the server named people as Prophet of Zeb or what not.  Make players part of the game lore. </P> <P>But...  I would guess when serving these gods and getting their abilities, we'd be interacting with the Prophets as opposed to the gods.  Not something SoE would have a player do.  </P> <P>Didn't some people get titles after clearing the vampire from bloodlines?  Or was it just the Froglok and plague event. <BR></P>

[Ishbu]

Nope no titles. Reading through Zeb's text again it seems he makes it fairly clear that the 9 prophets have come forth, so I guess that rules us out. Although he still wants us to spread the word of the God's return. Somehow I still think that Zeb is now a full God and he is going to be a deity chioce in EoF.

[VizP]

About Veeshan and Nag's lair - I was thinking just that and making a trip down there (though it would be rather odd.. I suppose a case of perhaps Veeshan's prophet meeting Nagafen and you stumbling upon that meeting) but as someone else checked out, no sign.About Karana - the developer stated it is about the characteristics and personality of a deity not their specific realm and lets be honest, Karana isnt neutral is he... is an embodiment of rather positive forces than neutral? Brell as always adopted a neutral standpoint pretty much living his own 'life' so to speak and what he felt is best and in the same was Solusek as done the same. Karana on the other hand much like Tunare seemed to have focussed on the positivities and believed in the mortals? Nah I still say its down to Bristlebane vs Veeshan from my hypothesis and I'd bet on Veeshan now. A pretty exciting prospect though isnt She?<div></div>

[Stuge]

Assuming neutrality, I'm going to guess #9 will be found to be The Tribunal.  For absolutely no reason.  Just a guess.<div></div>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>If there was a prophet of Veeshan, I'd start looking in KoS.</DIV>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV>

[Cyrikk]

<div><blockquote><hr>vinterskugge wrote:<div>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</div><hr>Wow - Very Interesting stuff. Sure sounds very relevant to whats about to go down. Just wished I was better versed in Lore to know exactly what he's saying. Cant wait for the "Lore Pro's" to break this stuff down.  Things are getting very exciting in Norrath <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> .</blockquote></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV>Zhen Mei says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Obelisk of Lost Souls?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>Mayong Mistmoore?</FONT></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>

[hahn_ba]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>No clue, I'm going to guess that something has changed in the Pantheon.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Shissar? </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>This obviously is a reference to Qeynos and Freeport having to join back together to battle whatever comes. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Sounds to me like The Nine will be passing on the mantle. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Prophetic noise about things finally paying off at the end. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Now this is interesting - there was never a God known as the lord of darkness... perhaps a Maiden of Shadow... but the closest thing I can think of is either The Nameless or something in regards to the Obelisk. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>The Forbidden Two? Not a clue. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Nagafen is the Crimson King. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Tunare. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Dunno.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Obvious.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Ratonga scheming. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>I'm torn between Rallos (though he'd be a General most likely) and Mithaniel Marr. But it's probably in reference to some mortal. </FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[thesilverf]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Cryptic, but maybe just a reference to how things may have changed a great deall from 500 years ago</FONT>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Sounds to me like a reference to Cazic, and his serpents.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Spelling error?  Should that read twain?  I don't rememebr any gods being split in two. For this to mean Freeport and Qeynos, they weren't exactly split at the dawn of time.   Or is this order and chaos standing together against the end of all things.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Pretty straightforawrd here...</FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Is this a reference to some new lord of the void?  </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>No Idea</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Orbs a reference to Naggy's prismatic eggs?  Or possibly the crimson lord is Sol Ro... meh..</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Tunare</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>No clue</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Interesting... Sounds like we shouldn't expect Veeshan anytime soon.  Or just a direct reference tot he fact that the recent plot of the dragons is failing..  All the generals are dead on most servers.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>The sea of black deep beneath Norrath will produce some enemies... probably end game raids of EoF?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Sounds like Rallos Zek to me.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Rashaak]

<P>You must of not been around when they said Frogloks were in-game at the start and had to be unlocked through a series of quests, but yet ... it took them about 6 months to get them unlocked.</P> <P>SoE may not  down right lie...but they have a tendency to stretch the truth a bit  (it's called marketing and advertisement) :smileytongue:<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alikari wrote:<BR> <P>as far as the 9th not being in game yet.... why would they tell us there are 9 prophets now in norrath instead of 8 and then later saying a 9th has been found when adding him? i believe vhalen hasnt said anything because he just wants us to find it on our own... more than likely its in some obvious place and hes laughing his [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off that no one has found it yet.</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Zones and Population ***<BR><BR></FONT></STRONG>- Enlightened by recent events on the island of Mara, nine elect Norrathians have begun a spiritual quest prophesying the return of the very gods themselves! <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Hukklebuk]

<div><font color="#ff9933">stretching some of this a bit... see notes</font><blockquote><hr>hahn_bard wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> vinterskugge wrote: <div>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">No clue, I'm going to guess that something has changed in the Pantheon.<font color="#ff9933">Antonia Bayle...?  (wow that's a real reach)</font></font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">Shissar? </font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">This obviously is a reference to Qeynos and Freeport having to join back together to battle whatever comes. </font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">Sounds to me like The Nine will be passing on the mantle. </font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">Prophetic noise about things finally paying off at the end. </font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">Now this is interesting - there was never a God known as the lord of darkness... perhaps a Maiden of Shadow... but the closest thing I can think of is either The Nameless or something in regards to the Obelisk. </font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">The Forbidden Two? Not a clue.<font color="#ff6633">The Foci?  representing the Thex's - forbidden from each others once great (cheesy) love and driven to darkness?</font> </font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">Nagafen is the Crimson King. </font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">Tunare. </font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">Dunno.</font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">Obvious.</font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">Ratonga scheming.<font color="#ff9933">I'm thinking the gnolls here.</font> </font></div> <div> </div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#ffff00">I'm torn between Rallos (though he'd be a General most likely) and Mithaniel Marr. But it's probably in reference to some mortal.<font color="#ff9933">small chance this may be Lucan ... Commander of the Freeport Militia at one time no?  risen in rank to Overlord...</font> </font></div> <hr> </blockquote><hr></blockquote></div>

[Willias]

<div><blockquote><hr><div><blockquote><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."<font color="#ffff00">Sounds like a "things are not as good as they seem" kinda thing to me.  I guess what it means is that what we've seen so far on Norrath pales in comparison to some of the evil plots starting in other regions of the planet.</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."<font color="#ffff00">Veeshan or Shissar.  (On second thought, this could be about Kerafyrm!)</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."<font color="#ffff00">The two?  Sounds like Qeynos and Freeport.  The end?  End of the world?</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."<font color="#ffff00">Gods are coming back for a reason then.  SOMETHING is heading for Norrath and is looking to destroy it.  IMO, it's whatever blew up Luclin.</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."<font color="#ffff00">Plane of Time?</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."<font color="#ffff00">Innoruuk.</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."<font color="#ffff00">The forbidden two?  Likely the mother of two other chaotic/forbidden gods.  Maybe one of the Ros.</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."<font color="#ffff00">Either Nagafen or Solusek Ro.</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."<font color="#ffff00">Tunare.</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."<font color="#ffff00">I think this is again in reference to the Plane of Time, however, it could also be in reference to <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10188&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>this symbol</a>.</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."<font color="#ffff00">Dragons are dying out.  This makes me believe that the "hissing of the serpent" statement is about Veeshan.</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."<font color="#ffff00">Throne of Brell?  Could this be connected to the Hole?</font></div> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."<font color="#ffff00">I think this is about Rallos.</font></div></blockquote></div><hr></blockquote></div>

[Ishbu]

"She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."Lol sorry I couldnt resist this one: KerafymWhat better representation than your offspring and what they did was definilty forbidden <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Kerafrym is male.</DIV>

[Ishbu]

<blockquote><hr>vinterskugge wrote:<DIV>Kerafrym is male.</DIV><hr></blockquote>He was when he left, but time changes things..... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Lyriel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>Perhaps this refers to Bristlebane. Remember the mirrors in the Plane of Mischief? Who better to refer to as chaos? This would argue for him to be the missing ninth. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>Perhaps this is Cazic, as someone above suggested. His followers do seem to be the reptilian sort.</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>I am probably off base here, but I immediately thought of the Marr twins, Mithanial and Erollisi. Twins are together at their 'dawn' but split. And it makes sense that they would stand united.</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>We've been told these Nine are coming, and have found eight prophets.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>May mean us, may not...</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>Could this not mean Brell, the lord of the underfoot? Then again, I believe he is mentioned elsewhere (see below), so I think it may rather mean Innoruuk, whose Teir'dal have lived both below and beyond (Plane of Hate, etc.).</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>Again, I am probably off base here - but I read this to mean Anotnia Bayle, representing the Twins. I realize it doesn't seem logical, but that was my initial thought.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>Does sound like a reference to Nagafen, but Solusek Ro could also be a crimson lord of a sort - the color of flames is red... then again, I don't know what orbs Sol Ro might deal with, but Nagafen does have those eggs. Meh.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>Sure does smack of the All Mother to me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>Sounds like that mysterious glyph that has been the subject of so much talk around here. Doesn't really tell us what it is though, unless it be the Name of the Nameless - you know, it could be that to speak that Name unmakes the world, ala the Nine Million Names of God... /shudder.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>Seems like a warning ; ).</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>Could be any of the races with whose creation he is credited. Personally, I think it's the gnolls.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3399cc>I read this as Rallos Zek, always a commander. This would tie in with the orc uprisings and unification, too, I think.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Those are just my thoughts - I am quite sure there are flaws inherent and that you will all find them for me ; ).</P> <P> </P> <P>Lyriel</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>Sounds like Obelisk to me, what with what the shadowmen do to interact and accumulate data around the world...</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>Hmm... well, I won't rule out the possibility of the Shissar, but in all honesty I never want to see them again.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>As already speculated: possibly the joining of Freeport and Qeynos together to fight a greater cause.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>Obvious.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>Not a clue.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>I'm putting my money on Mayong Mistmoore.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>I'm thinking Veeshan. The forbidden two are probably Lady Vox and Lord Nagafen.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>Either Nagafen or Solusek Ro.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>I think this is refering to Tunare.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>The Key of the Twilight? Oh wait, wrong series. hmmm. no clue here.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>Kingdom of Sky is so 4 months ago. >_></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>As suggested, the ratonga, but I think this might have to do with the Dwarves of Kaladim.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>Either Rallos Zek or Kane Bayle.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><div><blockquote><hr> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."<font color="#ff3300">seems to be a generic "bad things will happen" warning</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."<font color="#ff3300">Hmm... the only serpnets of note that I can think of is the Shissar, but that doesn't seem right for some reason</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."<font color="#ff3300">Let's see,  this could of course be Qeynos and Freeport, it could be the split in the timeline, but that isn't likely, it could also be the high elves and dark elves, which was a good deal closer to the dawn of time </font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."<font color="#ff3300">The gods are returning to help fight the aforementioned "bad thing"</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."<font color="#ff3300">Well, "toil in eternity" makes it sound like some sort of planar creatures.  Another possiblity is the gnomish clockworks</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."<font color="#ff3300">There's a few possibilities here, but the most likely one to me is definately Mayong Mistmoore</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."<font color="#ff3300">anything I can come up with here is thin as hell, and probably not worth mentioning</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."<font color="#ff3300">This might be Solusek, but it's probably Nagafen.  The orbs might be prismatic eggs, but I not sure</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."<font color="#ff3300">It might be Tunare, but for some reason that just seems a bit too easy</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."<font color="#ff3300">No clue here</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."<font color="#ff3300">Dragons may not be the focus of the future content, instead the focus will be on the other races</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."<font color="#ff3300">Creatures from the underfoot, perhaps even a future expansion into it.  This may also explain the mystery of the ratonga</font></div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</div><font color="#ff3300">Could be Rallos, but that doesnt seems right.  How could he rise in rank for starters.  No, it seems likely the commander is a mortal</font><hr></blockquote></div><hr></blockquote></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR>   <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."<BR><FONT color=#ff3300>anything I can come up with here is thin as hell, and probably not worth mentioning</FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV><FONT color=#ff3300>Could be Rallos, but that doesnt seems right.  How could he rise in rank for starters.  No, it seems likely the commander is a mortal</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>No matter how little, it's always good to tell others what you think when it comes to speculation.</P> <P> </P> <P>And the Commander one doesn't have to mean "litterally promoted to a rank above Commander." It can mean that he will play a more prominant role in things to come than he ever had in the past.</P>

[firemonkey5]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#6666ff>The Key of the Twilight? Oh wait, wrong series. hmmm. no clue here.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm thinking this will have something to do with the picture from fan faire

[RaphaNissi]

Zeb's whole thing is about the coming of the 9 gods, right?  Could these statements be clues to the prophets themselves and the events surrounding the gods leaving and returning?  (Just throwing things out there)  She who represent the forbidden two...- We've already established that Xilania Nevagon is a half elf.  Could this refer to her?Forever the commander... - Tychus was a Commander.  Those from below...Brell's rep?The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord believes...- Speaking of Solusek and his rep, Civean?food for thought....<div></div>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mirander wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><div><blockquote><hr> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."<font color="#ff3300">anything I can come up with here is thin as hell, and probably not worth mentioning</font></div><div> </div><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</div><font color="#ff3300">Could be Rallos, but that doesnt seems right.  How could he rise in rank for starters.  No, it seems likely the commander is a mortal</font><hr></blockquote></div><hr></blockquote></div><hr></blockquote><p>No matter how little, it's always good to tell others what you think when it comes to speculation.</p><p>And the Commander one doesn't have to mean "litterally promoted to a rank above Commander." It can mean that he will play a more prominant role in things to come than he ever had in the past.</p><hr></blockquote>Well, my ideas on the forbidden two is that it could be either Veeshan representing either Nagafen and Vox or the Claws of Veeshan and the Ring of Scale.  It could be Druzli Ro and the two divergent timelines... This just hit me. It could be that one of Vox and Naggy's eggs actually hatched, and it's talking about their daughter</div>

[Terq]

<DIV>I am not as big of a lore junkie as the rest of you guys, but weren't there some water/ocean gods too?  Has anyone bothered swimming around underwater?</DIV>

[troodon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That's unfortunate.  You'd have thought the sheer amount of venom and hate directed at the GoD and OoW expansions would have clued SOE in on the fact that EQ players don't want this "all Norrathians must stand united against our common, other-worldly, foe" crap</P> <P>Assuming that's what it refers to :smileyhappy:</P><p>Message Edited by troodon on <span class=date_text>07-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:50 PM</span>

[Wrapye]

Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."<font color="#ffcc33">Veeshan?  'Etched in stone' could refer to the Scars of Velious, and 'the first key from dawn' could refer to Veeshan being the first deity to have put a race on Norrath.</font><div></div>

[StaAk]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr><div>Zhen Mei says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</div><hr></blockquote>Hmm. Snipped from my logs from the beginning of the Fire and Ice quest:<font color="#cc0000"></font><hr size="2" width="100%"><font color="#cc0000" size="2">Lord Nagafen says to you,"Guard your tongue or forfeit your life.  Now, you claim that this sage of yours was attacked by Drakota and lived.  It is unimaginable that any lesser being would survive a targeted attack by the pawns of the Ring of Scale.  How does he claim that he was able to escape destruction?"</font><font size="2"><font color="#ff0000"></font>You say to Lord Nagafen,"He doesn't, my companions and I destroyed them both. "</font><font color="#cc0000" size="2">Lord Nagafen says to you,"Both?  There were two Drakota?  Were they in possession of essence shards?  Answer me this now, mortal! "</font><font size="2">You say to Lord Nagafen,"No, Lord Nagafen, they were not. "</font><font color="#ff9900"><i><font size="2">Lord Nagafen says to you,"An orb then?  A large glowing orb?  Did you find this on their corpses?"</font></i></font><font size="2">You say to Lord Nagafen,"No, Lord Nagafen, they did not have either of these things. "</font><font color="#cc0000" size="2">Lord Nagafen says to you,"So you say... I sense in this that you are telling the truth.  Regardless, this makes things very interesting now, doesn't it.  Before me stands Lesser Ones who have the ability to slay Drakota. I find I have need of you.  I have a significant task for you, do this and you will be greatly rewarded."</font><font size="2">You say to Lord Nagafen,"Lord Nagafen, what of the Sage's safety?  That is the reason I've journeyed here."</font><font color="#cc0000" size="2">Lord Nagafen says to you,"Mortal, I believe your search for your sage's adversary and my own quest proposition will lead down the same path.  Unfortunately for you, you do not have any other leads to follow, now do you?  There is much to be gained by assisting me."</font><font size="2">You say to Lord Nagafen,"With all due respect, why should I help you when I cannot even trust you? "</font><font color="#cc0000" size="2">Lord Nagafen says to you,"Wealth ... Power ... Prestige.  Is that not what all mortals want?  Do this task for me and you will be able to select from anything within my vast hoard of treasures, the likes of which you have never seen.  Arcane objects of power and knowledge, armor and weapons that have not been touched by the light of the sun since the Age of Monuments, wealth and jewels beyond your comprehension.  "</font><font size="2">You say to Lord Nagafen,"That sounds like a generous reward, but what is it you want me to do? "</font><font color="#cc0000" size="2">Lord Nagafen says to you,"You are being charged with a most important and glorious task.  You will act in my stead and bring about the resurrection of my beloved Lady Vox.  Seek out the murderous Drakota, destroy them in their lairs, and wrest from them the essence shards.  While holding these, the Drakota prevent any attempt at returning my beloved to life."</font><font size="2"><font color="#ff0000"></font>You say to Lord Nagafen,"What are we to do once we get the shards? "</font><font color="#cc0000" size="2">Lord Nagafen says to you,"Take the spirit shards to my beloved's crypt within the walls of Permafrost.  Each shard contains within it a part of the Lady Vox's undying spirit.  Release the essence kept inside the shard and perform the ritual that I will imbue in your lesser mind.  It is not known how many shards are required to correctly perform the ritual.  It might take many, or it could be as little as one.  The Lady Vox's will to live is incredibly strong."</font><font size="2">You say to Lord Nagafen,"I understand. "</font><i><font color="#ff9900" size="2">Lord Nagafen says to you,"Also, the Drakota may be in possession of an Orb of Omnipotence that once belonged to me but is now lost. Return that to me and I will double your reward."</font><font size="2">You say to Lord Nagafen,"What is the orb for? "</font><font color="#ff9900" size="2">Lord Nagafen says to you,"Its purpose is beyond your understanding and comprehension, Lesser One.  All you need to concern yourself with is returning it to me if you find it.  Now, go, do as I say."</font></i><font size="2">You say to Lord Nagafen,"Yes, Lord Nagafen.  The Lady Vox will be resurrected. "</font><hr size="2" width="100%">There's your Crimson Lord and his powerful orbs.</div>

[Lightbearer007]

All the ideas from everyone are great. I cant wait to see how EQ2's lore develops and to see the Live Events that transpire into the return of the gods. I cant wait. Im still curious as to who the 9th prophet is. It still alludes us all. Its eating me alive!<div></div>

[vinterskugge]

If it was Veeshan, it'd be likely to be a dragon, or more likely, a droag as the prophet.

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> If it was Veeshan, it'd be likely to be a dragon, or more likely, a droag as the prophet.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Or a bard, the only class in EQlive who could worship Veeshan as a god.

