So apparently we will no longer be able to cast spells while running...

Nuthily · 02-19-2006, 04:55 AM

For me, this is a gameplay breaking change as I will no longer be a viable pulling class. We cant use ranged weapons like the other fighters and we cant cast while running... So apparently we are to be reduced to sitting ducks while pulling who must stop dead in their tracks to get a spell off...

Discuss

Diern · 02-19-2006, 07:47 AM

I agree this is a stupid and unnessesary nerf. You know development are going to tell us that we were never supposed to be able to do this in the first place, but I for one am [Removed for Content].

Ishnar · 02-19-2006, 09:53 AM

Casting while moving never had anything to do with pulling, it has to do with kiting.

Chaaz · 02-19-2006, 10:57 AM

Ishnar wrote:
Casting while moving never had anything to do with pulling, it has to do with kiting.

So what does stopping movement buffs when locking combat prevent?

Message Edited by Chaaz on 02-18-200609:58 PM

Arthik · 02-19-2006, 02:47 PM

Wait... What?Oh crap... When is this supposed to take place? I know there are some spells that I can't cast while running, such as Baleful Wrath, Heinous Blessing and so on, but they're now doing this for the others too? Dang.So when is this going to happen?

Baelzharon · 02-19-2006, 05:35 PM

Ishnar wrote:
Casting while moving never had anything to do with pulling, it has to do with kiting.

No, it has nothing to do with kiting and everything to do with PvP because Kiting is an acceptable practice. SoE could careless if SK's kite a mob for 30 minutes, but certainly care that SK's can run and do HO's, summon a pet and lifetap during PvP. Because SoE loves PvP and hates PvE we're going to suffer so the small percentage of people who like to PvP are happy.

vwlsskng · 02-19-2006, 07:25 PM

Nuthilyan wrote:
For me, this is a gameplay breaking change as I will no longer be a viable pulling class. We cant use ranged weapons like the other fighters and we cant cast while running... So apparently we are to be reduced to sitting ducks while pulling who must stop dead in their tracks to get a spell off...

Discuss

The Anger line is instacast, so that should (keyword: should) not be interrupted and still good for pulling.

hukikatlok · 02-19-2006, 07:43 PM

When pulling for a group it's majorly important to be able to cast while running to keep AGRO! By the time I've got the mobs back to the group I can have a couple of damage spells off and a taunt or two. It's hard enough to keep agro if you have a high damage class in group. If I can't taunt while I'm running I'm even less effective as a tank.

Why not have pvp servers and leave the pve servers alone.

Aloca · 02-19-2006, 08:38 PM

vwlssknght wrote:The Anger line is instacast, so that should (keyword: should) not be interrupted and still good for pulling.

Aftet LU20 Anger line will need 1sec to cast :smileysad:... you can check it from test server

Message Edited by Alocart on 02-19-200607:39 AM

Vitriol · 02-19-2006, 10:22 PM

Wow. Without a completed HO prior to getting mobs back to camp, SKs will lose agro immediately. Forget previous taunt issues, this change will make SKs no longer a viable tank. Hopefully this is what it takes to get the SK Dev, if any, to finally wake up and fix the class.

KEEPERofFOUNDsou · 02-20-2006, 03:15 AM

Can anyone acutally confirm that this applies to taunts aswell?

Jebaris · 02-20-2006, 03:16 AM

we need a dev comment on this one

Diern · 02-20-2006, 04:11 AM

And we wont get one because this is on the Shadowknight section of the message board.

And this has everything to do with pulling. Currently we do well as puller because we can quickly and effciently bring a steady stream of mobs to our group.

The only way we can keep reliable agro is to continually cast as we are bringing said mobs back to the group. I am not surprized there are so many people whining about our agro, if they dont currently do this. (we still have problems regardless, but i cant imagine trying to keep agro at all when this goes live)

KULV · 02-20-2006, 05:03 AM

anger line used to be insta-cast you mean. re-read the notes its gonna be a 1 sec cast now. Of all the nerfin goin on thats the one that erks me the most. I dont get why they have to add a cast time to that spell. its been an instant for 1.5 yrs. I dont see how its overpowering crusaders so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn](in general). They are reducing the cast time on coil by one sec though-but i dont see exactly how that makes up for what they doin to us overall.

