LU 16 :):)

Zoren Northwood · 11-04-2005, 07:11 AM

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=85

Sigil? Fixed.

Consecrate? Fixed.

Shield factor display? Fixed.

Divine Favor? Improved.

Blessing of the Peninent? Improved.

Great stuff!

Plurke · 11-04-2005, 08:17 AM

okay that's at least like a update should be fixed, let's hope it indeed works now that would be very nice and finally after nagging a whole year we finally can put something in our ranged slot

Lockeye · 11-04-2005, 08:19 AM

*** Ranged Slot Equipment *** - Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot. - These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer.

MeridianR · 11-04-2005, 08:27 AM

Lockeye wrote:*** Ranged Slot Equipment *** - Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot. - These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer.

That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis. Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi?

evhallion · 11-04-2005, 08:42 AM

MeridianR wrote:

Lockeye wrote:
*** Ranged Slot Equipment ***

- Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot.
- These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer.

That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis.

Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi?

I was under the impression the Crusader classes used spells as a fighter/mage hybred so wouldn't +int & +wis be of help? Or do you just focus more on the fighter than the mage side?

MeridianR · 11-04-2005, 08:47 AM

To me (since I tank mainly) - Str and Sta > Int and Wis. I already have over 300 wisdom in most groups when I MT. So the +sta / +str are more important to me for tanking. Others might feel different, but since Warriors get +str/+Sta I believe we (Crusaders as a whole not just Pallys) should get the same.

Plurke · 11-04-2005, 08:52 AM

i'm already glad finally we have our ranged slot and i even believe we will be able to make orbs for those like vanadium, pearl ones that increases str sta and agi i believe. but i don't know if those will be already in this update maybe we just have to wait a whole year again but i'm glad finally we can put something in our ranged slot cause a increase who tiny also is still a increase but your right that most now are wis or int based, so i'm hoping that those orbs are going to be implemented soon cause then i want a jeweler to make the vanadium one

Belario · 11-04-2005, 08:55 AM

Doubtful. They are simply making the slots available. Probably new items will be available in the future. Also bear in mind, it's not a total disaster for Crusaders to have INT and WIS as that's their spell attack bonus and partial power pool/resistances, respectively.

Plurke · 11-04-2005, 09:01 AM

what do they mean with this spell now

Crusader changes:
- Doom Judgement now deals more damage, and instead of a 2% DPS debuff, it now dispels arcane and noxious-based buffs on anyone struck by it.

so we get a increase in dmg and then dps debuff is replaced with dispels arcane and noxious based buff on anyone struck by it what does it mean that i can cure myself from arcane and noxious spells who inflicted on also on others. or 'm i totally mistaken

Lyrus · 11-04-2005, 09:21 AM

I'm a guardian here, but after giving a friend a pearl to get made into an orb, I was impressed by the stats, as there's a huge Increase in HP and power, as well as a bonus to all arcane resistances and a boost in mitigation to boot. I suspect they'll be looking for a second pearl to get made into an orb for a double shot of the sweetness. Anything's better than the nothing you previously had.

Seolta · 11-04-2005, 10:01 AM

MeridianR wrote:

Lockeye wrote:
*** Ranged Slot Equipment ***

- Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot.
- These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer.

That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis.

Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi?

You want tablets then.

Pathin Merrithay · 11-04-2005, 10:26 AM

Seolta wrote:

MeridianR wrote:

Lockeye wrote:
*** Ranged Slot Equipment ***

- Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot.
- These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer.

That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis.

Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi?

You want tablets then.

Or something like the Pristine Fashioned Cobalt Idol...

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=80603

And for those that don't have access to the EQ2 Item database;

+9 Agi, +9 Sta, +10 Str, +84 power, +60 vs Divine, Slashing, Crushing, Piercing, Heat, Cold, Mental, Poison, Disease.

PLUS, they'll be implementing more items specifically for Crusaders at a later date, but when I just got an item like this to fall in my lap? I think everyone should be just about done complaining now.

Plurke · 11-04-2005, 10:53 AM

thx saffira for the info some nice stats

MeridianR · 11-04-2005, 10:59 AM

Pathin Merrithay wrote:

Seolta wrote:

MeridianR wrote:

Lockeye wrote:*** Ranged Slot Equipment ***- Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot.- These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer.

That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis.Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi?

You want tablets then.

Or something like the Pristine Fashioned Cobalt Idol...

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=80603

And for those that don't have access to the EQ2 Item database;

+9 Agi, +9 Sta, +10 Str, +84 power, +60 vs Divine, Slashing, Crushing, Piercing, Heat, Cold, Mental, Poison, Disease.

PLUS, they'll be implementing more items specifically for Crusaders at a later date, but when I just got an item like this to fall in my lap? I think everyone should be just about done complaining now.