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>I was thinking about bards too, seeing as my EQ1 bard worshipped Veeshan.  I can't think where to check.  The tower of Vhalen?  If it was somewhere obvious it would've been found.</DIV>

[wayfaerer]

<blockquote><div> <div><blockquote> <hr><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."<font color="#ff3300"></font></div><hr> </blockquote></div> </div></blockquote> <div> <div>If the forbidden two are Nagafen & Vox then it might be referring to Najena. She doesn't really represent them but she definately has something to do with them, and is a major character who has yet to have much involvement in anything. </div> </div>

[Jida]

<div><blockquote><hr>wayfaerer wrote:<blockquote><div> <div><blockquote> <hr><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."<font color="#ff3300"></font></div><hr> </blockquote></div> </div></blockquote> <div> <div>If the forbidden two are Nagafen & Vox then it might be referring to Najena. She doesn't really represent them but she definately has something to do with them, and is a major character who has yet to have much involvement in anything. </div> </div> <hr></blockquote>According to lore Nagafen and Vox mated.. and created another prismatic dragon.. which is against the "rules" of the other dragons (i forget their names).They had many eggs.. the one destroyed during prismatic 1.0 was eluded to being not the only one.</div>

[Cyanbane]

<div><blockquote><hr><blockquote> <div></div> <blockquote> <div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</div> <div> </div></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>Could this have anything to do with this:<img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Cusashorn/Idol.jpg">?</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I doubt that the Idol has any connection to the Gods. Even though the Everlings in general are still a mystery, all first-hand signs have suggested that they have very little of anything to do with artifacts from the Planes of Influence, or have any connections and involvings with the dieties on Norrath.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Like I said: First-Hand signs. If they do end up being involved, it has yet to be revealed.</DIV>

[Desdichada]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc33>Probably a generic time have changed message. Mortals were all assaulting planes, now we are weak and disjointed</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>Serpent was often used to describe dragons. I would think it is Veeshan.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>I agree, it seems like a reference to Freeport and Qeynos</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>Can he be talking about EQ1? To my surprise I did find several cases of usage of "dusk of times" as a synonim to "dawn of time"</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>Mistmore is a great guess and it would be a great coup.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>She is likely to be Veeshan. Would she be trying to reclaim Norrath? Seems to play with the serpent quote above.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>Nagafen seems to be that Crimson Lord. Speaking of Crimson Kings. I myself have not been to the Court of Al'Afaz (I think how it is spelled) but the cast there is most certainly borrowed from "In the Court of the Crimson King". Does that story line relate to Nagafen in any way?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <P><FONT color=#ffcc00>This can also be a reference to Mistmore achieving godship. Or maybe Lucan? But then where is a reference to Antonya?</FONT></P> <P><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[PotatoeGuru]

<P>Is that a complete inscription or are letters scratched away.</P> <P> </P> <P>The last part looks like "Merchant of Oblivion"</P>

[troodon]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PotatoeGuru wrote: <P>Is that a complete inscription or are letters scratched away.</P> <P> </P> <P>The last part looks like "Merchant of Oblivion"</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You can read a discussion on it <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=11181&view=by_date_ascending&page=7" target=_blank>here</a></P>

[Dregor]

Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."---This stinks of Dark Elves and High Elves.  Cleft in [twain] gives the impression of a forcible, opposed  seperation.  Qeynos and FPs parting of ways has been a gradual process, and definitely can't be considered anywhere near the Dawn of Time.  The elves on the other hand... yeah, I'd say there was a pretty violent seperation there.<div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zhen Mei says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm pretty sure this is refering to th divided timelines created by Druzzil Ro on the Plane of Time. Considering that both EQ1 and EQ2 have their own pockets of the Void to contend with (Discord/Obelisk respectively), this implies Void influence.

[troodon]

<P>Why do you think that Discord is in the Void?</P> <P>And didn't the EQ1 peeps beat back Discord by, you know, slaughtering their army and killing that <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=17190" target=_blank>Matta</A> dude?  They're more worried with <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=20035" target=_blank>Mistmoore</A> and, I don't know, other stuff now.</P>

[Renita_Serafim]

Zebuxoruk alluded to the Void on the Plane of Time as a force threatening Norrath very soon, and then Mata Muram's legions turned up shortly after. Many people seemed to have theorized from this that Zebby was refering to the Planes of Discord, which would have to be linked to the Obelisk by the token that Zebuxoruk mentioned the Void. Since the passage of time in regard to the alternate timelines is fuzzy, we can't say what point in EQ2's time that the events of the Plane of Discord happened in the alternate timeline of EQ1.

[troodon]

<DIV>I think one is hard-pressed to draw any parallels between our Void buddies who mysteriously abduct people and perform strange experiments from their bizarre creator's bizarre tower, and the Marumites who look <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/pics/an_elite_ukun_boneretriever.jpg" target=_blank>very</A>, <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/pics/an_elite_aneuk_fleshthreader.jpg" target=_blank>very</A>, <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/pics/A_Commanded_Feran.JPG" target=_blank>very</A> different and who just went ahead and staged an all-out invasion of Norrath.</DIV>But who knows...

[Cusashorn]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lyndro-EQ2 wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I think you are mixing up two statements there.</P> <P>We said that more gods will probably be added later and that there are 9 prophets.  We never said there would be 9 available gods to worship right at the start.  Not saying their <EM>won't</EM> be, just that you are making an assumption based on two different statements.  We haven't formally announced how many gods are going to be available for worship at launch.  <STRONG>In fact, we never said that you'll be able to worship every god that has a prophet (or that you'll be able to worship a god for every prophet that you speak to.)</STRONG></P> <P>Not that this does anything but complicate the discussions you've been having... But hey, I'm all about making things more complicated.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <P> </P> <P>Revealed in another thread. I get the impression that the only reason we haven't found a 9th Prophet yet is because there isn't one that's suppose to exist.</P>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Revealed in another thread. I get the impression that the only reason we haven't found a 9th Prophet yet is because there isn't one that's suppose to exist.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Considering that the Game Update 25 notes specifically mentioned "<EM><STRONG>nine</STRONG> elect Norrathians</EM>" being inspired as prophets, I'm going to respectfully disagree with your speculation.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Renita_Serafim]

SOE also claimed that the quest to unlock the frogloks was in-game at launch. If the 9th herald is not to be found anywhere, I suspect that s/he isn't in game yet.

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Revealed in another thread. I get the impression that the only reason we haven't found a 9th Prophet yet is because there isn't one that's suppose to exist.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Considering that the Game Update 25 notes specifically mentioned "<EM><STRONG>nine</STRONG> elect Norrathians</EM>" being inspired as prophets, I'm going to respectfully disagree with your speculation. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>/agree</P> <P>Like I said before, this is SoE.  They get it wrong a lot.  They may have intended for 9 prophets to be in-game after GU25, but only 8 made it into Norrath, as far as we can find.</P> <P>Since the other 8 were relatively easy to find, the 9th should also be fairly easy to find.  The only exception I can really think of is that the prophet for Bristlebane is having some fun with us, if the 9th prophet is indeed Bristlebane's.  Even if the 9th prophet is Bristlebane's, he'd still want potential followers to hear from his prophet.</P> <P>From the prophets that are in-game and the lore behind EQ2, I still think Karana would be sending forth the 9th prophet, instead of Bristlebane (or any other god).  That's all speculative hoo-hah on my part though.</P> <P>I'll be at the SoE block party today, so I'll see if I can squeeze some information out of anyone willing to talk about the prophets.</P>

[Gillagad]

<div></div>I'd agree that Karana seems like a likely choice.  Though it shouldn't be too hard to find him.. I mean SH, Somewhere in TS, or the Fountain of Storms outside the Halls of Thunder in Qeynos would be perfect locations for him.Anyone at the blockparty get any info?<div></div><p>Message Edited by Gillagad on <span class=date_text>07-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:57 PM</span>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> SOE also claimed that the quest to unlock the frogloks was in-game at launch. If the 9th herald is not to be found anywhere, I suspect that s/he isn't in game yet.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>SOE never made such a claim.  If you feel differently - find the quote.  Find it.  Many people have claimed they saw this, or heard about it from a friend of a friend, or that somebody's cousin's girlfriend's uncle's favorite client read it in some obscure Albanian gaming magazine sometime...but everytime someone claims "<EM>SOE said Froglok quest was in the game at launch</EM>", they suddenly can't find the quote anywhere.  Oh...and THEN the conspiracy theories start about how SOE killed JFK and then removed all the quotes so they could pretend it never happened.</P> <P>More to the point, at the 2005 Community Summit in Las Vegas, I sat down with Moorgard and asked him point blank if such a statement had ever been made.  He stated clearly that he had not made such a statement, but that he had allowed the speculators to believe as much...and that was what he regretted (that he had not stepped in to correct the erroneous assumptions which concluded the quest was in the game). </P> <P>Again, this is just a case of <EM>assumption uber alles...</EM>just as the Froglok issue was.</P>

[Mordock of the Highwynd]

<FONT color=#ff0000></FONT><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>I'm guessing that this is talking about the threat of The Horde.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>I think this talks about the Shissar, mainly because they were made scarce and no one would expect them to strike back.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>I believe this refers to either the two cities of men or the Dark and High elves.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>This means the nine shall return and face the end.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>I'm wondering if this does not refer to The Plane of Time in some way.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Mayong Mistmoore.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>The forbidden two could mean Nagafen and Vox.  It was forbidden that they should mate, yet they did anyway.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Nagafen says over and over that he has numerous prismatic eggs from him mating with Vox.  Maybe the prismatic dragons are not as powerful as he makes it out to be.  After all, wasn't Darathar a prismatic dragon?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Tunare.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>I want to say that this has something to do with The Nameless, although I'm not sure.  Besides creating everything, he has not been heard from.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Self explanitory.  The dragons will soon fall.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>I think this has to do with the Roelisk</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>This sounds like Lucan D'Lere.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Mordock of the Highwynd wrote:<div></div><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000"></font><blockquote><hr><div> </div><div><font color="#ff0000"> After all, wasn't Darathar a prismatic dragon?</font></div><div> </div><hr></blockquote><hr></blockquote>Nope, Darathar's just a normal dragon, can't think of what exactly his element was off the top of my head<blockquote><hr> <blockquote><div>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote><hr></blockquote>Hmm... you know, I think we've been looking at this one the wrong way.  "life anew" could be refering to undeath rather than Growth.  As for who the women mentioned is, it could be, I can't remember the name, the vampire who was going to marry Mayong and lived in the Tower of Frozen Shadows.  Or... was Najena a Necromancer? I never went there in EQlive<blockquote></blockquote></div>

[troodon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>SOE never made such a claim. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The box shipped with the statement "16 races".   If Frogloks were in no way yet implemented into the game then the game did not come with 16 races.  You might as well argue that SW:G could have put on their original box "Space combat" and that's not a lie so long as they're planning on adding space combat in the indefinite future.</P> <P>On 12/4/04, 4 months before the quest had been put into the game, Faarwolf said: "The Froglok quest is a server-wide quest.  I'm curious to see what server gets it first <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif" width=16 border=0>"  She didn't say "The Froglok quest <EM>will</EM> <EM>be</EM>", she said "is".</P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <P><BR></P> <HR> If you feel differently - find the quote.  Find it.  <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I assure you I could find even more definitive statements if I had the pre-release boards open to me for searching, but of course those were removed.</P>

[Ordate]

<DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV>When I read this, I think Quelious(sp?).  While she is harmony, peace, etc the gods have not been among norrathians for 500 years.  That is a big change.  While she is a god of harmony, she will cause some chaos(change) with her return.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV>I think this refers to the sleeper(Kerafym) or Veeshan.  Kerafym on the front that he is currently MIA as of KoS.  It is also no surprise to most that he really would like to crush Norrath.  Veeshan is more speculation on my part.  The "lesser races" have taken over the world after she first claimed it as her own.  Perhaps it is time for vengeance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV>Freeport and Qeynos seems likely.  But I just have a sneaky idea that this refers to the Marr twins.  Being twins giving the cleft in "twine" at the dawn of time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV>I think this just refers to the 9 gods returning....duh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV>Since other statements are made that say the coming time is the "end."  I think this refers to either Zeb or all gods.  Zeb as well, he did toil in eternity and is now released.  The gods in that they are immortal and in the near future will be worshipped again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV>Ehhh?  Who is the lord of darkness?  As close as I can think is Luclin, but then it would need to be Lady of darkness wouldnt it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV>My first thought was Kerafym.  I know there is a he/she issue with this and that got me thinking more.  Then it suddenly dawned on me.  Vox.  I think she has some upcomming part to play.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV>Would seem to be Naggy.  I can't think of anyone else that would fit as well.  Also might be a poke at the lore junkies claiming the prismatic eggs are what caused the destruction of luclin.  (and please don't start up that topic)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV>Would seem to be Tunare and her "allies."  I can't come up with anything else for this one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV>I have no [Removed for Content] clue.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV>The time of visiting Naggy for fat loot quests is at an end?  Heh.  Again I have a sneaky suspicion we are going to have a war of the dragons.  Which they are kind of destined to loose.  This war lead by Kerafym.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV>Just a vague refrence to all of Brells races that are in the underworld furthering Brell?  I need to give this one more thought.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <DIV>I keep reading this and thinking Rallos Zek.  However, the problem I have with that thought is that why would he need to rise in rank?</DIV>

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">I just thought of something that I doubt has been considered.  Perhaps the 9th Profet will be played as a live event by a guide or Dev? If so that makes it seem like he will play both a Neutral and possibly profet of an unconventional apsect godling or Creator God. </font></font></font><div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

It was rather easy to assume that the froglok quest was in-game when the character creation icon for the froglok came with a pop up window that told you to seek out the froglok quest as if it were already there. How many of us actually recall this window?

[Ama]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote: <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mordock of the Highwynd wrote: <FONT color=#ff0000></FONT><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000> After all, wasn't Darathar a prismatic dragon?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Nope, Darathar's just a normal dragon, can't think of what exactly his element was off the top of my head <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR>   <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hmm... you know, I think we've been looking at this one the wrong way.  "life anew" could be refering to undeath rather than Growth.  As for who the women mentioned is, it could be, I can't remember the name, the vampire who was going to marry Mayong and lived in the Tower of Frozen Shadows.  Or... was Najena a Necromancer? I never went there in EQlive <BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The most powerful that was called a "Prismatic Dragon" was Kerafyrm not Darathar and Darathar's Element of choice was fire.  It is said that in Kerafyrm's absence his generals have grown to further their own agendas.  Atleast that is what I have heard from Nagafen when you do the series of quests to access Deathtoll in KoS where the bone daddy dragon resides. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kerafyrm was boasted to be one powerful big bad dragon being a prismatic class the mating of two opposing elements.  However you do have to wonder if this is all for show and there maybe a way to weaken a prismatic dragon or they are born weak but grow up to be strong creatures. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10451&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>Here</A> is a link to the Power of Dragons thread that talks about the different dragons, their powers and where they hail from.</DIV>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote: <P>On 12/4/04, 4 months before the quest had been put into the game, Faarwolf said: "The Froglok quest is a server-wide quest.  I'm curious to see what server gets it first <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif" width=16 border=0>"  She didn't say "The Froglok quest <EM>will</EM> <EM>be</EM>", she said "is".</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I like how the developers sometimes say "<EM>Echoes of Faydwer is designed for levels 1-70</EM>".  They don't say "will be".  They say "is".  Interesting how language works like that, right?  At my own companies, I was often guilty of saying "release X.X is fantastic" when speaking with clients who wouldn't see "release X.X" for several months.<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote:<BR> <P>I assure you I could find even more definitive statements if I had the pre-release boards open to me for searching, but of course those were removed.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Oh yes, here it comes - SOE said it all on the prerelease forums, right?  Right next to Lee Oswald and Bill Gates?  No such statements were made, and if they were made, that's why the prerelease forums were called...well, prerelease.  If you want a conspiracy, you'll always find enough ammution to support that. </P> <P>In fact, many things were said in the prerelease forums that didn't make it to release.  Remember how guilds weren't going to allow non-citizens?  If you joined a Freeport guild as a Qeynosian, you couldn't earn status or run writs - remember that, too?  Oh wait, that never made it to release, either.  I suppose you don't recall how banks were originally going to be separate, either.  What about all priests having access to all specialty heals prior to level 15?</P> <P>There were a lot of things stated in "pre-release" that weren't relevant to release.  Even the release manual stated that forming a guild would cost 10 gold (instead of 60 silver).  Yet, obviously that was not the case at release. </P> <P>The fact remains that there's no specific quotes made regarding the Froglok quest being "in the game now".  There's no smoking gun, really.  It's just ammunition for those who apparantly don't require any more ammunition anyway. </P> <P>The bottom line is that SOE made a post stating there are nine prophets in-game, so assumptions made that there are only eight would seem to be premature.  Till SOE says otherwise, the last information released on the subject is that there exist 9 prophets.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Kendricke on <span class=date_text>07-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:08 PM</span>

[NuketheKi]

<DIV>A better description of the prophet locations. (Haven't noticed one yet.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Quellious - Elddar Grove - in the monk dojo - Sensei Makoto Shoda<BR>2. Mithanial Marr - North Qeynos - in front of the steps to the castle - Sir Dayden Cauldthorn<BR>3. Tunare - Elddar Grove - on the rock that's on the oppisite side of the tree than the lift to the top - Eva Coruno'Thes<BR>4. Innoruuk - North Freeport -???????<BR>5. Cazic Thule - Temple of Cazic Thule - on top of the main pyramid - Danak Dhorntath<BR>6. Rallos Zek - Zek - in the camp by deathfist citadel - Tychus Zeksworn<BR>7. Brell Serilis - Blackburrow - on the 2nd floor of blackburrow. same rooms as opalla and high shaman grixx - Bronlor Stonehammer<BR>8. Solusek Ro - Lavastorm - in the room with Tazgar - Civean Il'Pernod<BR>9. ???????</DIV>

[zixtent]

<div><blockquote><hr>NuketheKids wrote:<div></div> <div>A better description of the prophet locations. (Haven't noticed one yet.)</div> <div> </div> <div>1. Quellious - Elddar Grove - in the monk dojo - Sensei Makoto Shoda2. Mithanial Marr - North Qeynos - in front of the steps to the castle - Sir Dayden Cauldthorn3. Tunare - Elddar Grove - on the rock that's on the oppisite side of the tree than the lift to the top - Eva Coruno'Thes4. Innoruuk - North Freeport -???????5. Cazic Thule - Temple of Cazic Thule - on top of the main pyramid - Danak Dhorntath6. Rallos Zek - Zek - in the camp by deathfist citadel - Tychus Zeksworn7. Brell Serilis - Blackburrow - on the 2nd floor of blackburrow. same rooms as opalla and high shaman grixx - Bronlor Stonehammer8. Solusek Ro - Lavastorm - in the room with Tazgar - Civean Il'Pernod9. ???????</div><hr></blockquote>Innoruuk- North Freeport- right in front of the Temple of War</div>

[VizP]

Well after spending mroe time in the Overrealm I was determined to find out more about the lore of the place, since it seemed to be 'dripping' with it and stumbled across a very good thread on this forum chronicling what we have learned about dragons, the awakened, and the various factions. It seems to me that the most topical deity of the moment is without a doubt Veeshan and just what her thoughts are on this droag decision to focus on 'cleaning Norrath' - either 'with' the Awakened in a prophecised return OR without him with the belief he never will but Norrath still returns to dragon control. Seems everyone has an option to give on one aspect of the most topical subject at the moment and since all of this 'began' when the Sleeper crashed into Luclin anyway, the question should be - just what are Veeshan's views on how her children are behaving and planning at present? With Kingdom of Sky, this *is* one of the central storyline along with Zeb's 'return' which inevitably is tied.Course the ninth prophet is missing - and since that prophet would only really be preaching to dragons and droags, I can only imagine its in some corner of the the Overrealm (even though the patch notes says the nine have been added to 'Norrath', I dont think that means just the non expansion areas). I just think Veeshan would fill in a missing piece and bridge the gap between the current Awakened storylines and Zeb's storyline of the Return of the Gods and something to do with dragonkind and Norrath. It also explains the missing prophet who would simply not preaching to any of the 'masses' (since his target audience is dragonkind and he himself is likely a dragon himself). His location? Probably truly obscure, not 'intended' to be found but a perfect connection to storylines. My opinion but I think Veeshan will be the fnial deity to perfectly connect storylines at present with future revelations on the Awakened and the fate of Norrath along with intervention of the other deities.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Well it's more of a "Everyone has to have fair access to these prophets" kind of thing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Everyone who plays this game has Everquest 2 and access to it's content without restrictions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However. not everyone has access to Desert of Flames, Kingdom of Sky, Bloodline Chronicals, Splitpaw Saga, or Fallen Dynasty.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Putting a prophet in any of the expansional content wouldn't be fair to some players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not to mention, everyone up in Kingdom of Sky are waiting on the return of Kerafyrm. For a prophet to be preaching about the return of Veeshan up there would only get him killed that much faster.</DIV>