Chaaz · 02-20-2006, 05:45 AM

KULVAR wrote:They are reducing the cast time on coil by one sec though-but i dont see exactly how that makes up for what they doin to us overall.

This isn't so much about us as it is about PvP gameplay. As it stands, Combat Arts can be cast while moving, and a caster has to sit still to use theirs. This is purely a PvP change that will effect EVERYONE including casters on raids. That is the issue, but yet, I thought they said PvP would not change the main game... After this change, we'll all be Seige Tanks from Starcraft. Move, plant, use ability, move plant, use ability. Forget moving and useing cause PvP will be taking that away.

megatra · 02-20-2006, 09:04 AM

I am also pretty [Removed for Content] at this change. I thought it was just Loathsome Anger that was acting up on beta so I /feedbacked it.. shortly thereafter discovered NONE of our spells are mobile anymore. I don't know why they are doing this but it makes no sense.

Giral · 02-20-2006, 11:43 AM

Echooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Devsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

?????????????????????????????????????????

why does posting Anything about SK's on Any forum never get an Answer ?

Kryptonix · 02-20-2006, 06:31 PM

This change is also gonna hamper our solo skills a little, no kiting means no having the mob down to yellow before he gets to you. I dunno whats going on with all these weird changes to the SK class. I am really thinking about making a Bruiser or Zerker or even a Brigand now that some of the things that are fun about this class are getting nerfed to hell. We were great pullers and soloers but with these changes it kinda kills the few purposes we are in a group. Its bad enough were not really great at anything. If they are gonna make us like the other pure casting classes they need to give us a root or something.Wonder what would happen if no one played their SK anymore..... would SOE kill the SK class all together or actually look at our class closely and try and fix us (at least igve us a purpose). SK STRIKE!!!

SonnyA · 02-20-2006, 06:51 PM

Giralus wrote:
Echooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Devsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

?????????????????????????????????????????

why does posting Anything about SK's on Any forum never get an Answer ?

Because you're not paying attention. They do answer.

Margen · 02-20-2006, 07:09 PM

I could care less about either Kiting or PVP, but this change is going to hurt us in Aggro and to lesser extent DPS. That I do care about, I really see no reason for this change, its not like we were the best in aggro because of our ability to cast on the move, it wasn't like we could kite epic mobs all over the place and it its not like our spells where so powerful that we could just run around in circles nuking crap to death.

Plus in raids we have developed the tactic of me using my pet to call the AOE's on jousting, we run in wack on the mob till called out and on the way out I cast pet on the run to take the AOE, making it easy for calling back in. was a good tactic, guess that made me to powerful with my best HP's/MIT/Aggro compared to other fighters.

Silly idea on Sony's part and totally not needed.

SibbieReborn · 02-20-2006, 11:44 PM

the way they keep treating us i wouldnt be surprised if LU21 our HT gets a casting time longer than using a hex doll

but yea, nerfing us for PVP is EXTREMELY lame

it was stated so many times that they were going to be completely and totally independent of each other but i guess they found out a case that wasnt exactly so.

Really its not that big of a nerf, but its just a gigantic hit to playstyle.. and i thought that combat revamp was going to be the only time i had to make a drastic change to my playstyle.

ButterKnifeNinja · 02-21-2006, 02:06 AM

I posted this in the pally forum too, please add your voice against this horrible change in this thread:

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=47054&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

If we get enough activity in one thread maybe the devs will notice... :smileysad:

Ceruline · 02-21-2006, 02:28 AM

Our taunts are still castable while running.

Kunathar · 02-21-2006, 02:54 AM

Ceruline wrote:Our taunts are still castable while running.

