The Nine Prophets

[Keldo]

<div></div>Disappointed that Bristlebane was left out.. rogues, scoundrels and vagabonds everywhere will have to pick some other lesser god ;/edit: maybe they should have a god of 'read both dev posts before you post' instead<div></div><p>Message Edited by Keldoth on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:30 PM</span>

[VizP]

*jumps on a nearby table and begins a dance* <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />So.... question is now guys, just how right is my post from back there? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If it turns out close to the truth, Ill be the one sitting in East Freeport on a table in the tavern doing the 'Chandler' dance from friends. Hehehe.... Veeshan baby, and if the story is close to what I wrote, its one heck of a story and boy am I excited.<div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

How do exiles fit into the diety system? If I wanted to play a conjuror who had Rallos as their god, could I do this by remaining exiled to the Haven?

[VizP]

<div></div><font color="#ffff99">BTW this was my original theory proposed back on page 14/15 for those that dont have the time to trawl through it all and looks like may be gaining a lot of power after dev post <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> :</font>Quote:-----You're right - Veeshan as an entity has little in terms of 'personality' but in a truly colourful and vibrant world, she is the only one it seems that is lacking information and it seems a rather good time to perhaps bring her to centre stage. After all Zeb seems to be warning of a huge change in events.Ever since the Sleeper was awakened, it has been a case of him disappearing and licking his wounds and the four ancients biding their time. Then we begin Everquest 2 around the central event of Luclin shattering and it seems from various quest conversations such as hinted in the prismatic with Nagafen and others that it was indeed Kerafyrm finally hatching the first part of his plan. Hurtling into the moon he brings the devestation 'long' due to Norrath since his 'awakening'.  After that he remains quiet again and one wonders what happened. Then we just 'happen' to see the Droag factions in the Overrealm arguing over his return and the cleansing of Norrath so dragonkin can once more overtake the worlds.Now Zeb seems to indicate that the gods are returning due to the fact that something rather important is imminent that 'requires' their prescence. If you recall the Tome of Destiny, the initial actions by the various deities was to actually seperate and punish the mortals for their actions but certainly not to wipe them out - 'especially' when their own creation were near and dear to them. Thus each god was protective over their own kin and exacted events that best befitted them (well the exception to this is Cazic turning on his creation the ogres for daring to challenge his might.. and rightly so). Once that was done of course an event occured that 'they' surely had not protected and thats Kerafyrm deciding to ram Luclin. But it did pretty much help them because it caused even more 'shattering' of the populace. And so the deities leave to let the mortals think about their mistakes and learn from their actions.That brings us to now and Zeb's return and thus his realisation something very bad is about to happen just happening to coincide with immediate war plans of droags and dragons. If the 'Awakened' is going to return now, he will likely rally all dragonkin and sweep across the lands destroying all the children of the various deities and there is no way that Tunare for example would allow anything to happen to her beloved children and likewise for the others. So they must come to assist the mortals in the new war that may soon start.That brings us nicely round to Veeshan. Now Veeshan started all of this in this way:<font color="#ccffff">'In the beginning of the history of Norrath, Veeshan goddess of Sky flew throughout the cosmos in search of places she deemed fit to place her children, the dragons. Veeshan herself is a crystalline dragon, and a massive one at that, easily half the size of Norrath. As a mark upon the planets she deposited her brood on, she rent great claw marks upon them, marks to other gods that this planet belonged to her and her children. Norrath was no different. Veeshan rent great scars into the frozen continent of Velious, and from these the dragons came forth.'</font><font color="#ccffff"></font>Notice the white words - she marked the planet as 'hers' and for her children. Yet it seems that not only did the other deities 'steal' upon 'her' planet but it seems now her children are about to start the biggest war they have ever been involved in, against all of the other races. If you remember Zeb's words that were recently added in this thread, one hints at Freeport and Qeynos taking sides against a common foe (an interpretation of one of the lines anyway). And it fits in in the whole Awakened + dragonkind vs Lesser races with Norrath as the prize.Now this fight would have been fine if perhaps it would have just occured as that.. likely that the Awakened and his legions would have pretty much taken the planet. But with the deities return, the favour has tipped in the favour of the 'lesser chldren'. After all no matter how powerful the prismatic dragon and his kin, they can't take the might of the panthron. Unless... the mother returns to protect the best interests of her children who should have had this world all along.... and enough is enough?------In answer to why dragonkind would all go behind Kerafyrm again:In lore Kildrukan beneath Kerafyrm would have likely taken over Norrath 'even' though Kildrukan had initially been against this because he became so mesmerised by the prismatic dragon and his power and ambition. So you see even though they fractured at the start, at the end it became a case of both sides wishing the same.. to take over Norrath. The third side now under Lord Yelinak created due to this fracturing by Kerafyrm and Kildrukan still wished to continue the old ways.Yelinak did in fact imprison Kerafyrm to stop this prismatic taking control of all dragonkind and thus regained the beliefs that they had started with but the question is has the mindset of the dragons remained the same? Has it still been a case of 'leave the lesser creatures alone' and just continue our existence - does the same faith in this linger?It seems that the lesser races already brought upon Norrath the rending indicating they cant be trusted with their actions. Perhaps a unification of the dragons is just what is needed. But not under Kerafyrm since of course some dragons still are against him and his followers. But underneath Veeshan who would unite?There is no question - the dragons that followed Yelinak still hate the Awakened and his kind and do not wish 'them' to take control. But are they still so neutral on the thoughts of mortals or has this started shifting? And if not, does dragonkind need a reason to unite? Such as.. Veeshan? Put all these past wars aside and remember where it all started?Perhaps this could be looked at in reverse.. Zeb may not be predicting the revenge of the Awakened, he may be predicting the return of Veeshan. Is HE the ninth prophet?You see he is not indicating what the big change that is coming is. Is the big change Veeshan? And thus by hinting at a big change (and the assumption this 'big' change is Veeshan), HE is the last prophet. And Veeshan's arrival will unite all of dragonkind and the deities will arrive to rally their children?.... oooo... could I be onto something here? The ultimate war begins with the arrival of the first mother and the first prophet Zeb is infact the last prophet because he was talking about Veeshan all along as the reason for the return of the 'Nine' in response? Mothers protecting their children...Question would be then - why Veeshan, why now? Well what has the Awakened been up to? Hes been up to something... after the Rending he crashes into Luclin and causes the shattering and the gods leave. His next plan may have been to attempt to find Veeshan and beg her to come back and reunite her children especially since he saw the war that occured and the result with his imprisonment. If he has found her and convinced her, then it may prompt all of this... return of Kerafyrm, Veeshan and in response the Nine.. Kerafyrm may in response get all he wanted.. power.. if under Veeshan the dragons unite, they may look at Kerafyrm differently for bringing her back and then he may become her first and their leader after all and under Veeshan's guidance strike first. Veeshan gets revenge on the lesser deities for bringing the lesser creatures to Norrath who undoubtably caused much strife, Kerafyrm manages to wrestle into power with an 'alls forgiven, you brought momma back' note and dragons rule the world! Not unless you have a say that is.. which you undoubtably will May result in worshipping Veeshan being awkward as a deity choice and may not even be possible.-----<font color="#ccffff">For those looking for more dragon history I started another thread with some information since I was pretty interested in the lroe which sparked the theory on Veeshan.</font><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:49 PM</span>

[Cyrikk]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Gungo wrote:<div></div><p>My guess with the lore out atm the kerafym will make his return to take over norath and acheive his godhood. With his followers and vox/naggy the forbidden 2.</p><p>The ninth diety is veeshan who will play a part in rallying the  dragons who are against the kerafym.</p><p>the obelisk and shadowmen are somehow alived to to Cazic thule and fear, hence the whole meeting of the minds raid and borxx.</p><p>The gods will not be directly involved in the game, instead certain champions will lead the adventurers in norrath as this will be a fight between norrath and the kerafym and his followers.</p><p>I wouldn't be surprised if we got to kill Nagafen and a fully empowered rezzed Vox. Culminating in a final epic battle against the Kerafym (I truly hope they make this battle epic when/if it ever comes about.) </p><hr></blockquote>I dont see how anyone will be killing Nagafen considering he is at least 30 levels above everyone. Only way I see that happening is if somewhere along the questline you find a way to "Debuff" him or get special encounter specific gear. Then again perhaps the clue Zeb gives about the "Orbs not being as powerful as he would have us think"  has something to do with that. At this point I still think anything is possible. Im still stumped on how Lucan will remain in control of Freeport after losing most of his followers. I feel he will have an important role in EoF of unexpected magnitude. I still get the feeling that the "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end" clue from Zeb is about Lucan. He's gonna have to do something big to keep Freeport together.</div>

[Sedden]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> VizP wrote:<BR> <FONT color=#ffff99>BTW this was my original theory proposed back on page 14/15 for those that dont have the time to trawl through it all and looks like may be gaining a lot of power after dev post <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> :</FONT><BR><BR>Quote:<BR>-----<BR>You're right - Veeshan as an entity has little in terms of 'personality' but in a truly colourful and vibrant world, she is the only one it seems that is lacking information and it seems a rather good time to perhaps bring her to centre stage. After all Zeb seems to be warning of a huge change in events.<BR><BR>Ever since the Sleeper was awakened, it has been a case of him disappearing and licking his wounds and the four ancients biding their time. Then we begin Everquest 2 around the central event of Luclin shattering and it seems from various quest conversations such as hinted in the prismatic with Nagafen and others that it was indeed Kerafyrm finally hatching the first part of his plan. Hurtling into the moon he brings the devestation 'long' due to Norrath since his 'awakening'.  After that he remains quiet again and one wonders what happened. Then we just 'happen' to see the Droag factions in the Overrealm arguing over his return and the cleansing of Norrath so dragonkin can once more overtake the worlds.<BR><BR>Now Zeb seems to indicate that the gods are returning due to the fact that something rather important is imminent that 'requires' their prescence. If you recall the Tome of Destiny, the initial actions by the various deities was to actually seperate and punish the mortals for their actions but certainly not to wipe them out - 'especially' when their own creation were near and dear to them. <U><STRONG>Thus each god was protective over their own kin and exacted events that best befitted them (well the exception to this is Cazic turning on his creation the ogres for daring to challenge his might.. and rightly so).</STRONG> </U>Once that was done of course an event occured that 'they' surely had not protected and thats Kerafyrm deciding to ram Luclin. But it did pretty much help them because it caused even more 'shattering' of the populace. And so the deities leave to let the mortals think about their mistakes and learn from their actions.<BR><BR>That brings us to now and Zeb's return and thus his realisation something very bad is about to happen just happening to coincide with immediate war plans of droags and dragons. If the 'Awakened' is going to return now, he will likely rally all dragonkin and sweep across the lands destroying all the children of the various deities and there is no way that Tunare for example would allow anything to happen to her beloved children and likewise for the others. So they must come to assist the mortals in the new war that may soon start.<BR><BR>That brings us nicely round to Veeshan. Now Veeshan started all of this in this way:<BR><BR><FONT color=#ccffff>'In the beginning of the history of Norrath, Veeshan goddess of Sky flew throughout the cosmos in search of places she deemed fit to place her children, the dragons. Veeshan herself is a crystalline dragon, and a massive one at that, easily half the size of Norrath. As a mark upon the planets she deposited her brood on, she rent great claw marks upon them, marks to other gods that this planet belonged to her and her children. Norrath was no different. Veeshan rent great scars into the frozen continent of Velious, and from these the dragons came forth.'</FONT><FONT color=#ccffff><BR></FONT><BR>Notice the white words - she marked the planet as 'hers' and for her children. Yet it seems that not only did the other deities 'steal' upon 'her' planet but it seems now her children are about to start the biggest war they have ever been involved in, against all of the other races. If you remember Zeb's words that were recently added in this thread, one hints at Freeport and Qeynos taking sides against a common foe (an interpretation of one of the lines anyway). And it fits in in the whole Awakened + dragonkind vs Lesser races with Norrath as the prize.<BR><BR>Now this fight would have been fine if perhaps it would have just occured as that.. likely that the Awakened and his legions would have pretty much taken the planet. But with the deities return, the favour has tipped in the favour of the 'lesser chldren'. After all no matter how powerful the prismatic dragon and his kin, they can't take the might of the panthron. Unless... the mother returns to protect the best interests of her children who should have had this world all along.... and enough is enough?<BR><BR><BR>------<BR>In answer to why dragonkind would all go behind Kerafyrm again:<BR><BR><BR><BR>In lore Kildrukan beneath Kerafyrm would have likely taken over Norrath 'even' though Kildrukan had initially been against this because he became so mesmerised by the prismatic dragon and his power and ambition. So you see even though they fractured at the start, at the end it became a case of both sides wishing the same.. to take over Norrath. The third side now under Lord Yelinak created due to this fracturing by Kerafyrm and Kildrukan still wished to continue the old ways.<BR><BR>Yelinak did in fact imprison Kerafyrm to stop this prismatic taking control of all dragonkind and thus regained the beliefs that they had started with but the question is has the mindset of the dragons remained the same? Has it still been a case of 'leave the lesser creatures alone' and just continue our existence - does the same faith in this linger?<BR><BR>It seems that the lesser races already brought upon Norrath the rending indicating they cant be trusted with their actions. Perhaps a unification of the dragons is just what is needed. But not under Kerafyrm since of course some dragons still are against him and his followers. But underneath Veeshan who would unite?<BR><BR>There is no question - the dragons that followed Yelinak still hate the Awakened and his kind and do not wish 'them' to take control. But are they still so neutral on the thoughts of mortals or has this started shifting? And if not, does dragonkind need a reason to unite? Such as.. Veeshan? Put all these past wars aside and remember where it all started?<BR><BR><BR>Perhaps this could be looked at in reverse.. Zeb may not be predicting the revenge of the Awakened, he may be predicting the return of Veeshan. Is HE the ninth prophet?<BR><BR>You see he is not indicating what the big change that is coming is. Is the big change Veeshan? And thus by hinting at a big change (and the assumption this 'big' change is Veeshan), HE is the last prophet. And Veeshan's arrival will unite all of dragonkind and the deities will arrive to rally their children?<BR><BR><BR>.... oooo... could I be onto something here? The ultimate war begins with the arrival of the first mother and the first prophet Zeb is infact the last prophet because he was talking about Veeshan all along as the reason for the return of the 'Nine' in response? Mothers protecting their children...<BR><BR>Question would be then - why Veeshan, why now? Well what has the Awakened been up to? Hes been up to something... after the Rending he crashes into Luclin and causes the shattering and the gods leave. His next plan may have been to attempt to find Veeshan and beg her to come back and reunite her children especially since he saw the war that occured and the result with his imprisonment. If he has found her and convinced her, then it may prompt all of this... return of Kerafyrm, Veeshan and in response the Nine.. Kerafyrm may in response get all he wanted.. power.. if under Veeshan the dragons unite, they may look at Kerafyrm differently for bringing her back and then he may become her first and their leader after all and under Veeshan's guidance strike first. Veeshan gets revenge on the lesser deities for bringing the lesser creatures to Norrath who undoubtably caused much strife, Kerafyrm manages to wrestle into power with an 'alls forgiven, you brought momma back' note and dragons rule the world! Not unless you have a say that is.. which you undoubtably will May result in worshipping Veeshan being awkward as a deity choice and may not even be possible.<BR><BR>-----<BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#ccffff>For those looking for more dragon history I started another thread with some information since I was pretty interested in the lroe which sparked the theory on Veeshan.<BR></FONT> <P>Message Edited by VizP on <SPAN class=date_text>07-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:49 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>hate to burst your bubble but Cazic didn't create the Orges... Rallos Zek did along with the orcs,goblins, and gaints. Cazic Thule created the Trolls and Iksars<BR>

[Ilucide]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Astralmage wrote:<div></div>How do exiles fit into the diety system? If I wanted to play a conjuror who had Rallos as their god, could I do this by remaining exiled to the Haven?<hr></blockquote>Though it's not set in stone, currently on the table are two options:<ol><li>Exiles may worship any deity they choose. As neither good, nor evil, their path is their own.</li><li>Exiles may worship only neutral deities. Neither good nor evil gods will take them as followers.</li></ol>I'm leaning towards the former.Definitely becoming exiled will not erase your previous deity choice. However your example would fail in one respect: a conjuror (or conjurer depending on your spelling preference <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) is a good class (Qeynos/Kelethin aligned), and Rallos Zek does not accept good followers.Finishing your stay as an exile will very likely result in any deity with opposing alignment refusing to grant the player further powers. <i>Example: The conjurer from the previous example betrays Qeynos as a worshipper of Quellious. She later finishes her exile and becomes an evil citizen of Freeport. As Quellious does not accept evil followers, she refuses to grant the conjurer any new abilities. If the conjurer wished to gain the benefits of worshipping a god/goddess, she would now need to choose a new evil or neutral god. If the conjurer had instead worshipped Solusek Ro while in Qeynos, her deity would still be willing to grant powers to her when she became a citizen of Freeport.</i>As to switching deities, it will be an easy process, though gaining favor and abilities with the new deity will start from scratch. A character can switch deities as often as he or she would like, but all favor with the previous deity is lost during the switch.</div><p>Message Edited by Ilucide on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:08 PM</span>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Who are druids based in Freeport meant to worship?  Karana would seem the obvious choice, none of the available deities really fit.</DIV>

[vinterskugge]

<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV> <HR> <SPAN class=newsbody><EM>Enlightened by recent events on the island of Mara, nine elect<BR>Norrathians have begun a spiritual quest prophesying the return of the<BR>very gods themselves! </EM> <HR> </SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Seeing as it doesn't say each individual would worship a god, it has to be Zebuxoruk as the 9th.  He's definitely prophesying the gods' return, and if anyone was enlightened by the events on Mara, he was.</P>

[Dragonreal]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> How do exiles fit into the diety system? If I wanted to play a conjuror who had Rallos as their god, could I do this by remaining exiled to the Haven?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Though it's not set in stone, currently on the table are two options:<BR> <OL> <LI>Exiles may worship any deity they choose. As neither good, nor evil, their path is their own.</LI> <LI>Exiles may worship only neutral deities. Neither good nor evil gods will take them as followers.</LI></OL>I'm leaning towards the former.<BR><BR>Definately becoming exiled will not erase your previous deity choice. However your example would fail in one respect: a conjuror (or conjurer depending on your spelling preference <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) is a good class (Qeynos/Kelethin aligned), and Rallos Zek does not accept good followers.<BR><BR>Finishing your stay as an exile will very likely result in any deity with opposing alignment refusing to grant the player further powers. <BR><BR><I>Example: The conjurer from the previous example betrays Qeynos as a worshipper of Quellious. She later finishes her exile and becomes an evil citizen of Freeport. As Quellious does not accept evil followers, she refuses to grant the conjurer any new abilities. If the conjurer wished to gain the benefits of worshipping a god/goddess, she would now need to choose a new evil or neutral god. If the conjurer had instead worshipped Solusek Ro while in Qeynos, her deity would still be willing to grant powers to her when she became a citizen of Freeport.</I><BR><BR>As to switching deities, it will be an easy process, though gaining favor and abilities with the new deity will start from scratch. A character can switch deities as often as he or she would like, but all favor with the previous deity is lost during the switch.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>So would that mean that an fp warden (asking about myself specifically here honestly) would be able to go exile and worship tunare since wardens are a neutral class or would I still be restricted because of race? And I don't mean to completely betray.. betrayal is not an option for me at all... I'm fully mastered, fully fabled, the only warden in my guild and they would collectively kick my you-know-what one by one if I even dared think of fully betraying.</P> <P>This is a really big thing for me.. I was HIGHLY disappointed to find that I could not worship tunare when this whole thing started up but I held some hope I would at least get karana.. now even that small hope was shattered so.. I'm really not very happy at all atm. I'm a druid, I want a druid-ish diety to worship and I and a lot of my guildies that I've talked to about this think it's just wrong that there are no druid-ish dieties for fp druids to follow atm.</P> <P>Message Edited by Dragonrealms on <SPAN class=date_text>07-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:16 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Dragonrealms on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:17 PM</span>