[VizP]

Not necessarily - it seems that all this 'change in sides' happened after the Gods left Norrath - it is much easier to believe in someone else when you believe that the Dragon Queen is long gone. But if a prophet indicates her return, one may suddenly get a little bit more nervous. If this guy 'is' right and Veeshan is on her way back, then it spells doom and gloom for those that decided to move their faith elsewhere. With the believe that Veeshan had long gone, they moved their thoughts to the good ol Sleeper but with this sudden 'surprise', it may be a good test of ones belief. Go with the powerful sleeper and incur the wrath of the mother of 'all' your kind 'if' she retusn or return safely to the beliefs you once had and hope that she doesnt hold too much of a grudge and saw the error of your ways. Because one thing Im sure of.. I dont think 'anyone' wants to see Veeshan upset.I dont know about you but if I was dragonkin and I was in one of those two factions and suddenly saw someone prophesising the return of Veeshan 'and' became aware that something seems to be changing on Norrath and started to get this 'creeping' feeling up my spine, I honestly think I'd forget who the heck the Sleeper ever was faster than you can say 'Hello moma'. Course they wont all do that but thats what results in an exciting story now doesnt it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />----In terms of content - I dont think its a big deal about 'everyone' needing to see the prophet of Veeshan - the content for 60+ is Kingdom of Sky and it seems there are many dragonkin are up there. There is no way it would ever be feasible for any non KoS player to be advancing very far post 60 because of the poor exp content without the expansion (unless you're talking someone buying the new adventure pack and adventuring solely there to get 60+ exp and not KoS which I am pretty sure is completely unhead of). And there is no way any pre 60 players should be seeing the prophet of Veeshan if they are still inexperienced in terms of their adventures because of the level of dragons (in fact I doubt many players should be seeing him or her 'at all' even post 60 because wheerever that prophet is at, there are a number of dragons listening and I dony think they would take kindly to intruders unless they can hold your own. And that smells like close to lvl cap heroes/villians and a lot of them).I just dont think its necessary for anyone to actually see Veeshan's prophet - when the story line unravels, perhaps we will find out where they were all along and why it was completely unviable (or terribly rare due to the location and encounters) for any current player to see them anyway. It leaves this guessing game open and keeps constant interest in the storyline and then when Veeshan does return, she can do it with a nice big explosion that can send the Overrealm shivering a little bit in her wake. Now 'that' would be a deity entrance.And that would be me saying 'waaahooo, now this new expansion and storyline is going to be one ... for the ages'. My moneys on Veeshan - after that idea, I couldnt be more bored with the idea of Bristlebane or Karana especially in relation to current storylines (and even worse Karana's liklihood of being good aligned). Which leaves Bristlebane and honestly... nah. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Honestly everything is just too.. 'dragony' (if thats even a word). Seems just like someones waiting to pop the champage bottle and release a big dragon deity into the air again.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>True, but these very dragons who worship Kerafyrm were alive and well back when he was woken up, and they *KNOW* how powerful he is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Veeshan on the other hand...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What did she ever do for Norrath?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.... She dug her claws into Velious, made Norrath into the inhabatable place that it is, left her Dragons on the world and flew away. Never to return as far as we know, because she's never taken any active rolls in the affairs of the mortals or the other gods.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>... just saying that if Veeshan is returning, she better have a dang good reason to be worthy of it.</DIV>

[Xzean]

<P>Nope, false alarm.</P><p>Message Edited by Xzean on <span class=date_text>07-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:32 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xzean wrote:<BR> <P>Brell Serrelis is the 9th god, and his prophet is in Blackburrow in Opalla's room.</P> <P>I was farming for L&L gnoll with my fiance, and we just saw a dwarf standing there...[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]?  We talk to him, his title is <Conservator of the Underfoot>.  Name is Bronlor Stormhammer.</P> <P>Bam, 9th prophet.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Uhhh yeah. We've been saying that Brell's prophet was found in Blackburrow since the first page of this thread. He's the 8th prophet, and the 9th is still missing.

[Xzean]

<P><IMG src="http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/148/eq2000077cs5.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6871/eq2000078we8.jpg"></P> <P><IMG src="http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1737/eq2000079in2.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P>Not all of his convo, just a couple points proving him the prophet.</P>

[Xzean]

<P>*looks over, feels dumb*</P> <P>Ah well.  Still very neat to find him in Blackburrow, and how each of the prophets have had stories.  To continue the search then.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Indeed.</DIV>

[VizP]

<div></div><div></div><font size="2">LOL thats the second time someone has said Brell is the ninth prophet. I have no idea what this fascination is with Brell being mentioned twice.. no one else has accidently named the same god twice as the last one. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />You're right - Veeshan as an entity has little in terms of 'personality' but in a truly colourful and vibrant world, she is the only one it seems that is lacking information and it seems a rather good time to perhaps bring her to centre stage. After all Zeb seems to be warning of a huge change in events.Ever since the Sleeper was awakened, it has been a case of him disappearing and licking his wounds and the four ancients biding their time. Then we begin Everquest 2 around the central event of Luclin shattering and it seems from various quest conversations such as hinted in the prismatic with Nagafen and others that it was indeed Kerafyrm finally hatching the first part of his plan. Hurtling into the moon he brings the devestation 'long' due to Norrath since his 'awakening'.  After that he remains quiet again and one wonders what happened. Then we just 'happen' to see the Droag factions in the Overrealm arguing over his return and the cleansing of Norrath so dragonkin can once more overtake the worlds.Now Zeb seems to indicate that the gods are returning due to the fact that something rather important is imminent that 'requires' their prescence. If you recall the Tome of Destiny, the initial actions by the various deities was to actually seperate and punish the mortals for their actions but certainly not to wipe them out - 'especially' when their own creation were near and dear to them. Thus each god was protective over their own kin and exacted events that best befitted them (well the exception to this is Cazic turning on his creation the ogres for daring to challenge his might.. and rightly so). Once that was done of course an event occured that 'they' surely had not protected and thats Kerafyrm deciding to ram Luclin. But it did pretty much help them because it caused even more 'shattering' of the populace. And so the deities leave to let the mortals think about their mistakes and learn from their actions.That brings us to now and Zeb's return and thus his realisation something very bad is about to happen just happening to coincide with immediate war plans of droags and dragons. If the 'Awakened' is going to return now, he will likely rally all dragonkin and sweep across the lands destroying all the children of the various deities and there is no way that Tunare for example would allow anything to happen to her beloved children and likewise for the others. So they must come to assist the mortals in the new war that may soon start.That brings us nicely round to Veeshan. Now Veeshan started all of this in this way:</font><font color="#ccffff">'</font><font color="#ffffff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#ccffff">In the beginning of the history of Norrath, Veeshan goddess of Sky flew throughout the cosmos in search of places she deemed fit to place her children, the dragons. Veeshan herself is a crystalline dragon, and a massive one at that, easily half the size of Norrath. As a mark upon the planets she deposited her brood on, she rent great claw marks upon them, <font color="#ffffff">marks to other gods that this planet belonged to her and her children. </font>Norrath was no different. Veeshan rent great scars into the frozen continent of Velious, and from these the dragons came forth.'<font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2">Notice the white words - she marked the planet as 'hers' and for her children. Yet it seems that not only did the other deities 'steal' upon 'her' planet but it seems now her children are about to start the biggest war they have ever been involved in, against all of the other races. If you remember Zeb's words that were recently added in this thread, one hints at Freeport and Qeynos taking sides against a common foe (an interpretation of one of the lines anyway). And it fits in in the whole Awakened + dragonkind vs Lesser races with Norrath as the prize.Now this fight would have been fine if perhaps it would have just occured as that.. likely that the Awakened and his legions would have pretty much taken the planet. But with the deities return, the favour has tipped in the favour of the 'lesser chldren'. After all no matter how powerful the prismatic dragon and his kin, they can't take the might of the panthron. Unless... the mother returns to protect the best interests of her children who should have had this world all along.... and enough is enough?Final question: why would a player ever worship Veeshan? Well a case of picking a side one may think will win. By worshipping Veeshan and perhaps working hard enough to win her favour, the ultimate goal may be that when it is all over and done with, the power she may promise may be worth the ultimate betrayal...</font><font size="2"></font></font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class=date_text>07-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:39 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I think Veeshan would be cool to learn more about.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All I'm saying is that in a cosmic sense, the dragons know what Kerafyrm can show for power since he was only awoken very recently compaired to aeons ago when Veeshan first deposited the very first life form, the dragons, on the planet, with nobody else to learn from it.</DIV>

[VizP]

Oh I understand that - I jsut expect though that if I am right and this is the possible storyline, that Veeshan may expect all those that were thinking of Kerafyrm to start looking at their real mother again as a source of faith. I get the feeling that has powerful as the Awakened is, one glimpse of even an aspect of Veeshan would send many of her kin learning the error of their ways in a heart beat. But I realise that you're completely right in your point that Veeshan has never been close enough for her children to really feel were a part of their lives while Kerafyrm really rose as a leader for them all. I just hope they start realising that perhaps he is a representative but not a 'deity' - after all if he was, he would never have been forced into the sleep he was by Yelinak who was far from an immortal himself. But its easy to push a hero up into immortal status when you really want to 'believe' in someone.Course I could completely be wrong about the last deity being Veeshan but its a shame - Ill really be disappointed after imagining all of these possibilities if it isnt her <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[kyrr]

<FONT face=Century color=#cc00ff>I've been following this thread and I'm looking forward to finding out whom the 9th is. Just wondering, did anyone ever check the chick standing outside the gate to NQ that's always going on about erollosi? Would be funny if it was her :smileyvery-happy:</FONT>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>VizP wrote:<div></div><div></div><font size="2"> (well the exception to this is Cazic turning on his creation the ogres for daring to challenge his might.. and rightly so).</font><hr></blockquote>quick correction here, the ogres are Rallos', Cazic made the trolls, iksar, and other lizard-things<blockquote><hr>VizP wrote:<div></div><div></div><font size="2"> If the 'Awakened' is going to return now, he will likely rally all dragonkin and sweep across the lands destroying all the children of the various deities</font><hr></blockquote>Didn't the dragons put Kerafym to sleep the first time to stop him from doing just that?  Why would they help him this time (well, except for the dragons in the Overrealm of course)?</div>

[VizP]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>LOL if it was Erollisi then if you hear the ground shake slightly, its me throwing a temper tantrum far away that a possible candidate Veeshan was replaced by the Goddess of... love? Nooo.... help! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />----Oops sorry I thought Cazic crreated the ogres.. my mistake.. grrr..---Yes you're right but thats was fractured the dragons in the first place - the Ring of Scale aka Jaled Dar, Trakanon, Phara Dar initially wanted dragons to take control and thus fractured from Kildrukan and the rest. However it seems all of that changed when Kerafyrm became dizzy with power.In lore Kildrukan beneath Kerafyrm would have likely taken over Norrath 'even' though Kildrukan had initially been against this because he became so mesmerised by the prismatic dragon and his power and ambition. So you see even though they fractured at the start, at the end it became a case of both sides wishing the same.. to take over Norrath. The third side now under Lord Yelinak created due to this fracturing by Kerafyrm and Kildrukan still wished to continue the old ways.Yelinak did in fact imprison Kerafyrm to stop this prismatic taking control of all dragonkind and thus regained the beliefs that they had started with but the question is has the mindset of the dragons remained the same? Has it still been a case of 'leave the lesser creatures alone' and just continue our existence - does the same faith in this linger? It seems that the lesser races already brought upon Norrath the rending indicating they cant be trusted with their actions. Perhaps a unification of the dragons is just what is needed. But not under Kerafyrm since of course some dragons still are against him and his followers. But underneath Veeshan who would unite?There is no question - the dragons that followed Yelinak still hate the Awakened and his kind and do not wish 'them' to take control. But are they still so neutral on the thoughts of mortals or has this started shifting? And if not, does dragonkind need a reason to unite? Such as.. Veeshan? Put all these past wars aside and remember where it all started?<div></div><p><font color="#ccffff"><span class="time_text">Perhaps this could be looked at in reverse.. Zeb may not be predicting the revenge of the Awakened, he may be predicting the return of Veeshan. Is HE the ninth prophet?</span></font></p><p><font color="#ccffff">You see he is not indicating what the big change that is coming is. Is the big change Veeshan? And thus by hinting at a big change (and the assumption this 'big' change is Veeshan), HE is the last prophet. And Veeshan's arrival will unite all of dragonkind and the deities will arrive to rally their children?</font><font color="#ccffff"></font><font color="#ccffff"><span class="time_text"></span></font></p><p><span class="time_text">.... oooo... could I be onto something here? The ultimate war begins with the arrival of the first mother and the first prophet Zeb is infact the last prophet because he was talking about Veeshan all along as the reason for the return of the 'Nine' in response? Mothers protecting their children...</span></p><p>Question would be then - why Veeshan, why now? Well what has the Awakened been up to? Hes been up to something... after the Rending he crashes into Luclin and causes the shattering and the gods leave. His next plan may have been to attempt to find Veeshan and beg her to come back and reunite her children especially since he saw the war that occured and the result with his imprisonment. If he has found her and convinced her, then it may prompt all of this... return of Kerafyrm, Veeshan and in response the Nine..</p>Kerafyrm may in response get all he wanted.. power.. if under Veeshan the dragons unite, they may look at Kerafyrm differently for bringing her back and then he may become her first and their leader after all and under Veeshan's guidance strike first. Veeshan gets revenge on the lesser deities for bringing the lesser creatures to Norrath who undoubtably caused much strife, Kerafyrm manages to wrestle into power with an 'alls forgiven, you brought momma back' note and dragons rule the world! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Not unless you have a say that is.. which you undoubtably will <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> May result in worshipping Veeshan being awkward as a deity choice and may not even be possible.. but if it is, then the war may fracture once more and not be as simple as it seems here thus allowing such a deity choice  (highly likely <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )<p>As I said before, even if im completely wrong.. isnt this story still reallly cool?! If only it were... possible...? But all speculation and fun for me anyway...hehe...<span class="time_text"></span></p><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class=date_text>07-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:28 PM</span>

[kyrr]

<FONT face=Verdana color=#6633ff size=4>You may rest easy. That priest outside NQ gate is not erollosi's prophet. Hmmm, doesn't mean there isn't one though. Weren't the twins somewhat inseperable?? We know Mith has a prophet.</FONT>

[VizP]

Nah seriously though, not major enough as a deity and even worse, easily 'good' aligned. Im afraid the good and bad sides are already full up, we're looking for a neutral winner <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It has to be Veeshan now after my 'essay' otherwise my character will have to run a one man assault against the deity that dare spoil all of that <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[kyrr]

<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#9933ff size=4></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Verdana color=#9933ff size=4>fair enough, but exactly who said it was gonna be evenly divided?? sometimes if you get stuck on an assumption you never see the answer that's right in front of you. (not saying it's not veeshan or any of the others suggested)</FONT></P>

[noexi19]

have we been combing bodies of water? the fishbone earring is an old world item, and Prexus although largely written off could be there be a logical contraster to the fire of ro, no? i would guess everfrost's water <div></div>

[Zabjade]

<blockquote><hr>VizP wrote:Nah seriously though, not major enough as a deity and even worse, easily 'good' aligned. Im afraid the good and bad sides are already full up, we're looking for a neutral winner <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It has to be Veeshan now after my 'essay' otherwise my character will have to run a one man assault against the deity that dare spoil all of that <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">I'm still hoping for The Nameless,  who has one up in Veeshan even, She may have markd the world but Nameless made the world. Besides The Nameless would be something new and diffrent. </font></font></font><div></div>

[Bionickai001]

Wow, this is a lot of food for thought lore.  But if Veeshan is returning to rally up her children, and the nine have come to stop her, I'd think one of the gods returning would be the last god that made a race, Bristlebane.  Veeshan could be coming back but it would make sense if you go by that.  I just wish the devs would give us a hint as to who's on the right track.............

[Dregor]

You need to get off the Nameless kick <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It isn't going to happen.<div></div>

[Wrapye]

If there was a prophet for Veeshan, I would expect to find him/her in the Temple of Scale, probably back near where Harla Dar's instance is located.<div></div>

[Lyriel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kyrrah wrote:<BR> <FONT face=Verdana color=#6633ff size=4>You may rest easy. That priest outside NQ gate is not erollosi's prophet. Hmmm, doesn't mean there isn't one though. Weren't the twins somewhat inseperable?? We know Mith has a prophet.</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you read the Prophet of Marr's dialogue closely, you'll see he's there for both the twins, not just Mithaniel <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Schaestm]

<P>k.. Veeshan and The Nameless - Not going to happen.  Wouldn't make sense to worship either of them even if they do come back in story lines.</P> <P>Bristlebane and Karana are both in the first chapter of the Tome of Destiny, Karana plays a larger role in the rest of the story, but on the other hand Bristlebane created a race.  If the 9th is Bristlebane, his prophet missing has a reasonable explaination, if the 9th is Karana, the prophet missing does not really make sense unless Karana got pwned somehow.  Lets see if we can find the 9th now that there has been another patch..</P> <P>~Morb</P>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bionickai001 wrote:<BR> Wow, this is a lot of food for thought lore.  But if Veeshan is returning to rally up her children, and the nine have come to stop her, I'd think one of the gods returning would be the last god that made a race, Bristlebane.  Veeshan could be coming back but it would make sense if you go by that.  I just wish the devs would give us a hint as to who's on the right track.............<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P><FONT size=2>That is a good theory. With the exception of Quellious and Solusek, all the prophets that have been found represent a god that created a race. Brell created Dwarves and Gnomes; Tunare, the Elves; Innoruuk, the Tier'Dal; Rallos Zek, the Ogres; Cazic Thule, the Trolls and Iksar; Mithaniel Marr, the Barbarians, Humans, Erudites and Frogloks.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>But three gods that created life on Norrath are missing -- Prexus (Kedge), Veeshan (Dragons), and Bristlebane (Halflings). The Kedge are extinct (unless Phinny found a way to survive for another 500 years and/or reproduce), and the Dragons are not a playable race. That leaves Bristlebane with his Halflings. And since Bristlebane is a trickester, <EM>if his is the ninth prophet</EM>, he is probably hiding right under our nose or in the last place we would ever think to look for him.</FONT></P>

[VizP]