If this is true, then I have absolutely no problems with the change tomorrow. I've been anxiously reading these posts about this mobility issue, keeping myself from getting lured into the typical "OMGZ the skyz a fallin" mentality of most posts, and looking for someone to say exactly what you stated here. I have no need to be casting my damage spells/arts on the run. But I do need to pull using my taunts while on the run. I intentionally don't finish HOs until I get back to my group anyhow, so I couldn't careless.Just don't touch my taunts. :smileywink: *please*Thanks Ceruline

ButterKnifeNinja · 02-21-2006, 03:08 AM

no our taunts are fine, but I cast damage spells on the move all the time as part of my aggro strategy, as do a *lot* of people

SibbieReborn · 02-21-2006, 03:53 AM

crusader ability to retain agro while positioning = gone

thnx

Kunathar · 02-21-2006, 07:45 AM

SibbieReborn wrote:
crusader ability to retain agro while positioning = gone

thnx

How so? Positioning should not be taking no more then a few seconds (if that) to accomplish (dependant upon the location) and our taunts will continue to work while mobile, so I don't get your comment. Why would you lose agro on a positioning move anyhow? Do you stop taunting when you position a MOB?I'm confused, I apologize. So please feel free to clarify.

Diern · 02-21-2006, 08:46 AM

Casting spells while mobile is essential IMO to agro management, as a shadowknight and its the only reason I havent quit my SK and thus the game entirely. I can hold agro pretty well because I am constantly casting on the mobs when I bring them back to my group. I dont see this happening when this stupid change goes live tommorow

Giral · 02-21-2006, 10:58 AM

Kunathar wrote:
SibbieReborn wrote:
crusader ability to retain agro while positioning = gone

thnx
How so? Positioning should not be taking no more then a few seconds (if that) to accomplish (dependant upon the location) and our taunts will continue to work while mobile, so I don't get your comment. Why would you lose agro on a positioning move anyhow? Do you stop taunting when you position a MOB?I'm confused, I apologize. So please feel free to clarify.

ok harm touch and rescue are out , you pull mob back with your AE tuant and healer pulls agro you feign death her but the Warlock cast on the mob and now The warlock has agro , your single target tuant is up LOL that don't do Jack, O your Ae tuant is Back up , THAT don't do jack either , your healers up Healing the Warlock, you try your single tuant again ?DOnt do Jack the Mob laughs at you /Group laughs at you , you Evac the group and they make excuses they have to go play Chess and after you disband you see in OOC "Group looking for Tank anything BUT Shadowknight"

The above post Happen's on Live With the ability to RUN, and Cast to Build agro , when Are you giong to build agro ? standing in front of the Group everysingle pull for 20 second's wyle they have a nice conversation about this Guard they had the night befor that pulled NON-stop , and they could Start Attacking in 3 second's ?

Message Edited by Giralus on 02-20-200610:01 PM

Darkaren · 02-21-2006, 09:02 PM

its really sad to see one of the best things about our class go away.

With such very few benefits to playing an sk, running and casting was a HUGE plus.

By taking it away, the shadowknight classes just loses one other thing that could help them do. ANYTHING.

02-19-2006, 04:55 AM	#1
Nuthily Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	For me, this is a gameplay breaking change as I will no longer be a viable pulling class. We cant use ranged weapons like the other fighters and we cant cast while running... So apparently we are to be reduced to sitting ducks while pulling who must stop dead in their tracks to get a spell off... Discuss __________________ [ Inthul - Dreadlord of Dark Lineage {Antonia Bayle Server} ]

02-19-2006, 10:57 AM	#4
Chaaz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	Ishnar wrote: Casting while moving never had anything to do with pulling, it has to do with kiting. So what does stopping movement buffs when locking combat prevent? Message Edited by Chaaz on 02-18-200609:58 PM __________________ "Open up your hate and let it flow into me!" - Disturbed "You would know my heart, if you knew your place..." - Breaking Benjamin