[Wrapye]

The "Who are XXXXX class/race going to worship?" questions are kinda pointless, in that there are many classes and some races that won't have real good matches from the starting eight.  Kerrans, Halfling and Gnomes are out of the loop for racial deities.  As far as classes go, I don't see a good match for warlocks, shadowknights, conjurors, illusionists, coercers, FP druids, swashbucklers or bards.  Either wait till a deity that is more to your liking is added, or figure out something that works, though not the best fit. Personally I don't see my dark elf coercer going for Innoruuk, as he turned his back on them, preferring another race instead (the [Removed for Content]).  I would really like Terris-Thule, but I don't know if she would even make a third or fourth round of additions, so will likely go with Cazic-Thule. <div></div>

[Wikfizb]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR><BR>I do want to mention that there will be eight deities that people will be able to worship in Echoes of Faydwer. Many people here already have them correct, but here's a comprehensive list:<BR><BR>Good:<BR> <UL> <LI>Mithaniel Marr</LI> <LI>Quellious</LI> <LI>Tunare</LI></UL><BR>Neutral:<BR> <UL> <LI>Brell Serilis</LI> <LI>Solusek Ro</LI></UL><BR>Evil:<BR> <UL> <LI>Cazic Thule</LI> <LI>Innoruuk</LI> <LI>Rallos Zek</LI></UL> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have a question regarding worship that I have not seen specificly addressed (it probably has been, but I havnt seen it).</P> <P>/* Edit - Looks like my question was answered in the posts following the one I responded to */</P> <P>In the above cases, this is what the dieties will be considered as their personality, but will there be actual restrictions on who will be able to worship them, afterall, just because someone is a citizien of freeport or qeynos, they are not nescessarily the alignment most commonly associated with that town.  For example, an iksar wanting to be a mystic (defiler realy does not seem to fit the eq1 lore of iksar shaman) would be forced to leave freeport to pesue their true calling, but would only do so because the overlord prohibited them from studying the ancient ways not because they have goodness in their heart or have any love of qeynos.  Would such a character be prohibited from worshiping the faceless one?  If town allegiance is a restriction, will there be any exception for clear racial (or class) links to specific gods?  Pledging loyalty to a softskin of ANY kind is not somethign an iksar would do with any sincerity, loyalty to a softskin is only a matter of nescessity until we can reclaim out homeland!</P> <P>((I never re-made my EQ1 shaman in EQ2, beacuse I was disgusted by the thought of having to goto qeynos to be a mystic, but if I were able to make an iksar shaman (grudgingly starting as a defiler) then betray to qeynos to become a mystic, then worship the faceless one, I would seriously consider deleting one of my alts to re-make my shaman.))</P> <P>On the topic of only 8 being worshipable, this probably rules out Karana as the last prophet.  And for halflings to not be able to worship bristlebane if he were the last also makes less sense (however, being so hard to find is very much int he spirit of bristlebane, so I wouldnt completely rule that idea out, but if he is it will disapoint many halflings if he can not be worshiped), so this adds a lot of credibility to the veeshan hypothesis (f the 9th will not be worshipable, then there would not be the same obligation to keep the prophet in the original release zones).</P> <P>Wikfizbik - Conjuror / Jeweler</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Wikfizbik on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:46 PM</span>

[Lonissa]

Regarding current changes on test - Bayden gives a quest.  Danak has moved out of CT and is now in a new cave behind CT<img src="http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5102/eq2000077ry5.jpg"><img src="http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2522/gateoffearym1.jpg">He won't give my monk a quest though...<div></div>

[Jida]

<div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:Regarding current changes on test - Bayden gives a quest.  Danak has moved out of CT and is now in a new cave behind CT<img src="http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5102/eq2000077ry5.jpg"><img src="http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2522/gateoffearym1.jpg">He won't give my monk a quest though...<div></div><hr></blockquote>That is one sweet *** gate</div>

[TerraAki]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Whee! This news makes me excited, as I want one of my characters to worship Veeshan for some reason. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">My opinion on Veeshan's return is that she's coming back to save the non-Kerafyrm worshiping dragons from the prisimatic one. (Yeah, that's the goody-goody person in me) Or, she's even trying to save all of the lesser races as well. Yay!</FONT></DIV>

[Cyanbane]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jida wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Emaleth2000 wrote:Regarding current changes on test - Bayden gives a quest.  Danak has moved out of CT and is now in a new cave behind CT<img src="http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5102/eq2000077ry5.jpg"><img src="http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2522/gateoffearym1.jpg">He won't give my monk a quest though...<div></div><hr></blockquote>That is one sweet *** gate</div><hr></blockquote>I gotta say, when I began this thread I NEVER thought it would lead to something as cool looking as that gate <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Wikfizb]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> How do exiles fit into the diety system? If I wanted to play a conjuror who had Rallos as their god, could I do this by remaining exiled to the Haven?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR><BR>Though it's not set in stone, currently on the table are two options:<BR></DIV> <OL> <LI>Exiles may worship any deity they choose. As neither good, nor evil, their path is their own.</LI> <LI>Exiles may worship only neutral deities. Neither good nor evil gods will take them as followers.</LI></OL> <DIV>I'm leaning towards the former.<BR><BR>Definitely becoming exiled will not erase your previous deity choice. However your example would fail in one respect: a conjuror (or conjurer depending on your spelling preference <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) is a good class (Qeynos/Kelethin aligned), and Rallos Zek does not accept good followers.<BR><BR>Finishing your stay as an exile will very likely result in any deity with opposing alignment refusing to grant the player further powers. <BR></DIV> <DIV>Message Edited by Ilucide on <SPAN class=date_text>07-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:08 PM</SPAN><BR></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Having to live in exile for religious freedom is a fair concept, but I still disagree (and have since release) with the notion of conjurors, mystics, illusionists and swashbucklers being "good".  They are that way for class balance, but if you look at the classes the counterpart to the evil class would be neutral and not good as far as what they represent.  If I recall correctly, the original answer to this was that some classes were split on good/evil (Paladin/SK), and some were split on Order/Chaos (Monk/Bruiser), and there was also the notion of what each leader would allow to still exist in their town (saying Lucan kicked out the conjurors because he felt thretened by their power makes far more sense than calling an elementalist good or evil).  If diety restriction is to be alignment bases, please consider taking a closer look at each class to determine if it would be seen as good, neutral or evil rather than just lumping it with the town you must align with to be that class, or perhaps allow to worship (do the quest lines) but not be granted the benefits while you are an opposing alignment to your god.  Good people can live in freeport (someone wishing to ease the suffering of the poor and disease ridden), and evil people can live in qeynos (someone lookign to take advantage of easy marks), in both cases their loyalty is false, but to say you are either good or evil based on where you call home makes little sense to me.<BR></P> <P>Thanks</P> <P>Wikfizbik - Conjuror / Jeweler</P> <P> </P>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>To the people who's god didn't get in, I wouldn't give up all hope yet, other gods will come in following expansions, that's practically guranteed.  I know most of you won't like this, but if you want to stay true to a particlular diety, your best bet is to just not choose a god yet and wait for them to be added in, or just change gods when the one you want comes out.Now that we know the last god isn't choosable and is there as part of the future storyline, I have a few ideas as to who it may be.  The first option is Veeshan; Zeb says the dragons are in decline, so maybe Veeshan is coming to save her children.  Second could be Kerafrym; perhaps he attained godhood through the faith of his followers in the Overrealm and is returning to wipe out the lesser races.  The last one sort of requires that the devs are including the events of one of EQlive's more recent expansions as EQ2 lore, and is Mayong Mistmoore who became the demi-god of blood.  Zeb seems to make mention of Mayong in his text as returning  <div></div> 

[Lonissa]

I took a few more pictures of the gate while I was there:The eye follows you as you move around the gate<img src="http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/8239/eq2000082zu6.jpg"><img src="http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3766/eq2000086pn1.jpg">There are altars with sacrifices on each side - an Ayr'Dal and a Feir'Dal.<img src="http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6774/eq2000083su0.jpg">There are interesting creatures roaming the cave that I thought were only previously associated with the Obelisk of Lost Souls (but not knowing much about Cazic Thule, I could be wrong).<img src="http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/9540/cavecreaturesmv8.jpg"><div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div></div>You could find those mobs in the Plane of Fear as well.  =)<a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=718" target=_blank>Glare Lord</a><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=721" target=_blank>Samhain</a><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=724" target=_blank>Spinechiller</a><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=724" target=_blank>Amygdalan</a>That is very cool!edited to add picture links<div></div><p>Message Edited by RaphaNissi on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:20 PM</span>

[illy586]

<P>Yup, all those mobs are from the Plain of Fear. </P> <P>My guess is thats the portal to the Plain of Fear:smileyhappy:.</P>

[hahn_ba]

<DIV>The only thing that bothers me about all of this is the "Lord of Darkness" part. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mayong always had a hard-on for the erradication of the dragons. Ever since day one, killing bards gave you -Ring of Scale and +Mayong Mistmoore. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe Kerafyrm and Mayong have teamed up? What kind of crazy madness that would be, I don't know, but holy crap. It would almost make sense - Kerafyrm probably (and arrogantly) thinks he can use Mayong to dispatch the mortal races, at which point the God's step in. Mayong somehow gets the upper-hand, and that's where Veeshan steps in. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That'd be a soap-opera worthy storyline too!</DIV>

[kyrr]

I know I may get smacked around for this but,  I don't think anyone should be gloating or crying over the last prophet. We've yet to get a confirmation of any sort, either in game or on this thread.

[Bubbanif]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>sacremon wrote:The "Who are XXXXX class/race going to worship?" questions are kinda pointless, in that there are many classes and some races that won't have real good matches from the starting eight.  Kerrans, Halfling and <font color="#cc0033">Gnomes are out of the loop for racial deities</font>.  As far as classes go, I don't see a good match for warlocks, shadowknights, conjurors, illusionists, coercers, FP druids, swashbucklers or bards.  Either wait till a deity that is more to your liking is added, or figure out something that works, though not the best fit.Personally I don't see my dark elf coercer going for Innoruuk, as he turned his back on them, preferring another race instead (the [Removed for Content]).  I would really like Terris-Thule, but I don't know if she would even make a third or fourth round of additions, so will likely go with Cazic-Thule.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I wanted to point out that the highlighted part is false Gnomes racial deity is Brell; he created the Dwarves, Gnomes, Ratongas, and Gnolls.  I was pretty happy when I saw that Brell was gonna be one of the nine deities because he was the only logical choice for my Gnome illusionist. As to the screenshot of the gate in the Feerrott that is one sweet looking gate but at the same time I go into state of utter terror from flashbacks of breaking into the plane of fear in EQLive /shutters at the memories of corpse runs from trying to break into Plane of Fear.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Oh man. I feel ashamed. I leave this thread for half a day and suddently I'm 50 posts behind.</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR>T_T;;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways. IN MY OPPINION, Poor choice of putting Zeb as the 3rd Neutral Diety and the 9th Prophet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since he's not a god of influence, what does he have to offer in the same way that worshipping Peace, Fear, Hate, Valor, War, Underground, Growth, or Flame can provide?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What does and Ungod have to provide other than cryptic messages of what may or may not happen?</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:07 PM</span>

[Wrapye]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <div>Oh man. I feel ashamed. I leave this thread for half a day and suddently I'm 50 posts behind.</div> <div>T_T;;</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Anyways. IN MY OPPINION, Poor choice of putting Zeb as the 3rd Neutral Diety and the 9th Prophet.</div> <div> </div> <div>Since he's not a god of influence, what does he have to offer in the same way that worshipping Peace, Fear, Hate, Valor, War, Underground, Growth, or Flame can provide?</div> <div> </div> <div>What does and Ungod have to provide other than cryptic messages of what may or may not happen?</div><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class="date_text">07-26-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:07 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote> Seeing as he can't be worshipped (see Illucide's post about only eight of the nine are able to be worshipped) it is a moot point as far as that is concerned. Besides, there is still the very real possibility that Veeshan is the ninth, not Zeb <div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Oh yes. Nice to see the Portal of Fear is activating itself again, but I don't wanna see that as any incentive to go back to the planes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(as for the Eye thing. Its a 2D image put in the 3D environement. the eyes in the Temple follow your movements too because there's nothing 3D to see about them.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sacremon wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Oh man. I feel ashamed. I leave this thread for half a day and suddently I'm 50 posts behind.</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR>T_T;;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways. IN MY OPPINION, Poor choice of putting Zeb as the 3rd Neutral Diety and the 9th Prophet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since he's not a god of influence, what does he have to offer in the same way that worshipping Peace, Fear, Hate, Valor, War, Underground, Growth, or Flame can provide?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What does and Ungod have to provide other than cryptic messages of what may or may not happen?</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <SPAN class=date_text>07-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:07 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Seeing as he can't be worshipped (see Illucide's post about only eight of the nine are able to be worshipped) <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ahh. Saw that post, but didn't see that detail. Ok then.

[Xyran]

In EQ Live Bards could worship almost any god.  (I think Rallos, Innoruuk, Cazic, and Bertox were the only gods a Bard could not worship) Although most went with either Agnostic, Veeshan, or Solusek.  So yes there is a viable choice of diety for bard. And your making a very big jump in conclusions as to what sort of benefits worshiping the different gods gives you, to assume there is no good choice for *insert class here*.  Wait untill the say what gods give what benefits before choosing one rather running around saying that the choices suck because the god you want isnt amoung the immediate selection.  <div></div>

[hahn_ba]

EQ1 bards could worship every god, I think. I know Rallos for sure.

[Zabjade]

<blockquote><hr>Ilucide wrote:I'm impressed with a lot of the thought going into this, and some people are pretty much right on the money. No, I'm not giving any hints as to who or what! <font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Not mine likely <span>:smileysad:</span> [snip]</font></font></font>The ninth prophet and deity will have much more to do with the unfolding events in Norrath - Zebuxoruk bears much wisdom with respect to events to come. Some prophecies may be difficult to read into without some knowledge of the event in question. Such is the case with the mysterious, I suppose!With how important a character's deity can be to the personality of the character, I know it's important to have the correct information so as not to be disappointed down the road. Having said that, I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised with the effects of worshipping a deity and the role it will play in each player's experience. <font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">I likely won't be pleasenly suprised...since The Nameless never made the EQ1 long list and doesn't seem to be on the EQ2 Short list, I'll likely end up Agnostic, and no diety quest for me. Brell is good for a Kegger, but I wouldn't worship him, the rest don't even rate the party invite. </font></font></font>I wish everyone good luck in the search for wider deific presence on Norrath, especially over the coming months! <font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">No point for me. <span>:smileysad:</span></font></font></font><div></div><hr></blockquote><div></div>

[Ordate]

<P>I'm just curious why you can't adapt to the gods that are allowed since the Nameless is not?  My two gods of choice (Karana and Tribunal) are not making the list at this time.  But given the list that we do have, I'm already making plans and thinking why would my character worship each of these gods.  I'm coming up with multiple reasons for each god as I dwell upon it.  The only concern I have is if I am more or less forced to a specific god.  Say if Rodcet Nife(not a god currently available I know) was to give characters big increases on heals, I would in truth end up worshipping that god even though I don't truthfully care for the lore too much of him.</P>

[Wolfguard6]

<P>Ok this is a hypothetical question to all. </P> <P> </P> <P>So if I was a berserker ogre that went over to Qeyons (shudders the thought). I'm not allowed to Worship Rallos Zek, or as they have stated he will not accept me as a follower?</P> <P>  Has one ever thought having no gods/ and goddess for 500 year one's may lose faith, but in light of events come back to call. Now I know I going to hear well you be looked upon by Rallos as being weak for going over to Qeynos, but to this I say. </P> <P>You where in the dark, and thought the stronger city as Qeynos so the logical choice would be to go to the stronger city, and fight for them. So how would this make you tied to a certain set of good gods even thou. Your thoughts would have you think your on the stronger side. So in doing this you are following the ideals of Rallos Zek </P> <P>The followers of Rallos Zek, the Warlord, believe in survival of the strong and death to the weak.The heart of a true follower of Zek yearns for strength, courage, but above all, victory. They believe that the heat of battle is the only place and time where enlightenment can be gained, that the universe was formed by conflict and in conflict it will end, with the victors feasting upon the remains of their fallen enemy. No respect or regard is given to the dead, for if they were worthy their hearts would still pump blood through their veins and not upon the soil of Norrath. The followers of Zek are almost exclusively <FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>warriors</STRONG></FONT>.</P> <P>I honestly think there is no love to a fallen Freeportain if a Qeynosain has slain him/her.</P> <P> I sorry I killed you. thou maybe a silly paladin may do this. stupid Ideals of valor.</P> <P>Right there like good riddens one less Freeporter to deal with. </P> <P>So now Rallos is going to reject me for my thinking the city I went to is stronger. Just seems really odd. Choice of worship is based on your city. Not what your adventure class is. </P> <P>Druids in Freeport can't worship Tunare. </P> <P>Sad day for my little alt warden. Has to be come a exile to do this. Bah thou this one hard to really place I don't know of any evil Deities that a healer of nature would follow.  Now a fury could be Karana and still be Fp that would make some sence. Warden thou that is a hard one, and kind of makes sence going to Q or Ex system to do this. Still what a pain and why can't I worship her once again my thinking is I beleave my side is right there for I heal and ask for these powers to heal my friends in battle. So now I have to change teams to worship. Ok this may cause problem with in a group. But to be honest when your being healed and your butt is in the fire do you really care what power from above am I calling upon to heal ya. I think not. </P> <P> But I really hope they reconsider having classes base your worship choices, and not the city your faction is within lines of good or evil. You maybe on the good side, but still beleave in the call of Rallos Zek. Your fighting for what you beleave to be the stronger side. If you fall then yes you where mistaken. and yes you were weak. but how does by default going to a good city make you weak. </P> <P>/hypotheticaloff</P> <P>I glad my main stayed in Freeport atleast now I know. I can  stay with Rallos Zek.  An ogre worshiping Quellious LOL that be a good one. Thou if one changed sides, and beleave in that horse pucky. Then by all means meet my blade. I think you will really enjoy it. </P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> hahn_bard wrote:<BR> EQ1 bards could worship every god, I think. I know Rallos for sure.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>They couldn't worship Cazic, Innoruuk, or Bertoxxulous.<BR>