<div></div>In terms of my personal theory and Veeshan, these are the points:1/ Someone suggested that the deity choices may not be balanced so by thinking good and evil sides are 'full', we may be going on the wrong track. I think this is incorrect because of the fact developers wanted all of this to be 'faction' based. By doing that we know they would never have one city have more deity 'options' than another (game imbalance and disgruntled players would arise) and we already know the 3 gods for both Freeport and Qeynos. Now we do 'not' know the number of neutral gods although its clear Solusek and Brell are 2 of them. The last may not be worshipable at all - if its Veeshan and my theory is even partially correct, it may not be feasible at all for her to be worshipable. But they never said nine would be worshipable, they said there are nine prophets. We may only get eight choices - 3 each side and 2 neutral.2/ I still believe that Zeb may be the final prophet - if you recall, the final raid resulted in the revelation that this monk washed up on the shores of Mara was this final mortal turned deity that sparked the whole EQ2 alternate timeline. However it was ONLY after the patchnotes indicating 'nine' prophets had returned that he started saying the various 'riddles' that have been posted earlier ni this thread. Its as if he is the nine prophet - he has now 'come' to Norrath because his memory has returned and he has realised what is coming. Yes he is only available to those that have the adventure pack and thus is not accessible to those that don't but arguably he is not accessible to the vast majority that have it either since his revelations are only for those that complete the final raid content and we are talking a small percentage of the player base. Meeting him and talking to him are not necessary anyway because when the storylines explode out, one will know of the situation that started in Mara even if one was never there involved closely in the Zeb storyline. So the idea that his inaccessibility prevents him being the ninth prophet by default is likely not going to hold water in my opinion. 3/ If Zeb is the final prophet of a 'deity' but this deity has to be the one that is central to the storyline that he is prophesising.. one that is about to have a 'huge' effect on the world. This deity if following the basis that it can no longer be a good or evil deity (not by the subject matter they represent but by their personalities and actions - developer indicated this... and the premise the sides will not be unbalanced in terms of choices) so it has to be a neutral and very powerful deity that is about to IMPACT events. Bristlebane and Prexus may be powerful in their own ways but nothing of the kind to impact Norrath and no reason to either. Veeshan on the other hand especially with dragon events seem to be directly connected and the most powerful deity of them all - the sort that could arguably take on many of the other deities without assistance.4/ In terms of coming back to save their children, Bristlebane and Prexus may simply arrive later along with others - the Nine will be followed by others it seems from Zeb's words. Its just that the first Nine are arriving first due to their own agendas be it power, love for their children or 'other'. If I am right about Veeshan, hers is a simple case of ensuring her children get control of the land (perhaps due to the Awakened's requests) - a land they should have had from the first place and most importantly reinforcing the claim she made all those years back.5/ If Veeshan is the final deity and this is the storyline - then she is likely not going to be worshipable by player characters. But she would then not have a 'prophet of Veeshan', jsut a prophet of 'her coming' and Zeb is that prophet even though he talks in riddles and is not saying it outright. Who 'said' that all the deities that are prophesises will be worshipable anyway? You can't sign Veeshan off on that idea.6/ I still believe that Karana can 'not' be the final deity 'because' of the developer post indicating that it is the personality and actions of a adeity that will reflect their alignment and not their 'field of power'. Karana's wuld have been neutral until the developers indicated this. Now he is without a doubt 'good' aligned and the good side seems to be filled since Quellious is confirmed as 'good' (arguments were at first that neutraliy was possible to do the peaceful nature but developers have indicated this is not the case). The only neutral deities left are Bristlebane and Prexus and both honestly seem flacid in terms of interest compared to the others.Speculation - so.... there we are. I say the final prophet has been found - it is Zeb, he prophesises the return of Veeshan (however the twist is he is the only prophet NOT be connected directly to the deity). Actually the last part may not be 'completely' true.. developers hinted in a post that we don't know the full truth about Zeb's involvement yet.. we can guess he is NOT happy with the fact he lost his memory and was put into superfreeze by deities that felt they knew what was best for the world surely? If that is so, Veeshan's revenge would benefit him in that he would be getting his back on the deities that stopped him from spreading his knowledge and treated him in the manner they did. So he could be connected 'and' supporting Veeshan - but is not going to go ahead and indicate this 'any' time soon.If this is all wrong, I still have to say, it would have definitely worked as a storyline hehe and a cool one at that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:32 AM</span>

[Xyran]

<div></div><div></div>6/ I still believe that Karana can 'not' be the final deity 'because' of the developer post indicating that it is the personality and actions of a adeity that will reflect their alignment and not their 'field of power'. Karana's wuld have been neutral until the developers indicated this. Now he is without a doubt 'good' aligned and the good side seems to be filled since Quellious is confirmed as 'good' (arguments were at first that neutraliy was possible to do the peaceful nature but developers have indicated this is not the case). The only neutral deities left are Bristlebane and Prexus and both honestly seem flacid in terms of interest compared to the others.Karana, in EQ1, was a neutral god.  Not because he is the weather god, but because he lookes at situations from both sides before making a decision on which action is the best to take.  That was how he was taken over by what-ever-his-name-was in Planes of Power, because he was meditating on what the best course of action was concerning the mortals invading the planes.  I am of the belief that Karana is the 3rd Neutral god (along with Brell and Solusek).  I would love for it to be Veeshan, but I just dont see it happening.As for the guy that so badly wants the Nameless... why would anyone worship the Nameless?  That would be like worshiping nothing... The point to worshiping a god in EQ2 is you are rewarded for your faith with minor blessings. I just dont see a deity, who's nature is to not care weather you exist or not (that is if they even know you exist at all ), rewarding anyone for anything.<div></div><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by Xyran on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:19 AM</span>

[Logarth]

The new playable race in EQ1 is a dragon touched human. Maybe it is Veeshan and is related somehow to that?

[Schaestm]

<P>Veeshan's only purpose for coming back would be to wtfpwn everything that is non-dragon.  If I remember correctly, Zeb was previously going around teaching mortals the divine language .. admittedly he isn't doing that now, but he still is fairly neutral to begin with.  So even if he was a prophet (which he isn't because he is a god himself) why the hell would he go around as Veeshan's prophet to begin with when his actions thus far haven't indicated he wants to wtfpwn us?  Even in his conversation he admits that his punishment of the taanites for failing their test was unusually cruel.  I just don't see Zeb being Veeshan's prophet (or being a prophet at all) as within the realm of logical.</P> <P>~Morb</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Logarth wrote:<BR> The new playable race in EQ1 is a dragon touched human. Maybe it is Veeshan and is related somehow to that?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>She isn't. Read the brief background about that new race in EQlive and you'll discover that the 6 dragons created them, not Veeshan.</P> <P> </P> <P>Either way, that's not relevant to this.</P>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Logarth wrote:<BR> The new playable race in EQ1 is a dragon touched human. Maybe it is Veeshan and is related somehow to that?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT size=2><FONT size=2> <P>Just something to keep in mind -- anything that happened in EverQuest after Legacy of Ykesha extension pack has no relationship to EverQuest2. </P> <P>So, just because EQLive is getting a dragon-based race, doesn't mean that EQ2 will get one in the future.</P></FONT></FONT>

[kyrr]

<P><FONT size=3>(Disclaimer: All ideas are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of others on this board. :smileywink: )</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>So I had this theory and wanted to check it out. Went back to read tome of destiny. Here's what I found.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>Brell - had an avatar, has a prophet; Cazic - same; Qellious - same; Rallos - same; Solusek - same</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>The following gods either didn't have avatars or they just weren't mentioned: Innoruuk, Mithaniel, and Tunare (all have prophets)</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>OK, so everyone's on this 3 of each kind kick so we need a neutral god for that to work. Well the only god that had an avatar but lacks a prophet confirmed is Karana. If all the others that had avatars specifically mentioned have prophets why not him? Why would SOE leave him out? I don't think they did. Now I haven't talked to all the prophets so I don't know all their speeches, but the ones I have read seem to have personal reasons for being at their location.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>For instance: the monk is in the dojo where he once confirmed monks, the dismal rage leader is w/her group, etc. Why is it assumed that the gods are placing these people (ie the god's character)? Normally prophets begin spreading their message from where they're most comfortable and moving out from there. This would mean if the last one does represent Karana then he/she doesn't need to be in the steppes or stormhold. Quellious' prophet would be just as comfortable w/the ashen order in PoF as he is in elddar grove, but he's not in PoF.  This means that while searching a god's "area" would be a good start we can't limit ourselves just to that.  BTW I know somewhere on this thread is a list of all zones searched, but did anyone look in the centaur village? Why wouldn't a centaur be a prophet? (city merchant painting children of thunder = 2 centaurs, maybe nothing but hey you never know.)</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>I don't think it'll be the nameless or veeshan. Both created things and took off for parts unkown apparently. Of the 8 gods found 5 had avatars named in the tome, 3 did not, why leave out the 6th that did?? I'm really thinking it's Karana, but not where you'd think to look for him.   Happy prophet hunting :smileyvery-happy:</FONT></P>

[xchimaerax]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lyriel wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> kyrrah wrote: <div></div><font color="#6633ff" face="Verdana" size="4">You may rest easy. That priest outside NQ gate is not erollosi's prophet. Hmmm, doesn't mean there isn't one though. Weren't the twins somewhat inseperable?? We know Mith has a prophet.</font> <hr> </blockquote>If you read the Prophet of Marr's dialogue closely, you'll see he's there for both the twins, not just Mithaniel <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>If the priest of Marr is for both of them, then that makes 9 right?Good-Tunare-Mithaniel Marr-Erolissi Marr-Quellious<div>Neutral</div> <div>-Solusek Ro</div> <div>-Brell Serilis</div> <div>-Rallos Zek</div> <div> </div> <div>Evil</div> <div>-Innoruuk</div> -Cazic ThuleI doubt that is what they had in mind, so the search continues, but that does make a list of 9.</div>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>xchimaerax wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Lyriel wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> kyrrah wrote: <div></div><font color="#6633ff" face="Verdana" size="4">You may rest easy. That priest outside NQ gate is not erollosi's prophet. Hmmm, doesn't mean there isn't one though. Weren't the twins somewhat inseperable?? We know Mith has a prophet.</font> <hr> </blockquote>If you read the Prophet of Marr's dialogue closely, you'll see he's there for both the twins, not just Mithaniel <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>If the priest of Marr is for both of them, then that makes 9 right?Good-Tunare-Mithaniel Marr-Erolissi Marr-Quellious<div>Neutral</div> <div>-Solusek Ro</div> <div>-Brell Serilis</div> <div>-Rallos Zek</div> <div> </div> <div>Evil</div> <div>-Innoruuk</div> -Cazic ThuleI doubt that is what they had in mind, so the search continues, but that does make a list of 9.</div><hr></blockquote> That would be 9 gods yes. But it said 9 "prophets" in the patch notes, although Zeb mentions 9 as in 9 gods. So that would make sense, which would in turn mean the patch note is wrong, thus somebody needs to be doing better QA and not confusing everybody.

[Thistleknot]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lyriel wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> kyrrah wrote: <div></div><font color="#6633ff" face="Verdana" size="4">You may rest easy. That priest outside NQ gate is not erollosi's prophet. Hmmm, doesn't mean there isn't one though. Weren't the twins somewhat inseperable?? We know Mith has a prophet.</font> <hr> </blockquote>If you read the Prophet of Marr's dialogue closely, you'll see he's there for both the twins, not just Mithaniel <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Actually, he comments that the order of marr was founded by the Knights of Truth and the Priests of Marr to continue the worship of Erollisi and Mithaniel, but the rest of the dialog only refers to Mithaniel returning. (uses Him, refers to the Truthbringer).</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xchimaerax wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lyriel wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kyrrah wrote:<BR> <FONT face=Verdana color=#6633ff size=4>You may rest easy. That priest outside NQ gate is not erollosi's prophet. Hmmm, doesn't mean there isn't one though. Weren't the twins somewhat inseperable?? We know Mith has a prophet.</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you read the Prophet of Marr's dialogue closely, you'll see he's there for both the twins, not just Mithaniel <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If the priest of Marr is for both of them, then that makes 9 right?<BR><BR>Good<BR>-Tunare<BR>-Mithaniel Marr<BR>-Erolissi Marr<BR>-Quellious<BR><BR> <DIV>Neutral</DIV> <DIV>-Solusek Ro</DIV> <DIV>-Brell Serilis</DIV> <DIV>-Rallos Zek</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Evil</DIV> <DIV>-Innoruuk</DIV>-Cazic Thule<BR><BR>I doubt that is what they had in mind, so the search continues, but that does make a list of 9.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Correction:</P> <P>Evil: Innoruuk, Cazic Thule, Rallos Zek.</P><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:52 PM</span>

[Anthise]

<P><FONT color=#00cc00>I am given to believe where Mithaniel goeth, his twin sister is not far behind. In fact I am fairly certain of this. I think that Sir Bayden might say he is the Prophet of Mithaniel Marr, I doubt he has forgetten her or her ideology, nor should  we for that matter. They seem rather insepartable to me.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#00cc00>How I know, I cannae say. </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#00cc00>*smiles mysteriously, gracefully avoiding answering directly* </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#00cc00>Call me a hopeless romantic, but how could the world go on with her?</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4><EM>Lady Galya Ilyse'Hedeon</EM></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#00cc99>Paragon, Order of Marr</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#0066cc>The Lady of Words</FONT></P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[xchimaerax]

It would seem to me that the reason we cant find this last one and the one who would fit in as a neut quite well, is that it is Bristlebane.  If you remember, the entrance to the plane of Mischief was a little teeny tiny pyramid in a corner of one of the hardest to reach areas (at the time).  If it is the trickster, my guess you wont find his priest without a raid force, and you would probably miss him if you saw him.<div></div>

[xchimaerax]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> xchimaerax wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Lyriel wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> kyrrah wrote: <div></div><font color="#6633ff" face="Verdana" size="4">You may rest easy. That priest outside NQ gate is not erollosi's prophet. Hmmm, doesn't mean there isn't one though. Weren't the twins somewhat inseperable?? We know Mith has a prophet.</font> <hr> </blockquote>If you read the Prophet of Marr's dialogue closely, you'll see he's there for both the twins, not just Mithaniel <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <hr> </blockquote>If the priest of Marr is for both of them, then that makes 9 right?Good-Tunare-Mithaniel Marr-Erolissi Marr-Quellious <div>Neutral</div> <div>-Solusek Ro</div> <div>-Brell Serilis</div> <div>-Rallos Zek</div> <div> </div> <div>Evil</div> <div>-Innoruuk</div>-Cazic ThuleI doubt that is what they had in mind, so the search continues, but that does make a list of 9.</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Correction:</p> <p>Evil: Innoruuk, Cazic Thule, Rallos Zek.</p><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class="date_text">07-24-2006</span> <span class="time_text">02:52 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Yeah, I copied it from earlier in the thread.I believe that Rallos Zek is neutral though, while war and conquest may seem evil, I see it more as neutral.  It is a reason that warriors in EQ1 worshipped him, he doesnt care about the actual deeds and results of the war, he just craves the battle, and pitting your skills as a fighter against your foes.</div>

[Jait]

<DIV>Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  But no.  Rallos Zek is definitely not Neutral hehe.</DIV>

[Lyriel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Thistleknot wrote: <P>Actually, he comments that the order of marr was founded by the Knights of Truth and the Priests of Marr to continue the worship of Erollisi and Mithaniel, but the rest of the dialog only refers to Mithaniel returning. (uses Him, refers to the Truthbringer).<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have always believed that Mithaniel and Errolisi represented the two halves of the chivalric ideal: honor and (courtly) love - they are inseperable yet distinct, two sides of the same coin. Love inspires valor, honor in love is essential...  I'll have to go speak to Sir Bayden again; to me, what he said really did imply both (with an emphasis on Mithaniel to be sure).</P> <P>Lyriel<BR></P>

[Wrapye]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>xchimaerax wrote:<div>I believe that Rallos Zek is neutral though, while war and conquest may seem evil, I see it more as neutral.  It is a reason that warriors in EQ1 worshipped him, he doesnt care about the actual deeds and results of the war, he just craves the battle, and pitting your skills as a fighter against your foes.</div><hr></blockquote>/sigh<a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8141#M8141" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8141#M8141</a>--------------------------------------------------Rallos is pretty evil in EQ lore.  He and his armies tried to destroy the Rathe council and he and Solusek tried to use the Behemouth and the Dresolik to do some real damage to Norrath.  He's enemies with Quellious (Who is a good god) and allied with Innoruuk and Cazic (Who are evil gods).  Granted he's listed as being enemies with Bertoxx but all evil people (like all good people) don't have to get along.Don't get the gods alignment confused with the concept that they represent.  Just because war isn't evil in essence doesn't mean that the god of war isn't evil.  The concept of honor isn't inherently good (or the concept of Lawful Evil would be non-existant) yet Mithaniel Marr is a good god.  The abstract concepts that the gods represent can often be viewed without alignment; however the gods themselves have personalities that are very influenced by (or have a "heavy influence on" depending on your point of view) their alignment.(So yes, Rallos is going to be restricted to evil aligned players)<p>Message Edited by Lyndro-EQ2 on <span class="date_text">07-20-2006</span> <span class="time_text">02:39 PM</span> </p>--------------------------------------------------</div><p>Message Edited by sacremon on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:57 PM</span>

[xchimaerax]

<div><blockquote><hr>sacremon wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>xchimaerax wrote:<div>I believe that Rallos Zek is neutral though, while war and conquest may seem evil, I see it more as neutral.  It is a reason that warriors in EQ1 worshipped him, he doesnt care about the actual deeds and results of the war, he just craves the battle, and pitting your skills as a fighter against your foes.</div><hr></blockquote>/sigh<a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8141#M8141" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8141#M8141</a>--------------------------------------------------Rallos is pretty evil in EQ lore.  He and his armies tried to destroy the Rathe council and he and Solusek tried to use the Behemouth and the Dresolik to do some real damage to Norrath.  He's enemies with Quellious (Who is a good god) and allied with Innoruuk and Cazic (Who are evil gods).  Granted he's listed as being enemies with Bertoxx but all evil people (like all good people) don't have to get along.Don't get the gods alignment confused with the concept that they represent.  Just because war isn't evil in essence doesn't mean that the god of war isn't evil.  The concept of honor isn't inherently good (or the concept of Lawful Evil would be non-existant) yet Mithaniel Marr is a good god.  The abstract concepts that the gods represent can often be viewed without alignment; however the gods themselves have personalities that are very influenced by (or have a "heavy influence on" depending on your point of view) their alignment.(So yes, Rallos is going to be restricted to evil aligned players)<p>Message Edited by Lyndro-EQ2 on <span class="date_text">07-20-2006</span> <span class="time_text">02:39 PM</span> </p>--------------------------------------------------</div><p>Message Edited by sacremon on <span class="date_text">07-24-2006</span> <span class="time_text">04:57 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>What part of "I believe" did you miss?  I'm pretty sure that is a way of stating that it is my opinion.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xchimaerax wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR><BR>I believe that Rallos Zek is neutral though, while war and conquest may seem evil, I see it more as neutral.  It is a reason that warriors in EQ1 worshipped him, he doesnt care about the actual deeds and results of the war, he just craves the battle, and pitting your skills as a fighter against your foes.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>This is true. Every warrior in EQlive except for Vah Shir and Iksar were allowed to choose Rallos Zek as a diety.</P> <P>War is evil. This is true, but that didn't mean that every Qeynosian, or Halfling, or Wood Elf Warrior who followed Rallos Zek was evil. Such people would obviously be influenced by the morals of which they were brought up.</P> <P>One would think that a Qeynosian who craved battle and war, would only do so because he realized that war is sometimes the only way someone can defend what they protect, and can truely bring out his own potential when on the battle field.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>... But when you use war for offensive and greedy purposes, it's pure evil no matter what your mentality. Rallos Zek and his element are both evil, as he and his races have done nothing but used it for thier own selfish purposes of conquest and destruction. That's why he's evil and will only be restricted to Freeport only players.</P> <P> </P> <P>(BTW, Lyndro confirmed that Rallos Zek himself, as a god, is evil. Just so you know.)</P>

[firemonkey5]

And I think Solusk Ro would be evil too since they both seem to have the same idea on how to handle the Norrathians.