Ah. now that I like. Good job finding it, and thanks.

Sykophrog · 11-04-2005, 12:05 PM

Level 60 jeweler here and just an FYI to all you crusaders.. Look up the player crafted T6 symbols (yeah I know its high level but its the only teir that was made when they were thinking of you crusader types), a LOT of the indium/cobalt and beryllium/vanadium player crafted symbols have AGI STR and STA. Not sure what all the stats are.. but you can look them up in the item database.

There is the following:

Indium/Cobalt Idol (seems to be the best for crusaders with str/agi/sta)

Indium/Cobalt Tablet

Indium/Cobalt Censer

Beryllium/Vanadium Symbol

Nacre/Pearl Orb (the orb is just wis/int if I remember right)

The Mad Ribbiter

Cykophrog Phartzalott, 43 Inquisitor / 60 Jeweler on Permafrost

QuaiCon · 11-04-2005, 02:17 PM

Paladins are more specialised against tanking caster mobs with the wis bonus from defensive stance we get some of the highest base resists so i think a +wis +sta item would be best for a paladin. On the case of damage bonuses our combat arts get bonus damage from str, our spells get bonus damage from int (thats why they changed our offensive stance so that it now adds to both stats). Which leaves us in the potiion that we need int additionally to the stats a warrior needs (mainly sta, str, wis as agi bonus to defense is no longer important for plate tanks).

Swedemon · 11-04-2005, 07:31 PM

I'm a jeweler and am excited to start making these items for friends. Here are a few T6 options... For crusaders I recommend the Pristine Fashioned Cobalt Tablet: 9agi, 9sta, 10str, 84hp, 60vs-all For most mages and priests I recommend the Pristine Fashioned Pearl Orb: 14int, 14wis, 84pwr, 60vs-all For casters that in normal circumstances max out Wis or Int I recommend the Pristine Fashioned Cobalt Censer: 9wis, 9int, 10sta, 84pwr, 60vs-all As a 60 warden my wis is maxed (440) so I'll be grabbing the censer for the added Int and Sta. The Idol is mildly tempting as it has power with the tank stats sta, agi and str. Lots of options!

Nurta · 11-04-2005, 07:49 PM

Pathin Merrithay wrote:

Seolta wrote:

MeridianR wrote:

Lockeye wrote:
*** Ranged Slot Equipment ***

- Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot.
- These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer.

That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis.

Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi?

You want tablets then.

Or something like the Pristine Fashioned Cobalt Idol...

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=80603

And for those that don't have access to the EQ2 Item database;

+9 Agi, +9 Sta, +10 Str, +84 power, +60 vs Divine, Slashing, Crushing, Piercing, Heat, Cold, Mental, Poison, Disease.

PLUS, they'll be implementing more items specifically for Crusaders at a later date, but when I just got an item like this to fall in my lap? I think everyone should be just about done complaining now.

Oooooh nice find. Thank you. /mines like a mad woman!

Jonaroth · 11-04-2005, 08:25 PM

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] this rocks soooo muchhh!

Crib92 · 11-04-2005, 08:47 PM

As a Pally and a Jeweler the ranged slot is awesome! I do have a question for you testers out there:

This was one bullet in the 16b update.

Sigil of Heroism now ignores anyone that already has the Redemption line on them.

Has this been tested and does it fix the aggro problem? I'm lvl 54 pally and I've avoided even buying this spell because of all the negative press.

Would like to hear the results of testing.

Whitefang, 54 Pally

Faydark

Queen Alexandria · 11-04-2005, 08:57 PM

MeridianR wrote:To me (since I tank mainly) - Str and Sta > Int and Wis. I already have over 300 wisdom in most groups when I MT. So the +sta / +str are more important to me for tanking. Others might feel different, but since Warriors get +str/+Sta I believe we (Crusaders as a whole not just Pallys) should get the same.

You are kidding right? Strenght does nothing for tanking, agility has little to no impact on avoidance and stamina is easily capped. When i tank, i make sure my mitigation, hitpoints (this means raw hitpoints from items) and wisdom (resists) are up there. Having int and wisdom balances it, the orbs will provide the right stats that we need to do our offensive and defensive very well. Intelligence lets us nuke, proc and AoE for higher damage and the wisdom gives us a slight improvement in mitigating spell damage.The question that i ask though is, why do orbs say Shield Factor 0 when there is ineeded no shield factor on them?