[Wrapye]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Wolfguard6 wrote:<div></div> <p>Ok this is a hypothetical question to all. </p> <p>So if I was a berserker ogre that went over to Qeyons (shudders the thought). I'm not allowed to Worship Rallos Zek, or as they have stated he will not accept me as a follower?</p><hr></blockquote>Of the ones available to such a character, the personality of Solusek Ro might be attractive, even if his sphere of influence (sorry for the D&D 3rd ed. reference) might not be a best match.  Solusek Ro is definitely aggressive, and is in no way constrained by 'valor' in his actions.</div><p>Message Edited by sacremon on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:37 AM</span>

[vinterskugge]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways. IN MY OPPINION, Poor choice of putting Zeb as the 3rd Neutral Diety and the 9th Prophet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since he's not a god of influence, what does he have to offer in the same way that worshipping Peace, Fear, Hate, Valor, War, Underground, Growth, or Flame can provide?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>They never actually said each of the prophets would be the worshipper of a deity.  Zeb's prophecies are about the return of the gods in general, so he's a prophet and not a deity.</P> <P>I'm pretty sure Veeshan is the ninth and due to the lore which hasn't released yet will be exclusive to dragonkind, which is why she doesn't have a prophet. </P>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>When I try and think what The End will be, I keep thinking of Ragnarök - the Norse final battle.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It was a battle with the Æsir (the principle Viking gods, led by Odin) on one side and the giants, led by Loki, on the other.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The End could be the Nine (the principle EQ2 gods, led by Rallos?) on one side and the dragons, led by Kerafyrm, on the other.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnarok" target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnarok</A> has more information on it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Straylig]

Crap crap crap.I'm a Dark Elf Wizard that lives in Qeynos. As much as I'd love to worship Innoruuk, it looks like I'm probably stuck with Solusek Ro. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Wilin]

<blockquote><hr>sacremon wrote:The "Who are XXXXX class/race going to worship?" questions are kindapointless, in that there are many classes and some races that won'thave real good matches from the starting eight.  Kerrans, Halflingand Gnomes are out of the loop for racial deities.  As far asclasses go, I don't see a good match for warlocks, shadowknights,conjurors, illusionists, coercers, FP druids, swashbucklers orbards.  Either wait till a deity that is more to your liking isadded, or figure out something that works, though not the best fit.Personally I don't see my dark elf coercer going for Innoruuk, as heturned his back on them, preferring another race instead (the[Removed for Content]).  I would really like Terris-Thule, but I don't know ifshe would even make a third or fourth round of additions, so willlikely go with Cazic-Thule.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Remembering that deity worship in EQ1 was based on race and class, there are some viable options for some of these.gnomes: As someone else already said, gnomes worship Brell, Brell is neutral and gnomes can be from either city, so they are covered.halflings: I think all halflings could worship Brell. There were other options based on class.warlocks: Inny, Cazic, Sol Ro are reasonableShadowknights: Inny, Cazic, Rallos (FP SKs had to choose Inny, Qeynos SKs had to choose Bertox, Cabilis SKs had to choose Cazic)Conjurors: Sol Ro,TunareIllusionists: Sol Ro, Tunare, QuelliousCoercers: Sol Ro, Inny, CazicFP druids: this might be the tricky one with no clear choice. Consult your racial deity options <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Swashbucklers: Tunare, MarrBards: Quellious, Tunare, Marr, Sol Ro, Rallos, Cazic, etc.Keeping in mind that a gnome SK would be reasonable to select Brell, Inny, Cazic, or Rallos.

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sacremon wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Of the ones available to such a character, the personality of Solusek Ro might be attractive, even if his sphere of influence (sorry for the D&D 3rd ed. reference) might not be a best match.  Solusek Ro is definitely aggressive, and is in no way constrained by 'valor' in his actions.<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <P>Message Edited by sacremon on <SPAN class=date_text>07-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:37 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This is a possibllity. I do not rule that out. but will a ogre go againsit his very creator. The answer to this is some will, and some will not. They may feel he turned his back on them. When in fact all the god/goddess did. So why beleave in any? </P> <P>I would say this be a ok match like you have stated. I just wish I know some more about Solusek Ro besides he is son of Fennin Ro. He is allied with no one, enemies with no one. He has a friendly rivalry with Mithaniel Marr, and yes I know what his Avator looks like about the only info I can find on him.  </P> <P>Another problem I seeing now is the well there talking about exiles can only worship Neutral deities. I know this is not in stone but let look if this becomes the outcome.</P> <P>Ok would this not say. You leave the city your alined to now you don't want to go to the other. You worship Rallos now you go into exile, and your saying because I left I am now weak and not worthly to worship you. Does this not show your strong for going out and taking the world by the horns. You have to prove your strong to make it with out a city alginment come now. How in the H E double hockeysticks. Does this make you a weak person. </P> <P>Ok I throw this to the good side as well. </P> <P>Quellious<STRONG><FONT color=#ffd700>The Tranquil </FONT></STRONG></P> <P>This peaceful child-goddess is allied with Rodcet Nife and Erollisi Marr, and an enemy to Rallos Zek and Innoruuk. Followers of Quellious the Tranquil seek peace. They are not strict pacifists, though, and will fight to defend themselves and their loved ones. <FONT color=#ff0000>The peace they seek is an inner one</FONT>. <FONT color=#ff0000>They wish to know all there is to know about themselves and the world around them. They thirst for knowledge of their true selves and strive to help others attain enlightenment</FONT>. <FONT color=#ff0000>It is through the sharing of this knowledge that they believe universal peace can be obtained</FONT>. If every creature fully understood itself and its neighbors there would be no need for conflict and war. <FONT color=#ff0000>Followers of Quellious often follow a nomadic lifestyle, constantly seeking what there is to know and hoping to find themselves along the way.</FONT></P> <P>Point here why would one not want to seek Exile to Learn true Tranquility. </P> <P>This is all hypothetical thou I am a ogre living in Freeport. </P> <P>Looking very forward to all this I play Ghum as if Rallos Zek never left in the 1st place, and yet they say I am not the prophet of Rallos Zek. I can see where this limitation of alignments are going to to throw some char. backaround off a bit. You may find a Dark Elf worshiping Quellious  it boils down to this they have been gone for 500 years. Now there coming back its should be up to all who they want to beleave in, and not based apon weather or Good, Evil, Or Exile city status. And there are some I can see that it would be limited to as SK I really don't think Mithaniel Marr would care for a SK on his side.</P> <P> So in all I think this is really going to shake things up in Norrath. I promise I am done with all this Hypothetical stuff its just food for thought, and makes you think about things.  Are the god/goddess really clearly defined in good and evil. Yes because we are told this, but you never no there could be a sk out there that is Lawful evil by class  and is that not Valor for the side of evil. So would this not fit Mithaniel Marr. Spreading the truth of how evil the world really is. I know this point is really out there. but after all these years without the deities in place. So off the wall choices could be out there. Instead of a limit to good, evil, neutrul.<BR></P>

[Aaraminn]

<DIV>I have been following this board for quite a while, and thought to pipe up now. I am not sure what role Veeshan has to play, but I think she will be the 9th god, with Zeb being the 9th prophet. Remembering how the gods looked in EQ1 (very large), they should make for nice looking mobs when they show up. However, if Veeshan is as big as noted in the lore (as big as half of Norrath), it would seem as if she would be a "heard and not seen" god, unless they are going to have her fill the sky. Then again, she could choose some type of avatar to make her presence known.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways, from the what has been previously noted by the devs (thanks Illucide), we will be able to get powers from the gods. Here is an idea for a plotline that I have been mulling. Veeshan or Kerafyrm makes a return to Norrath. Perhaps one of them, perhaps both, still not sure about that part. Anyways, the remaining gods band together to defeat heshethem, but find they cannot do it themselves. So they say, "The mortals once breached our realms and threatened us on their own. If we were to imbue them with some of our powers, they could assist with this new dragon threat!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We then assist with whatever they need. This could be an ongoing storyline, through several expansions (not sure what role EoF would play), thereby keeping the gods around for the ongoing struggle against the dragons and their minions, with alliances formed and broken, all kinds of drama, things like that. Well, it was just a thought on my part. I have always been a casual observer of the lore through my EQ1 and EQ2 days, so I may have missed some details and got my facts a bit mixed up, but I find it interesting, if a bit confusing, so I thought I could add my opinion.</DIV>

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Straylight wrote:<BR>Crap crap crap.<BR><BR>I'm a Dark Elf Wizard that lives in Qeynos. As much as I'd love to worship Innoruuk, it looks like I'm probably stuck with Solusek Ro. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ok this is my point excattly Dark Elf has not lost faith in Innoruuk, but do to the fact and sad fact you now live in Qeynos your stuck taking a Good deitie or a Neutral one. Blah. Leave up to who they follow based on class/race not limit the choices. maybe the class now for there are only 8, but when the other come back sometime make it race as well.

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wolfguard6 wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Straylight wrote:Crap crap crap.I'm a Dark Elf Wizard that lives in Qeynos. As much as I'd love to worship Innoruuk, it looks like I'm probably stuck with Solusek Ro. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <hr> </blockquote>Ok this is my point excattly Dark Elf has not lost faith in Innoruuk, but do to the fact and sad fact you now live in Qeynos your stuck taking a Good deitie or a Neutral one. Blah. Leave up to who they follow based on class/race not limit the choices. maybe the class now for there are only 8, but when the other come back sometime make it race as well.<hr></blockquote>It just doesn't make sense to me that someone in Qeynos would even desire to worship Inny or the other evil gods (roleplying a spy excluded).  If you read the whole betrayal quest you ABANDONED the evil ways of Freeport because you believed that the loving way of Qeynos was the true path.  Why should your evil god not abandon you for abandoning him/her?  Qeynos is about trying to save the poor lost souls of Freeport.  Hate has no place there.  IMHO, people are getting upset because they have put their own twist on the game.  The developers can't make the game based on thousands of different twists that we gamers have taken the liberty to add in our minds.  If you feel so strongly about worshipping a specific god and their ideals then follow the city whose ideals match.  That's probably why they opened up the betrayal to all levels. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Tanatz]

<div></div>This discussion should probably be left for another thread altogether but...I hope the devs see how foolish it is to have your deity be limited by the town you choose to live in.i.e.  Why does a Dark Elf Wizard residing in Qeynos necessarily have to abandon his love of Hatred just because he lives in Qeynos?  Can't he still hate Freeport / Freeportians / Lucan?Also, my main is a Half Elf Troubador and I'd love for her to follow Quellious, as she's always been my favorite God.  Why does the fact that my Troubador lives in Freeport mean that I can in no way adhere to the beliefs of the search for inner peace?<div></div><p>Message Edited by Tanatz on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:26 AM</span>

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV>The Solusek Ro Herald conversation, if anyone is interested.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> You say, "Hail, Civean Il'Pernod"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Civean Il'Pernod says to you,"From the temple of fire and ash have I come to spread the word of Flame and to find his true followers."<BR>You say to Civean Il'Pernod,"Who are you?"<BR>Civean Il'Pernod says to you,"I am Civean Il'Pernod, I am the Oracle of Flames, and I am the mouthpiece through which the word of the Flame will be brought once again to this world.  The time draws nigh that his faithful will be assembled and true worship of the Burning Prince will begin again."<BR>You say to Civean Il'Pernod,"Who is the Flame?"<BR>Civean Il'Pernod says to you,"Poor, poor child.  To not know that the Flame is the Burning Prince, the lord and master of the arcane, Solusek Ro, is either a sign of gross ignorance or a rhetorical jest of the infidel.  Let us pray it is the former for the latter will see you consumed in the purifying fires of my god."<BR>You say to Civean Il'Pernod,"What purifying fires are you talking about?"<BR>Civean Il'Pernod says to you,"The Burning Prince's influence and guidance will soon descend upon us once again.  His faithful followers will be strengthened and I will lead them to a New Dawn of his reign over this world.  The impurities will be burned away while Solusek Ro's devoted disciples are rewarded and blessed."<BR>You say to Civean Il'Pernod,"All of that fire sounds dangerous."<BR>Civean Il'Pernod says to you,"Do not fear the fire.  It protects the weak and lights the night.  It warms the cold and comforts weary.  It feeds the hungry and forges the tools.  Embrace the Flames and you will understand that service to Solusek Ro is the greatest fulfillment of your life."</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>You say to Civean Il'Pernod,"Why are you here?"<BR>Civean Il'Pernod says to you,"This temple has been my abode and my academy for the entire expanse of my life.  My progenitors brought me here after witnessing an omen.  Tazgar the Efreeti has been my instructor and guardian for the entirety of my existence. "<BR>You say to Civean Il'Pernod,"What omen did they see?"<BR>Civean Il'Pernoda says to you,"Many claim that the cradle of my birth burst into flames the moment I was placed upon it.  The facilitators of my birth were wise enough to comprehend the omen and left me in the care of Tazgar.  It was wise of them to do so for the Burning Prince required an oracle and so I was prepared."<BR>You say to Civean Il'Pernod,"What happened to your parents?"<BR>Civean Il'Pernod says to you,"Their dying act was to place me upon this temple's steps.  Simply put, the journey was too much for them."<BR>You say to Civean Il'Pernod,"Aren't you sad that you've never met them?"<BR>Civean Il'Pernoda says to you,"No, should I be?  The Burning Prince is my father, this temple my mother.  I do not mourn the loss of those that simply birthed me.  If not them then it would have been others."<BR>You say to Civean Il'Pernod,"I see...  Goodbye." <HR> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:14 AM</span>

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote: <DIV>It just doesn't make sense to me that someone in Qeynos would even desire to worship Inny or the other evil gods (roleplying a spy excluded).  If you read the whole betrayal quest you ABANDONED the evil ways of Freeport because you believed that the loving way of Qeynos was the true path.  Why should your evil god not abandon you for abandoning him/her?  Qeynos is about trying to save the poor lost souls of Freeport.  Hate has no place there.  IMHO, people are getting upset because they have put their own twist on the game.  The developers can't make the game based on thousands of different twists that we gamers have taken the liberty to add in our minds.  If you feel so strongly about worshipping a specific god and their ideals then follow the city whose ideals match.  That's probably why they opened up the betrayal to all levels. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hypothetically is all I ment by my statements, But I can now see they are real for some players.</P> <P>Yes Freeport does have Evil ways now thats for humm can you say Overlord Lucan and his riegn. One may not take to kindly to him there for leaving his city, But now the deties are come back ,and old legends of the god/ goddess are about. The faith of some of the followers may come back to them have the dust blow off and some spark may come to mind, and yes you have a Dark Elf who will worship Inny in Qeyons.</P> <P>Also so may say you left us before now I leave you, and worship some other deity.</P> <P>Final note why does a cities way dictate who we can worship. This should not have anyplay in who does what, and for who. I could see this if your class limtations. That would not make some sence. I don't see a Necro praising Tunare.</P> <P>The betrayal penitalies are so harsh now that you lose Master spells you have in place even if you are staying the same class. In this they are forcing chosse your posion. Be with a deity you do not care for, or betray and have to get  combat arts, and spells back to master lvl. I would have to go with the 1st choice I would not want to have all app1 or 2 for my lvl 67 zerker. Ok I promise I am really done now.  :smileywink:</P>

[Kenazeer]

<DIV>I wonder what came out of the moon (if anything) during The Shattering:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffff00 size=3>She smiled faintly as she stared straight ahead with sightless eyes. "The moon was so clear. It was alive with energy flowing through every part of it. Then it was as if something in the center broke loose and leapt outward, like a bird of prey hatching from an egg. I couldn't turn away. It was so beautiful." </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffff00 size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffff00 size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT></FONT></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT></FONT></FONT> </P></DIV>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Oh man. I feel ashamed. I leave this thread for half a day and suddently I'm 50 posts behind.</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR>T_T;;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways. IN MY OPPINION, Poor choice of putting Zeb as the 3rd Neutral Diety and the 9th Prophet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since he's not a god of influence, what does he have to offer in the same way that worshipping Peace, Fear, Hate, Valor, War, Underground, Growth, or Flame can provide?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What does and Ungod have to provide other than cryptic messages of what may or may not happen?</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <SPAN class=date_text>07-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:07 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Chaos?

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR>Also of note - just because a deity is not listed here for Faydwer does not eliminate the possibility of that deity being added either via live event or future expansion.<BR><BR>So Bristlebane & Karana folks, not to worry. <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Still doesn't tell us if its Veeshan or Zeb.</P> <P>And no mention of Rodcet, Bertox, Prexus</P>

[Wrapye]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wolfguard6 wrote:<p>Final note why does a cities way dictate who we can worship. This should not have anyplay in who does what, and for who. I could see this if your class limtations. That would not make some sence. I don't see a Necro praising Tunare.</p><hr></blockquote>I recall recently in RL of a muslim who converted to christianity in a heavily Islamic country (I think it was Afghanistan).  He was arrested and was facing being executed for doing so.  With international pressure, he was allowed to leave the country.In a world where the forces of good and evil are far more evident (seeing avatars of the gods themselves, characters with powers bestowed by the gods) I have to imagine that worshipping a deity that the city leaders oppose would have repercussions at least as severe.</div>

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kenazeer wrote:<BR> <DIV>I wonder what came out of the moon (if anything) during The Shattering:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffff00 size=3>She smiled faintly as she stared straight ahead with sightless eyes. "The moon was so clear. It was alive with energy flowing through every part of it. Then it was as if something in the center broke loose and leapt outward, like a bird of prey hatching from an egg. I couldn't turn away. It was so beautiful." </FONT><BR></P> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I would have to say I really bright flash of light. From the explostion that took place there. And the way it was described here is how she seen it before being blinded from the flash. its a nice descriptive way to tell the death Luclin.</P> <P><EM>By all the gods!” Ayenden hissed. “Those are the servants of Solusek Ro. And they seem to be carrying a massive gem of some sort with them.” </EM></P> <P>This is probably a arcane kind of bomb it was at the Nexus it was in the center or Luclin. Set to go off sometime, or when Solusek Ro thought it a good idea.<BR></P>

[s]

<DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Throwing in some fresh thoughts here:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Could (any of) this be about the Nizari? When doing the Rift quest the books mentioned the Nizari hiding in the dark, behind a mirror. They will strike back it says. It also mentions them having someone amongst them that could possibly teach them the divine language, the avatar of All-Seeing... not a clue who that could be.</DIV></DIV>

[Renita_Serafim]

Just a thought - doesn't trying to activate a Doomsday Device like Solusek Ro place you firmly in the "evil" category?<p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:44 AM</span>