02-19-2006, 02:47 PM	#5
Arthik Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 212	Wait... What?Oh crap... When is this supposed to take place? I know there are some spells that I can't cast while running, such as Baleful Wrath, Heinous Blessing and so on, but they're now doing this for the others too? Dang.So when is this going to happen? __________________ Level 70 Shadowknight 100 AP

02-19-2006, 05:35 PM	#6
Baelzharon Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 231	Ishnar wrote: Casting while moving never had anything to do with pulling, it has to do with kiting. No, it has nothing to do with kiting and everything to do with PvP because Kiting is an acceptable practice. SoE could careless if SK's kite a mob for 30 minutes, but certainly care that SK's can run and do HO's, summon a pet and lifetap during PvP. Because SoE loves PvP and hates PvE we're going to suffer so the small percentage of people who like to PvP are happy.

02-19-2006, 07:25 PM	#7
vwlsskng Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 710	Nuthilyan wrote: For me, this is a gameplay breaking change as I will no longer be a viable pulling class. We cant use ranged weapons like the other fighters and we cant cast while running... So apparently we are to be reduced to sitting ducks while pulling who must stop dead in their tracks to get a spell off... Discuss The Anger line is instacast, so that should (keyword: should) not be interrupted and still good for pulling.

02-19-2006, 07:47 AM	#2
Diern General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 408	I agree this is a stupid and unnessesary nerf. You know development are going to tell us that we were never supposed to be able to do this in the first place, but I for one am [Removed for Content].

02-19-2006, 09:53 AM	#3
Ishnar Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 423	Casting while moving never had anything to do with pulling, it has to do with kiting.

02-19-2006, 07:43 PM	#8
hukikatlok Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 45	When pulling for a group it's majorly important to be able to cast while running to keep AGRO! By the time I've got the mobs back to the group I can have a couple of damage spells off and a taunt or two. It's hard enough to keep agro if you have a high damage class in group. If I can't taunt while I'm running I'm even less effective as a tank. Why not have pvp servers and leave the pve servers alone. __________________ Nocturn of Kithicor

02-19-2006, 08:38 PM	#9
Aloca Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16	vwlssknght wrote:The Anger line is instacast, so that should (keyword: should) not be interrupted and still good for pulling. Aftet LU20 Anger line will need 1sec to cast :smileysad:... you can check it from test server Message Edited by Alocart on 02-19-200607:39 AM

02-19-2006, 10:22 PM	#10
Vitriol General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 116	Wow. Without a completed HO prior to getting mobs back to camp, SKs will lose agro immediately. Forget previous taunt issues, this change will make SKs no longer a viable tank. Hopefully this is what it takes to get the SK Dev, if any, to finally wake up and fix the class. __________________ Ravenously 60 Shaman Enchanter/Engineer - Detheroc WoW Formerly "The Loyal" 52 SK - Interagent 60 Provisioner 60 Alchy/Carp/Armorer/Sage, 32 Wepsmith/Tailor, 30 Jeweler Darn 1 year susbscription ends 12/06 =(

02-20-2006, 03:15 AM	#11
KEEPERofFOUNDsou Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	Can anyone acutally confirm that this applies to taunts aswell? __________________ Shadowknight on Splitpaw server (currently inactive)

02-20-2006, 03:16 AM	#12
Jebaris Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 142	we need a dev comment on this one

02-20-2006, 04:11 AM	#13
Diern General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 408	And we wont get one because this is on the Shadowknight section of the message board. And this has everything to do with pulling. Currently we do well as puller because we can quickly and effciently bring a steady stream of mobs to our group. The only way we can keep reliable agro is to continually cast as we are bringing said mobs back to the group. I am not surprized there are so many people whining about our agro, if they dont currently do this. (we still have problems regardless, but i cant imagine trying to keep agro at all when this goes live)

02-20-2006, 05:03 AM	#14
KULV Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 56	anger line used to be insta-cast you mean. re-read the notes its gonna be a 1 sec cast now. Of all the nerfin goin on thats the one that erks me the most. I dont get why they have to add a cast time to that spell. its been an instant for 1.5 yrs. I dont see how its overpowering crusaders so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn](in general). They are reducing the cast time on coil by one sec though-but i dont see exactly how that makes up for what they doin to us overall.