MeridianR · 11-04-2005, 09:37 PM

Queen Alexandria wrote:
MeridianR wrote:To me (since I tank mainly) - Str and Sta > Int and Wis. I already have over 300 wisdom in most groups when I MT. So the +sta / +str are more important to me for tanking. Others might feel different, but since Warriors get +str/+Sta I believe we (Crusaders as a whole not just Pallys) should get the same.
You are kidding right? Strenght does nothing for tanking, agility has little to no impact on avoidance and stamina is easily capped. When i tank, i make sure my mitigation, hitpoints (this means raw hitpoints from items) and wisdom (resists) are up there. Having int and wisdom balances it, the orbs will provide the right stats that we need to do our offensive and defensive very well. Intelligence lets us nuke, proc and AoE for higher damage and the wisdom gives us a slight improvement in mitigating spell damage.The question that i ask though is, why do orbs say Shield Factor 0 when there is ineeded no shield factor on them?

Your kidding me right? Strength means nothing in tanking?....To me +int means nothing to me in tanking, since you have group members (or raid members) who are providing the DPS while you control aggro. +str gives us more power, and higher auto attack, which is mainly the only form of attacking we are doing on named/epics. +wis after we have Crusade and Faithful Benediction on, is also un-needed since even with mediocre buffs we have a ton of Wisdom +sta gives us more HP, which is our biggest downfall over other tanks as it is +agi well a llittle more avoidence doesn't really matter, so I can see that Tanking to me, is pure defensive. I have supporting classes to pump out the dps, and auto attacking should be fine.

Kale · 11-04-2005, 09:47 PM

MeridianR wrote:
You are kidding right? Strenght does nothing for tanking, agility has little to no impact on avoidance and stamina is easily capped. When i tank, i make sure my mitigation, hitpoints (this means raw hitpoints from items) and wisdom (resists) are up there. Having int and wisdom balances it, the orbs will provide the right stats that we need to do our offensive and defensive very well. Intelligence lets us nuke, proc and AoE for higher damage and the wisdom gives us a slight improvement in mitigating spell damage.
Your kidding me right? Strength means nothing in tanking?....To me +int means nothing to me in tanking, since you have group members (or raid members) who are providing the DPS while you control aggro. +str gives us more power, and higher auto attack, which is mainly the only form of attacking we are doing on named/epics. +wis after we have Crusade and Faithful Benediction on, is also un-needed since even with mediocre buffs we have a ton of Wisdom +sta gives us more HP, which is our biggest downfall over other tanks as it is +agi well a llittle more avoidence doesn't really matter, so I can see that Tanking to me, is pure defensive. I have supporting classes to pump out the dps, and auto attacking should be fine.

Agreed with Meridian. STA/STR all the way.

Anzak · 11-04-2005, 10:28 PM

I normally go STA/AGI/WIS/STR in that order. While Max AGI is only going to give you 6% extra avoidance at level 60 that is still a fair amount. Since my Wis is the highest I attribute 99% of the time I worry less about this as well as most tank gear gives STR so that is always pretty high for me. Focusing on STA and AGI lets me work focus on my weaker areas. Int while it is nice to have I don't actually look for it in an item. If I get an item that gives me some extra int that is just a bonus to me. I will say this though Crusaders are really the only class that require all stats to be high since we need stats like a guard for tanking but at the same time we need int and wis just like casters and healers. You have more of a balancing act with a pally than you do with other classes.

Tendonit · 11-04-2005, 10:31 PM

hmm nvm

Message Edited by Tendonitis on 11-04-2005 09:32 AM

Coho1 · 11-04-2005, 10:59 PM

Woot! I getting a pearl orb made.:smileyhappy::smileyhappy:

Kale · 11-05-2005, 12:24 AM

Very cool patch changes. Finally, some Paladin issues addressed.

Queen Alexandria · 11-05-2005, 02:05 AM

MeridianR wrote:
Queen Alexandria wrote:
MeridianR wrote:To me (since I tank mainly) - Str and Sta > Int and Wis. I already have over 300 wisdom in most groups when I MT. So the +sta / +str are more important to me for tanking. Others might feel different, but since Warriors get +str/+Sta I believe we (Crusaders as a whole not just Pallys) should get the same.
You are kidding right? Strenght does nothing for tanking, agility has little to no impact on avoidance and stamina is easily capped. When i tank, i make sure my mitigation, hitpoints (this means raw hitpoints from items) and wisdom (resists) are up there. Having int and wisdom balances it, the orbs will provide the right stats that we need to do our offensive and defensive very well. Intelligence lets us nuke, proc and AoE for higher damage and the wisdom gives us a slight improvement in mitigating spell damage.The question that i ask though is, why do orbs say Shield Factor 0 when there is ineeded no shield factor on them?
Your kidding me right? Strength means nothing in tanking?....To me +int means nothing to me in tanking, since you have group members (or raid members) who are providing the DPS while you control aggro. +str gives us more power, and higher auto attack, which is mainly the only form of attacking we are doing on named/epics. +wis after we have Crusade and Faithful Benediction on, is also un-needed since even with mediocre buffs we have a ton of Wisdom +sta gives us more HP, which is our biggest downfall over other tanks as it is +agi well a llittle more avoidence doesn't really matter, so I can see that Tanking to me, is pure defensive. I have supporting classes to pump out the dps, and auto attacking should be fine.