[Xyran]

<DIV>Not really,  Solusek didnt want to kill all of the mortals just because he could,  he was acting in the defense of the planes that the mortals were invading.  His alignment would definatly be chaotic neutral.</DIV>

[firemonkey5]

<DIV>Same reason Rallos Zek gives for wanting to attack the mortals.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> firemonkey5 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Same reason Rallos Zek gives for wanting to attack the mortals.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Go read the reason why the Ogres, Giants, Goblins, and Orcs got cursed in the first place and then tell me you still think that.</P> <P>I just typed up the whole story here a few weeks back. search through my posts for lore on The Rathe and you'll find it.</P> <P>When Rallos Zek thinks it'll be fun to send the Manaetic Behemoth back in time so it can deploy the Dresolisk Crystal to scorch the surface of Norrath, killing millions in the process, then having the Behemoth wreak havoc and destruction against anything that survived, and also forcing the survivors to war amongst themselves for survival.... That's evil.</P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>firemonkey5 wrote:<div>Same reason Rallos Zek gives for wanting to attack the mortals.</div><hr></blockquote>That's just it, Rallos doesn't need a reason.  He's the God of War, it's in his nature to go out and bash things in the same way it is for us to, I don't know, breathe.  As for Solusek's reason for attacking, I have a theory.  Solusek is always described as the God of Flames, but I think there's more to him than that.  I see Solusek as, more than the other gods, being a God of Power.  God of gaining power and using power, hence why he's the patron god of wizards.  Mortals are daring to challenge his power as well as that of the other gods; therefore, he has to retaliate and prove himself superior</div>

[Zabjade]

<blockquote><hr>Dregor wrote:You need to get off the Nameless kick <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It isn't going to happen.<div></div><hr></blockquote><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Naw it's fun! Plus it would be original. <span>:smileytongue:</span></font></font></font><div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

The Nameless doesn't care.

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Not enough lore to make that assumption. Otherwise why would he/she/hit/it create in the first place. even if part of a art work is not up to the artist's desire, they will still care for that art-piece. Admittedly my argument is also conjecture. In the end I just find The Nameless facinating, and less <i><b>Ooky</b></i> then the other godlings. </font></font></font><div></div>

[louisepigen]

<DIV>I think i may have found the last prophet... he is standing on the docks of TS but he dont got any followers but that doesnt make him less a prophet imo</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You say, "Hail, Clint Gilcrush</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Clint Gilcrush:Clint Gilcrush/a says to you,"Tell me, why do you submit to the will of leaders that care nothing for you?"</DIV> <DIV><BR>You say to Clint Gilcrush,"Queen Antonia is benevolent and merciful. She rules us well."</DIV> <DIV><BR>Clint Gilcrush:Clint Gilcrush/a says to you,"The Overlord, Queen Antonia... What makes you think they know what is best for you? I think you should decide for yourself what is right. Look at me... I'm successful, needed, wanted, feared... And you know who got me here? I did. Govern yourself, be your own figurehead and leave Lucan and Antonia to play alone in their sandboxes."</DIV> <DIV><BR>You say to Clint Gilcrush,"That makes a lot of sense. I'll think on what you have said."<BR></DIV> <DIV>and if you pick the other answer he says this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>Clint Gilcrush:Clint Gilcrush/a says to you,"Tell me, why do you submit to the will of leaders that care nothing for you?"</DIV> <DIV><BR>You say to Clint Gilcrush,"I submit to no one."</DIV> <DIV><BR>Clint Gilcrush:Clint Gilcrush/a says to you,"Finally, I have found someone else who doesn't bow to the will of insignificant figureheads. Keep your eyes peeled, friend. One day we will all rise up and take what is rightfully ours, our freedom."</DIV> <DIV><BR>You say to Clint Gilcrush,"I long for that day. It was good to meet you."<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tell me what you think and if this can be the last one we been looking for</DIV>

[Punkbr]

Well there's no mention of a god, and the only god that makes me think of is Karana, and what was said earlier about taking the time to choose the appropriate course of action <img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Zabjade]

<div></div><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">I believe that is the character based on the baseball player who forments anarchy. If anything he could be Haven's posterboy much the way Lucan and Antonia are for Freeport and Qeynos. And Sensei Matoko Shonda has no hangers on either. </font></font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by Zabjade on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:35 AM</span>

[Wolfguard6]

Kind of makes sence finding a Karana prophet in the TS, but does seem to lack what the other prophets are telling us, and what the other have around them. Why would this one be diffrent from the other. :smileyindifferent:

[firemonkey5]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>That's just it, Rallos doesn't need a reason.  He's the God of War, it's in his nature to go out and bash things in the same way it is for us to, I don't know, breathe.  As for Solusek's reason for attacking, I have a theory.  Solusek is always described as the God of Flames, but I think there's more to him than that.  I see Solusek as, more than the other gods, being a God of Power.  God of gaining power and using power, hence why he's the patron god of wizards.  Mortals are daring to challenge his power as well as that of the other gods; therefore, he has to retaliate and prove himself superior <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>No Rallos wants to take the world over just like Solusek does. They want to destroy all Norrathians in greed and anger. Not just because Rallos "thinks its fun."

[Lyriel]

<DIV>Clint Gilcrush = Curt Shilling. He is unrelated to the prophets; he has to do with the betrayal quests as publicized earlier.</DIV>

[Jaale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> louisepigen wrote:<BR> <DIV>I think i may have found the last prophet... he is standing on the docks of TS but he dont got any followers but that doesnt make him less a prophet imo</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You say, "Hail, Clint Gilcrush</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Clint Gilcrush:Clint Gilcrush/a says to you,"Tell me, why do you submit to the will of leaders that care nothing for you?"</DIV> <DIV><BR>You say to Clint Gilcrush,"Queen Antonia is benevolent and merciful. She rules us well."</DIV> <DIV><BR>Clint Gilcrush:Clint Gilcrush/a says to you,"The Overlord, Queen Antonia... What makes you think they know what is best for you? I think you should decide for yourself what is right. Look at me... I'm successful, needed, wanted, feared... And you know who got me here? I did. Govern yourself, be your own figurehead and leave Lucan and Antonia to play alone in their sandboxes."</DIV> <DIV><BR>You say to Clint Gilcrush,"That makes a lot of sense. I'll think on what you have said."<BR></DIV> <DIV>and if you pick the other answer he says this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>Clint Gilcrush:Clint Gilcrush/a says to you,"Tell me, why do you submit to the will of leaders that care nothing for you?"</DIV> <DIV><BR>You say to Clint Gilcrush,"I submit to no one."</DIV> <DIV><BR>Clint Gilcrush:Clint Gilcrush/a says to you,"Finally, I have found someone else who doesn't bow to the will of insignificant figureheads. Keep your eyes peeled, friend. One day we will all rise up and take what is rightfully ours, our freedom."</DIV> <DIV><BR>You say to Clint Gilcrush,"I long for that day. It was good to meet you."<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tell me what you think and if this can be the last one we been looking for</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>He's not a prophet he's been there for a while, he's the anagramed name of the Baseball player who's an eq2 fan that has an image of him self in game and every time he is killed money goes to a charity of his choice.</P> <P>If it is Veeshan then I don't think that she is coming back as a happy goddess, a few things about Zeb saying about the hissing coming back for vengence, the end of the dragons etc.. I think that she is going to go mental on them as they have stopped following her.</P> <P>As to the 9th I still don't think we have found it yet and I think it's either going to be somewhere really obscure/so easy we will kick ourselves, or it's going to be a quest to unlock it. Why don't people ask the Dev's at the stratics event on the 3rd?</P>

[ALFDragon]

<DIV>Hello everyone. I have been following this thread since it was created and have been really enjoying it. I attended the SOE Block Party this past Saturday and had the opportunity to talk with <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Saavedra</FONT></STRONG> and <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT> (whom, I found out from talking with <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Saavedra</STRONG></FONT>, is the Lead on EoF). They were both very tight lipped about anything to do with The Prophets, saying that if they gave hints as to whom the Ninth is or where we might find him/her, it would ruin the fun and surprise of discovery. However, they still did give up some new, and very useful, information.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I asked <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT> if anyone was close to guessing the answer to whom the Ninth Prophet represented he said, “Oh it’s out there already.” To which I excitedly asked, “Oh! So someone got it right?” To which he replied, “A few people. Now we’ll just have to wait until everyone figures out which theory is the right one.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This suggests a few things to me, <STRONG>1)</STRONG> any theory that only one person has put forth can be discounted since he clearly said that “a few people” had gotten it right. <STRONG>2)</STRONG> Any theory that has been put forth for the first time since the Block Party can be discounted since the “right” theory was already “out there” long enough before the Block Party that <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> had read it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I asked <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Saavedra</FONT></STRONG> if he could confirm or deny the theory that the Ninth Prophet was not in the game yet he smiled for a moment and then said, “No, I really can’t. I don’t want to ruin the fun people are having in finding all of them.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is enigmatic and could easily be taken either way, but considering that he thought about it and then used present tense verbs (“are” “finding”) and talked about them as a set (“all of them”) my opinion is that the Ninth is in the game already.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only other thing I asked about the Prophets was asked to <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT>. I asked him if he could tell us if the Prophets would gives out quests, I explained that I asked because Mithanial Marr’s Prophet, Sir Dayden Cauldthorn, specifically tells us that The Order of Marr is looking for relics of Mithanial Marr to hasten his return, and it seems like we should be able to donate our Greater Lightstones or Ghoulbanes to the cause. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> replied, “Well, he is looking for specific items, and pretty soon he will tell you what those are.” I then asked “So we will be able to get quests from him to find these?” and he replied, “Yes, the Prophets will all start giving quests soon.” Upon receiving this information I stated that all of the Prophets I had visited so far had items with new graphics (such as the staffs of Sol Ro’s Prophets, the bows of Tunare’s Prophets, or the swords of Mithanial Marr’s Prophets) and asked if we would be able to acquire them through quests, to which <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> replied, “I’d feel pretty sure of it, it’s a good bet.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don’t think this is a total surprise, but it is welcome information as far as I am concerned. I also think it can help us in finding the Ninth. It seems reasonable to me that s/he will not be harder to get to than the other Prophets we have found so far. So even though s/he might be well hidden until we find him/her, once we know where s/he is, we probably won’t have to jump through hoops to access him/her since s/he will be giving quests too.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>That is all the information I have. I am sorry it has taken me so long to post it, but with Comic-Con all weekend, and obligations IRL to attend to Monday, this is the first I’ve had time to post.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kyner Regalis<BR>70 Paladin of Mithaniel Marr<BR>The Isolated - Nektulos<BR></DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

Thank you for that post!<div></div>

[Jaale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ALFDragon wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hello everyone. I have been following this thread since it was created and have been really enjoying it. I attended the SOE Block Party this past Saturday and had the opportunity to talk with <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Saavedra</FONT></STRONG> and <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT> (whom, I found out from talking with <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Saavedra</STRONG></FONT>, is the Lead on EoF). They were both very tight lipped about anything to do with The Prophets, saying that if they gave hints as to whom the Ninth is or where we might find him/her, it would ruin the fun and surprise of discovery. However, they still did give up some new, and very useful, information.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I asked <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT> if anyone was close to guessing the answer to whom the Ninth Prophet represented he said, “Oh it’s out there already.” To which I excitedly asked, “Oh! So someone got it right?” To which he replied, “A few people. Now we’ll just have to wait until everyone figures out which theory is the right one.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This suggests a few things to me, <STRONG>1)</STRONG> any theory that only one person has put forth can be discounted since he clearly said that “a few people” had gotten it right. <STRONG>2)</STRONG> Any theory that has been put forth for the first time since the Block Party can be discounted since the “right” theory was already “out there” long enough before the Block Party that <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> had read it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I asked <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Saavedra</FONT></STRONG> if he could confirm or deny the theory that the Ninth Prophet was not in the game yet he smiled for a moment and then said, “No, I really can’t. I don’t want to ruin the fun people are having in finding all of them.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is enigmatic and could easily be taken either way, but considering that he thought about it and then used present tense verbs (“are” “finding”) and talked about them as a set (“all of them”) my opinion is that the Ninth is in the game already.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only other thing I asked about the Prophets was asked to <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT>. I asked him if he could tell us if the Prophets would gives out quests, I explained that I asked because Mithanial Marr’s Prophet, Sir Dayden Cauldthorn, specifically tells us that The Order of Marr is looking for relics of Mithanial Marr to hasten his return, and it seems like we should be able to donate our Greater Lightstones or Ghoulbanes to the cause. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> replied, “Well, he is looking for specific items, and pretty soon he will tell you what those are.” I then asked “So we will be able to get quests from him to find these?” and he replied, “Yes, the Prophets will all start giving quests soon.” Upon receiving this information I stated that all of the Prophets I had visited so far had items with new graphics (such as the staffs of Sol Ro’s Prophets, the bows of Tunare’s Prophets, or the swords of Mithanial Marr’s Prophets) and asked if we would be able to acquire them through quests, to which <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> replied, “I’d feel pretty sure of it, it’s a good bet.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don’t think this is a total surprise, but it is welcome information as far as I am concerned. I also think it can help us in finding the Ninth. It seems reasonable to me that s/he will not be harder to get to than the other Prophets we have found so far. So even though s/he might be well hidden until we find him/her, once we know where s/he is, we probably won’t have to jump through hoops to access him/her since s/he will be giving quests too.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>That is all the information I have. I am sorry it has taken me so long to post it, but with Comic-Con all weekend, and obligations IRL to attend to Monday, this is the first I’ve had time to post.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kyner Regalis<BR>70 Paladin of Mithaniel Marr<BR>The Isolated - Nektulos<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Gah and I'm in work and not able to get out and start searching again!!! >_<</P> <P>Well ok then it's possible it might be: Veeshan, Bristlebane, Karana, Bert or Zeb as the last god/prophet.</P> <P>Time to get someone out there with see invis and see stealth to search the Zones and underground caverns. (solsek eye would take a long time to search it all but it's likely given that we have one in CT.)</P> <P>Time to search some of the high end oldworld zones and the more obscure lowbie zones. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by Jaale on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:39 PM</span>

[ALFDragon]

<P>Anytime! :smileyhappy:</P> <P>I have to run now, RL again, but I got to talk to <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Beghn</STRONG></FONT> too, so I have a lot more EoF info (that has nothing to do with the Nine Prophets) to share, just not the time to share it now. Sorry:smileysad:<BR>but it is comming, I <SPAN>swear</SPAN>!<BR>(Don't worry, I'll post it in the <SPAN>appropriate</SPAN> threads, not here :smileywink: )</P> <P>(You can find the info about EoF <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8531#M8531" target=_blank>here</A>, and the info about Trade Skill Writs <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=general_tradeskill&message.id=111480#M111480" target=_blank>here</A>)</P> <P>Kyner Regalis<BR>70 Paladin of Mithaniel Marr<BR>The Isolated - Nektulos</P> <P> </P> <P>**Edited to give links to the promised info**</P><p>Message Edited by ALFDragon on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:55 PM</span>

[Jaale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ALFDragon wrote:<BR> <P>Anytime! :smileyhappy:</P> <P>I have to run now, RL again, but I got to talk to <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Beghn</STRONG></FONT> too, so I have a lot more EoF info (that has nothing to do with the Nine Prophets) to share, just not the time to share it now. Sorry:smileysad:<BR>but it is comming, I <SPAN>swear</SPAN>!<BR>(Don't worry, I'll post it in the <SPAN>appropriate</SPAN> threads, not here :smileywink: )</P> <P>Kyner Regalis<BR>70 Paladin of Mithaniel Marr<BR>The Isolated - Nektulos</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well at least post a "hold all" thread with all the bits from all the little threads, so we can find that rather than having to search through all the boards for the info <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P> <P>Thanks for the info though it's all welcome!</P>

[Whazy]

I don't have a toon with tracking ability.  Do the known 8 prophets show up on tracking?

[KniteShayd]

If it is bristlebane i doubt he'll show up on track.  I'd try looking for him with both see invis and see stealth.  perhaps if it is him we should look for him with the racial vision traits alot of us have.

[Whazy]

Maybe Karana's Prophet only shows up when it's raining in TS (or CL)

[Wolfguard6]

<P>Ok from what you say about the block party info you shared with us I would have to say the 9th Prophet is going to be Bristlebane's. </P> <P><STRONG>Bristlebane</STRONG> is also known as <I>The King of Thieves</I>. Followers of Bristlebane believe in having fun, at the expense of nearly all else. Bards, rogues, jesters, gamblers and gypsies are all typical followers. They are almost always very charming, clever, and witty, traits which all Bristlebane followers should strive to have. Mischief in all its forms is encouraged. Practical jokes are performed as if they are the highest of rituals. Very few of Bristlebane's followers are outright wicked in their desires but it is best to keep at least one eye on your purse if they are about. And never let one deal you a hand of King's Court.</P> <P>There is some Prophet out there right now laughing his butt off at us all trying to find him/her. In doing this Pleasing Bristlebane in his worship to him.  I have some ideas as to where the prophet maybe I will post the outcome when I am done looking.  Where is Rallos when I need him. I know you are coming back to this world lord Rallos when you do I shall prove my way and slay this baffone for making us hunt for him. Hiding like a weak and infeable creature he is. </P>

[Ilucide]

Good thing no one found Jindrack, Vhalen and I at the Block Party. They might have pried valuable information from Vhalen after a few beers!<div></div>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR>Good thing no one found Jindrack, Vhalen and I at the Block Party. They might have pried valuable information from Vhalen after a few beers!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Bah, forget the beers, I would have charmed it it of him.  but, now that I think about it, beer may be a more practical route to take.  Then I could cast <EM>Whirl til you hurl</EM> and force it out of him.  most people don't remember that spell, but i do:smileywink:<p>Message Edited by KniteShayd on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:42 AM</span>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>KniteShayd wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Ilucide wrote:Good thing no one found Jindrack, Vhalen and I at the Block Party. They might have pried valuable information from Vhalen after a few beers! <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Bah, forget the beers, I would have charmed it it of him.  but, now that I think about it, beer may be a more practical route to take.  Then I could cast <em>Whirl til you hurl</em> and force it out of him.  most people don't remember that spell, but i do:smileywink:<p>Message Edited by KniteShayd on <span class="date_text">07-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:42 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>BLEH...I remember!</div>

[Emerix]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wolfguard6 wrote:<BR> <P>Ok from what you say about the block party info you shared with us I would have to say the 9th Prophet is going to be Bristlebane's. </P> <P><STRONG>Bristlebane</STRONG> is also known as <I>The King of Thieves</I>. Followers of Bristlebane believe in having fun, at the expense of nearly all else. Bards, rogues, jesters, gamblers and gypsies are all typical followers. They are almost always very charming, clever, and witty, traits which all Bristlebane followers should strive to have. Mischief in all its forms is encouraged. Practical jokes are performed as if they are the highest of rituals. Very few of Bristlebane's followers are outright wicked in their desires but it is best to keep at least one eye on your purse if they are about. And never let one deal you a hand of King's Court.</P> <P>There is some Prophet out there right now laughing his butt off at us all trying to find him/her. In doing this Pleasing Bristlebane in his worship to him.  I have some ideas as to where the prophet maybe I will post the outcome when I am done looking.  Where is Rallos when I need him. I know you are coming back to this world lord Rallos when you do I shall prove my way and slay this baffone for making us hunt for him. Hiding like a weak and infeable creature he is. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well im goin to check out all inns in qeynos and rivervale i know and see if hes there . Wouldnt see why a prophet who is supposed to shout out the return of his god would be invisible .