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sacremon wrote: <DIV><BR>I recall recently in RL of a muslim who converted to christianity in a heavily Islamic country (I think it was Afghanistan).  He was arrested and was facing being executed for doing so.  With international pressure, he was allowed to leave the country.<BR><BR>In a world where the forces of good and evil are far more evident (seeing avatars of the gods themselves, characters with powers bestowed by the gods) I have to imagine that worshipping a deity that the city leaders oppose would have repercussions at least as severe.</DIV> <P><BR></P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Yes I know this happens in the RL.  thats been going on now for about 4000+ years in that area of the world and as you can tell by the latest new still is. </P> <P> </P> <P> But here the kicker I don't see Lucan letting people beleave in any other deity in his city. Reason he himself see himself as one. He has show no real sidings with any of them, and defies them. Now yes somewhere I am sure there is one out there that gives him is power but thats not out yet. Now we one prophet probclaim he does not care. What gives? </P> <P> Also Would Qeyons the lovely ways of this city not care what you worship in doing so they are in fact commiting evil and injustice to a someone.  Ah the trails of who is right and wrong when it comes to matters of worship.<BR></P> <P>Yes you can leave a city and find safety in one. But for some people its going to be well crap now I have to betray to my deity, and not the city. And I lose all my hard work to devolop this char. going to grif some people too where they say well I can't chosse the deity I wanted do to I live here. Yes leave a city has it bad points.</P> <P>But I bet if you ask this RL person he would have liked to stay in his home country. Memories are there not to say other things that make it home.</P> <P>Yet he is probably thankful to be out of it aswell. So yes I can see your point in this. I am not really arguing the fact. All this started as a hypothectial question on my part, and its turned into the same thing going on in RL a 4000+ year conflict of what system is right and by default where you where born decides this in most cases, but there are ways to change this, and some may have harsh repercussions. aka losing your master spells and combat arts. Just think this system may cause grif for some people can you really see a Fp druid worshiping any of the evil deities, or the nutral ones. As it stands now. yes I know they will add more later. But is this fair to have them wait for other to show up, This way they are behind in chosing a deity. or are they to start anew when one comes around after they settle for one.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>

[noexi19]

Well, I am an Ogre Berserker in Qeynos as I was a Guardian in Freeport. I think it's just silly I can't worship Rallos. I moved there for the economy and class switch, so I could buy more stuff cheaply and thereby kick more [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. How is that not a Rallos Zek choice? And I think worshipping Rallos is fine for a Qeynosian.  Maybe even finer, as  clearly the Overlord does not want his followers to worhship the other gods, save Innoruk who is obviously allowed in town as a concession to the dark elves. It should be a racial thing as religion should be above any city. To say that city choice determines faith is preposterous. I hope to God, well I hope to Rallos, they have a religious betrayal quest. <div></div>

[Kenazeer]

<DIV>Was just digging around for Luclin lore and found this, which hints at something possible connecting Luclin and everyone's favorite immortal vampire. Found it funny since someone earlier suggested a (Gods+us) vs (Mayong+Veeshan) tie in. The writing sure sounds like official EQ lore but I have no way to verify that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>This is probably as close to as much info that we'll ever get on the whole matter.  The storyline for Luclin is one of the best in all of EQ.  It's a shame so much of it is lost due to the splintering off of Brad and crew.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00><B></B></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"><FONT color=#ffff00><B>The Fall of the Combine Empire</B><BR> </FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Tsaph Katta, emperor of the troubled combine was holding a grand state banquet. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Almost all nations and tribes were in attendance. The dwarven, gnomish, and elven allies all had ambassadors on hand as did the belligerent Teir'Dal. Even the ogres and trolls were represented. All who received an invitation felt compelled to attend, such was the might and the power of the Combine. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>As the guests entered the banquet hall, Katta was there to receive them. One guest came with a smile on his lips and poison in his hand. He had dusted his glove with empolomine, a slow-killing, hallucination-inducing drug. The guest extended his hand as Tsaph welcomed him to the banquet. With the handshake the fate of the Combine was changed. <BR><BR>Katta's reaction was more rapid and violent then most and he collapsed during the dinner, appearing as one possessed. Possessed by evil, some muttered. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>The banquet hall was cleared, and only a trusted few were allowed to remain. <BR>As Katta lay on the floor, dying, he spoke his last breath into the ear of his <BR>closest advisor, a fellow bard named Lcea. The druids then came and wove stasis spells to keep him alive, and put a deep sleep charm on him so that he would not have to endure pain and suffering. Then the elves of the forest came and took Tsaph away, to hide him within their realm so that no further attempts on his life would be possible. <BR><BR>As soon as word spread around the world that Katta was <I>dead</I>, the Combine Empire broke into a thousand tainted pieces. The petty arguments that had shattered the world before his coming resumed with even more passion. The elves continued to keep watch over the resting-place of Tsaph Katta while a few loyal officials , led precariously by Lcea, fortified the Loyalists last remnants. <BR></FONT></P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"><FONT color=#ffff00><B>The Second Exodus</B><BR> </FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Those that claimed allegiance to the standard of the empire were now split in <BR>twain. There was the Inquisition Combine who was lead by a man known as Seru. Seru was responsible for building the Inquisition of the Combine Empire and rooting out all evil from within its midst. He is also the alleged assassin of Tsaph Katta. It has been said the reason for this is a due to the fact that Seru disagreed with allowing the darker races membership in the Combine Empire, viewing them as a blight or an aberration upon the Combine Empire. <BR><BR>Those that remained loyal to the teachings of their former Emperor Tsaph Katta, became known as the Loyalist Combine which, were now lead by Lcea Katta. Luclin the Maiden of Shadows then chose to reveal her moon through The Veil to Lcea Katta. Lcea could see past the glint of the moons rings what looked like blurry cloud formations, and what appeared to be sparkling reflections that hinted at bodies of water. <BR><BR>Knowing that the Inquisition would be coming for them, she gathered her council and they made plans to depart Norrath and rebuild upon the ringed moon of Luclin. In perhaps the greatest ritual of the arts ever known in history conducted by the mages, the Combine Empire departed their city in Kunark after months of preparation...never to be seen nor heard from, ever again. One great flash of light as the spires crackled and flared with mana, and they were gone.<BR><BR>Instead of appearing upon the surface of the moon, they appeared surrounded by an inky darkness. Fearing the worst, the tension mounted. Slowly one by one light lanterns and torches were lit, alongside the utterances of phrases to invoke arcane light sources of the arcane nature. <BR> </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>It had been apparent they were deposited somewhere in the heart of Luclin in a vast cavern system. Off to one side of the new found encampment was a large black sphere of swirling mist that emanated a strong magical field that seemed to pull everything to it and was the blame for their fate. This sphere had been left over from when the Shissar had escaped to the moon in a similar fashion, escaping retribution at the hands of the gods during their first war. <BR><BR>Thoughts were now divided and many in dismay as it became known there was no way of returning to Norrath. Those wishing to develop a way back to Norrath would remain and those who feared being followed by the Inquisition as it was only a matter of time, departed in a caravan to the surface. Somewhere during this time the geomancer Grieg was outcast from the people, as they began to blame him for their being stranded upon the moon. Grieg built his castle in the bright side of the moon and was driven mad by the goddess Luclin, ending his research on finding the way back through the stars to Norrath. <BR> </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"><FONT color=#ffff00><B>Founding of Shadowhaven</B><BR> </FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Less then one thousand in number, those that remained within the caverns <BR>continued to build. The area around the strange sphere which had been studied by the mages, became known as the Nexus. They continued to build within the caverns, and then it happened sooner then expected. The swirling black sphere of mist crackled with eldritch energy as the armies of the Inquisition Combine slowly were pulled through to the moon of Luclin. <BR><BR>Both parties were surprised to see each other, but the people of the Nexus were not without guard for they had built fortifications and had been prepared for their coming. The officers of the invading army met with the locals, who made it clear they wished no part in the Combine dispute. Only in returning home. The new arrivals wished only to chase down the followers of Tsaph Katta, and were shocked of discovering they too shared the fate of their enemies.<BR><BR>Not comfortable in possible enemy territory the Inquisition set off to build a town of their own, going the opposite way of the Loyalists. Many were ordered to remain behind with the people of the Nexus doubling their numbers. These people built another settlement to the one right next to the one already there, which they called Fungus Grove.<BR><BR>The construction of the settlement continued. Over time the differences of the researchers dissipated, working more closely to try and reopen the portal to Norrath. At this time the families that had played either important roles in the construction of the city or the research upon the sphere in the Nexus, became prominent individuals within the confines of the city. <BR><BR>From this point on a general council was elected to run the city. A name was also chosen from the list of those proposed. House Fordel was taken from a family that had survived only a widow. The entire family was lost in a scouting party within the caverns in the first couple months of the great city. They had also been great craftsmen, playing a vital role in much of the cities original construction. The word Midst was taken from a long line of mages who had helped research the way to Luclin, and had spent many hours by candlelight trying to search for a way home to Norrath. Hence Fordel Midst came to be; a haven of shadows. <BR></FONT></P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"> <P><B><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>The Fate of Two Cities<BR> </FONT></B></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Upon the edges of the Twilight Sea within the Tenebrous Mountains, was built in darkness, the city of the Loyalist Combine lead by Lcea Katta; Katta Castellum. The city of the Loyalist Combine lays plagued by Vampires, but from where are their origins steeped? Was Tsaph Katta the spawn of a vengeful Mayong Mistmoore, that despised the light of the Combine Empire and their association with his most hated of enemies? If so was that truly a poison placed upon the hands of an assassin, or was it garlic powder? Even to this day, in Katta Castellum can be found all the tools of the vampire hunter. Woe be to the those that dwell into the embrace of darkness. <BR><BR>Who is Nathyn Illuminous and what is his connection to the Coterie of the Eternal Night which prey upon passers by within the Tenebrous Mountains, and Katta Castellum. Nathyn Illuminous is a vampire of long standing within the city and a mage of some rapore as well. Who is Nathyn Illuminous and what are his plans, and why is he allied to the Coterie of the Eternal Night? Is Nathyn Illuminous Tsaph Katta? It is also said that Tsaph Katta yet lives, in a resting-place of designation by the elves. Does Tsaph Katta live in stasis or in eternal torment as a creature of the night? Or, has he simply passed on? <BR><BR>The Caretaker of the city graveyard of how when Norrath reaches its epicentre that the ghosts of the dead from the early settlers of Katta Castellum retell the early days when the city was first built upon the edges of the mountainous passes. Is that why Lcea Katta stands within the shrine of Marr from time to time? Is she dead...or alive? <BR> </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Within the bright side of twilight did Seru and his followers build Sanctus Seru. From here the Inquisition Combine calls their home, in their battle against those of the Combine Empire. Did Seru meet a fate worse then death at the hands of Mayong Mistmoore upon a mission of the inquisition? was Seru himself embraced by the Lord of the Damned and the Inquisition of the Combine Empire turned in a vicious tool of vengeance and hate against the Empire and the dragons of Kunark? <BR> </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>One thing that is certain, with them came the vampires. And vampires must feed off the blood of the living, and within the dreary mountain passes of the Tenebrous Mountains...the living dead did dwell in a place of eternal darkness and endless torments.</FONT></P></FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV>

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> Just a thought - doesn't trying to activate a Doomsday Device like Solusek Ro place you firmly in the "evil" category? <P>Message Edited by Astralmage on <SPAN class=date_text>07-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:44 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Not really he has no allies or enemies he is clearly probably more chaotic neutral. He does what he feels is the right action. it could be good or evil. As long as it fits his system of thinking. Magic is this way really you can destory things with it and you can also mend things with it. he is the arcane one in lore if I am recalling correctly here. Alot of wizards worship him in EqLive. </P> <P>The Followers of Solusek Ro belive in the raw and unbridled power of fire. Fire birthed the world and in fire shall it be consumed. True aggressive action is the only way for one to obtain what is desired. Power is gained by superior force. Followers of Ro have little fear. They are bold and brash, and say what they mean, and do what they say. Social graces are something they neither possess nor desire. They demand the respect of their peers and more often than not, earn it as well. Those who seek true elemental power follow Solusek Ro, and thus many wizards turn to his burning embrace. </P>

[Wilin]

So betrayers are upset because they left FP to get a better broker market and they can't worship the God of Hate, Fear, or War in the tree hugging city of love and compassion? Come back to FP, the Overlord won't be TOO angry with you. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />When Rallos Zek returns, he will recognize those who stayed the course and shopped in FP instead of selling their souls to a bunch of love mongers. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />/grin

[EQ2Playa432]

Has anyone seen the goblins on the EL docks? Your first question to them is if you are the 9th profit. I laughed <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[Vro]

<div><blockquote><hr>EQ2Playa432 wrote:Has anyone seen the goblins on the EL docks? Your first question to them is if you are the 9th profit. I laughed <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>I just saw them today....the one has a title "Profit of the Gods"...quite funny talking to them.....</div>

[Thistleknot]

<div><blockquote><hr>EQ2Playa432 wrote:Has anyone seen the goblins on the EL docks? Your first question to them is if you are the 9th profit. I laughed <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Hehe. now the devs are just messing with us. <span>:smileytongue:</span></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Thistleknot wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>EQ2Playa432 wrote:Has anyone seen the goblins on the EL docks? Your first question to them is if you are the 9th profit. I laughed <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Hehe. now the devs are just messing with us. <span>:smileytongue:</span></div><hr></blockquote>Are they?  Or is there some truth to this?  Hmm...</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> Just a thought - doesn't trying to activate a Doomsday Device like Solusek Ro place you firmly in the "evil" category? <P>Message Edited by Astralmage on <SPAN class=date_text>07-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:44 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Keep in mind that Solusek only wanted to use the Dresolisk Crystal to PROTECT the gods from the mortals themselves.</P> <P> </P> <P>From thier point of view, it's not evil to destroy your own creations if they're invading your planes and threatening your existance.</P> <P> </P> <P>Besides: His influence is still neutral regardless of what the god themselves do. Karana is a Neutral god because Storms and Weather can't be classified either way. Karana himself does not take lightly to evil ways, however.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kenazeer wrote:<BR> <DIV>Was just digging around for Luclin lore and found this, which hints at something possible connecting Luclin and everyone's favorite immortal vampire. Found it funny since someone earlier suggested a (Gods+us) vs (Mayong+Veeshan) tie in. The writing sure sounds like official EQ lore but I have no way to verify that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>This is probably as close to as much info that we'll ever get on the whole matter.  The storyline for Luclin is one of the best in all of EQ.  It's a shame so much of it is lost due to the splintering off of Brad and crew.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00><B></B></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"><FONT color=#ffff00><B>The Fall of the Combine Empire</B><BR> </FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Tsaph Katta, emperor of the troubled combine was holding a grand state banquet. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Almost all nations and tribes were in attendance. The dwarven, gnomish, and elven allies all had ambassadors on hand as did the belligerent Teir'Dal. Even the ogres and trolls were represented. All who received an invitation felt compelled to attend, such was the might and the power of the Combine. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>As the guests entered the banquet hall, Katta was there to receive them. One guest came with a smile on his lips and poison in his hand. He had dusted his glove with empolomine, a slow-killing, hallucination-inducing drug. The guest extended his hand as Tsaph welcomed him to the banquet. With the handshake the fate of the Combine was changed. <BR><BR>Katta's reaction was more rapid and violent then most and he collapsed during the dinner, appearing as one possessed. Possessed by evil, some muttered. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>The banquet hall was cleared, and only a trusted few were allowed to remain. <BR>As Katta lay on the floor, dying, he spoke his last breath into the ear of his <BR>closest advisor, a fellow bard named Lcea. The druids then came and wove stasis spells to keep him alive, and put a deep sleep charm on him so that he would not have to endure pain and suffering. Then the elves of the forest came and took Tsaph away, to hide him within their realm so that no further attempts on his life would be possible. <BR><BR>As soon as word spread around the world that Katta was <I>dead</I>, the Combine Empire broke into a thousand tainted pieces. The petty arguments that had shattered the world before his coming resumed with even more passion. The elves continued to keep watch over the resting-place of Tsaph Katta while a few loyal officials , led precariously by Lcea, fortified the Loyalists last remnants. <BR></FONT></P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"><FONT color=#ffff00><B>The Second Exodus</B><BR> </FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Those that claimed allegiance to the standard of the empire were now split in <BR>twain. There was the Inquisition Combine who was lead by a man known as Seru. Seru was responsible for building the Inquisition of the Combine Empire and rooting out all evil from within its midst. He is also the alleged assassin of Tsaph Katta. It has been said the reason for this is a due to the fact that Seru disagreed with allowing the darker races membership in the Combine Empire, viewing them as a blight or an aberration upon the Combine Empire. <BR><BR>Those that remained loyal to the teachings of their former Emperor Tsaph Katta, became known as the Loyalist Combine which, were now lead by Lcea Katta. Luclin the Maiden of Shadows then chose to reveal her moon through The Veil to Lcea Katta. Lcea could see past the glint of the moons rings what looked like blurry cloud formations, and what appeared to be sparkling reflections that hinted at bodies of water. <BR><BR>Knowing that the Inquisition would be coming for them, she gathered her council and they made plans to depart Norrath and rebuild upon the ringed moon of Luclin. In perhaps the greatest ritual of the arts ever known in history conducted by the mages, the Combine Empire departed their city in Kunark after months of preparation...never to be seen nor heard from, ever again. One great flash of light as the spires crackled and flared with mana, and they were gone.<BR><BR>Instead of appearing upon the surface of the moon, they appeared surrounded by an inky darkness. Fearing the worst, the tension mounted. Slowly one by one light lanterns and torches were lit, alongside the utterances of phrases to invoke arcane light sources of the arcane nature. <BR> </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>It had been apparent they were deposited somewhere in the heart of Luclin in a vast cavern system. Off to one side of the new found encampment was a large black sphere of swirling mist that emanated a strong magical field that seemed to pull everything to it and was the blame for their fate. This sphere had been left over from when the Shissar had escaped to the moon in a similar fashion, escaping retribution at the hands of the gods during their first war. <BR><BR>Thoughts were now divided and many in dismay as it became known there was no way of returning to Norrath. Those wishing to develop a way back to Norrath would remain and those who feared being followed by the Inquisition as it was only a matter of time, departed in a caravan to the surface. Somewhere during this time the geomancer Grieg was outcast from the people, as they began to blame him for their being stranded upon the moon. Grieg built his castle in the bright side of the moon and was driven mad by the goddess Luclin, ending his research on finding the way back through the stars to Norrath. <BR> </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"><FONT color=#ffff00><B>Founding of Shadowhaven</B><BR> </FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Less then one thousand in number, those that remained within the caverns <BR>continued to build. The area around the strange sphere which had been studied by the mages, became known as the Nexus. They continued to build within the caverns, and then it happened sooner then expected. The swirling black sphere of mist crackled with eldritch energy as the armies of the Inquisition Combine slowly were pulled through to the moon of Luclin. <BR><BR>Both parties were surprised to see each other, but the people of the Nexus were not without guard for they had built fortifications and had been prepared for their coming. The officers of the invading army met with the locals, who made it clear they wished no part in the Combine dispute. Only in returning home. The new arrivals wished only to chase down the followers of Tsaph Katta, and were shocked of discovering they too shared the fate of their enemies.<BR><BR>Not comfortable in possible enemy territory the Inquisition set off to build a town of their own, going the opposite way of the Loyalists. Many were ordered to remain behind with the people of the Nexus doubling their numbers. These people built another settlement to the one right next to the one already there, which they called Fungus Grove.<BR><BR>The construction of the settlement continued. Over time the differences of the researchers dissipated, working more closely to try and reopen the portal to Norrath. At this time the families that had played either important roles in the construction of the city or the research upon the sphere in the Nexus, became prominent individuals within the confines of the city. <BR><BR>From this point on a general council was elected to run the city. A name was also chosen from the list of those proposed. House Fordel was taken from a family that had survived only a widow. The entire family was lost in a scouting party within the caverns in the first couple months of the great city. They had also been great craftsmen, playing a vital role in much of the cities original construction. The word Midst was taken from a long line of mages who had helped research the way to Luclin, and had spent many hours by candlelight trying to search for a way home to Norrath. Hence Fordel Midst came to be; a haven of shadows. <BR></FONT></P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"> <P><B><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>The Fate of Two Cities<BR> </FONT></B></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Upon the edges of the Twilight Sea within the Tenebrous Mountains, was built in darkness, the city of the Loyalist Combine lead by Lcea Katta; Katta Castellum. The city of the Loyalist Combine lays plagued by Vampires, but from where are their origins steeped? Was Tsaph Katta the spawn of a vengeful Mayong Mistmoore, that despised the light of the Combine Empire and their association with his most hated of enemies? If so was that truly a poison placed upon the hands of an assassin, or was it garlic powder? Even to this day, in Katta Castellum can be found all the tools of the vampire hunter. Woe be to the those that dwell into the embrace of darkness. <BR><BR>Who is Nathyn Illuminous and what is his connection to the Coterie of the Eternal Night which prey upon passers by within the Tenebrous Mountains, and Katta Castellum. Nathyn Illuminous is a vampire of long standing within the city and a mage of some rapore as well. Who is Nathyn Illuminous and what are his plans, and why is he allied to the Coterie of the Eternal Night? Is Nathyn Illuminous Tsaph Katta? It is also said that Tsaph Katta yet lives, in a resting-place of designation by the elves. Does Tsaph Katta live in stasis or in eternal torment as a creature of the night? Or, has he simply passed on? <BR><BR>The Caretaker of the city graveyard of how when Norrath reaches its epicentre that the ghosts of the dead from the early settlers of Katta Castellum retell the early days when the city was first built upon the edges of the mountainous passes. Is that why Lcea Katta stands within the shrine of Marr from time to time? Is she dead...or alive? <BR> </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>Within the bright side of twilight did Seru and his followers build Sanctus Seru. From here the Inquisition Combine calls their home, in their battle against those of the Combine Empire. Did Seru meet a fate worse then death at the hands of Mayong Mistmoore upon a mission of the inquisition? was Seru himself embraced by the Lord of the Damned and the Inquisition of the Combine Empire turned in a vicious tool of vengeance and hate against the Empire and the dragons of Kunark? <BR> </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#ffff00>One thing that is certain, with them came the vampires. And vampires must feed off the blood of the living, and within the dreary mountain passes of the Tenebrous Mountains...the living dead did dwell in a place of eternal darkness and endless torments.</FONT></P></FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That *IS* official lore. It's right from the Luclin instruction booklet, but it's been proven through quests in the game that Mistmoore has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever PERIOD with the Coterie vampires. In fact, they proved that the Coterie Vampires are the result of a disease that first developed from the natural environment on Luclin.