Strenght does nothing for tanking? You have power issues on raids, LoL. This might be a touchy subject for some people but tanking x4 epics; i usually do not even attack since that opens me up to a riposte (riposte usually = 4000dmg hit sometimes, not worth the risk). Some other fighters will argue that the auto attack is needed to generate more hate but i don't see hate as being a problem when we have Amends. Taunt, taunt, heal, ward, taunt, taunt, heal, ward... not alot of auto attacking there! Gogo Strenght! Now for the times we aren't tanking, INT offers a much better damage boost than strenght you will get from items, although we aren't a dps class it is very nice to see Refusal of Faith hit for 1800+ and our procs hit for 600dmg. Although we do significant amount of auto attack, our weapon procs seem to go off as much as the number of melee hits we do.You are arguing that we have a ton of wisdom with Faithful Benediction but the same could be said with strenght. Typically my strenght will be one of the stats to be buffed the most in a raid and thats without focusing on that stat specifically. I would rather focus on wisdom and stamina primarily but as it goes with wisdom you usually get intelligence along with it. To me defensive is wisdom and stamina, and offensive is intelligence and strenght, respectively. On a given raid with the right classes i had over 10k hitpoints and 500 wisdom, to me that is defensive. Argue all you want, its a personal choice, but too much of one thing is not good.

Sasaki Koji · 11-05-2005, 05:55 AM

MeridianR wrote:

Queen Alexandria wrote:

MeridianR wrote:
To me (since I tank mainly) - Str and Sta > Int and Wis.

I already have over 300 wisdom in most groups when I MT. So the +sta / +str are more important to me for tanking.

Others might feel different, but since Warriors get +str/+Sta I believe we (Crusaders as a whole not just Pallys) should get the same.

You are kidding right? Strenght does nothing for tanking, agility has little to no impact on avoidance and stamina is easily capped. When i tank, i make sure my mitigation, hitpoints (this means raw hitpoints from items) and wisdom (resists) are up there. Having int and wisdom balances it, the orbs will provide the right stats that we need to do our offensive and defensive very well. Intelligence lets us nuke, proc and AoE for higher damage and the wisdom gives us a slight improvement in mitigating spell damage.

The question that i ask though is, why do orbs say Shield Factor 0 when there is ineeded no shield factor on them?

Your kidding me right? Strength means nothing in tanking?....To me +int means nothing to me in tanking, since you have group members (or raid members) who are providing the DPS while you control aggro.

+str gives us more power, and higher auto attack, which is mainly the only form of attacking we are doing on named/epics.
+wis after we have Crusade and Faithful Benediction on, is also un-needed since even with mediocre buffs we have a ton of Wisdom
+sta gives us more HP, which is our biggest downfall over other tanks as it is
+agi well a llittle more avoidence doesn't really matter, so I can see that

Tanking to me, is pure defensive. I have supporting classes to pump out the dps, and auto attacking should be fine.

you'll never have more hp than a warrior/brawler under equal grouping conditions, so dont try SMILEY

~~Stamina~~ Go for raw hp increases, its better for crusaders. My main stats to upgrade from items are STR > WIS >= INT > AGI >= STA. If SOE wanted us to have massive amount of sta, we would have sta buffs like warriors and brawlers SMILEY

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Kojiro 60th Shadowknight of lucan D'Lere

EDIT btw, self str is 187, a good buffed group puts me above 400 easy. Agi and sta go quite high too.

Message Edited by Sasaki Kojiro on 11-04-2005 05:05 PM

MeridianR · 11-05-2005, 09:42 AM

Yeah I see your point about not auto-attacking....but on mobs that don't riposte you, I believe it better to auto attack rather then using CA or Spells. Personally though that Cobalt thing up top with +84 raw health is what I am going to go for., since it would take about 20 stamina for that much of an increase. Right now though my self buffed stats are: 337 str 125 agi 142 sta 196 int 143 wis ...but that isn't a true testimate since I am just sitting here trying to level up Piercing and have a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ty spear I am using....