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Emerix wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wolfguard6 wrote:<BR> <P>Ok from what you say about the block party info you shared with us I would have to say the 9th Prophet is going to be Bristlebane's. </P> <P><STRONG>Bristlebane</STRONG> is also known as <I>The King of Thieves</I>. Followers of Bristlebane believe in having fun, at the expense of nearly all else. Bards, rogues, jesters, gamblers and gypsies are all typical followers. They are almost always very charming, clever, and witty, traits which all Bristlebane followers should strive to have. Mischief in all its forms is encouraged. Practical jokes are performed as if they are the highest of rituals. Very few of Bristlebane's followers are outright wicked in their desires but it is best to keep at least one eye on your purse if they are about. And never let one deal you a hand of King's Court.</P> <P>There is some Prophet out there right now laughing his butt off at us all trying to find him/her. In doing this Pleasing Bristlebane in his worship to him.  I have some ideas as to where the prophet maybe I will post the outcome when I am done looking.  Where is Rallos when I need him. I know you are coming back to this world lord Rallos when you do I shall prove my way and slay this baffone for making us hunt for him. Hiding like a weak and infeable creature he is. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well im goin to check out all inns in qeynos and rivervale i know and see if hes there . <FONT color=#ffcc00>Wouldnt see why a prophet who is supposed to shout out the return of his god would be invisible</FONT> .<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because his/her god is a mirthful trickster.  It would be in good fun to display the behavior that the god himself would display.

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR>Good thing no one found Jindrack, Vhalen and I at the Block Party. They might have pried valuable information from Vhalen after a few beers!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What kind of beers do you like?  I work a few blocks away (at Petco Corporate) and I'd be happy to stop by after work sometime.

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Emerix wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wolfguard6 wrote:<BR> <P>Ok from what you say about the block party info you shared with us I would have to say the 9th Prophet is going to be Bristlebane's. </P> <P><STRONG>Bristlebane</STRONG> is also known as <I>The King of Thieves</I>. Followers of Bristlebane believe in having fun, at the expense of nearly all else. Bards, rogues, jesters, gamblers and gypsies are all typical followers. They are almost always very charming, clever, and witty, traits which all Bristlebane followers should strive to have. Mischief in all its forms is encouraged. Practical jokes are performed as if they are the highest of rituals. Very few of Bristlebane's followers are outright wicked in their desires but it is best to keep at least one eye on your purse if they are about. And never let one deal you a hand of King's Court.</P> <P>There is some Prophet out there right now laughing his butt off at us all trying to find him/her. In doing this Pleasing Bristlebane in his worship to him.  I have some ideas as to where the prophet maybe I will post the outcome when I am done looking.  Where is Rallos when I need him. I know you are coming back to this world lord Rallos when you do I shall prove my way and slay this baffone for making us hunt for him. Hiding like a weak and infeable creature he is. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well im goin to check out all inns in qeynos and rivervale i know and see if hes there . <FONT color=#ffcc00>Wouldnt see why a prophet who is supposed to shout out the return of his god would be invisible</FONT> .<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because his/her god is a mirthful trickster.  It would be in good fun to display the behavior that the god himself would display.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ah thank you for posting the back up. This is my point I beleave it to be a game for Brislebane. how long now has everyone looked for this one prophet. Um July 13th 2006 its now the 12 days later. This has turned out to be one big hide and seek game for us. I don't think  invisable is the key but I think not well know parts of zones may well be the key. Still looking and will post outcomes.  

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wolfguard6 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Emerix wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wolfguard6 wrote:<BR> <P>Ok from what you say about the block party info you shared with us I would have to say the 9th Prophet is going to be Bristlebane's. </P> <P><STRONG>Bristlebane</STRONG> is also known as <I>The King of Thieves</I>. Followers of Bristlebane believe in having fun, at the expense of nearly all else. Bards, rogues, jesters, gamblers and gypsies are all typical followers. They are almost always very charming, clever, and witty, traits which all Bristlebane followers should strive to have. Mischief in all its forms is encouraged. Practical jokes are performed as if they are the highest of rituals. Very few of Bristlebane's followers are outright wicked in their desires but it is best to keep at least one eye on your purse if they are about. And never let one deal you a hand of King's Court.</P> <P>There is some Prophet out there right now laughing his butt off at us all trying to find him/her. In doing this Pleasing Bristlebane in his worship to him.  I have some ideas as to where the prophet maybe I will post the outcome when I am done looking.  Where is Rallos when I need him. I know you are coming back to this world lord Rallos when you do I shall prove my way and slay this baffone for making us hunt for him. Hiding like a weak and infeable creature he is. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well im goin to check out all inns in qeynos and rivervale i know and see if hes there . <FONT color=#ffcc00>Wouldnt see why a prophet who is supposed to shout out the return of his god would be invisible</FONT> .<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because his/her god is a mirthful trickster.  It would be in good fun to display the behavior that the god himself would display.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ah thank you for posting the back up. This is my point I beleave it to be a game for Brislebane. how long now has everyone looked for this one prophet. Um July 13th 2006 its now the 12 days later. This has turned out to be one big hide and seek game for us. I don't think  invisable is the key but I think not well know parts of zones may well be the key. Still looking and will post outcomes.  <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>well, i suggested maybe he/she is in a tree or rock.  or maybe he/she is in the ocean.  no one has said if they have checked runnyeye...

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV><SPAN> <DIV><SPAN><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT></STRONG> <HR> <STRONG><FONT color=#ffff66>Do I get to enjoy any new content if I don't purchase the Adventure Pack?</FONT></STRONG></SPAN><SPAN> Yes! When the Bloodline Chronicles launches on </SPAN><SPAN>March 21, 2005</SPAN><SPAN>, <STRONG>all current EverQuest II subscribers get access, at no additional cost, to a new zone called the Tombs of Night just for being an EverQuest II subscriber!</STRONG> The Tombs of Night includes new quests, new items, and new challenges to conquer. <HR> </SPAN></DIV> <P>Since it <EM>is </EM>part of the basic game, has anyone thought to look in the Tombs of Night yet for the elusive ninth herald?</SPAN></P></DIV>

[Cyanbane]

Question #1:  At what point does this become the longest Lore thread ever?Question #2: Is 412 the longest a thread has ever gone without a dev comment?Question #3: Is it still illegal to send alcohol across state lines?  Cause if not i can send you guys a bottle of rum and you guys can hop on our podcast one night and go to town spilling any beans you want. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Whazy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> <DIV><SPAN> <DIV><SPAN><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT></STRONG> <HR> <STRONG><FONT color=#ffff66>Do I get to enjoy any new content if I don't purchase the Adventure Pack?</FONT></STRONG></SPAN><SPAN> Yes! When the Bloodline Chronicles launches on </SPAN><SPAN>March 21, 2005</SPAN><SPAN>, <STRONG>all current EverQuest II subscribers get access, at no additional cost, to a new zone called the Tombs of Night just for being an EverQuest II subscriber!</STRONG> The Tombs of Night includes new quests, new items, and new challenges to conquer. <HR> </SPAN></DIV> <P>Since it <EM>is </EM>part of the basic game, has anyone thought to look in the Tombs of Night yet for the elusive ninth herald?</SPAN></P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The only deity that would associate themselves with vampires would be a quasi-god, Mistmore.  Karana and Bristlebane would find no reason to have a prophet in the den of vampires.  I could see Marr sending his prophet there, for glory and valor, but not anyone else.  Besides, which instance would the prophet hang out in?</P> <P>It's worth having a looksee in there, but I don't think we'll find anything.</P>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cyanbane wrote:<BR>Question #1:  At what point does this become the longest Lore thread ever?<BR><BR>Question #2: Is 412 the longest a thread has ever gone without a dev comment?<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Question #3: Is it still illegal to send alcohol across state lines?  Cause if not i can send you guys a bottle of rum and you guys can hop on our podcast one night and go to town spilling any beans you want.</FONT> <BR><BR><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Depends on state regulations.  some allow it and some don't, has to do with taxable gifts and such issues. (except Utah, thats a whole other issue)<BR>You couldn't send through post office due to it's flamability, but you could try, UPS, FedEx, or DHL.:smileytongue:

[Emerix]

OKi not found anything in those inns . then again i didnt use see invis .. invisible prophets are pointless imo .

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>I think we can rule out an invisible Bristlebane prophet at this point.  Since the devs have confirmed that the prophets are going to give out quests, people need to be able to actually see the prophet to get the quest.  If he was invisible, then only mages and scouts would be able to do the quest, which isn't very fair.Oh, and for the ideas on where to search, just thought I'd put out that the newbie zones and Runnyeye have been searched already<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> I think we can rule out an invisible Bristlebane prophet at this point.  Since the devs have confirmed that the prophets are going to give out quests, people need to be able to actually see the prophet to get the quest.  If he was invisible, then only mages and scouts would be able to do the quest, which isn't very fair.<BR><BR>Oh, and for the ideas on where to search, just thought I'd put out that the newbie zones and Runnyeye have been searched already<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not to mention, being invisible isn't exactly a trick worthy of being mischeivous. Even if he was invisible, we'd still see the 3 NPC's hanging out with it.</P> <P>Besides. Mischief is pretty low on the list of influential emotions when it comes to the gods returning and needing to spread thier influences across Norrath in order to help restore it to what it once was.<BR></P>

[kyrr]

<FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#9933ff size=3>Nice info from the con :smileyhappy:  just enough to keep us hooked without any real help :smileymad:  my thinking is that it's either bristlebane or karana as more than one person has said that's what they think.  If it's bristlebane, i think he's just in a really good hiding spot. Karana....who knows? I don't think SH though, only things in there are undead and gooey slimes, not much to propehsy to there.  Like I said before, the prophets aren't where you'd think to see them necessarily. I would think Innoruuk's prophet should be in Nek, but she's in FP w/the dismal rage since she's leader ( I know they're his religous order so to speak). Marr's guy was sent to qeynos by "the leaders" again ppl's choice. I don't think any of them actually have said that the god spoke to them or appeared to them or any manifestation like that. So seems they're deciding on their own (or w/other peeps) where to set up shop. If I'm right Karana may not be in TS and Bristlebane may not be in EL/RV for that matter. Depressing thought I know :smileysad: As far as the longest thread ever, i'm gonna keep posting just to make sure we get that distinction :smileywink:  Happy Prophet hunting!! :smileyvery-happy:</FONT>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Mirander wrote: <div></div>I think we can rule out an invisible Bristlebane prophet at this point.  Since the devs have confirmed that the prophets are going to give out quests, people need to be able to actually see the prophet to get the quest.  If he was invisible, then only mages and scouts would be able to do the quest, which isn't very fair.Oh, and for the ideas on where to search, just thought I'd put out that the newbie zones and Runnyeye have been searched already <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Not to mention, being invisible isn't exactly a trick worthy of being mischeivous. Even if he was invisible, we'd still see the 3 NPC's hanging out with it.</p> <p>Besides. Mischief is pretty low on the list of influential emotions when it comes to the gods returning and needing to spread thier influences across Norrath in order to help restore it to what it once was.</p><hr></blockquote>Oh, I don't know about that.  A little mischief here and there is good for the balance of the world.  /snickers</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Yeah but Pantsing a nightblood isn't going to help restore Rivervale to the Halflings the same way a nice good storm would.</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

No, but annoying the heck out of them with practical jokes might.<div></div>

[Krilinye]

<P>What do you get if you mate a Halfling with a Nightblood? </P> <P>Bart Simpson</P> <P>Why do nightbloods have their eyes on fire?</P> <P>Cus they didnt invent the torch</P> <P>Why does Lamias hang around Nightbloods?</P> <P>Cus they didnt invent the torch either..</P> <P> </P> <P>Yay happy Bristlebane day!</P> <P> </P> <P>*done*</P> <P> </P> <P>PS: No, i didnt know i could write such bad jokes, so heres a better 1 to weight up for the 3 bad jokes..</P> <P>If i had 2 fish i would call them 1 and 2 so if 1 died i would still have 2..</P> <P> </P> <P>Cya ingame</P>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ALFDragon wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hello everyone. I have been following this thread since it was created and have been really enjoying it. I attended the SOE Block Party this past Saturday and had the opportunity to talk with <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Saavedra</FONT></STRONG> and <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT> (whom, I found out from talking with <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Saavedra</STRONG></FONT>, is the Lead on EoF). They were both very tight lipped about anything to do with The Prophets, saying that if they gave hints as to whom the Ninth is or where we might find him/her, it would ruin the fun and surprise of discovery. However, they still did give up some new, and very useful, information.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I asked <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT> if anyone was close to guessing the answer to whom the Ninth Prophet represented he said, “Oh it’s out there already.” To which I excitedly asked,<STRONG> “Oh! So someone got it right?” To which he replied, “A few people. Now we’ll just have to wait until everyone figures out which theory is the right one.”</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This suggests a few things to me, <STRONG>1)</STRONG> any theory that only one person has put forth can be discounted since he clearly said that “a few people” had gotten it right. <STRONG>2)</STRONG> Any theory that has been put forth for the first time since the Block Party can be discounted since the “right” theory was already “out there” long enough before the Block Party that <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> had read it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I asked <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Saavedra</FONT></STRONG> if he could confirm or deny the theory that the Ninth Prophet was not in the game yet he smiled for a moment and then said, “No, I really can’t. I don’t want to ruin the fun people are having in finding all of them.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is enigmatic and could easily be taken either way, but considering that he thought about it and then used present tense verbs (“are” “finding”) and talked about them as a set (“all of them”) my opinion is that the Ninth is in the game already.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only other thing I asked about the Prophets was asked to <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT>. I asked him if he could tell us if the Prophets would gives out quests, I explained that I asked because Mithanial Marr’s Prophet, Sir Dayden Cauldthorn, specifically tells us that The Order of Marr is looking for relics of Mithanial Marr to hasten his return, and it seems like we should be able to donate our Greater Lightstones or Ghoulbanes to the cause. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> replied, “Well, he is looking for specific items, and pretty soon he will tell you what those are.” I then asked “So we will be able to get quests from him to find these?” and he replied, “Yes, the Prophets will all start giving quests soon.” Upon receiving this information I stated that all of the Prophets I had visited so far had items with new graphics (such as the staffs of Sol Ro’s Prophets, the bows of Tunare’s Prophets, or the swords of Mithanial Marr’s Prophets) and asked if we would be able to acquire them through quests, to which <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> replied, “I’d feel pretty sure of it, it’s a good bet.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don’t think this is a total surprise, but it is welcome information as far as I am concerned. I also think it can help us in finding the Ninth. It seems reasonable to me that s/he will not be harder to get to than the other Prophets we have found so far. So even though s/he might be well hidden until we find him/her, once we know where s/he is, we probably won’t have to jump through hoops to access him/her since s/he will be giving quests too.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>That is all the information I have. I am sorry it has taken me so long to post it, but with Comic-Con all weekend, and obligations IRL to attend to Monday, this is the first I’ve had time to post.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kyner Regalis<BR>70 Paladin of Mithaniel Marr<BR>The Isolated - Nektulos<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>i was wandering around in KoS yesterday and stumble upon a froglok in that tangel zone (the one that teleports to/from cl and ant) that seemed to know something about E. marr and me and a few others guessed her before comic con...ill go get screen shots and copy text from my log<BR>

[Wrapye]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mirander wrote:<div></div>I think we can rule out an invisible Bristlebane prophet at this point.  Since the devs have confirmed that the prophets are going to give out quests, people need to be able to actually see the prophet to get the quest.  If he was invisible, then only mages and scouts would be able to do the quest, which isn't very fair.Oh, and for the ideas on where to search, just thought I'd put out that the newbie zones and Runnyeye have been searched already<div></div><hr></blockquote>only mages and scouts?  Anyone can use Totems of the Owl and Butterfly (which give See Invis and See Stealth, respectively).</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Evilcow wrote:</P> <P>i was wandering around in KoS yesterday and stumble upon a froglok in that tangel zone (the one that teleports to/from cl and ant) that seemed to know something about E. marr and me and a few others guessed her before comic con...ill go get screen shots and copy text from my log<BR><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Lady Erillis has been in the game since Kingdom of Sky first came out. She's the leader of the froglok refugees.</P> <P>We've already ruled out the expansions as possible areas these guys could be, because that means that not everyone would have access to them if they wanted, because not everyone has the expansions.</P>

[Evilcow]

<P>EDIT: oops sorry i didn't know the npc was in scince KoS launched</P><p>Message Edited by Evilcow on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:45 AM</span>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>Since people are talking about where to find the last prophet, I figured I'd pull up the list of zones searched that we had on one of the first few pages<blockquote><div></div><blockquote><hr><div></div><blockquote><hr><ul><li>Everfrost</li><li>Permafrost</li><li>Enchanted Lands</li><li>Rivervale</li><li>Qeynos Sewers (all 3)</li><li>Freeport Sewers (all 3?)</li><li>Runnyeye</li><li>Wailing Caves</li><li>Solusek Eye</li><li>Stormhold</li><li>Sunken City</li><li>Commonlands</li><li>Nektolus Forest</li><li>Fallen Gate</li><li>Vault of the Fallen</li><li><font color="#ffffff">Antonica</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Blackburrow</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Thundering Steppes</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Zek</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Feerrott</font></li><li><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff">half of Lavastorm (stopped at Sol Ro temple)</font></font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Obelisk of Lost Souls</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Tower of the Drafling</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Freeport</font></li><li><font color="#ffffff">Freeport Newbie Zones</font></li><li>Qeynos</li><li><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff"><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff">Qeynos Newbie Zones</font></font></font></font></li></ul><hr></blockquote><div></div></blockquote><div></div><hr></blockquote><div></div>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jaale wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ALFDragon wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hello everyone. I have been following this thread since it was created and have been really enjoying it. I attended the SOE Block Party this past Saturday and had the opportunity to talk with <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Saavedra</FONT></STRONG> and <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT> (whom, I found out from talking with <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Saavedra</STRONG></FONT>, is the Lead on EoF). They were both very tight lipped about anything to do with The Prophets, saying that if they gave hints as to whom the Ninth is or where we might find him/her, it would ruin the fun and surprise of discovery. However, they still did give up some new, and very useful, information.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I asked <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT> if anyone was close to guessing the answer to whom the Ninth Prophet represented he said, “Oh it’s out there already.” To which I excitedly asked, “Oh! So someone got it right?” To which he replied, “A few people. Now we’ll just have to wait until everyone figures out which theory is the right one.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This suggests a few things to me, <STRONG>1)</STRONG> any theory that only one person has put forth can be discounted since he clearly said that “a few people” had gotten it right. <STRONG>2)</STRONG> Any theory that has been put forth for the first time since the Block Party can be discounted since the “right” theory was already “out there” long enough before the Block Party that <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> had read it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I asked <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Saavedra</FONT></STRONG> if he could confirm or deny the theory that the Ninth Prophet was not in the game yet he smiled for a moment and then said, “No, I really can’t. I don’t want to ruin the fun people are having in finding all of them.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is enigmatic and could easily be taken either way, but considering that he thought about it and then used present tense verbs (“are” “finding”) and talked about them as a set (“all of them”) my opinion is that the Ninth is in the game already.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only other thing I asked about the Prophets was asked to <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT>. I asked him if he could tell us if the Prophets would gives out quests, I explained that I asked because Mithanial Marr’s Prophet, Sir Dayden Cauldthorn, specifically tells us that The Order of Marr is looking for relics of Mithanial Marr to hasten his return, and it seems like we should be able to donate our Greater Lightstones or Ghoulbanes to the cause. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> replied, “Well, he is looking for specific items, and pretty soon he will tell you what those are.” I then asked “So we will be able to get quests from him to find these?” and he replied, “Yes, the Prophets will all start giving quests soon.” Upon receiving this information I stated that all of the Prophets I had visited so far had items with new graphics (such as the staffs of Sol Ro’s Prophets, the bows of Tunare’s Prophets, or the swords of Mithanial Marr’s Prophets) and asked if we would be able to acquire them through quests, to which <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> replied, “I’d feel pretty sure of it, it’s a good bet.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don’t think this is a total surprise, but it is welcome information as far as I am concerned. I also think it can help us in finding the Ninth. It seems reasonable to me that s/he will not be harder to get to than the other Prophets we have found so far. So even though s/he might be well hidden until we find him/her, once we know where s/he is, we probably won’t have to jump through hoops to access him/her since s/he will be giving quests too.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>That is all the information I have. I am sorry it has taken me so long to post it, but with Comic-Con all weekend, and obligations IRL to attend to Monday, this is the first I’ve had time to post.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kyner Regalis<BR>70 Paladin of Mithaniel Marr<BR>The Isolated - Nektulos<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Gah and I'm in work and not able to get out and start searching again!!! >_<</P> <P><STRONG>Well ok then it's possible it might be: Veeshan, Bristlebane, Karana, Bert or Zeb as the last god/prophet.</STRONG></P> <P>Time to get someone out there with see invis and see stealth to search the Zones and underground caverns. (solsek eye would take a long time to search it all but it's likely given that we have one in CT.)</P> <P>Time to search some of the high end oldworld zones and the more obscure lowbie zones. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Message Edited by Jaale on <SPAN class=date_text>07-25-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:39 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>you can add E. marr to that list as well more than one person has sudgested her...one being myself<BR><BR>p.s. i am playing the game atm so ill go check some places any where people whant me to check tell me and ill go there<p>Message Edited by Evilcow on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:52 AM</span>