[RaphaNissi]

Oh, by the way, I may have run into the 9th prophet out there.  The prophet's just a bit tricky to find.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Xyran]

<DIV>So betrayers are upset because they left FP to get a better broker market and they can't worship the God of Hate, Fear, or War in the tree hugging city of love and compassion? Come back to FP, the Overlord won't be TOO angry with you. <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0><BR><BR>When Rallos Zek returns, he will recognize those who stayed the course and shopped in FP instead of selling their souls to a bunch of love mongers. <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0><BR><BR>/grin </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I betrayed Freeport, not to get a better market, but to get away from such a weak and powerless city leader.  I don't mind not being able to worship the gods of hate, fear and war for the same reasons... I don't like weak and powerless gods, luckily for me I can worship Solusek Ro.  The other gods are too virtuous for me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have always played Dark Elves that do not worship Innoruuk in any way.  They believe that since he was too weak to create his own race, as opposed to corupting other god's races, that he was not worty enough of worship.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xyran wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have always played Dark Elves that do not worship Innoruuk in any way.  They believe that since he was too weak to create his own race, as opposed to corupting other god's races, that he was not worty enough of worship.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>More importantly, Innoruuk abandoned the dark elves as his "Chosen" Race in favor of the Luggalds when Legacy of Ykesha came out (which does apply btw).</P> <P>Innoruuk doesn't even care about the dark elves anymore anyway.... not at much as he used to anyway.</P>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Ok, if we think Veeshan may be the ninth, is it possible that her prophet is a dragon?  Maybe even Naggy?  Anyone checked this?</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>vinterskugge wrote:<div>Ok, if we think Veeshan may be the ninth, is it possible that her prophet is a dragon?  Maybe even Naggy?  Anyone checked this?</div><hr></blockquote>I really don't think she is..... or maybe I know.....</div>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR>Oh, by the way, I may have run into the 9th prophet out there.  The prophet's just a bit tricky to find.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>can you please tell me where this prophet is via pm not to ruin it for others who want to find them on their own...i just whnna know who/where they are

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Well stop being so cryptic and tell us!  :p</DIV>

[KniteShayd]

<P>What I really wann know is:</P> <P>If the other gods and/or Demis get implemented, will we be able to switch at all?  Not all druids worship Tunare.  Mine is a follwer of Karana.  Will I have to wait to choose when EoF is released and not reap the benefits of diety, or can I chose and later switch as some dieties were never offered at the start?</P> <P>Knights and Druids of Karana, Clerics and Pallys of Rodcet, SK's, Warlocks, and Necros of Bertox, Wizards of E'ci, Clerics and Knights of Prexus, Bards and Rogues of Bristlebane, Mages of Druzzil, Fighters of The Rathe, Mages and Priests of Xegony - take up arms and stand behind me on this one!</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>oh, sorry didnt read the last part of the the post...:smileysurprised:</P> <P>Message Edited by KniteShayd on <SPAN class=date_text>07-27-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>04:51 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by KniteShayd on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:52 PM</span>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote:<BR> <P>What I really wann know is:</P> <P>If the other gods and/or Demis get implemented, will we be able to switch at all?  Not all druids worship Tunare.  Mine is a follwer of Karana.  Will I have to wait to choose when EoF is released and not reap the benefits of diety, or can I chose and later switch as some dieties were never offered at the start?</P> <P>Knights and Druids of Karana, Clerics and Pallys of Rodcet, SK's, Warlocks, and Necros of Bertox, Wizards of E'ci, Clerics and Knights of Prexus, Bards and Rogues of Bristlebane, Mages of Druzzil, Fighters of The Rathe, Mages and Priests of Xegony - take up arms and stand behind me on this one!</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>they should have all deitys at the start but unless you whanna wait another year then you'll have to deal with it:smileytongue:

[Dragonreal]

<DIV>Read the dev post on page 21 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> he already stated that switching would be allowed and actually not even very difficult, and we all know not all druids worship tunare.. not all even have the ABILITY to as it stands now; if you're an fp druid you're sol for a druidic diety to worship until karana is added adn even then have to hope he's added as a neutral and not a good-aligned diety =/</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dragonrealms on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:44 PM</span>

[RaphaNissi]

*goes off to sleep*<div></div>

[ALFDragon]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR>Oh, by the way, I may have run into the 9th prophet out there.  The prophet's just a bit tricky to find.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well stop being so cryptic and tell us!  :p</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/aggree with vinterskugge<BR>tell us already! Or at least give us a good hint!</P> <P><BR>Kyner Regalis<BR>70 Paladin of Mithanial Marr<BR>The Isolated - Nektulos</P>

[Kendricke]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<BR><P>Innoruuk doesn't even care about the dark elves anymore anyway.... not at much as he used to anyway.</P><hr></blockquote>What are you basing this on? Fact? ...Or personal belief?

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>ALFDragon wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> RaphaNissi wrote:Oh, by the way, I may have run into the 9th prophet out there.  The prophet's just a bit tricky to find.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> vinterskugge wrote: <div>Well stop being so cryptic and tell us!  :p</div> <hr> </blockquote> <hr> </blockquote> <p>/aggree with vinterskuggetell us already! Or at least give us a good hint!</p> <p>Kyner Regalis70 Paladin of Mithanial MarrThe Isolated - Nektulos</p><hr></blockquote>Let's just say that he/she/it won't always be up to talking.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR><BR> <P>Innoruuk doesn't even care about the dark elves anymore anyway.... not at much as he used to anyway.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>What are you basing this on? Fact? ...Or personal belief?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If I remember correctly, its part of one of the ring events in Legacy of Ykesha. the Luggald Broodmother event. The Luggald Broodmother was the only thing that created new Luggalds, and when Innoruuk realized that adventurers were about to destroy it, he comes down himself and announces that nobody shall destroy his "chosen" creations. You then have to fight Inny himself. He mentions elsewhere that the Dark Elves had failed him and he created the Luggalds as his chosen creations now because they won't betray him.

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ALFDragon wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR>Oh, by the way, I may have run into the 9th prophet out there.  The prophet's just a bit tricky to find.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well stop being so cryptic and tell us!  :p</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/aggree with vinterskugge<BR>tell us already! Or at least give us a good hint!</P> <P><BR>Kyner Regalis<BR>70 Paladin of Mithanial Marr<BR>The Isolated - Nektulos</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Let's just say that he/she/it won't always be up to talking.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>*pulls out accorn*(yes monks can use an accorn as a weapon how sweet is that!!!) i think a certain gnome monks gonna atempt to find this guy!!!

[RaphaNissi]

Needing a rest, the dark elf sits down under a shady tree and listens to the water rushing nearby.  Her journey to find the prophets has taken her all over and under the land of Norrath.  "Where is that blasted last prophet?  Why doesn't he show his face and tell us of the return!" she says to herself.    Suddenly, she sees some movement out of the corner of her eye.  A cloaked figure has approached the house nearby and begins knocking.  "Wake up!  The master has need of you," Rapha hears the shrouded man say as she tried to stay hidden in the shade of the tree.  Straining to hear over the waters and the bees, she hears a gruff voice call from inside, " For the last time, GO AWAY!  I am no prophet!  Let me sleep!"  The figure tried again to knock but is met with only the sound of snoring and slips away frustrated.  <div></div>   Waiting a bit to make sure the figure is gone, Rapha comes out from her hiding place!  "Finally!" she says and rushes off to tell those in Freeport of her findings.

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR>Needing a rest, the dark elf sits down under a shady tree and listens to the water rushing nearby.  Her journey to find the prophets has taken her all over and under the land of Norrath.  "Where is that blasted last prophet?  Why doesn't he show his face and tell us of the return!" she says to herself. <BR>   Suddenly, she sees some movement out of the corner of her eye.  A cloaked figure has approached the house nearby and begins knocking.  "Wake up!  The master has need of you," Rapha hears the shrouded man say as she tried to stay hidden in the shade of the tree.  Straining to hear over the waters and the bees, she hears a gruff voice call from inside, " For the last time, GO AWAY!  I am no prophet!  Let me sleep!"  The figure tried again to knock but is met with only the sound of snoring and slips away frustrated.  <BR>    Waiting a bit to make sure the figure is gone, Rapha comes out from her hiding place!  "Finally!" she says and rushes off to tell those in Freeport of her findings.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>.... k.

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR>Needing a rest, the dark elf sits down under a shady tree and listens to the water rushing nearby.  Her journey to find the prophets has taken her all over and under the land of Norrath.  "Where is that blasted last prophet?  Why doesn't he show his face and tell us of the return!" she says to herself. <BR>   Suddenly, she sees some movement out of the corner of her eye.  A cloaked figure has approached the house nearby and begins knocking.  "Wake up!  The master has need of you," Rapha hears the shrouded man say as she tried to stay hidden in the shade of the tree.  Straining to hear over the waters and the bees, she hears a gruff voice call from inside, " For the last time, GO AWAY!  I am no prophet!  Let me sleep!"  The figure tried again to knock but is met with only the sound of snoring and slips away frustrated.  <BR>    Waiting a bit to make sure the figure is gone, Rapha comes out from her hiding place!  "Finally!" she says and rushes off to tell those in Freeport of her findings.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><--- thinks that was a hint lol <BR><BR>EDIT: this is doubtfull exspecaly considering that it was a dark elf sitting under the tree but htere is a river(moat) and a tree with a bee hive in SQ and the guy who gave the priest advansmint quest use to sit under there and i bbealive he was a druid...perhaps they are back and a prophet of karana...or maybe they have always stayed in the same spot i don't go to sq mutch</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Evilcow on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:50 PM</span>

[Wikfizb]

<P>Based on Rapha's clues and the acorn reference I searched Matsy's Inn and Windstalker village in Antonica and found nothing new (of course the "not always up" part could be a factor), but the lack of bees does make antonica doubtful as well.</P> <P>If Rapha speaks true (and I find the words quite convincing), I'm inclined to believe the 9th influential one is indeed bristlebane.  Afterall if there were a profit fo bristlebane, where woudl he/she/it likely be, passed out in a corner or under a tree.  I realy hope its not sicne that would mean that bristlebane will not be worshipable (the only gods I could see my conj following are Brstlebane, Xegony, or the Rathe) <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Wikfizbik - Conjuror / Jeweler</P> <P> </P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I think the BEES and WATER plays a bigger clue.</DIV>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Not seen anything in Rivervale or EL.</DIV>

[Evilcow]

<P>EDIT: typed to slow</P><p>Message Edited by Evilcow on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:04 PM</span>

[Cyrikk]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>: EDIT upon even further revue I may have said too much too soon.  <span>:smileywink:</span> . Thanks for the helpful story/clue RaphaNissi!<div></div><p>Message Edited by Cyrikk on <span class="date_text">07-27-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:44 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Cyrikk on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:10 PM</span>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<div><blockquote><hr>RaphaNissi wrote:Needing a rest, the dark elf sits down under a shady tree and listens to the water rushing nearby.  Her journey to find the prophets has taken her all over and under the land of Norrath.  "Where is that blasted last prophet?  Why doesn't he show his face and tell us of the return!" she says to herself.    Suddenly, she sees some movement out of the corner of her eye.  A cloaked figure has approached the house nearby and begins knocking.  "Wake up!  The master has need of you," Rapha hears the shrouded man say as she tried to stay hidden in the shade of the tree.  Straining to hear over the waters and the bees, she hears a gruff voice call from inside, " For the last time, GO AWAY!  I am no prophet!  Let me sleep!"  The figure tried again to knock but is met with only the sound of snoring and slips away frustrated.  <div></div>   Waiting a bit to make sure the figure is gone, Rapha comes out from her hiding place!  "Finally!" she says and rushes off to tell those in Freeport of her findings.<hr></blockquote>YAY!!!  Thanks for the story hun.  *tucks her screenshots away*</div>

[RaphaNissi]

Thanks for not giving away too much, guys!  We don't want to ruin the fun for others. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<DIV>**editted since orignial post was removed**</DIV><p>Message Edited by Coccinea_Maga on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:05 AM</span>

[kyrr]

Well, I for one say thanks to Cusa. Most likely realizes that we just want the darn thing found!! We've been looking for how long?? But if the voice says drafling's not the prophet, then why are we bothering w/this?? Kinda like the gobs in EL I guess, an "oh that's kinda cool and mean" type of thing.

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>Ahh... interesting, I never would have guessed him.  We might finally get to see what he looks like too<div></div>

[Galithdor]

<P>lol..has anyone talked to the Gigglegibber guy in EL? he calles himself the 9th prophet and says it's cuz Tuna, Mithy Marr, Bristlybane, and Beer told them so in a dream..and i think Kalla to...</P> <P> </P> <P>Translations: Tunare, Mithaniel Marr, Bristlebane, Brell, and Karana...so all the good/nuetral gods/godesses</P>

[Ogrebe]

There is another way to narrow down the search. Live update 25 happened on the 13th.. Only zone files that where modified on the 13th or later would have them..I'm going to list old world zone first.AntonicaBefallen -- Storm holdblackburrowCazicthuleCommonlandsEverforstFeerr ottFallengateNektulousObelisk of lostsoulsRunnyeyeOrcishwastes -- i'm guessin this is ZekPermafrostSolusekeye eyethundering steppsThe newbiew islandWalking cavbesAll city zones and 4 out side newbie areas of each cityNone old world area areSunderd splitpawtombs of nightDrowing cavesMajdulLiving tombsPoets palaceShimmering citadelSilent citySinging sandsHall of fateLair of scaleShrines of sky<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Yeah, he's the "Prophet of the Gods" as his official title. Kallama. lol.</DIV>

[Ogrebe]

It may very well be though that the 9th profeit remains hidden until his time has come.<div></div>

[Galithdor]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <BR> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> hahn_bard wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>Interestingly, when I talk to Zeb after having completed his quest, he says a number of different things, could these be clues?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us."<FONT color=#ffff00><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Small chance, but this may mean Bristlebane..mischief god, best theory to follow that i've seen on this post so far.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Serpentine creatures can be classified as any reptillian being..lizards, snakes, dragons...may reffer to even more lore of the Ring of Scale during the old sebillisian empire..or Shissar, mabey even a clue to our 9th prophet?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><FONT color=#ff0000>3 good suggestions here-Qeynos/Freeport, Elves of Light/Dark Elves, Iksar/Shissar(longshot, but hey)</FONT> </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The Nine shall return and face the end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><FONT color=#ff0000>Gods coming back, possibly believeing some power will cause Norrath's End (Remind ya of Greenmist anyone?) </FONT>. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><FONT color=#ff0000>Possibly a note that we will discover an unknown "richness" on Faydwer? (I.E. More history on the shattering that hasn't been given out yet, or mabye even a hint to the suprise for Evil  people that may happen) </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><FONT color=#ff0000>Lord of Darkness...most likely Mayong, if they attempt a Tie in to EQ1 then it's been roughly 500 years since his acension to the Demi plane of Blood</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "She who represents the forbidden two shall begin the march of fate."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><FONT color=#ff0000>Gives me a lead pointing towards Veeshan (represents Vox, Naggy..forbidden love, creation of Kerafyrm, more powerful than Veeshan)</FONT><BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><FONT color=#ff0000>Nagafen indeed..Seeing as his questline involves Crimson Orbs of Power that our lesser minds cannot handle</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Once more, her allies will give rise to the thought of life anew."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><FONT color=#ff0000>Tunare, Tunare, Where for art thou Tunare? =P</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Etched in stone, the first key from dawn shall be revealed."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Hmm..Toughie...this may have to do with some unread tidbits of EQ1 or EQOA lore that people may have skipped...</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "The age of the dragons is waning though they know it not. Seek now your fortune in the affairs of the other mortal races."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>May be a message saying that well...we've had too much dragon steak and keeled off all da draggies =P</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><FONT color=#ff0000>I'm thinking an Old Dark Power related to Brell, mayhaps a clan of Evil Dwarves that have been hidden underground, with senses that allowed them to avoid the age of turmoil and the shattering?(forgive me if i mistype any lore-based statements..a tad rusty on some of it)</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zhen Mei/a says, "Forever the commander he has now risen in rank to play his part in ages end."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Zek..He's Stolen our cookies, now he wants our armies! no way this can mean anyone else, since Mithy is the god of Valor, he would be the Commander's Commander seemingly</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Mathias25]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>kyrrah wrote:<div></div>Well, I for one say thanks to Cusa. Most likely realizes that we just want the darn thing found!! We've been looking for how long?? But if the voice says drafling's not the prophet, then why are we bothering w/this?? Kinda like the gobs in EL I guess, an "oh that's kinda cool and mean" type of thing.<hr></blockquote>I would like to thank Rapha for initially finding the potential prophet and giving us clues so others could discover him as well."A sleeper" is probably the Drafling and he's just referring to himself in the 3rd person. He says he's not  the prophet so people leave him alone so he can..SLEEP.Whoever's the 9th prophet, he / she has to represent a god that players can't worship in the upcoming expansion (Because there's only going to be 8 from how I understand it).  So my guess is that the Drafling (Half Dragon) is Veeshan's prophet?I doubt the Drafling thing is a joke like the goblins.  Mainly because the goblins are funny and in a public area and the Drafling is tucked away in the back of Rivervale.  The Drafling is going to play some part in this or in some other event.This is a quote from Vhalen on an old thread discussing the history of the Drafling back in February.  As you will see, Vhalen states how they have not forgotten about the Drafling for future plans.<div>"The <b>Drafling</b> existed in original EQ lore. The groundwork for his possible EQLive existence could be found just outside of Rivervale in the Misty Thicket. In the thicket you can see a tower on the halfling side of the Wall. That was going to be his tower. One of his ogre servants actually made an appearance there, but most likely got pulled from the zone over the years.</div><div> </div><div>As for the <b>Drafling</b> in the Age of Destiny... we have not forgotten about him.</div><div> </div><div>Note: Did you know the that the original spelling of '<b>Drafling</b>' was actually 'Dralfling'? Over the design years the he lost an 'L'."I don't know how the Drafling fits into Zebuxoruk's prophecies so this all can be wrong.  Just have to wait for events to start "unfolding."</div><div></div>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Mathias25 wrote:<div></div>Whoever's the 9th prophet, he / she has to represent a god that players can't worship in the upcoming expansion (Because there's only going to be 8 from how I understand it).  So my guess is that the Drafling (Half Dragon) is Veeshan's prophet?<div></div><hr></blockquote>He could also be a prophet of Bristlebane, although that would be slightly less climatic</div>