11-04-2005, 08:19 AM	#3
Lockeye Developer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 76	* Ranged Slot Equipment * - Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot. - These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer. __________________ ============================================= Jared Sweatt EverQuest II Spells, Achievements, and Gameplay Designer

11-04-2005, 08:27 AM	#4
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	Lockeye wrote:* Ranged Slot Equipment * - Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot. - These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer. That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis. Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi? __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)

11-04-2005, 08:42 AM	#5
evhallion Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 330	MeridianR wrote: Lockeye wrote: * Ranged Slot Equipment * - Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot. - These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer. That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis. Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi? I was under the impression the Crusader classes used spells as a fighter/mage hybred so wouldn't +int & +wis be of help? Or do you just focus more on the fighter than the mage side? __________________

11-04-2005, 08:47 AM	#6
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	To me (since I tank mainly) - Str and Sta > Int and Wis. I already have over 300 wisdom in most groups when I MT. So the +sta / +str are more important to me for tanking. Others might feel different, but since Warriors get +str/+Sta I believe we (Crusaders as a whole not just Pallys) should get the same. __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)

11-04-2005, 10:01 AM	#11
Seolta Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 503	MeridianR wrote: Lockeye wrote: * Ranged Slot Equipment * - Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot. - These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer. That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis. Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi? You want tablets then. __________________

11-04-2005, 07:11 AM	#1
Zoren Northwood Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 120	http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=85 Sigil? Fixed. Consecrate? Fixed. Shield factor display? Fixed. Divine Favor? Improved. Blessing of the Peninent? Improved. Great stuff!

11-04-2005, 08:17 AM	#2
Plurke Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 49	okay that's at least like a update should be fixed, let's hope it indeed works now that would be very nice and finally after nagging a whole year we finally can put something in our ranged slot

11-04-2005, 08:52 AM	#7
Plurke Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 49	i'm already glad finally we have our ranged slot and i even believe we will be able to make orbs for those like vanadium, pearl ones that increases str sta and agi i believe. but i don't know if those will be already in this update maybe we just have to wait a whole year again but i'm glad finally we can put something in our ranged slot cause a increase who tiny also is still a increase but your right that most now are wis or int based, so i'm hoping that those orbs are going to be implemented soon cause then i want a jeweler to make the vanadium one

11-04-2005, 08:55 AM	#8
Belario Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 57	Doubtful. They are simply making the slots available. Probably new items will be available in the future. Also bear in mind, it's not a total disaster for Crusaders to have INT and WIS as that's their spell attack bonus and partial power pool/resistances, respectively.

11-04-2005, 09:01 AM	#9
Plurke Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 49	what do they mean with this spell now Crusader changes: - Doom Judgement now deals more damage, and instead of a 2% DPS debuff, it now dispels arcane and noxious-based buffs on anyone struck by it. so we get a increase in dmg and then dps debuff is replaced with dispels arcane and noxious based buff on anyone struck by it what does it mean that i can cure myself from arcane and noxious spells who inflicted on also on others. or 'm i totally mistaken

11-04-2005, 09:21 AM	#10
Lyrus General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 236	I'm a guardian here, but after giving a friend a pearl to get made into an orb, I was impressed by the stats, as there's a huge Increase in HP and power, as well as a bonus to all arcane resistances and a boost in mitigation to boot. I suspect they'll be looking for a second pearl to get made into an orb for a double shot of the sweetness. Anything's better than the nothing you previously had.

11-04-2005, 10:26 AM	#12
Pathin Merrithay Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 473	Seolta wrote: MeridianR wrote: Lockeye wrote: * Ranged Slot Equipment * - Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot. - These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer. That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis. Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi? You want tablets then. Or something like the Pristine Fashioned Cobalt Idol... http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=80603 And for those that don't have access to the EQ2 Item database; +9 Agi, +9 Sta, +10 Str, +84 power, +60 vs Divine, Slashing, Crushing, Piercing, Heat, Cold, Mental, Poison, Disease. PLUS, they'll be implementing more items specifically for Crusaders at a later date, but when I just got an item like this to fall in my lap? I think everyone should be just about done complaining now.

11-04-2005, 10:53 AM	#13
Plurke Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 49	thx saffira for the info some nice stats

11-04-2005, 10:59 AM	#14
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	Pathin Merrithay wrote: Seolta wrote: MeridianR wrote: Lockeye wrote:* Ranged Slot Equipment *- Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot.- These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer. That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis.Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi? You want tablets then. Or something like the Pristine Fashioned Cobalt Idol... http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=80603 And for those that don't have access to the EQ2 Item database; +9 Agi, +9 Sta, +10 Str, +84 power, +60 vs Divine, Slashing, Crushing, Piercing, Heat, Cold, Mental, Poison, Disease. PLUS, they'll be implementing more items specifically for Crusaders at a later date, but when I just got an item like this to fall in my lap? I think everyone should be just about done complaining now. Ah. now that I like. Good job finding it, and thanks. __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)