02-20-2006, 05:45 AM	#15
Chaaz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	KULVAR wrote:They are reducing the cast time on coil by one sec though-but i dont see exactly how that makes up for what they doin to us overall. This isn't so much about us as it is about PvP gameplay. As it stands, Combat Arts can be cast while moving, and a caster has to sit still to use theirs. This is purely a PvP change that will effect EVERYONE including casters on raids. That is the issue, but yet, I thought they said PvP would not change the main game... After this change, we'll all be Seige Tanks from Starcraft. Move, plant, use ability, move plant, use ability. Forget moving and useing cause PvP will be taking that away. __________________ "Open up your hate and let it flow into me!" - Disturbed "You would know my heart, if you knew your place..." - Breaking Benjamin

02-20-2006, 09:04 AM	#16
megatra Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 306	I am also pretty [Removed for Content] at this change. I thought it was just Loathsome Anger that was acting up on beta so I /feedbacked it.. shortly thereafter discovered NONE of our spells are mobile anymore. I don't know why they are doing this but it makes no sense. __________________

02-20-2006, 11:43 AM	#17
Giral General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 894	Echooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Devsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ????????????????????????????????????????? why does posting Anything about SK's on Any forum never get an Answer ? __________________ who's more of a Fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool. . . Account Terminated as of 12-27-08, RMT=Evil

02-20-2006, 06:31 PM	#18
Kryptonix Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 206	This change is also gonna hamper our solo skills a little, no kiting means no having the mob down to yellow before he gets to you. I dunno whats going on with all these weird changes to the SK class. I am really thinking about making a Bruiser or Zerker or even a Brigand now that some of the things that are fun about this class are getting nerfed to hell. We were great pullers and soloers but with these changes it kinda kills the few purposes we are in a group. Its bad enough were not really great at anything. If they are gonna make us like the other pure casting classes they need to give us a root or something.Wonder what would happen if no one played their SK anymore..... would SOE kill the SK class all together or actually look at our class closely and try and fix us (at least igve us a purpose). SK STRIKE!!!

02-20-2006, 06:51 PM	#19
SonnyA Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 578	Giralus wrote: Echooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Devsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ????????????????????????????????????????? why does posting Anything about SK's on Any forum never get an Answer ? Because you're not paying attention. They do answer.

02-20-2006, 07:09 PM	#20
Margen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 648	I could care less about either Kiting or PVP, but this change is going to hurt us in Aggro and to lesser extent DPS. That I do care about, I really see no reason for this change, its not like we were the best in aggro because of our ability to cast on the move, it wasn't like we could kite epic mobs all over the place and it its not like our spells where so powerful that we could just run around in circles nuking crap to death. Plus in raids we have developed the tactic of me using my pet to call the AOE's on jousting, we run in wack on the mob till called out and on the way out I cast pet on the run to take the AOE, making it easy for calling back in. was a good tactic, guess that made me to powerful with my best HP's/MIT/Aggro compared to other fighters. Silly idea on Sony's part and totally not needed. __________________ Blackoath Uglyone 80 Shadow Knight of Chaos Phang 80 Swashbuckler of Chaos You EVER going to fix SKs Sony?

02-20-2006, 11:44 PM	#21
SibbieReborn Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 9	the way they keep treating us i wouldnt be surprised if LU21 our HT gets a casting time longer than using a hex doll but yea, nerfing us for PVP is EXTREMELY lame it was stated so many times that they were going to be completely and totally independent of each other but i guess they found out a case that wasnt exactly so. Really its not that big of a nerf, but its just a gigantic hit to playstyle.. and i thought that combat revamp was going to be the only time i had to make a drastic change to my playstyle.