[Mathias25]

<div></div><blockquote><hr><blockquote><hr>Mirander wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Mathias25 wrote:<div></div>Whoever's the 9th prophet, he / she has to represent a god that players can't worship in the upcoming expansion (Because there's only going to be 8 from how I understand it).  So my guess is that the Drafling (Half Dragon) is Veeshan's prophet?<div></div><hr></blockquote>He could also be a prophet of Bristlebane, although that would be slightly less climatic</div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, I thought that too but then why exclude Bristlebane from the worshipable deities?  That's why I think Veeshan is more likely.  Poor Rogues.</blockquote><div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

Thinking entirely in a metagame sense, why does the 9th prophet draw attention to Bristlebane and Karana if we are going to be unable to worship those two gods to start with?<p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:44 AM</span>

[Zabjade]

<blockquote><hr>Ordate wrote:<div></div> <p>I'm just curious why you can't adapt to the gods that are allowed since the Nameless is not?  </p> <p><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Because The Nameless doesn't leave me with an IRL ooky feeling like the others do.</font></font></font> </p> <p>My two gods of choice (Karana and Tribunal) are not making the list at this time. <font color="#66ff00"> </font></p> <p><font color="#66ff00"><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Likely coming as a live event or another expansion. While The Nameless was in the lore he was never take-able.</font></font></font> </font></p> <p> But given the list that we do have, I'm already making plans and thinking why would my character worship each of these gods.  I'm coming up with multiple reasons for each god as I dwell upon it.  The only concern I have is if I am more or less forced to a specific god.  Say if Rodcet Nife(not a god currently available I know) was to give characters big increases on heals, I would in truth end up worshipping that god even though I don't truthfully care for the lore too much of him. </p> <p><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Your Choice</font></font></font> </p> <hr></blockquote><div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV>The Nameless doesn't represent anything. The Nameless just <EM>is. </EM>How would you even go about worshipping the Nameless?</DIV>

[Zabjade]

<blockquote><hr>Astralmage wrote:<div></div> <div>The Nameless doesn't represent anything. The Nameless just <em>is. </em>How would you even go about worshipping the Nameless? </div><hr></blockquote><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">I see so you would compliment a part of a painting for the mere fact that exists, rather then step back, admire the whole painting and compliment the artist. Creation itself a pretty big representation. </font></font></font><div></div>

[Cirth_Beer]

<div></div>humm so is the 9th prophet is the dralfling  or is it just a misleading way ? i didnt go to see this sleeper yet but ... do he have the <prophet> tag like the others or is there someone in the dralfling tower ? i'm a bit confused :ohumm reading the edit of crusa : BTW: the same dialogue occures during the daytime as well. no NPC's are found in or around the tower out of the ordinary bees.i'm just a bit more confused <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> this sleeper we hear is not really existing ? Oo <div></div><p>Message modifié par Cirth_Beer le <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:10 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cirth_Beer wrote:<BR>humm so is the 9th prophet is the dralfling  or is it just a misleading way ? i didnt go to see this sleeper yet but ... do he have the <prophet> tag like the others or is there someone in the dralfling tower ? i'm a bit confused :o<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Believe me. If you looked at my screenshot earlier, you litterally saw everything there is about him.</P> <P>There isn't any NPC in the tower or around it. it's just an activated message.</P>

[Cirth_Beer]

But in this case ... we dont know if the "drafling case" have something to do with all this prophet things<span></span><div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zabjade wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> <DIV>The Nameless doesn't represent anything. The Nameless just <EM>is. </EM>How would you even go about worshipping the Nameless?<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#66ff00><FONT size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">I see so you would compliment a part of a painting for the mere fact that exists, rather then step back, admire the whole painting and compliment the artist.<BR><BR>Creation itself a pretty big representation. <BR></FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You missed my point. What does the Nameless stand for? What does the Nameless teach? How can you go about worshipping the Nameless at all?

[StarryEyedElf]

<P>Some of you need to lose the killjoy attitude. I've had to remove a post at the request of several users.</P> <P>If you can't play fair, don't play at all please. It isn't nice to the other people having a good time.</P>

[Dregor]

<div><blockquote><hr>Astralmage wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Zabjade wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Astralmage wrote: <div></div> <div>The Nameless doesn't represent anything. The Nameless just <em>is. </em>How would you even go about worshipping the Nameless?</div> <hr> </blockquote><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">I see so you would compliment a part of a painting for the mere fact that exists, rather then step back, admire the whole painting and compliment the artist.Creation itself a pretty big representation. </font></font></font> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>You missed my point. What does the Nameless stand for? What does the Nameless teach? How can you go about worshipping the Nameless at all?<hr></blockquote>It doesn't matter, he just doesn't want to feel "ooky".  I'd just like to know if for some reason they suddenly gave The Nameless some kind of personality and back story would it suddenly stop being appealing to you.</div>

[Renita_Serafim]

What does "ooky" mean, anyway?

[Ordate]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StarryEyedElf wrote:<BR> <P>Some of you need to lose the killjoy attitude. I've had to remove a post at the request of several users.</P> <P>If you can't play fair, don't play at all please. It isn't nice to the other people having a good time.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <P>Why in the world did you remove that post?  This entire thread has been about the collection of information about the 9 prophets.  Everyone has shared information about every single other prophet.  Besides the finding was speculative at best.  I see this as a gross cave in to the whiners here that were trying to hoard information and act bigger then others.</P>

[Cirth_Beer]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ordate a écrit:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> StarryEyedElf wrote: <div></div> <p>Some of you need to lose the killjoy attitude. I've had to remove a post at the request of several users.</p> <p>If you can't play fair, don't play at all please. It isn't nice to the other people having a good time.</p> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Why in the world did you remove that post?  This entire thread has been about the collection of information about the 9 prophets.  Everyone has shared information about every single other prophet.  Besides the finding was speculative at best.  I see this as a gross cave in to the whiners here that were trying to hoard information and act bigger then others.</p><hr></blockquote>i agree with ordate, we dont even know if it is in fact a path to the prophet or some false lead thing like the goblin.</div>

[Wolfguard6]

<P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc33>The Nameless-</FONT></STRONG>This being of ultimate power has no name, and is unknown to most of Norrath. It has no image in which to create others, nor does it have a personality as even deities would. It is simply a driving force which causes universes to exist. Or not to exist, at its own whim. </P> <P>With this somewhat lack luster info about him/her/it, or whatever it is. </P> <P>I would come to the conclusion that this is a form of following Agnostic ways.</P> <P>Anyways it boils down like this. You believe in a higher being, yet do not believe any form of organized religion is right or valid.</P> <P>This to me is how The Nameless may fit. There is no real name for your deity nor do any really know how it shall look. but you do believe in a higher power. <FONT size=3>So your not Aetheist <FONT face="Times New Roman"> and believe in no higher power.</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Thank you for correcting my numb brain.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Also this reads you in some ways one may see well I believe this and well you yourself make the driving force for things yet put it in to the unknown. This may be why it does not have a personality of other deities it maybe up to the follower on how The Nameless really acts in there own mind and beleafs.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>As to the post removal it really didn't give anything away. So why remove it. T</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>here is more to this then what the screenshot shows, and not having anyone around. Have to look in all places lol. May your hunt find what you are looking for. </FONT></P> <P>Message Edited by Wolfguard6 on <SPAN class=date_text>07-28-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:07 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Wolfguard6 on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:17 AM</span>

[Ordate]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cirth_Beer wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>i agree with ordate, we dont even know if it is in fact a path to the prophet or some false lead thing like the goblin.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Ya talk about kill joy.  This thread was fun because of the arguments over could it be this or could it be that.  I had just come here to comment about the pros and cons of the most recent find.  But since a mod took it on themselves to delete a post that really didn't need deleteing we can be pretty sure that is now the 9th prophet.  Thanks a lot!  (sarcasm)</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Dregor]

I was a little confused with your post, so will just clarify this:  Agnostic is to believe in something greater than you, but no specific god or religion.  Aetheist is to believe in no greater being or power.  I think I get what you were trying to say tho, and I believe he wouldn't like your equating of The Nameless as being for someone who is agnostic <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Whatever tho, this isn't a rl religious forum.<div></div>

[Kenazeer]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ordate wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cirth_Beer wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>i agree with ordate, we dont even know if it is in fact a path to the prophet or some false lead thing like the goblin.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Ya talk about kill joy.  This thread was fun because of the arguments over could it be this or could it be that.  I had just come here to comment about the pros and cons of the most recent find.  But since a mod took it on themselves to delete a post that really didn't need deleteing we can be pretty sure that is now the 9th prophet.  Thanks a lot!  (sarcasm)</P> <P><BR> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Can someone paraphrase what I missed without invoking the wrath of the mods. I have(had) read every post in this thread and didn't see anything that needed deleting. <P><SPAN class=time_text>Edit: NM I see it was Cusa's post. </SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Kenazeer on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:13 AM</span>

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">ooky= hair on the back or you neck stands up. That is indeed most of the lore about The Nameless, the destruction side is easy and requires little thought, but creation requires very complex creativity. It makes me feel there is more to the Nameless then is widely known. </font></font></font><div></div>

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dregor wrote:<BR>I was a little confused with your post, so will just clarify this:  Agnostic is to believe in something greater than you, but no specific god or religion.  Aetheist is to believe in no greater being or power.  I think I get what you were trying to say tho, and I believe he wouldn't like your equating of The Nameless as being for someone who is agnostic <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Whatever tho, this isn't a rl religious forum.<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>haha your right thanks for clearing my numb brain this morning to early and not eought sleep fixing now. thanks </P> <P>Yes it is not really a religious form, but I know RL people do beleave in this agnostic ways. Its not a true form of religion but it is out there, and it fits what they are saying they don't believe in the know organized one's that we all know. </P> <P>but if you talk to one of them about it it may not be the same thing when you talk to another. I know 4 people who beleave in this and there all diffrent. So I do kind of see the Nameless as being this unoffical way to worship a higher being in EQlive, and in fact you could in EQlive be one. Thou it was never called The Nameless.</P> <P>It has no real form or shape. does not have the personality of other deities. Just kind of in my tried mind seems to fit this form of thinking. </P> <P>If it comes to EQ2 its all up to the dev's and designer's brain cavities. </P><p>Message Edited by Wolfguard6 on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:29 AM</span>

[Ordate]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kenazeer wrote:<BR> <BR>Can someone paraphrase what I missed without invoking the wrath of the mods. I have(had) read every post in this thread and didn't see anything that needed deleting. <P>Message Edited by Kenazeer on <SPAN class=date_text>07-28-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:11 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Go back a page (or if this falls to a new page, 2 pages.  Someone posted a storyish hint.  Someone else posted a pic of the text and place in question.  The pic was removed.  I'm not saying any more then that as I don't wish to tempt fate more then I already have.</P> <P> </P>

[Cirth_Beer]

well so it's not just only the screen which should have been deleted but also all the following posts <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Zabjade wrote: <P><FONT color=#66ff00><FONT size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">That is indeed most of the lore about The Nameless, the destruction side is easy and requires little thought, but creation requires very complex creativity. It makes me feel there is more to the Nameless then is widely known.<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The Nameless is there as a plot device that explains how Norrath was made. There is no more depth than that. The Nameless is a "use once, then throw away" plot device. SOE have vast quantities of lore that hasn't yet made it into the game, but I very much doubt that much of it relates to the Nameless. They are not going to make him/her/it worshippable.<p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:48 AM</span>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> Thinking entirely in a metagame sense, why does the 9th prophet draw attention to Bristlebane and Karana <STRONG>if we are going to be unable to worship those two gods to start with?</STRONG> <P>Message Edited by Astralmage on <SPAN class=date_text>07-28-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:44 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>where exactly did it say this?some one tell me WHY they would add a deity to the game if no one can worship them...kinda pointless imo

[Echgar]

If anyone has issues with something that was moderated, please send a PM to the moderator that did it (StarryEyedElf in this case), myself, Raijinn, or Blackguard.  All posting about it in a thread like this does is derail it.Back on topic please. <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> Thinking entirely in a metagame sense, why does the 9th prophet draw attention to Bristlebane and Karana <STRONG>if we are going to be unable to worship those two gods to start with?</STRONG> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>where exactly did it say this?some one tell me WHY they would add a deity to the game if no one can worship them...kinda pointless imo<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The Gigglegibber Goblin that calls himself "Profit of the Gods" on the Enchanted Lands docks. I realise that he is a fake and not a real herald, but it seems just a little pointless to draw attention to two dieties that aren't going to be in the expansion. Either Ilucide isn't telling us everything, or Karana and Bristlebane are red herrings.

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> Thinking entirely in a metagame sense, why does the 9th prophet draw attention to Bristlebane and Karana <STRONG>if we are going to be unable to worship those two gods to start with?</STRONG> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>where exactly did it say this?Some one tell me WHY they would add a deity to the game if no one can worship them...kinda pointless IMO<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The Gigglegibber Goblin that calls himself "Profit of the Gods" on the Enchanted Lands docks. I realise that he is a fake and not a real herald, but it seems just a little pointless to draw attention to two dieties that aren't going to be in the expansion. Either Ilucide isn't telling us everything, or Karana and Bristlebane are red herrings.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>excetly they can't add a major deity and exspect no one to worship it...well they couldn't add any deity and not have it worshipable every deity has followers somewhere in the worlds<p>Message Edited by Evilcow on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:39 AM</span>

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> Thinking entirely in a metagame sense, why does the 9th prophet draw attention to Bristlebane and Karana <STRONG>if we are going to be unable to worship those two gods to start with?</STRONG> <P>Message Edited by Astralmage on <SPAN class=date_text>07-28-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:44 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>where exactly did it say this?some one tell me WHY they would add a deity to the game if no one can worship them...kinda pointless imo<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well lets say you are a one of the deities and I am one. You feel there is no reason to come back to Norrath.  However I do so my prophet is doing his wonders getting me followers. Now you have no prophet and no followers coming to you. It may be hard to get some followers later on. if the the other deities have them as followers already. </P> <P>Another case is why I am back I do something to tick you now your coming back to Norrath at a later time. Basically plot line for Lore. Some deities will not come back all at the sametime. </P> <P>Basically if you look at the lore for EQ2 <STRONG>Cazic-Thule released the green mist. Brell Serilis shook the earth and opened it up killing many as well. My point something will happen and more of the Deities will show up, but there not dumb either in seeing that the others are gathering followers so they send there Prophets out now as well to gather for them. So may not all boils down to plot making on the Dev's part. I am so looking forward to this. </STRONG><BR></P>

[Zabjade]

<blockquote><hr>Astralmage wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <p></p> <hr> Zabjade wrote: <p><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">That is indeed most of the lore about The Nameless, the destruction side is easy and requires little thought, but creation requires very complex creativity. It makes me feel there is more to the Nameless then is widely known.</font></font></font></p> <hr> </blockquote>The Nameless is there as a plot device that explains how Norrath was made. There is no more depth than that. The Nameless is a "use one, then throw away" plot device. SOE have vast quantities of lore that hasn't yet made it into the game, but I very much doubt that much of it relates to the Nameless. They are not going to make him/her/it worshippable.<p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class="date_text">07-28-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:31 AM </span></p> <p><span class="time_text"> </span></p> <hr></blockquote><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Maybe maybe not, but for some reason last sentence of this <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=11265#M11265" target=_blank>Vhalen post</a> keeps tickling my mind.</font></font></font><div></div>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wolfguard6 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> Thinking entirely in a metagame sense, why does the 9th prophet draw attention to Bristlebane and Karana <STRONG>if we are going to be unable to worship those two gods to start with?</STRONG> <P>Message Edited by Astralmage on <SPAN class=date_text>07-28-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:44 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>where exactly did it say this?some one tell me WHY they would add a deity to the game if no one can worship them...kinda pointless imo<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well lets say you are a one of the deities and I am one. You feel there is no reason to come back to Norrath.  However I do so my prophet is doing his wonders getting me followers. Now you have no prophet and no followers coming to you. It may be hard to get some followers later on. if the the other deities have them as followers already. </P> <P>Another case is why I am back I do something to tick you now your coming back to Norrath at a later time. Basically plot line for Lore. Some deities will not come back all at the sametime. </P> <P>Basically if you look at the lore for EQ2 <STRONG>Cazic-Thule released the green mist. Brell Serilis shook the earth and opened it up killing many as well. My point something will happen and more of the Deities will show up, but there not dumb either in seeing that the others are gathering followers so they send there Prophets out now as well to gather for them. So may not all boils down to plot making on the Dev's part. I am so looking forward to this. </STRONG><BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>if they have a prophet there and you choose to listen to that prophet and believe in that god you are worshiping them they just aren't there :smileytongue:

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>if they have a prophet there and you choose to listen to that prophet and believe in that god you are worshiping them they just aren't there :smileytongue:<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That is correct you will not know this, but its true. We could all be wrong on the deities coming back. There all just prophet's to get followers when the time is right for them to comeback. In fact there all this way now. In char we don't know if they are back yet but we know prophets are telling us this. Do we take them as real or false prophet's in a sence we know there not back yet but can feel there influance on Norrath. In turn this makes all the prophets false till we acttally see what deities are back and witch ones will be back sometime when the plot is right, or something major happens and more show to counter that.</P> <P> Now how is that one outside the box. Lack of sleep is great.<BR></P>

[Wolfguard6]