11-04-2005, 12:05 PM	#15
Sykophrog Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 94	Level 60 jeweler here and just an FYI to all you crusaders.. Look up the player crafted T6 symbols (yeah I know its high level but its the only teir that was made when they were thinking of you crusader types), a LOT of the indium/cobalt and beryllium/vanadium player crafted symbols have AGI STR and STA. Not sure what all the stats are.. but you can look them up in the item database. There is the following: Indium/Cobalt Idol (seems to be the best for crusaders with str/agi/sta) Indium/Cobalt Tablet Indium/Cobalt Censer Beryllium/Vanadium Symbol Nacre/Pearl Orb (the orb is just wis/int if I remember right) The Mad Ribbiter Cykophrog Phartzalott, 43 Inquisitor / 60 Jeweler on Permafrost __________________ The Mad Ribbiter Cykophrog Phartzalott 80 Inquisitor / 80 Jeweler / 80 Transmuter from Iconoclast (Permafrost)

11-04-2005, 02:17 PM	#16
QuaiCon Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101	Paladins are more specialised against tanking caster mobs with the wis bonus from defensive stance we get some of the highest base resists so i think a +wis +sta item would be best for a paladin. On the case of damage bonuses our combat arts get bonus damage from str, our spells get bonus damage from int (thats why they changed our offensive stance so that it now adds to both stats). Which leaves us in the potiion that we need int additionally to the stats a warrior needs (mainly sta, str, wis as agi bonus to defense is no longer important for plate tanks).

11-04-2005, 07:31 PM	#17
Swedemon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NH, USA Posts: 27	I'm a jeweler and am excited to start making these items for friends. Here are a few T6 options... For crusaders I recommend the Pristine Fashioned Cobalt Tablet: 9agi, 9sta, 10str, 84hp, 60vs-all For most mages and priests I recommend the Pristine Fashioned Pearl Orb: 14int, 14wis, 84pwr, 60vs-all For casters that in normal circumstances max out Wis or Int I recommend the Pristine Fashioned Cobalt Censer: 9wis, 9int, 10sta, 84pwr, 60vs-all As a 60 warden my wis is maxed (440) so I'll be grabbing the censer for the added Int and Sta. The Idol is mildly tempting as it has power with the tank stats sta, agi and str. Lots of options!

11-04-2005, 07:49 PM	#18
Nurta Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Living in York, PA Posts: 185	Pathin Merrithay wrote: Seolta wrote: MeridianR wrote: Lockeye wrote: * Ranged Slot Equipment * - Crusaders, Mages, and Priests can now equip most symbols (censers, dolls, idols, orbs, steins, symbols, tablets, and tomes) in their ranged slot in addition to their secondary slot. - These symbols will not provide a ranged attack, but they will give their indicated stat benefits to the wearer. That is fine, but 95% of Orbs, etc benefit +int and +wis. Can we assume some Crusader specifc stuff will be added with +str / +sta / +agi? You want tablets then. Or something like the Pristine Fashioned Cobalt Idol... http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=80603 And for those that don't have access to the EQ2 Item database; +9 Agi, +9 Sta, +10 Str, +84 power, +60 vs Divine, Slashing, Crushing, Piercing, Heat, Cold, Mental, Poison, Disease. PLUS, they'll be implementing more items specifically for Crusaders at a later date, but when I just got an item like this to fall in my lap? I think everyone should be just about done complaining now. Oooooh nice find. Thank you. /mines like a mad woman!

11-04-2005, 08:25 PM	#19
Jonaroth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 761	[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] this rocks soooo muchhh! __________________

11-04-2005, 08:47 PM	#20
Crib92 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Here nor there Posts: 320	As a Pally and a Jeweler the ranged slot is awesome! I do have a question for you testers out there: This was one bullet in the 16b update. Sigil of Heroism now ignores anyone that already has the Redemption line on them. Has this been tested and does it fix the aggro problem? I'm lvl 54 pally and I've avoided even buying this spell because of all the negative press. Would like to hear the results of testing. Whitefang, 54 Pally Faydark

11-04-2005, 08:57 PM	#21
Queen Alexandria Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 221	MeridianR wrote:To me (since I tank mainly) - Str and Sta > Int and Wis. I already have over 300 wisdom in most groups when I MT. So the +sta / +str are more important to me for tanking. Others might feel different, but since Warriors get +str/+Sta I believe we (Crusaders as a whole not just Pallys) should get the same. You are kidding right? Strenght does nothing for tanking, agility has little to no impact on avoidance and stamina is easily capped. When i tank, i make sure my mitigation, hitpoints (this means raw hitpoints from items) and wisdom (resists) are up there. Having int and wisdom balances it, the orbs will provide the right stats that we need to do our offensive and defensive very well. Intelligence lets us nuke, proc and AoE for higher damage and the wisdom gives us a slight improvement in mitigating spell damage.The question that i ask though is, why do orbs say Shield Factor 0 when there is ineeded no shield factor on them? __________________