02-21-2006, 02:06 AM	#22
ButterKnifeNinja Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 24	I posted this in the pally forum too, please add your voice against this horrible change in this thread: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=47054&view=by_date_ascending&page=1 If we get enough activity in one thread maybe the devs will notice... :smileysad:

02-21-2006, 02:28 AM	#23
Ceruline Tester Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 335	Our taunts are still castable while running. __________________ --Pondscum, 70 Shadowknight, Test Server, Fhir Rhuen-- Maybe I used too many monkeys... Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?

02-21-2006, 02:54 AM	#24
Kunathar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 81	Ceruline wrote:Our taunts are still castable while running. If this is true, then I have absolutely no problems with the change tomorrow. I've been anxiously reading these posts about this mobility issue, keeping myself from getting lured into the typical "OMGZ the skyz a fallin" mentality of most posts, and looking for someone to say exactly what you stated here. I have no need to be casting my damage spells/arts on the run. But I do need to pull using my taunts while on the run. I intentionally don't finish HOs until I get back to my group anyhow, so I couldn't careless.Just don't touch my taunts. :smileywink: pleaseThanks Ceruline __________________ ************************************* Inmir - Level 75/91 Shadowknight Innothule - Crushbone My mount goes BEEP BEEP BEEP (when it backs up) *************************************

02-21-2006, 03:08 AM	#25
ButterKnifeNinja Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 24	no our taunts are fine, but I cast damage spells on the move all the time as part of my aggro strategy, as do a lot of people

02-21-2006, 03:53 AM	#26
SibbieReborn Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 9	crusader ability to retain agro while positioning = gone thnx

02-21-2006, 07:45 AM	#27
Kunathar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 81	SibbieReborn wrote: crusader ability to retain agro while positioning = gone thnx How so? Positioning should not be taking no more then a few seconds (if that) to accomplish (dependant upon the location) and our taunts will continue to work while mobile, so I don't get your comment. Why would you lose agro on a positioning move anyhow? Do you stop taunting when you position a MOB?I'm confused, I apologize. So please feel free to clarify. __________________ ************************************* Inmir - Level 75/91 Shadowknight Innothule - Crushbone My mount goes BEEP BEEP BEEP (when it backs up) *************************************

02-21-2006, 08:46 AM	#28
Diern General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 408	Casting spells while mobile is essential IMO to agro management, as a shadowknight and its the only reason I havent quit my SK and thus the game entirely. I can hold agro pretty well because I am constantly casting on the mobs when I bring them back to my group. I dont see this happening when this stupid change goes live tommorow

02-21-2006, 10:58 AM	#29
Giral General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 894	Kunathar wrote: SibbieReborn wrote: crusader ability to retain agro while positioning = gone thnx How so? Positioning should not be taking no more then a few seconds (if that) to accomplish (dependant upon the location) and our taunts will continue to work while mobile, so I don't get your comment. Why would you lose agro on a positioning move anyhow? Do you stop taunting when you position a MOB?I'm confused, I apologize. So please feel free to clarify. ok harm touch and rescue are out , you pull mob back with your AE tuant and healer pulls agro you feign death her but the Warlock cast on the mob and now The warlock has agro , your single target tuant is up LOL that don't do Jack, O your Ae tuant is Back up , THAT don't do jack either , your healers up Healing the Warlock, you try your single tuant again ?DOnt do Jack the Mob laughs at you /Group laughs at you , you Evac the group and they make excuses they have to go play Chess and after you disband you see in OOC "Group looking for Tank anything BUT Shadowknight" The above post Happen's on Live With the ability to RUN, and Cast to Build agro , when Are you giong to build agro ? standing in front of the Group everysingle pull for 20 second's wyle they have a nice conversation about this Guard they had the night befor that pulled NON-stop , and they could Start Attacking in 3 second's ? Message Edited by Giralus on 02-20-200610:01 PM __________________ who's more of a Fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool. . . Account Terminated as of 12-27-08, RMT=Evil

02-21-2006, 09:02 PM	#30
Darkaren Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 52	its really sad to see one of the best things about our class go away. With such very few benefits to playing an sk, running and casting was a HUGE plus. By taking it away, the shadowknight classes just loses one other thing that could help them do. ANYTHING.