<P>You know something just came to me. </P> <P>Followers of Bristlebane believe in having fun, at the expense of nearly all else. Bards, rogues, jesters, gamblers and gypsies are all typical followers. They are almost always very charming, clever, and witty, traits which all Bristlebane followers should strive to have. Mischief in all its forms is encouraged. Practical jokes are performed as if they are the highest of rituals. Very few of Bristlebane's followers are outright wicked in their desires but it is best to keep at least one eye on your purse if they are about. And never let one deal you a hand of King's Court.</P> <P>What if the gigglegober goblins in EL are speaking the truth here. I mean we know them to have fun at are cost. The Lotto has suck my pocket change jar it a form of gambling. they have had games and things during the frostfall thingy.</P> <P>This could be one heck of a Bristlebane joke on us all because we don't take them as a loggical prophet. They do fit his followers. I would really think it be hard to believe a prophet of Bristlebane anyway. </P>

[kyrr]

I'm tired of this thread. :smileysad:  I don't know 'bout the rest of you, but I'm moving on to something that might yield results in the near future.  This was started weeks ago in hopes of finding the 9th prophet. I don't think we've come any closer regardless of all the discussion, hypothesises (sp?), conjectures, and theories. I think I'll go see if I can find the lost city of Atlantis. Should have more luck w/that. :smileyhappy:

[Zannah]

So the current layout is:Good:<ul><li>Mithaniel Marr</li><li>Quellious</li><li>Tunare</li></ul>Neutral:<ul><li>Brell Serilis</li><li>Solusek Ro</li></ul>Evil:<ul><li>Cazic Thule</li><li>Innoruuk</li><li>Rallos Zek</li></ul>The hard part is dealing with the new limitations.  EQLive had some in place, and even added faction hits based on those choices.  Had a buddy roll a High Elf wizard - he had the choice to worship Tunare or Solusek Ro.  At the time the brief description of Sol Ro sounded more like what a wizard would choose (Fire - destruction blah blah blah).  He actually had some trouble with merchants in Felwithe and with some other quests because his diety wasn't well liked in his home town.  I suppose in actuality he'd have been thrown out, since Solusek destroyed the original High Elf homeland.So we have a 'good' town and an 'evil' town (yeah - and a neutral cave).  Its a little too black and white - especially for a world thats been without any type of deific separation for 500 years.  The whole idea of anyone knowing 'your' innermost thoughts (ie who you worship - since its not about belief really) needs to be addressed.  You might have a 'satanist' working in the office next to you and never know it (until they actually DO something that draws your attention - and no Im not talking about something in another country - something in lunchroom. Faction scarring has always irritated me too.)There needs to be a Neutral Evil - Neutral Good addition to these lists (at least, or move the current names around a little)Good:MithanielTunareNeutral Good:QuelliosBrellNeutral Evil:Rallos ZekSolusek RoEvil:Cazic-ThuleInnoruukA Qeynos DE wizard should be able to worship Innoruuk - the consequence will be that Nathan Ironforge becomes a killable NPC.  How long do you think they'll last before that poor inquisitive child is turned into a boiling puddle at the foot of the QH broker.  That will be a nice faction hit - and a good way to begin your betrayal quest <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wolfguard6 wrote:<BR> <P>You know something just came to me. </P> <P>Followers of Bristlebane believe in having fun, at the expense of nearly all else. Bards, rogues, jesters, gamblers and gypsies are all typical followers. They are almost always very charming, clever, and witty, traits which all Bristlebane followers should strive to have. Mischief in all its forms is encouraged. Practical jokes are performed as if they are the highest of rituals. Very few of Bristlebane's followers are outright wicked in their desires but it is best to keep at least one eye on your purse if they are about. And never let one deal you a hand of King's Court.</P> <P>What if the gigglegober goblins in EL are speaking the truth here. I mean we know them to have fun at are cost. The Lotto has suck my pocket change jar it a form of gambling. they have had games and things during the frostfall thingy.</P> <P>This could be one heck of a Bristlebane joke on us all because we don't take them as a loggical prophet. They do fit his followers. I would really think it be hard to believe a prophet of Bristlebane anyway. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i was thinking that same thing and all the gods the mentioned had prophets and where good/neutral and if i remember correctly bristlebane was on that list

[kyrr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mathias25 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kyrrah wrote:<BR> Well, I for one say thanks to Cusa. Most likely realizes that we just want the darn thing found!! We've been looking for how long?? But if the voice says drafling's not the prophet, then why are we bothering w/this?? Kinda like the gobs in EL I guess, an "oh that's kinda cool and mean" type of thing.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I would like to thank Rapha for initially finding the potential prophet and giving us clues so others could discover him as well.<BR><BR>"A sleeper" is probably the Drafling and he's just referring to himself in the 3rd person. He says he's not  the prophet so people leave him alone so he can..SLEEP.<BR><BR>Whoever's the 9th prophet, he / she has to represent a god that players can't worship in the upcoming expansion (Because there's only going to be 8 from how I understand it).  So my guess is that the Drafling (Half Dragon) is Veeshan's prophet?<BR><BR>I doubt the Drafling thing is a joke like the goblins.  Mainly because the goblins are funny and in a public area and the Drafling is tucked away in the back of Rivervale.  The Drafling is going to play some part in this or in some other event.<BR><BR>This is a quote from Vhalen on an old thread discussing the history of the Drafling back in February.  As you will see, Vhalen states how they have not forgotten about the Drafling for future plans.<BR><BR> <DIV>"The <B>Drafling</B> existed in original EQ lore. The groundwork for his possible EQLive existence could be found just outside of Rivervale in the Misty Thicket. In the thicket you can see a tower on the halfling side of the Wall. That was going to be his tower. One of his ogre servants actually made an appearance there, but most likely got pulled from the zone over the years.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the <B>Drafling</B> in the Age of Destiny... we have not forgotten about him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Note: Did you know the that the original spelling of '<B>Drafling</B>' was actually 'Dralfling'? Over the design years the he lost an 'L'."<BR><BR><BR>I don't know how the Drafling fits into Zebuxoruk's prophecies so this all can be wrong.  Just have to wait for events to start "unfolding."<BR></DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Here's what the offical atlas says about the tower of the drafling:</P> <P> </P> <P>"This ancient tower predates Rivervale by almost a century. It was erected by unknown craftsmen at the bidding of the Drafling.</P> <P>The people of Rivervale fear this being. They go to great lengths to avoid the tower even though the only known incident involving him was the vanquishing of a troll hag named Hagralazoo.</P> <P>Desiring to remain as far as possible from public curiosities, the Drafling has allowed a colony of bixies to remain attached to his dwelling. Their presence has a stong deterring effect on nosey Halflings.</P> <P>The bixies themselves continue their routine life of producing and refining Jum-Jum. Recently, a new queen has come to power-this queen was once a worker in Misty Thicket and has always been enthralled by the fairies that dwell there. Believing that there must be some way to incorporate the inherently magical nature and essence of these beings, the stone hive queen has invited a fairy noblewoman and her handmaidens to dwell in the hive as honored guests."</P> <P>When  you do the HQ By Hook or by Crook you're sent into the tower to find the Drafling, but he isn't home. Also I always wondered if it's a coincidence that Drafling is so similar to Halfling. Like maybe at one time he was a halfling but now he's somehow become an uber halfling so calls himself the drafling. <shrug> Just thought I'd put this out there.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kyrrah wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mathias25 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kyrrah wrote:<BR> Well, I for one say thanks to Cusa. Most likely realizes that we just want the darn thing found!! We've been looking for how long?? But if the voice says drafling's not the prophet, then why are we bothering w/this?? Kinda like the gobs in EL I guess, an "oh that's kinda cool and mean" type of thing.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I would like to thank Rapha for initially finding the potential prophet and giving us clues so others could discover him as well.<BR><BR>"A sleeper" is probably the Drafling and he's just referring to himself in the 3rd person. He says he's not  the prophet so people leave him alone so he can..SLEEP.<BR><BR>Whoever's the 9th prophet, he / she has to represent a god that players can't worship in the upcoming expansion (Because there's only going to be 8 from how I understand it).  So my guess is that the Drafling (Half Dragon) is Veeshan's prophet?<BR><BR>I doubt the Drafling thing is a joke like the goblins.  Mainly because the goblins are funny and in a public area and the Drafling is tucked away in the back of Rivervale.  The Drafling is going to play some part in this or in some other event.<BR><BR>This is a quote from Vhalen on an old thread discussing the history of the Drafling back in February.  As you will see, Vhalen states how they have not forgotten about the Drafling for future plans.<BR><BR> <DIV>"The <B>Drafling</B> existed in original EQ lore. The groundwork for his possible EQLive existence could be found just outside of Rivervale in the Misty Thicket. In the thicket you can see a tower on the halfling side of the Wall. That was going to be his tower. One of his ogre servants actually made an appearance there, but most likely got pulled from the zone over the years.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the <B>Drafling</B> in the Age of Destiny... we have not forgotten about him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Note: Did you know the that the original spelling of '<B>Drafling</B>' was actually 'Dralfling'? Over the design years the he lost an 'L'."<BR><BR><BR>I don't know how the Drafling fits into Zebuxoruk's prophecies so this all can be wrong.  Just have to wait for events to start "unfolding."<BR></DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Here's what the offical atlas says about the tower of the drafling:</P> <P> </P> <P>"This ancient tower predates Rivervale by almost a century. It was erected by unknown craftsmen at the bidding of the Drafling.</P> <P>The people of Rivervale fear this being. They go to great lengths to avoid the tower even though the only known incident involving him was the vanquishing of a troll hag named Hagralazoo.</P> <P>Desiring to remain as far as possible from public curiosities, the Drafling has allowed a colony of bixies to remain attached to his dwelling. Their presence has a stong deterring effect on nosey Halflings.</P> <P>The bixies themselves continue their routine life of producing and refining Jum-Jum. Recently, a new queen has come to power-this queen was once a worker in Misty Thicket and has always been enthralled by the fairies that dwell there. Believing that there must be some way to incorporate the inherently magical nature and essence of these beings, the stone hive queen has invited a fairy noblewoman and her handmaidens to dwell in the hive as honored guests."</P> <P>When  you do the HQ By Hook or by Crook you're sent into the tower to find the Drafling, but he isn't home. Also I always wondered if it's a coincidence that Drafling is so similar to Halfling. Like maybe at one time he was a halfling but now he's somehow <STRONG>become an uber halfling so calls himself the drafling.</STRONG> <shrug> Just thought I'd put this out there.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>nah he's half dragon half humanoid i think

[Wolfguard6]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Evilcow wrote:</P> <P>nah he's half dragon half humanoid i think<BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>A halfling is a humanoid a half of one, but humanoid.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>FYI: You can find a regular looking halfling on the very top of Drafling Tower in Rivervale. It's not possible to climb up, but at the right angle you can see him and target him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He says nothing other than his "not a prophet" message.</DIV>

[KniteShayd]

<P>If I was in game i'd post a screenie. :smileyindifferent:</P> <P>But am at work so can't. :smileysad:</P> <P>Screw the boo hoo on spoiling it, that was the initial point of this thread: to find out who and where they are...:smileyindifferent:</P> <P>I vote a screenie post, anyone else?  (especially those who have been on here discussing the issue for more than 5 posts)</P>

[Evilcow]

if this guy/thing realy is half halfling someone go there equiped with TONS of jumm jumm items thoughs halfings are addicted to the stuff :smileyvery-happy:

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR> if this guy/thing realy is half halfling someone go there equiped with TONS of jumm jumm items thoughs halfings are addicted to the stuff :smileyvery-happy:<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Gods, how i wish that this game was inter active like that.  In eqlive you could walk up to an NPC and give am an item, sometimes, if you were on a quest or just lucky, you'd get something in return.  I wish we could "bribe" npc's by giving them stuff like that, and get some sort of faction to get cool little items and trinkets. <ah, ah, ahh idea!>

[Siufu]

<div><blockquote><hr>KniteShayd wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Evilcow wrote: <div></div>if this guy/thing realy is half halfling someone go there equiped with TONS of jumm jumm items thoughs halfings are addicted to the stuff :smileyvery-happy: <hr> </blockquote>Gods, how i wish that this game was inter active like that.  In eqlive you could walk up to an NPC and give am an item, sometimes, if you were on a quest or just lucky, you'd get something in return.  I wish we could "bribe" npc's by giving them stuff like that, and get some sort of faction to get cool little items and trinkets. <ah, ah, ahh idea!><hr></blockquote>They could do it in similar way. Like in the CL Behemoth Lore quest, if you get a certain item in your inventory, the NPC respond to you differently.</div>

[Cirth_Beer]

bah even without the screenshot if people read this thread they know of what we are talking about ... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and i really wonders if this sleeper has something to do with the prophet thing ... at all ...<div></div>

[Jida]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cirth_Beer wrote:bah even without the screenshot if people read this thread they know of what we are talking about ... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and i really wonders if this sleeper has something to do with the prophet thing ... at all ...<div></div><hr></blockquote>Waiting for someone to PM me the details... Not having alot of time to go explore myself puts a damper on collecting lore =(.thats what i get for having kids .. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Evilcow]

i doubt the drafling is the ninth who would a dragon-halfling crossbreed be a prophet of?...wait is there a god or torment?i can see a the drafling being made fun of a lot thus torment :smileytongue: but then again there is nothing saying he is evil<BR>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR>i doubt the drafling is the ninth who would a dragon-halfling crossbreed be a prophet of?...wait is there a god or torment?i can see a the drafling being made fun of a lot thus torment :smileytongue: but then again there is nothing saying he is evil<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Saryrn, who is evil, but the Drafling isn't under any type of torment just because he's half drake for whatever reasons made him as such.</P>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Evilcow wrote:<BR>i doubt the drafling is the ninth who would a dragon-halfling crossbreed be a prophet of?...wait is there a god or torment?i can see a the drafling being made fun of a lot thus torment :smileytongue: but then again there is nothing saying he is evil<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Saryrn, who is evil, but the Drafling isn't under any type of torment just because he's half drake for whatever reasons made him as such.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>well im just saying usealy people who are different get made fun of and tormented

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Not when you have the power to make sure they never make fun of you. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A little fire in the behind tends to do the trink. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Defender of Antonia]

The message you get from Drafling happens when you approach the tower note that there is no real npc up thier to target

[louisepigen]

<DIV>Thats not true ... i was there with my troub and used track and there is an npc called "The sleeper" </DIV> <DIV>I cant see him from where i was standing but looks like he is up near the top of the tower.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>as I mentioned earlier, he's on the very top of the tower, and you can target him if you zoom out all the way and just get the right angle. He doesn't say anything different though.</DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

All throughout the pages of this thread, people have commented on how if we ever found Bristlebane's prophet that the said prophet would probably be playing a game or passed out drunk somewhere or hidden.  Now that we found someone who fits the profile, people are very quick to dismiss him as a possibility..../boggleAnd before I get any replies saying, "But that would be stupid if they let Bristlebane in as a god who isn't worshipable." please show me exactly where a developer says there are ONLY going to be 8 gods worshipable at the time EoF comes out.  I have yet to see it but am willing to admit I"m wrong if someone can find a quote.<div></div>

[Emerix]

there you go raynie .<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR>I'm impressed with a lot of the thought going into this, and some people are pretty much right on the money. No, I'm not giving any hints as to who or what!<BR><BR>I do want to mention that there will be eight deities that people will be able to worship in Echoes of Faydwer. Many people here already have them correct, but here's a comprehensive list:<BR><BR>Good:<BR> <UL> <LI>Mithaniel Marr</LI> <LI>Quellious</LI> <LI>Tunare</LI></UL><BR>Neutral:<BR> <UL> <LI>Brell Serilis</LI> <LI>Solusek Ro</LI></UL><BR>Evil:<BR> <UL> <LI>Cazic Thule</LI> <LI>Innoruuk</LI> <LI>Rallos Zek</LI></UL>The ninth prophet and deity will have much more to do with the unfolding events in Norrath - Zebuxoruk bears much wisdom with respect to events to come. Some prophecies may be difficult to read into without some knowledge of the event in question. Such is the case with the mysterious, I suppose!<BR><BR>With how important a character's deity can be to the personality of the character, I know it's important to have the correct information so as not to be disappointed down the road. Having said that, I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised with the effects of worshipping a deity and the role it will play in each player's experience.<BR><BR>I wish everyone good luck in the search for wider deific presence on Norrath, especially over the coming months!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[RaphaNissi]

I fail to see where it says ONLY 8.  It confirms the 8 people had speculated on.  Nothing more, nothing less.  <div></div>

[Emerix]

<P>I do want to mention <STRONG><U><EM>that there will be eight deities that people will be able to worship</EM> </U></STRONG>in Echoes of Faydwer</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Defender of Antonia]

<DIV>Where exactly is the halfling Ive used see stealth and made it to the top of the tower unless hes invis I can't seem to find him</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3041/eq2000001sf8.jpg" target=_blank>http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3041/eq2000001sf8.jpg</A></DIV><p>Message Edited by Defender of Antonia on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:24 AM</span>

[RaphaNissi]

"There will be only 8 dieties..."  or "There will be at least 8 dieties.." are both defining statements.  "There will be 8 dieties..." obviously leaves room for interpretation.  I'm pretty sure it's stated that way for a reason.  <div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Defender of Antonia wrote:<div></div> <div>Where exactly is the halfling Ive used see stealth and made it to the top of the tower unless hes invis I can't seem to find him</div> <div> </div> <div><a href="http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3041/eq2000001sf8.jpg" target="_blank">http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3041/eq2000001sf8.jpg</a></div><p>Message Edited by Defender of Antonia on <span class="date_text">07-29-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:24 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I personally could only see him when he talked.  All that can be seen is "a sleeper."</div>

[Kenazeer]

<blockquote><hr>RaphaNissi wrote:"There will be only 8 dieties..."  or "There will be at least 8 dieties.." are both defining statements.  "There will be 8 dieties..." obviously leaves room for interpretation.  I'm pretty sure it's stated that way for a reason.  <div></div><hr></blockquote>The full paragraph quote is: <font color="#ffff00">I do want to mention that there will be eight deities that people will be able to worship in Echoes of Faydwer. Many people here already have them correct, but here's a comprehensive list: <font color="#ffffff">In this context I take comprehenisve to mean complete. I guess others could interpret it differently.</font> </font><div></div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Kenazeer wrote:<blockquote><hr>RaphaNissi wrote:"There will be only 8 dieties..."  or "There will be at least 8 dieties.." are both defining statements.  "There will be 8 dieties..." obviously leaves room for interpretation.  I'm pretty sure it's stated that way for a reason.  <div></div><hr></blockquote>The full paragraph quote is: <font color="#ffff00">I do want to mention that there will be eight deities that people will be able to worship in Echoes of Faydwer. Many people here already have them correct, but here's a comprehensive list: <font color="#ffffff">In this context I take comprehenisve to mean complete. I guess others could interpret it differently.</font> </font><div></div><hr>/nod  That does make more sense.  It could also be interpreted as it's a complete list of the ones we have found already and not just a complete list of all the dieties they have coming at launch.  My main point in all this is that we need to be careful what we start stating as fact when there is room for interpretation.  I just would expect them to release a full diety list and description somewhere other than on a post buried deep in the History and Lore boards.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote></div>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kenazeer wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR>"There will be only 8 dieties..."  or "There will be at least 8 dieties.." are both defining statements.  "There will be 8 dieties..." obviously leaves room for interpretation.  I'm pretty sure it's stated that way for a reason.  <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The full paragraph quote is:<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>I do want to mention that there will be eight deities that people will be able to worship in Echoes of Faydwer. Many people here already have them correct, but here's a comprehensive list:<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffffff>In this context I take comprehenisve to mean complete. I guess others could interpret it differently.</FONT><BR></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>From reading that, I take it to mean:  Here's a comprehensive list of the 8 that people will be able to worship.  Whether this is all of them or not, we will not reveal until EoF beta comes closer.