11-04-2005, 09:37 PM	#22
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	Queen Alexandria wrote: MeridianR wrote:To me (since I tank mainly) - Str and Sta > Int and Wis. I already have over 300 wisdom in most groups when I MT. So the +sta / +str are more important to me for tanking. Others might feel different, but since Warriors get +str/+Sta I believe we (Crusaders as a whole not just Pallys) should get the same. You are kidding right? Strenght does nothing for tanking, agility has little to no impact on avoidance and stamina is easily capped. When i tank, i make sure my mitigation, hitpoints (this means raw hitpoints from items) and wisdom (resists) are up there. Having int and wisdom balances it, the orbs will provide the right stats that we need to do our offensive and defensive very well. Intelligence lets us nuke, proc and AoE for higher damage and the wisdom gives us a slight improvement in mitigating spell damage.The question that i ask though is, why do orbs say Shield Factor 0 when there is ineeded no shield factor on them? Your kidding me right? Strength means nothing in tanking?....To me +int means nothing to me in tanking, since you have group members (or raid members) who are providing the DPS while you control aggro. +str gives us more power, and higher auto attack, which is mainly the only form of attacking we are doing on named/epics. +wis after we have Crusade and Faithful Benediction on, is also un-needed since even with mediocre buffs we have a ton of Wisdom +sta gives us more HP, which is our biggest downfall over other tanks as it is +agi well a llittle more avoidence doesn't really matter, so I can see that Tanking to me, is pure defensive. I have supporting classes to pump out the dps, and auto attacking should be fine. __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)

11-04-2005, 09:47 PM	#23
Kale Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 222	MeridianR wrote: You are kidding right? Strenght does nothing for tanking, agility has little to no impact on avoidance and stamina is easily capped. When i tank, i make sure my mitigation, hitpoints (this means raw hitpoints from items) and wisdom (resists) are up there. Having int and wisdom balances it, the orbs will provide the right stats that we need to do our offensive and defensive very well. Intelligence lets us nuke, proc and AoE for higher damage and the wisdom gives us a slight improvement in mitigating spell damage. Your kidding me right? Strength means nothing in tanking?....To me +int means nothing to me in tanking, since you have group members (or raid members) who are providing the DPS while you control aggro. +str gives us more power, and higher auto attack, which is mainly the only form of attacking we are doing on named/epics. +wis after we have Crusade and Faithful Benediction on, is also un-needed since even with mediocre buffs we have a ton of Wisdom +sta gives us more HP, which is our biggest downfall over other tanks as it is +agi well a llittle more avoidence doesn't really matter, so I can see that Tanking to me, is pure defensive. I have supporting classes to pump out the dps, and auto attacking should be fine. Agreed with Meridian. STA/STR all the way.

11-04-2005, 10:28 PM	#24
Anzak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 548	I normally go STA/AGI/WIS/STR in that order. While Max AGI is only going to give you 6% extra avoidance at level 60 that is still a fair amount. Since my Wis is the highest I attribute 99% of the time I worry less about this as well as most tank gear gives STR so that is always pretty high for me. Focusing on STA and AGI lets me work focus on my weaker areas. Int while it is nice to have I don't actually look for it in an item. If I get an item that gives me some extra int that is just a bonus to me. I will say this though Crusaders are really the only class that require all stats to be high since we need stats like a guard for tanking but at the same time we need int and wis just like casters and healers. You have more of a balancing act with a pally than you do with other classes.

11-04-2005, 10:31 PM	#25
Tendonit Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 79	hmm nvm Message Edited by Tendonitis on 11-04-2005 09:32 AM

11-04-2005, 10:59 PM	#26
Coho1 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 294	Woot! I getting a pearl orb made.:smileyhappy::smileyhappy:

11-05-2005, 12:24 AM	#27
Kale Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 222	Very cool patch changes. Finally, some Paladin issues addressed.