[Lonissa]

<div><blockquote><hr>ALFDragon wrote:<div></div>*snip*<div> </div> <div> </div> <div>The only other thing I asked about the Prophets was asked to <font color="#ff0033"><strong>Dymus</strong></font>. I asked him if he could tell us if the Prophets would gives out quests, I explained that I asked because Mithanial Marr’s Prophet, Sir Dayden Cauldthorn, specifically tells us that The Order of Marr is looking for relics of Mithanial Marr to hasten his return, and it seems like we should be able to donate our Greater Lightstones or Ghoulbanes to the cause. <strong><font color="#ff0033">Dymus</font></strong> replied, “Well, he is looking for specific items, and pretty soon he will tell you what those are.” I then asked “So we will be able to get quests from him to find these?” and he replied, “Yes, the Prophets will all start giving quests soon.” Upon receiving this information I stated that all of the Prophets I had visited so far had items with new graphics (such as the staffs of Sol Ro’s Prophets, the bows of Tunare’s Prophets, or the swords of Mithanial Marr’s Prophets) and asked if we would be able to acquire them through quests, to which <strong><font color="#ff0033">Dymus</font></strong> replied, “I’d feel pretty sure of it, it’s a good bet.”</div> <div> </div>*snip*<hr></blockquote>Looks like at least some of the quests are in on test, even though there's nothing in the update notes about it.  There's a champion of valor on the QH dock that suggests going to talk to Bayden in CL.</div>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Emaleth2000 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ALFDragon wrote:<BR> *snip* <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only other thing I asked about the Prophets was asked to <FONT color=#ff0033><STRONG>Dymus</STRONG></FONT>. I asked him if he could tell us if the Prophets would gives out quests, I explained that I asked because Mithanial Marr’s Prophet, Sir Dayden Cauldthorn, specifically tells us that The Order of Marr is looking for relics of Mithanial Marr to hasten his return, and it seems like we should be able to donate our Greater Lightstones or Ghoulbanes to the cause. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> replied, “Well, he is looking for specific items, and pretty soon he will tell you what those are.” I then asked “So we will be able to get quests from him to find these?” and he replied, “Yes, the Prophets will all start giving quests soon.” Upon receiving this information I stated that all of the Prophets I had visited so far had items with new graphics (such as the staffs of Sol Ro’s Prophets, the bows of Tunare’s Prophets, or the swords of Mithanial Marr’s Prophets) and asked if we would be able to acquire them through quests, to which <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0033>Dymus</FONT></STRONG> replied, “I’d feel pretty sure of it, it’s a good bet.”</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>*snip* <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Looks like at least some of the quests are in on test, even though there's nothing in the update notes about it.  There's a champion of valor on the QH dock that suggests going to talk to Bayden in CL.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>ill check that out when im done in the feerrot<BR>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>ALFDragon wrote:<div></div>*snip*<div> </div><div> </div><div>The only other thing I asked about the Prophets was asked to <font color="#ff0033"><strong>Dymus</strong></font>. I asked him if he could tell us if the Prophets would gives out quests, I explained that I asked because Mithanial Marr’s Prophet, Sir Dayden Cauldthorn, specifically tells us that The Order of Marr is looking for relics of Mithanial Marr to hasten his return, and it seems like we should be able to donate our Greater Lightstones or Ghoulbanes to the cause. <strong><font color="#ff0033">Dymus</font></strong> replied, “Well, he is looking for specific items, and pretty soon he will tell you what those are.” I then asked “So we will be able to get quests from him to find these?” and he replied, “Yes, the Prophets will all start giving quests soon.” Upon receiving this information I stated that all of the Prophets I had visited so far had items with new graphics (such as the staffs of Sol Ro’s Prophets, the bows of Tunare’s Prophets, or the swords of Mithanial Marr’s Prophets) and asked if we would be able to acquire them through quests, to which <strong><font color="#ff0033">Dymus</font></strong> replied, “I’d feel pretty sure of it, it’s a good bet.”</div><div> </div>*snip*<hr></blockquote>Looks like at least some of the quests are in on test, even though there's nothing in the update notes about it.  There's a champion of valor on the QH dock that suggests going to talk to Bayden in CL.</div><hr></blockquote>Hmm... an NPC in an easy to find place who tells you where to meet one of the prophets?  This might just help us in finding this 9th SOB when the patch goes live</div>

[Lonissa]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mirander wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>ALFDragon wrote:<div></div>*snip*<div> </div><div> </div><div>The only other thing I asked about the Prophets was asked to <font color="#ff0033"><strong>Dymus</strong></font>. I asked him if he could tell us if the Prophets would gives out quests, I explained that I asked because Mithanial Marr’s Prophet, Sir Dayden Cauldthorn, specifically tells us that The Order of Marr is looking for relics of Mithanial Marr to hasten his return, and it seems like we should be able to donate our Greater Lightstones or Ghoulbanes to the cause. <strong><font color="#ff0033">Dymus</font></strong> replied, “Well, he is looking for specific items, and pretty soon he will tell you what those are.” I then asked “So we will be able to get quests from him to find these?” and he replied, “Yes, the Prophets will all start giving quests soon.” Upon receiving this information I stated that all of the Prophets I had visited so far had items with new graphics (such as the staffs of Sol Ro’s Prophets, the bows of Tunare’s Prophets, or the swords of Mithanial Marr’s Prophets) and asked if we would be able to acquire them through quests, to which <strong><font color="#ff0033">Dymus</font></strong> replied, “I’d feel pretty sure of it, it’s a good bet.”</div><div> </div>*snip*<hr></blockquote>Looks like at least some of the quests are in on test, even though there's nothing in the update notes about it.  There's a champion of valor on the QH dock that suggests going to talk to Bayden in CL.</div><hr></blockquote>Hmm... an NPC in an easy to find place who tells you where to meet one of the prophets?  This might just help us in finding this 9th SOB when the patch goes live</div><hr></blockquote>I'm doing Bayden's quest now, otherwise I'd be looking for the others <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Squallaby]

On the Karana end..I know Stormhold has been searched.. but has anyone done the "Maelstrom" mini ring event in the zone to see if that triggers anything? Long shot I know.. but worth checking out. If I get on tonight (iffy due to wife being annoyed with me for being on late last night) I''ll go check.I know its a big long shot though.. but I wonder if the 9th is a triggered spawn.. not quite like the others. Now the other thought was always Prexus.. and I wouldn't but it past SoE simply because there is so much water in the world that is hard to explore it all.. Imagine.. an underwater triggered Prophet.. I keep leaning to triggered because I think it would have been found if it just was wandering around because of tracking. So the easiest reason for that is its triggered. So what mobs are triggered mobs?And what causes them to trigger?Events (mini rings and the like) are the first thing that pops into my head, and the only mini ring style event I can think of that deals with Karana is the Maelstrom in SH.(Forgive me if this is rambling.. I tend to do a stream of thought type writing)Bristlebane.. now.. that's a question mark.. if it IS Bristlebane.. and if he's a triggered spawn.. then.. well.. then.. are there any "mini ring style events" in RV? What about the Moppets? DId we ever really discover who made the moppets or Sir Tatters?Again jsut throwing this out there..<div></div>

[Lonissa]

<div></div>Well, the quest was quick and easy, no new information was added.  I proved that I understand valor, value life and understand faith.  I was hoping there would be mention of the other prophets, but this is really all that was said:<img src="http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7969/valorpm5.jpg">Off to look for more quests <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Emaleth2000 on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:43 PM</span>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:<div></div>Well, the quest was quick and easy, no new information was added.  I proved that I understand valor, value life and understand faith.  I was hoping there would be mention of the other prophets, but this is really all that was said:<img src="http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7969/valorpm5.jpg">Off to look for more quests <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Emaleth2000 on <span class="date_text">07-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">05:43 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>At least he mentions CT, Inny, and RZ.  Hopefully, the other quests will mention teh one we are missing. </div>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:<div></div>Well, the quest was quick and easy, no new information was added.  I proved that I understand valor, value life and understand faith.  I was hoping there would be mention of the other prophets, but this is really all that was said:<img src="http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7969/valorpm5.jpg">Off to look for more quests <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Emaleth2000 on <span class="date_text">07-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:43 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>The dialouge mentions Cazic, Inny, and Rallos.  It's possible that one of the other prophet's text might make passing mention of Storms or Mischief or Sky or whatever and at least give a hint as to who we're looking forEDIT: hehe, oops, posted a bit slow it seems <span>:smileyhappy:</span></div><p>Message Edited by Mirander on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:48 PM</span>

[Evilcow]

<DIV>*nudges the dev's* a hint would be nice...well more hints anyway :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[vinterskugge]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Squallaby wrote:<BR>On the Karana end..<BR><BR>I know Stormhold has been searched.. but has anyone done the "Maelstrom" mini ring event in the zone to see if that triggers anything? Long shot I know.. but worth checking out. If I get on tonight (iffy due to wife being annoyed with me for being on late last night) I''ll go check.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I did that when I was searching Stormhold, nothing.</P>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Tranquility</DIV> <DIV>Valor</DIV> <DIV>Growth</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hate</DIV> <DIV>Fear</DIV> <DIV>War</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fire</DIV> <DIV>Earth</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is what the gods so far all represent - for a third neutral one I'd still say Storms is more likely than Mischief.  Fire and Earth are two of the elements, Storms can represent both Air and Water.</DIV>

[ironman2000]

What about <STRONG>Veeshan</STRONG>, could the prophet be in <STRONG>KoS</STRONG> someplace?  In EQ 1 more than just dragons worshipped her, and she would be neutral I would guess?

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Tranquility</DIV> <DIV>Valor</DIV> <DIV>Growth</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hate</DIV> <DIV>Fear</DIV> <DIV>War</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fire</DIV> <DIV>Earth</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is what the gods so far all represent - for a third neutral one I'd still say Storms is more likely than Mischief.  Fire and Earth are two of the elements, Storms can represent both Air and Water.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Correction:</P> <P>Flame and Underground.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Thats actually a very significant difference from fire and earth, which are Fennin Ro's and The Rathe's domains, respectively.</P>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Flame, Fire, it's all the same thing really - you can expect followers of Sol Ro to be able to call forth fire as their power.  As for Brell, I assume it'll be earthquake-style abilities - all I can think of for underground is a Call of Blackburrow or something useless.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then we can expect Karana's worshippers to be able to call storms and lightning.  I think mischief powers would be much harder to implement.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Solusek Ro is the god of the Sun, actually, and yes, there is still a big difference between fire and flames, and earth and underground caves.</DIV>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<P>IMO It can only be one of 3: Bristlebane, Karana, or Prexus. Veeshan isn't likely at all until we get a playable draconic race (Sarnak is a strong possibility for a playable race in the future, so we might get her eventually) as she is exclusive to draconic beings, and human bards. Ellrosi or whatever her name is is not likely because like her brother, she's a good god. 4 good 2 nuetral and 3 evil would throw off the balance of power. Beritoxx is slightly more likely than Ellrosi because he's a bigger one, however he'd also upset the balance. Zeb is unlikely because of the dozen or so reasons it's not him in the previous posts. I'm also ruling out the elemental gods (E'ci, Povar, Tarew Marr, Fennin Ro, The Rathe, Xegony, ect) because I'm thinking that they'll be introduced in an adventure pack or LU in the future packaged somewhat together. I'm thinking the first 9 will be the most easily recognized Good, Evil, and Nuetral gods. This theory would make sense, because the first 8 that have been found were the 8 most featured in the tome of destiny. This would leave Bertoxx, Bristlebane and Prexus out because I don't remember them even speaking in it, although I have not read it in awhile.</P> <P>Karana is probably the most likely out of the 3. He had a major role in the events of EQ2 and was a fairly important god in EQ1. Bristlebane is close, however he was nearly exclusively worshiped by Rogues and Halflings and really didn't have a major role in the events of EQ2. Prexus could be argued for because he's the god of the sea, the polar opposite of the god of flame (Note that neither Prexus or Solusek Ro are elemental gods).</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Double post.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:21 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The Sarnak are a genetically engineered race created by the Iksar. They don't worship any gods, and certainly not Veeshan.</DIV>

[Wikfizb]

<P>As previously stated in another post, thhere are champions of valor on test that direct you to Bayden in the commonlands,  whats interesting here is that on live servers he is in NQ, but on test you are directed ot the CL.</P> <P>There are also Disciples of Fear in FP that direct you to see Danek in the feerot, again, a move from his live location. (I dont have any test characters that could survive the feerot, so I made no attempt to visit him).</P> <P>I did a quick run through of FP and Qeynos, I could find no other NPCs to direct me to any other prophets, the Innoruuk and Tunare prophets were still were they were last found.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Wikfizbik on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:14 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wikfizbik wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>As previously stated in another post, thhere are champions of valor on test that direct you to Bayden in the commonlands,  whats interesting here is that on live servers he is in NQ, but on test you are directed ot the CL.</p> <p>There are also Disciples of Fear in FP that direct you to see Danek in the feerot, again, a move from his live location. (I dont have any test characters that could survive the feerot, so I made no attempt to visit him).</p> <p>I did a quick run through of FP and Qeynos, I could find no other NPCs to direct me to any other prophets, the Innoruuk and Tunare prophets were still were they were last found.</p> <p>Message Edited by Wikfizbik on <span class="date_text">07-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:14 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Are any of the other prophets giving quests as well, or only Bayden?</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Innoruuk for Freeport, but so far those two are the only ones.</DIV>

[ariasta]

all of this looking for the 9th prophet reminds me of the crazed hunt for the  enchanter epic 2.0 prequest(for those who didnt do thier 1.0) it took forever untill he was found. he was underwater in an area noone realy bothered to go if i remeber correctly <div></div>

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">One correction of an earlier post of yours Cusa, Not all of the Prophets have a routine of hangers on. Sensei Matoko has none. so it is possible the last prophet has none either. Bah, if it is one of the current faves I'll go agnostic, can't stand any of the aspect godlings. </font></font></font><div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<P>From a roleplay perspective, there are several means of getting around the problem of an agnostic recieving divine aid for the sake of not missing out of a game feature.</P> <P>The means by which my main, Renita, recieves divine magic is way, way too complicated to explain in any detail here, but I'll be going into detail on it in a fanfic that I'll be starting over on Travelers Tales soon. It basicaly involves recieving a divine mark (kind of like the mark you steal from the Shadowed Men to trick the Obelisk into letting you in) that allows you to register as a loyal follower to people with spirit sense.</P>

[matinisback]

<DIV>holy [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] people actually read all that crap :smileyvery-happy: j/k i'</DIV>

[Wolfguard6]

Well so far I have struck nothing in my hunt. Bear caves, and tunnel in the water in Antonica by the village out there. sorry for the late post in the process of moving as well. Will look some more in  other odd ball places tonight if I get the time.

[Lonissa]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wikfizbik wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>As previously stated in another post, thhere are champions of valor on test that direct you to Bayden in the commonlands,  whats interesting here is that on live servers he is in NQ, but on test you are directed ot the CL.</p> <p>There are also Disciples of Fear in FP that direct you to see Danek in the feerot, again, a move from his live location. (I dont have any test characters that could survive the feerot, so I made no attempt to visit him).</p> <p>I did a quick run through of FP and Qeynos, I could find no other NPCs to direct me to any other prophets, the Innoruuk and Tunare prophets were still were they were last found.</p> <p>Message Edited by Wikfizbik on <span class="date_text">07-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:14 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I plan on doing this quest today after work.  Ran out of time last night.</div>

[louisepigen]

<DIV>I ran to RoV to take a look and see if there was any new npc but i wasnt lucky  :-/  i think people have been in all the zones now and havent found the last dude so we better start all over again</DIV>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>The Sarnak are a genetically engineered race created by the Iksar. They don't worship any gods, and certainly not Veeshan.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I know, but A lot has changed in 500 years. Hell, I see a ton of Kerra paladins and shadowknights around and they had no god in EQ1, anything is possible because we have not heard a whole lot on the fate of the Sarnak.

[VizP]

<div></div>Im still not convinced Veeshan should be taken out of the list of possibilities simply because my interpretation of the developer comments are these:1/ The prophets will give out quests but they never said every single 'one' of them would. If one of the prophets was for as deity that simply can not be chosen by player characters, they would there fore not give out quests.2/ If Veeshan is the final deity, she may likely not be worshipable but where did it ever say that the deities the prophets represent would ALL be worshipable?3/ The query as to why have Veeshan at all then as the final deity is tied to the possibility of the Awakened storyline and the new expansion which was posted a few pages back. Its just a 'theory' but none the less if it is correct, then Veeshan would be the final deity, would like not be worshipable and the prophet would not be giving quests. 4/ This would be why that prophet is not visible to the populace - its likely a dragon and in a place where PCs are unable to go (at least without dying horrible deaths en mass). So we have this huge thread and big questions.. why leave Bristlebane or Karana as the enigmatic last? They arn't going to wow the populace are they, they're not anymore exciting than the previous eight. However the return of 'the' dragon of dragons to Norrath...Now 'thats' an event. Think about it.. Bristlebane or Karana, the players will be 'meh really... er great, so why make such a big production over these two'. But the revelation that its Veeshan and she wants HER world back for HER children and she is about to take it 'NOW'? Now that is something thatll make everyone sit up and go 'what?!'.<div></div><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:47 AM</span>

[Ordate]

<DIV>While I agree with you that the return of Veeshan should be a oh crap we [Removed for Content] her off and here she comes... I seriously doubt we will see it in this forthcoming expansion.  There is already a lot of ground to cover with some players expecting a terrible amount from the developers.  To fully bring veeshan back you would have to pretty much devote an entire expansion to her return, kerafym, and everything else thats left hanging in KoS.  If it isn't done in such a way, Veeshan returning would be akin to the other two you are quick to dismiss as non-thrillers.  Though I think each god has the ability at this point to cause quite a rumble.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PS:  There is no Veeshan prophet in DT, HoS, etc that I've noticed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PPS: I have this itch in the back of my head that Kerafym won't be happy just taking over Norrath.  I think he wants to be the god of dragons.  As such I think if/when Veeshan does return we'll also be seeing a lot more of kerafym.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Ordate on <SPAN class=date_text>07-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:55 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Ordate on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:59 AM</span>

[Ilucide]

I'm impressed with a lot of the thought going into this, and some people are pretty much right on the money. No, I'm not giving any hints as to who or what!I do want to mention that there will be eight deities that people will be able to worship in Echoes of Faydwer. Many people here already have them correct, but here's a comprehensive list:Good:<ul><li>Mithaniel Marr</li><li>Quellious</li><li>Tunare</li></ul>Neutral:<ul><li>Brell Serilis</li><li>Solusek Ro</li></ul>Evil:<ul><li>Cazic Thule</li><li>Innoruuk</li><li>Rallos Zek</li></ul>The ninth prophet and deity will have much more to do with the unfolding events in Norrath - Zebuxoruk bears much wisdom with respect to events to come. Some prophecies may be difficult to read into without some knowledge of the event in question. Such is the case with the mysterious, I suppose!With how important a character's deity can be to the personality of the character, I know it's important to have the correct information so as not to be disappointed down the road. Having said that, I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised with the effects of worshipping a deity and the role it will play in each player's experience.I wish everyone good luck in the search for wider deific presence on Norrath, especially over the coming months!<div></div>

[DynamicPerforman]

<DIV>If karana is not there I personally will be very unhappy with the choices presented <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been looking everywhere for him, and his followers will be very dissapointed if he dosn't show up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dynamicman out...</DIV>

[Wrapye]

<div></div>I think that narrows it down to Zeb as the ninth prophet and/or Veeshan as the last deity.  In a sense, fortelling her return, Zeb could be a prophet for Veeshan.<div></div><p>Message Edited by sacremon on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:48 PM</span>

[vinterskugge]

So we need to look at Zeb's prophecies again:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Talks about "the end" a lot.  It sounds like some deity is going to destroy/enslave/whatever Norrath, and the gods are returning to stop him/her doing this.<BR>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Looking at it again - it's definitely Veeshan.  She's coming back to take Norrath, and the Nine are coming to stop her.</DIV>

[Ordate]

<P>>>The ninth prophet and deity will have much more to do with the unfolding events in Norrath - Zebuxoruk bears much wisdom with respect to events to come. Some prophecies may be difficult to read into without some knowledge of the event in question. Such is the case with the mysterious, I suppose!<<</P> <P>Ya I read this and went well retract my entire earlier statement!</P> <P> </P>

[Ordate]

<P>>>Looking at it again - it's definitely Veeshan.  She's coming back to take Norrath, and the Nine are coming to stop her.<<</P> <P>Wouldnt Veeshan then be one of the nine... And wouldnt that likely make Kerafym the one they are going to stop?  Or is it the 8 vs. Veeshan</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Ordate on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:00 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>Thanks for the info Ilucide.  One question though.  I recall reading somewhere that people that are part of the 'exile' faction would only be able to worship the neutral gods.  This won't effect me, but them only being able to pick Brell and Solusek seems a bit limiting and probably not fitting with most people's characters<div></div>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>I see Veeshan and Kerafyrm being allied, personally.</DIV>

[Ordate]

The problem I have with the sleeper and Veeshan being allies is that first he has done a lot of things that I would think goes against her will.  Second he has been building up his own worshiper base.  I really think he is going for godhood.  He is already pretty much immortal, hence why he wasnt killed and put to sleep.  Finally if veeshan is dealing with the unraveling of events wouldnt that be better fuel (quest lines) if she was asking mortals to aid in the destruction of an abomination of her kind then allying with it?