[VizP]

<div></div><div></div>Actually Im afraid i dont see anyway to interpret that reasonably than the 'simple' fact that there are EIGHT and that is the list.Quote:<font color="#ffff00">I do want to mention that there will be eight deities that people will be able to worship in Echoes of Faydwer. Many people here already have them correct, but here's a comprehensive list:---<font color="#ffffff">1/ There will be eight deities that people will be able to worship. Yes it doesnt say there will be ONLY eight deities one will be able to worship but that is already IMPLIED lol, other wise just what exactly was the point ot stating the magical number 'eight'? After all if there are more, did the devloper take the number 'eight' out of a hat for you? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />2/ The comprehensive list that then followed was that of the 'eight' that we are going to be able to play.3/ Another developer quote already stated that if YOUR favourite god is not on that list, DO NOT worry since they may be added in future adventure packs and expansions. (I won't trawl through this thread to find it, you are free to look for it because its there - mostly to do with concerns over Bristlebane and Karana).The last part especially sums it up for you. Here are your eight,  you are not getting more - you likely will in the future. I am sure the developers find it very amusing how people can look at such a clear statement and still find a way to interpret it differently to keep their hopes up <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Remember, almsot every statement can be left open to interpretation unless the writer takes the utmost care to ensure every single word is in place correctly. I don't think the developer in question here ever thought that he needed the word 'only' (and he didnt either reasonably speaking since his statement was pretty clear) but then as we have just shown in this thread, he is being exposed to people who are super sceptical here until it hits them in the face <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:32 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Defender of Antonia wrote:<BR> <DIV>Where exactly is the halfling Ive used see stealth and made it to the top of the tower unless hes invis I can't seem to find him</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3041/eq2000001sf8.jpg" target=_blank>http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3041/eq2000001sf8.jpg</A></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Defender of Antonia on <SPAN class=date_text>07-29-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:24 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>How the heck did you get up there!???

[DynamicPerforman]

<DIV>I'm warry of taking anything illuide says at face value.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8575&page=2" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8575&page=2</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As you can see, unless he says something explicitly, he didn't say it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dynamicman out...</DIV>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<div><blockquote><hr>DynamicPerformance wrote:<div>I'm warry of taking anything illuide says at face value.</div> <div> </div> <div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8575&page=2" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=8575&page=2</a></div> <div> </div> <div>As you can see, unless he says something explicitly, he didn't say it.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Dynamicman out...</div><hr></blockquote>Exactly.</div>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaphaNissi wrote:<BR>I fail to see where it says ONLY 8.  It confirms the 8 people had speculated on.  Nothing more, nothing less.  <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>thats what ive been trying to tell theese people but do they listen to the gnome? no they don't :smileytongue:

[Defender of Antonia]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Defender of Antonia wrote:<BR> <DIV>Where exactly is the halfling Ive used see stealth and made it to the top of the tower unless hes invis I can't seem to find him</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3041/eq2000001sf8.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3041/eq2000001sf8.jpg</FONT></A></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Defender of Antonia on <SPAN class=date_text><FONT color=#756b56>07-29-2006</FONT></SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:24 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>How the heck did you get up there!??? </DIV> <DIV><U>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 </U></DIV> <DIV><U></U> </DIV> <DIV>About 30 mins of jumping from the back window onto one of the spikes onto an invisable ledge and after about 100 tries getting onto the bee hive</DIV>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>Here's a thought on the ninth god.  It's supposed to be part of the storyline of EoF,  so what if it doesn't start as a choosable diety, but becomes an option when someone first completes the over-arching story (EoF's equivilent of the prismatic questline.)<div></div>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR> Here's a thought on the ninth god.  It's supposed to be part of the storyline of EoF,  so what if it doesn't start as a choosable diety, but becomes an option when someone first completes the over-arching story (EoF's equivilent of the prismatic questline.)<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>whats prismatic quest do? all i have heard is that its a pain in the tooshie<BR>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>If the developers were smart, in my oppinion, they'll avoid another rediculous Prismatic/Peacock/Claymore line of quests that require insane group requirements to retrieve super rare updates from super powerful mobs in the deepest parts of the dungeons of the new expansion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Peacock line was fun. It was soloable for the most part and not very difficult after that, but the Claymore line requires a group the very moment you set foot inside Sanctum of the Scaleborn, and it only gets worse from there.</DIV>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>If the developers were smart, in my oppinion, they'll avoid another rediculous Prismatic/Peacock/Claymore line of quests that require insane group requirements to retrieve super rare updates from super powerful mobs in the deepest parts of the dungeons of the new expansion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Peacock line was fun. It was soloable for the most part and not very difficult after that, <STRONG>but the Claymore line requires a group the very moment you set foot inside Sanctum of the Scaleborn, and it only gets worse from there</STRONG>.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i am level 39 and i have been down to the second level of scaleborn a group of my level 65 + guildies died before i did lol

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>... that only makes sense if you were "following" them. Either way, at that point of the quest, you have to group up to get almost everything accomplished regardless of what class you are.</DIV>

[Evilcow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>... that only makes sense if you were "following" them. Either way, at that point of the quest, you have to group up to get almost everything accomplished regardless of what class you are.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>lol yeah i followed them and out lasted them got to SoS on my own tho<p>Message Edited by Evilcow on <span class=date_text>07-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:01 PM</span>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Evilcow wrote:<blockquote><hr>Mirander wrote:<div></div>Here's a thought on the ninth god.  It's supposed to be part of the storyline of EoF,  so what if it doesn't start as a choosable diety, but becomes an option when someone first completes the over-arching story (EoF's equivilent of the prismatic questline.)<div></div><hr></blockquote>whats prismatic quest do? all i have heard is that its a pain in the tooshie<hr></blockquote>What I mean is that the prismatic was a big part of the over-arching storyline for the original release of EQ2.  That story may have ended with level 50s killing Darathar, but it began with level 1s having their ship attacked by drakota</div>

[Zabjade]

<blockquote><hr>Astralmage wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Zabjade wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Astralmage wrote: <div></div> <div>The Nameless doesn't represent anything. The Nameless just <em>is. </em>How would you even go about worshipping the Nameless?</div> <hr> </blockquote><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">I see so you would compliment a part of a painting for the mere fact that exists, rather then step back, admire the whole painting and compliment the artist.Creation itself a pretty big representation. </font></font></font> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>You missed my point. What does the Nameless stand for? What does the Nameless teach? How can you go about worshipping the Nameless at all?<hr></blockquote><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">In my honest opinion, the Creation of all, and the end.  The beginning and the end, or is that the End of the Beginning? <span>:smileywink:</span> I'm not a Dev so I can't officially awnser that, maybe through acts of creation such as tradeskilling and giving items to others who need them randomly <i>(might additionally be a good way to empty my trash tradeskill items that won't sell)</i>, or destruction of things that  that should have had an end and linger on. wether through destruction of the entity or rebirth. </font></font></font><div></div>

[kyrr]

<P><FONT color=#6633ff size=3>Sing it with me!  This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends, some people started posting to it not knowing what it was and they'll keep posting on it forever just because this is the thread that never ends yes it goes on and on my friends........(repeat endlessly)</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#6633ff size=3></FONT> </P> <P>:smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Scarrlette]

Try to stay on topic please!  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[backtostart]

<P>"cleft in twine at the dawn of time, the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end" </P> <P>i think this is talking about the elfs and dark elfs uniteing to fight this god. I think this because all dark elfs are decnded from high elf and all high elf are decended from dark elf. The elf king and queen were kidnapped by innorruk and corupted so the are all intertwined and related to each other since the dawn of time.</P> <P> </P> <P>The hissing of the serpent... line i think refers to cazic thule or the sleeper</P> <P>I think the lord of darkness line refers to lucilin</P> <P>Crimson lord i think is naggafen</P> <P>She who represents the forbiden two shall start the march of fate, refers to veeshan i think</P> <P>Once more her allies will give thought to the life anew, refers to tunare i think</P> <P>Forever the comander, refers to rallos zek i think</P> <P>just something to think about</P>

[Methriln]

<DIV>what about the guy by the nq gate talking about if the god of love or who ever it was was here could he have anything to do with it?I mean being the 9th prophet</DIV><p>Message Edited by Nethirln on <span class=date_text>08-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:34 AM</span>

[VizP]

Just a quick point on the prismatic quest - one reason to do an important 'event' quest like this is that it sticks into your characters bio. I have walked around Norrath and often I get an extra option to indicate to npcs that my character was the hero that saved the world and defeated Darathar. Good to see the devs added that acknowledgement outside just quest/status reward as a permanent aspect!<div></div>

[Coccinea_Maga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nethirln wrote:<BR> <DIV>what about the guy by the nq gate talking about if the god of love or who ever it was was here could he have anything to do with it?I mean being the 9th prophet</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Nethirln on <SPAN class=date_text>08-01-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:34 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That gentleman (and his sister in the Commanlands) was part of the Erollisi (Valentine's) Day quests.

[shadowscale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> VizP wrote:<BR>Just a quick point on the prismatic quest - one reason to do an important 'event' quest like this is that it sticks into your characters bio. I have walked around Norrath and often I get an extra option to indicate to npcs that my character was the hero that saved the world and defeated Darathar. Good to see the devs added that acknowledgement outside just quest/status reward as a permanent aspect!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>they do? never noticed it before but that sounds neat. what npc's exactly?

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Just common everyday NPC's found inside the cities and villages. They say different things whenever you walk around with any of the Suffix Titles of:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Of the Shard" (Prismatic quest)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"The Treasure Hunter" (5 Heritage quests)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"The Lore Seeker" (10 Heritage Quests)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"The Relic Keeper" (20 Heritage quests)</DIV>

[ironman2000]

Just out of curiousity, if you are a Dark Elf Warden or Fury in Freeport, who would you worship?  I would like to see Karana as the third neutral choice for the simple fact, that way furies and wardens in freeport could worship a force of nature type god.

[Renita_Serafim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ironman2000 wrote:<BR> Just out of curiousity, if you are a Dark Elf Warden or Fury in Freeport, who would you worship?  I would like to see Karana as the third neutral choice for the simple fact, that way furies and wardens in freeport could worship a force of nature type god.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Out of the available gods, I'd say that Brell would be a good choice for a Freeport based Teir'Dal Druid, being a god of the Underfoot (sorta nature related).

[ironman2000]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ironman2000 wrote:<BR> Just out of curiousity, if you are a Dark Elf Warden or Fury in Freeport, who would you worship?  I would like to see Karana as the third neutral choice for the simple fact, that way furies and wardens in freeport could worship a force of nature type god.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Out of the available gods, I'd say that Brell would be a good choice for a Freeport based Teir'Dal Druid, being a god of the Underfoot (sorta nature related).<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I guess maybe Solusek Ro too, being he is technically a force of nature, fire is a force of nature too, so that covers earth and fire, thanks for that suggestion <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Any dark elf, regardless of thier chosen class, is not a dark elf if they don't worship Innoruuk if given the choice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That goes for druids as well.</DIV>

[Dragonreal]

dark elves aren't the only classes that choose druid in fp.. heck I have a frog fury in fp because I just plain did not like qeynos but wanted a frog. so I now have my main and a high lvl alt without what I feel is an appropriate god for either of them (unless exiles are allowed to worship any god). no one should be pigeonholed into having only 1 diety choice that fits their char without having to stretch for it or come to a compromise in the person's mind about it.. and that's what's happening to the fp druids imo.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>You know what? I've just realized something with this whole debate over what gods should or should not be allowed for a person of a certain race, class, or alignment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is just back when EQ2 came out and they announced that all races can play as all classes. Many people, myself especially, thought it wasn't fair or right for certain races to be allowed to be certain classes. Case in point, it's still a crime against nature for anyone shorter than 4 feet to be a monk. It's a disgrace to the class itself given the racial history of the gnomes, Halflings, Dwarves, and to a lesser extent, the frogloks and ratonga.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But things have changed now. The Race All Class All thing no longer matters because when it comes right down to it, the race no longer factors in anything important to how powerful the class is. (Unless they're humans, because Humans are superior to all <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But now we ARE faced with a restriction. The exact opposite is now happening because the ability to worship a god is restricted by your alignment and the initial choices of the gods at the very start.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If everyone was able to worship any god regardless of race, class, or alignment, it wouldn't be an issue when it comes to roleplaying.</DIV>

[Methriln]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Coccinea_Maga wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nethirln wrote:<BR> <DIV>what about the guy by the nq gate talking about if the god of love or who ever it was was here could he have anything to do with it?I mean being the 9th prophet</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Nethirln on <SPAN class=date_text>08-01-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:34 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That gentleman (and his sister in the Commanlands) was part of the Erollisi (Valentine's) Day quests.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>ah thought they got rid off all those npcs and this was a new 1

[Jaale]

<P>Hmmm what if it doesn't matter what God you pick they each have God specific spells/miracles/items for each of the four different sub classes Mage/warrior/scout/healer meaning that you can pick the god you want without loosing anything in the way of ability's?</P> <P>so a Dark elf warrior can worship Inny without any worry of getting spells/miracles/items that are less effective for his class because he didn't pick Zek? (not cookie cutter of each though)</P> <P>It might be a little suspect from a law point of view, but could be dealt with by the gods wanting their worshipper being the strongest no matter what class they are.</P> <P>That would stop a lot of the complaining about Classes not having a god for them on their side of the divide.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Its official now. (I mean it this time)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>Brekkee: *MethX* Have you all decided on the type of Gods for EOF?</DIV> <DIV><BR>Lyndro: I’ll assume you mean which gods are available for worship. On the Good side you’ll have <STRONG>Tunare, Mithaniel Marr, and Quellious. On the Evil side you’ll have Cazic, Rallos, and Innoruuk. For neutral (Available for either alignment) you’ll have Brell, and Solusek Ro.</STRONG><BR>Lyndro: At least to start with, the system is very portable, so we expect to continue to add more gods as the story progresses.<BR></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P> </P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=105744#M105744" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=105744#M105744</A></P> <P> </P> <P>Just to reassure everyone, here's an official statement that there will only be 8 gods, and which gods at that.</P>

[Nai]

<font color="#ff0000"><font size="4"><font face="Garamond">So did anyone see the gag 9th prophet in EL yet?It took forever to read all his text because I was laughing over it all. Great comedy...BTW, that comment from house of commons really can't 100% be taken as there will only be 8 Gods for sure. If they're keeping the 9th under wraps, they're not going to state it until its time - the Keeper of Secrets has always been accurate if not a little vague about things, and he calls them the 9.</font></font></font><div></div>

[Jida]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Its official now. (I mean it this time)</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> <hr> </div> <div>Brekkee: *MethX* Have you all decided on the type of Gods for EOF?</div> <div>Lyndro: I’ll assume you mean which gods are available for worship. On the Good side you’ll have <strong>Tunare, Mithaniel Marr, and Quellious. On the Evil side you’ll have Cazic, Rallos, and Innoruuk. For neutral (Available for either alignment) you’ll have Brell, and Solusek Ro.</strong>Lyndro: At least to start with, the system is very portable, so we expect to continue to add more gods as the story progresses.</div> <div> <hr> </div> <p><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=105744#M105744" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=105744#M105744</a></p> <p>Just to reassure everyone, here's an official statement that there will only be 8 gods, and which gods at that.</p><hr></blockquote><hr size="2" width="100%">cut from that chat: Brekkee: *MethX* Have you all decided on the type of Gods for EOF? Lyndro: ’ll assume you mean which gods are <b>available for worship</b>. On the Good side you’ll have Tunare, Mithaniel Marr, and Quellious. On the Evil side you’ll have Cazic, Rallos, and Innoruuk. For neutral (Available for either alignment) you’ll have Brell, and Solusek Ro. Lyndro: At least to start with, the system is very portable, so we expect to continue to add more gods as the story progresses.<hr size="2" width="100%">Just cuz their is only 8 worshipable ... doesnt mean there is only going to be 8.. the 9nth may be there at launch.. but be one that the other 8 are fighting, or just not worshipable.. /giggle.. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by Jida on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:54 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jida wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Its official now. (I mean it this time)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>Brekkee: *MethX* Have you all decided on the type of Gods for EOF?</DIV> <DIV><BR>Lyndro: I’ll assume you mean which gods are available for worship. On the Good side you’ll have <STRONG>Tunare, Mithaniel Marr, and Quellious. On the Evil side you’ll have Cazic, Rallos, and Innoruuk. For neutral (Available for either alignment) you’ll have Brell, and Solusek Ro.</STRONG><BR>Lyndro: At least to start with, the system is very portable, so we expect to continue to add more gods as the story progresses.<BR></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P> </P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=105744#M105744" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=105744#M105744</A></P> <P> </P> <P>Just to reassure everyone, here's an official statement that there will only be 8 gods, and which gods at that.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> cut from that chat:<BR><BR>Brekkee: *MethX* Have you all decided on the type of Gods for EOF?<BR>Lyndro: ’ll assume you mean which gods are <B>available for worship</B>. On the Good side you’ll have Tunare, Mithaniel Marr, and Quellious. On the Evil side you’ll have Cazic, Rallos, and Innoruuk. For neutral (Available for either alignment) you’ll have Brell, and Solusek Ro.<BR>Lyndro: At least to start with, the system is very portable, so we expect to continue to add more gods as the story progresses.<BR> <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> <BR>Just cuz their is only 8 worshipable ... doesnt mean there is only going to be 8.. the 9nth may be there at launch.. but be one that the other 8 are fighting, or just not worshipable.. <BR><BR>/giggle.. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Jida on <SPAN class=date_text>08-04-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:54 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ok seriously, do you really need to split hairs? How obvious is it to figure that out? seriously?<BR>

[Jida]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div>Ok seriously, do you really need to split hairs? How obvious is it to figure that out? seriously?<hr></blockquote>Not splitting hairs..and it took me at least 40 seconds.. im slow today =)</div>

[syous01]

<blockquote><hr>Naica wrote:<font color="#ff0000"><font size="4"><font face="Garamond">So did anyone see the gag 9th prophet in EL yet?It took forever to read all his text because I was laughing over it all. Great comedy...BTW, that comment from house of commons really can't 100% be taken as there will only be 8 Gods for sure. If they're keeping the 9th under wraps, they're not going to state it until its time - the Keeper of Secrets has always been accurate if not a little vague about things, and he calls them the 9.</font></font></font><div></div><hr></blockquote>Yea I just hailed him, pretty funny stuff.<div></div>

[kyth]

<div></div>    Not sure if this was asked before but, why wouldnt Zebuxoruk be the 9th god?  He might not have all his godly powers but he is still a god.  Perhaps he is his own herald?  He is neutral after all, isnt he?<div></div><p>Message Edited by kythik on <span class=date_text>08-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:05 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Already confirmed he's not.</DIV>

[kyth]

    ahh if it was in these 28 pages of posts i must have missed it.<div></div>