11-05-2005, 02:05 AM	#28
Queen Alexandria Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 221	MeridianR wrote: Queen Alexandria wrote: MeridianR wrote:To me (since I tank mainly) - Str and Sta > Int and Wis. I already have over 300 wisdom in most groups when I MT. So the +sta / +str are more important to me for tanking. Others might feel different, but since Warriors get +str/+Sta I believe we (Crusaders as a whole not just Pallys) should get the same. You are kidding right? Strenght does nothing for tanking, agility has little to no impact on avoidance and stamina is easily capped. When i tank, i make sure my mitigation, hitpoints (this means raw hitpoints from items) and wisdom (resists) are up there. Having int and wisdom balances it, the orbs will provide the right stats that we need to do our offensive and defensive very well. Intelligence lets us nuke, proc and AoE for higher damage and the wisdom gives us a slight improvement in mitigating spell damage.The question that i ask though is, why do orbs say Shield Factor 0 when there is ineeded no shield factor on them? Your kidding me right? Strength means nothing in tanking?....To me +int means nothing to me in tanking, since you have group members (or raid members) who are providing the DPS while you control aggro. +str gives us more power, and higher auto attack, which is mainly the only form of attacking we are doing on named/epics. +wis after we have Crusade and Faithful Benediction on, is also un-needed since even with mediocre buffs we have a ton of Wisdom +sta gives us more HP, which is our biggest downfall over other tanks as it is +agi well a llittle more avoidence doesn't really matter, so I can see that Tanking to me, is pure defensive. I have supporting classes to pump out the dps, and auto attacking should be fine. Strenght does nothing for tanking? You have power issues on raids, LoL. This might be a touchy subject for some people but tanking x4 epics; i usually do not even attack since that opens me up to a riposte (riposte usually = 4000dmg hit sometimes, not worth the risk). Some other fighters will argue that the auto attack is needed to generate more hate but i don't see hate as being a problem when we have Amends. Taunt, taunt, heal, ward, taunt, taunt, heal, ward... not alot of auto attacking there! Gogo Strenght! Now for the times we aren't tanking, INT offers a much better damage boost than strenght you will get from items, although we aren't a dps class it is very nice to see Refusal of Faith hit for 1800+ and our procs hit for 600dmg. Although we do significant amount of auto attack, our weapon procs seem to go off as much as the number of melee hits we do.You are arguing that we have a ton of wisdom with Faithful Benediction but the same could be said with strenght. Typically my strenght will be one of the stats to be buffed the most in a raid and thats without focusing on that stat specifically. I would rather focus on wisdom and stamina primarily but as it goes with wisdom you usually get intelligence along with it. To me defensive is wisdom and stamina, and offensive is intelligence and strenght, respectively. On a given raid with the right classes i had over 10k hitpoints and 500 wisdom, to me that is defensive. Argue all you want, its a personal choice, but too much of one thing is not good. __________________

11-05-2005, 05:55 AM	#29
Sasaki Koji Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 283	MeridianR wrote: Queen Alexandria wrote: MeridianR wrote: To me (since I tank mainly) - Str and Sta > Int and Wis. I already have over 300 wisdom in most groups when I MT. So the +sta / +str are more important to me for tanking. Others might feel different, but since Warriors get +str/+Sta I believe we (Crusaders as a whole not just Pallys) should get the same. You are kidding right? Strenght does nothing for tanking, agility has little to no impact on avoidance and stamina is easily capped. When i tank, i make sure my mitigation, hitpoints (this means raw hitpoints from items) and wisdom (resists) are up there. Having int and wisdom balances it, the orbs will provide the right stats that we need to do our offensive and defensive very well. Intelligence lets us nuke, proc and AoE for higher damage and the wisdom gives us a slight improvement in mitigating spell damage. The question that i ask though is, why do orbs say Shield Factor 0 when there is ineeded no shield factor on them? Your kidding me right? Strength means nothing in tanking?....To me +int means nothing to me in tanking, since you have group members (or raid members) who are providing the DPS while you control aggro. +str gives us more power, and higher auto attack, which is mainly the only form of attacking we are doing on named/epics. +wis after we have Crusade and Faithful Benediction on, is also un-needed since even with mediocre buffs we have a ton of Wisdom +sta gives us more HP, which is our biggest downfall over other tanks as it is +agi well a llittle more avoidence doesn't really matter, so I can see that Tanking to me, is pure defensive. I have supporting classes to pump out the dps, and auto attacking should be fine. you'll never have more hp than a warrior/brawler under equal grouping conditions, so dont try ~~Stamina~~ Go for raw hp increases, its better for crusaders. My main stats to upgrade from items are STR > WIS >= INT > AGI >= STA. If SOE wanted us to have massive amount of sta, we would have sta buffs like warriors and brawlers . Kojiro 60th Shadowknight of lucan D'Lere EDIT btw, self str is 187, a good buffed group puts me above 400 easy. Agi and sta go quite high too. Message Edited by Sasaki Kojiro on 11-04-2005 05:05 PM

11-05-2005, 09:42 AM	#30
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	Yeah I see your point about not auto-attacking....but on mobs that don't riposte you, I believe it better to auto attack rather then using CA or Spells. Personally though that Cobalt thing up top with +84 raw health is what I am going to go for., since it would take about 20 stamina for that much of an increase. Right now though my self buffed stats are: 337 str 125 agi 142 sta 196 int 143 wis ...but that isn't a true testimate since I am just sitting here trying to level up Piercing and have a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ty spear I am using.... __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)