[RaphaNissi]

<div></div>Thanks for the post, Ilucide!<div></div>I don't think we should rule out the Obelisk as having something to do with an evil threat to Norrath.<div></div><p>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <span class="date_text">07-26-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:05 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:06 PM</span>

[Wrapye]

<div></div><div></div>I could see the re-emergence of a Behemoth by one of the deities, to assist in the fight against the dragons, as they are described as being able to take out dragon communities by themselves.Zeb says that dragons are on the wane, though they don't know it yet.  Veeshan could be coming back to rally her children to take back Norrath, to be defeated in the end.the 'forbidden two' now sounds much more like Vox and Nagafen, though I wonder where their representative might be...edit:  Deleted false statement.<div></div><p>Message Edited by sacremon on <span class="date_text">07-26-2006</span> <span class="time_text">04:08 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by sacremon on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:39 PM</span>

[Sonnyjim_Grumblestump]

No Bristlebane worship?!? <font color="#ff6600"><b><font size="7">/SOB... </font></b></font>Worst news all month. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Ordate]

<P>>>Kerafym was put to sleep because Veeshan forbade dragons to kill one another.<<</P> <P>He was ordered to be destroyed.  I'll go digging if need be, Im sure someone out there has an easy map to it unlike me who keeps track of lore in their head.</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=15230" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=15230</A></P> <P>Here is one thread with that tidbit of it.  I'm positive I read a more deffinitive cannon somewhere but Im not sure at this time where <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by Ordate on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:14 PM</span>

[CrazedMut]

Some of us still owe Nagafen two favours...and in my opinion there could be a single target raid instance in KoS added with Kerafyrm returning....with either him or Veeshan being the deity. The reason I say this is all the build Kerafyrm has had in the whole of Tier 7, why would SOE NOT deliver him as either a God or a boss in a Raid Zone? Especially since he went to lead the dragons and then disappeared...maybe Veeshan called and together they will attack Norrath.At any rate, I believe Veeshan is somehow involved in all of this.<div></div>

[Etherium]

<DIV>* crosses off another reason to hope for more fun *</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I REALLY wanted to see Bristlebane on that list. </DIV>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Sonnyjim_Grumblestump wrote:No Bristlebane worship?!?<font color="#ff6600"><b><font size="7">/SOB...</font></b></font>Worst news all month. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>Don't worry, there's always the Odus expansion <span>:smileywink:</span></div>

[Glamorie]

No Bristlebane?  *sniffle*  what's a halfling to do?  *cry* <span>:smileysad:</span><div></div>

[Sedden]

<DIV> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <HR> </DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Looking at it again - it's definitely Veeshan.  She's coming back to take Norrath, and the Nine are coming to stop her.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>i tend to agree the first half of it seems to be about Veeshan returning but the second half seems to be about something else.</P> <P>Like the 6th line... Who is this Lord of Darkness.</P> <P>Honestly the months ahead will be really interesting as more of the pieces of this puzzle comes together but for now we can only speculate</P> <P> </P> <P>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</P> <P>This honestly can be the sleeper</P><p>Message Edited by Sedden on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:21 PM</span>

[vinterskugge]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Sedden wrote: <P><BR>i tend to agree the first half of it seems to be about Veeshan returning but the second half seems to be about something else.</P> <P>Like the 6th line... Who is this Lord of Darkness.</P> <P>Honestly the months ahead will be really interesting as more of the pieces of this puzzle comes together but for now we can only speculate</P> <P> </P> <P>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</P> <P>This honestly can be the sleeper</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It's not the sleeper - Kerafyrm is male.</P> <P> </P> <P>As for the Lord of Darkness, I'd guess at Mayong Mistmoore, we know he'll have a prominent role in this expansion - what it is remains to be seen.<BR></P>

[Roewane]

<P>Webster's New World Dictionary, 4th edition, 2003:</P> <P>Profit: 1. advantage, gain 2. financial gain; esp. the sum remaining after deducting costs</P> <P>Prophet: 1. a religious leader regarded as, or claimung to be, divinely inspired 2. one who predicts the future</P> <P> </P> <P>enough said</P> <P> </P>

[Wilin]

Comments in <b>bold</b><blockquote><hr>vinterskugge wrote:So we need to look at Zeb's prophecies again:<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>vinterskugge wrote:<DIV>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV>--><b>The Sleeper?</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV>--><b>Ring of Scale and Claws of Veeshan? (Dragon factions- since the dragons were the ones around at the dawn of time-on Norrath)</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV>--><b>The 8 gods already mentioned + Veeshan</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV>--><b>Zeb gets what he was really after, he becomes a god for helping us defeat the Sleeper?</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV>--><b>I agree with the Mayong Mistmoore theory on this one. He has a part to play, but what?</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV>--><b>Veeshan returns to defeat the Sleeper (the offspring of her offspring)</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV>--><b>Beware Naggy. The orbs are the Orbs mentioned in the Prismatic quest line that Naggy is so interested in finding.</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV>--><b> Tunare</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV>--><b>I'm thinking it's the tablet that was circulated at the Fan Faire. It contains a stone etching of the ancient symbols of the gods. The central symbol representing Veeshan.</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV>--><b>The dragons will be powerless to stop the Sleeper. It will be the mortal races which will have to do it.</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV>--><b>Gnolls have some sort of play going on.</b><DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV>--><b>Lucan plays some part in these events, but what?</b><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Talks about "the end" a lot.  It sounds like some deity is going to destroy/enslave/whatever Norrath, and the gods are returning to stop him/her doing this.<hr></blockquote>The Sleeper is going to wreak havoc and Veeshan is going to return with the other gods to enlist our help in stopping him.<p>Message Edited by Wilin on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:46 PM</span>

[Ordate]

<DIV>Im staring at what Zeb said again...In my mind I think there might be refrence to each of the gods.  Some of its a stretch which I really don't like but here is my thinking.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV>I still think this one refers to Quelious.  She is harmony but now more then ever sounds like chaos is coming with her.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV>The Marr twins.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV>Tunare</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV>Is this refrencing Veeshan's claw marks from the dawn of time? (If they do put a model for Veeshan in, if Im correct it would be the first one ever)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV>Im still thinking this is just a bad refrence for brell and his minions staking their claim in the world just as brell did multiple times.  Another thought, wasn't Brell the first one to put minions on the world after veeshan.  Then he met with rallos tunare and ?(I cant remember) and put more.  Then met with some others and placed even more?  I think Brell might have a fairly big roll to play in the coming time.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV>I still think Naggy, but the part of me that wants to cram the gods into this says Sol Ro</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV>Inny or Cazic?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <DIV>Rallos</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV>?The other that doesnt go with the previous between Inny or Cazic?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV>Dragon stuff</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What bothers me is the good gods fit in well with the descriptions.  The neutral gods fit with a bit of playing.  The evil... what it feels like I had to smash the cube through the round hole with a hammer.  So Im sure thats wrong.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also have this weird idea in my head, this might be lore for the exp after echo's as well.  I'll try to formulate that thought fully and see if it goes somewhere.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Ordate on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:51 PM</span>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#33ccff>Sounds like Veeshan.</FONT></STRONG></P></DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT color=#33ccff><STRONG>Several theories: Freeport and Qeynos, The Tier'Dal and the other Elves, Mithaniel and Erollisi Marr (doubt), The Claws of Veeshan and the Ring of Scale (doubt).</STRONG></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#33ccff>Veeshan could represent Nagafen and Vox.  The dragon god representing a dragon isn't that much of a stretch.</FONT></STRONG></P></DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT color=#33ccff><STRONG>More than likely refering to Nagafen.</STRONG></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#33ccff>Veeshan was the first god to create/deposit life on Norrath. It was her actions that lead the other gods to Norrath. So in essence, Veeshan's allies -- the dragons -- gave rise to the idea for the other gods to create new life on Norrath.  Maybe this will happen again.</FONT></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#33ccff>This could still very well be Tunare, but I'm trying to think outside the box.</FONT></STRONG></P></DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#33ccff>The Roekillik were mining into the Underfoot, the terrority of Brell, looking for something. They were a race that came from "below." Also, didn't the event have a drakota involved with it? </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff><STRONG>Wasn't Kerafrym was the leader of the dragon armies before he became too powerful/unstable? He has risen from the commander of the armies, to the leader/king/god of the race.  </STRONG></FONT><FONT color=#33ccff><STRONG>If Veeshan returns, she could be coming to destroy or reward him. </STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff><STRONG>Personally, I'm going with destroy path; Kerafrym has subverted her worship to his.  She can't be happy about that.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <HR> </DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Coccinea_Maga on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:25 PM</span>

[goldknigh]

Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."Didn't someone post a while back from the eq2 strategy guide. That the Tier'Dal Queen decided to march on the Underfoot during the shattering.<a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=407" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=407</a><div></div>

[Gungo]

<P>My guess with the lore out atm the kerafym will make his return to take over norath and acheive his godhood. With his followers and vox/naggy the forbidden 2. </P> <P>The ninth diety is veeshan who will play a part in rallying the  dragons who are against the kerafym.</P> <P>the obelisk and shadowmen are somehow alived to to Cazic thule and fear, hence the whole meeting of the minds raid and borxx.</P> <P>The gods will not be directly involved in the game, instead certain champions will lead the adventurers in norrath as this will be a fight between norrath and the kerafym and his followers. </P> <P>I wouldn't be surprised if we got to kill Nagafen and a fully empowered rezzed Vox. Culminating in a final epic battle against the Kerafym (I truly hope they make this battle epic when/if it ever comes about.) </P>

[Keno]

you're kidding me? no karana with eof? can i at least get a suicide command then? <div></div>

[Foolsfolly]

Noooo! This is sooo unfair! Bristlebane is the only god for me, I don't want to worship any other =(<div></div>

[Lyriel]

<P>For some reason, after reading the last few pages when I got home from work, I was reminded of an obscure-ish bit of lore from EQ Live. Does anyone recall Esorpa of the Ring? She was a (silver, I think) dragon who sometimes frequented the area around Veeshan's Temple in the Western Wastes. The oddity was that although she was deep in Claws of Veeshan turf, she herself was on Ring of Scale faction and dropped Kunark spells, etc. Rumor had it that she was attempting to reunite the two factions. She also dropped part of a book that was used for a quest, and the dialogue from that quest sounds eerily, eerily familar. I only remember it because I also had an enchanter in EQ Live, so I looked up the old dialogue. Here it is:</P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT></P> <HR> You say, 'hail a gleaming sphere of light'<BR><BR>a gleaming sphere of light says 'I greet thee Phazrael you will have to pardon my demeanour I am afraid that I am not in the best of spirits. Recently yet another brother was taken from us from an evil unknown through the dark art of mind rending.<BR><BR>You say, 'what evil'<BR><BR>a gleaming sphere of light says 'Somewhere there exists a group of outcast phantasmists that use their powers to only harvest true evil. These masters of the mind are of origin that we are yet to uncover for they only exist in ones thoughts. Slowly turning one insane from the horrors that pound through their mind.<BR><BR>You say, 'what outcast phantasmists'<BR><BR>a gleaming sphere of light says 'These outcasts were once believe to be part of our circle before turning to the way of evil and using the mindbending abilities that they possess to take over those who knowledge would benefit them most.<BR><BR>You say, 'what mindbending abilities'<BR><BR>a gleaming sphere of light says 'What these beguilers are capable of is unknown, but what we do know is that as each day passes we are all at risk from an attack that could very well end us. But there is a chance that if we could find the ancient tomes of their weaknesses, this evil could be stopped.<BR><BR>You say, 'what ancient tomes'<BR><BR>a gleaming sphere of light says 'Legend exists that there are two lost tomes that cover the darker sides of Mind control. These tomes were last believed to be possessed by mortals much like yourself that stumbled upon them not knowing what they possessed because they could not understand the unknown code the books are scribed in.<BR><BR>You say, 'what code'<BR><BR>a gleaming sphere of light says 'To prevent those that could not control the powerful abilities that these tomes described how to perform. These tomes were scribed of ancient language that not many could decifer. In search of someone that could assist them these heros fell in the city of giants.<BR><BR>You say, 'What ancient language?'<BR><BR>a gleaming sphere of light says 'As I told you before these books are distinctly coded to only be understood by those that have the abilities to perform and contain these magics. If these tomes were recovered it is very possible that I could decode them and develop an immunity to the mind altering attacks that I feel are upon us.<BR><BR>The tomes are found in the Western Wastes,<BR><BR>1. The First Half of Vin'Pekir's Tome drops off random dragons (like Hechaeva, Glati, Yeldema, Bratavar, etc).<BR><BR>2. I suspect the Second Half of Vin'Pekir's Tome either drops off of dragons in the Sapara brood (Jen Sapara, Mav Sapara, etc) or VT guards.<BR><BR>3. The First Half of Al'Tariquil's Tome is dropped by Harla Dar, who roams near the zone to Siren's Grotto<BR><BR>4. The Second half of Al'Tariquil's Tome drops from Esorpa of the Ring, a static spawn in the scar outside of Veeshan's Temple.<BR><BR>Hand in all four tomes.<BR><BR>a gleaming sphere of light says 'In my hands I hold the teachings of those who gave their lives to produce a defense against the evils of mind control. For what you have done for me I cannot thank you enough; please accept this magical item as a reminder of my gratitude.<BR><BR><FONT size=2></FONT> <HR> <P>The "abilities that they possess to take over those who (sic) knowledge would benefit them most" reminds me of things found/alluded to in the Obelisk.</P> <P>Could the two factions be the two that were cleft in twine in the dawn of time? Could Esorpa be around somewhere, succeeding in trying to unite them? Could that seeming harmony actually result in chaos as those in the dragon factions vie for power themselves? [For that matter, are we positive the monk who represents Quellious is what he seems? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ] Would Veeshan find the possible annihilation of her claimed world compelling enough to come back and join the other gods, presenting a united front between dragonkind and the mortals? Could it be I have had too much caffeine? I am just putting this out there to be chewed over, not really advancing it as a theory or anything. But it looked interesting to me.</P> <P>Lyriel</P><p>Message Edited by Lyriel on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:37 PM</span>

[Ilucide]

Also of note - just because a deity is not listed here for Faydwer does not eliminate the possibility of that deity being added either via live event or future expansion.So Bristlebane & Karana folks, not to worry. <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Diera]

<P>Is there any logical lore reason why Karana, Bertoxxulous and Erollisi are gone? Why did Mithanial return without his sister, for one?</P> <P>Edit: BAHHH! You posted while I was typing. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Well...then not *gone*, but didn't come with the others? I wonder why.</P><p>Message Edited by Diera on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:33 PM</span>

[Lakland]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR>Also of note - just because a deity is not listed here for Faydwer does not eliminate the possibility of that deity being added either via live event or future expansion.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG><EM>So Bristlebane & Karana folks, not to worry. <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR></EM></STRONG></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>This says to me, that they are not going to be introduced with EoF and that it almost solidifies Veeshan as the Ninth. I think she will return as the Ninth after she finds out that it is Kerafrym that is coming to takeover/destroy Norrath. Perhaps the Nine against The Sleeper?<BR><p>Message Edited by Lakland on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:16 PM</span>

[Snapdragyn]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR>I'm impressed with a lot of the thought going into this, and some people are pretty much right on the money. No, I'm not giving any hints as to who or what!<BR><BR>I do want to mention that there will be eight deities that people will be able to worship in Echoes of Faydwer. Many people here already have them correct, but here's a comprehensive list:<BR><BR>Good:<BR> <UL> <LI>Mithaniel Marr</LI> <LI>Quellious</LI> <LI>Tunare</LI></UL><BR>Neutral:<BR> <UL> <LI>Brell Serilis</LI> <LI>Solusek Ro</LI></UL><BR>Evil:<BR> <UL> <LI>Cazic Thule</LI> <LI>Innoruuk</LI> <LI>Rallos Zek</LI></UL>The ninth prophet and deity will have much more to do with the unfolding events in Norrath - Zebuxoruk bears much wisdom with respect to events to come. Some prophecies may be difficult to read into without some knowledge of the event in question. Such is the case with the mysterious, I suppose!<BR><BR>With how important a character's deity can be to the personality of the character, I know it's important to have the correct information so as not to be disappointed down the road. Having said that, I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised with the effects of worshipping a deity and the role it will play in each player's experience.<BR><BR>I wish everyone good luck in the search for wider deific presence on Norrath, especially over the coming months!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>So, 'how important a character's deity can be to the personality of the character....' doesn't translate into having a deity to represent the personality of trickster classes such as swashbuckler or troubadour? Seriously, I look at the list we're given now & see NOTHING for my swash; NO deity that represents his character. Bristlebane would've been great; Erolissi I could've lived with; but um... Mithaniel? Valor, maybe, but honor & all that other crap that goes with it? BLEGH! >p</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Very disappointed. Very. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></DIV>

[Deson]

Since comment has been made on god worship, is it a permanent choice or is it more faction based? If permanent choice will there be an opportuniry to switch gods?If you are leaving plans open for more gods in the future it sounds like god switching will be allowed. Obviously it won't be as easy as respecing and so far indicators sound close to a Maj'dul like questing/faction system but I'd just like something solid to work with. I apologize if this has been definitively answered before and recognize that some details are still being discussed internally.<div></div>