Ok SoE It's enough (please read all hardcore sk's)

[Brodja]

Realized about 1 hour ago... they nerfed last good thing in sk's - its unresist group taunt... going insane....NOW we have NOTHING .... N O T H I N G good for tankingI dont wanna make analyse or SO. I dont wanna sugest anything.NO, its not a mockery - its just [Removed for Content] us It's looks like SCUM.Sure SoE doesnt care if only one hardcore player will cancel acc (i mean myself). but if we all do it - thats will a power.Of course u can say "He's just crazy, i dont bother what is he sayng. I will play like i want"BUTYou can SAY like me - ITS ENOUGHand we will go in death march from SoE ruins to Vanguard!PS heh a little pathetic but i think you'll understand what i want to say

[Rylight]

where exactly was this posted at?

[Ahuramaz]

i dont even know what taunt your talking about, but i love playing my SK

 

actually since LU19 I have gotten the impression that SKs were improved, my char seemed much more uber, maybe its just me

 

anyway go leade ur death march to vanguard or whatever, cuz you know, this was the last straw and all, so cancel your account

 

And if you dont cancel your account youll look like a fool after your rant

[Brodja]

Ofcourse, if situation wont change i will."I love playing my class"Ok. Thats fine. But, do u know, that every good guardian, berserker, brawler or paladin can overaggro you easyly? If not - they are noobs nothing more. Sure im talking about tanking without hate buffer, as corc or dirge, without transfer or so.Did u raiding DoF 3-4 months? Was you mt on raids? If yes you should know, that everyone dps class MUST control those aggro if they dont wanna wipe. I dont talking about easy control - ofcourse warlock can overaggro even from bruiser, but about HARD control, when a little mistake going on wipe (if it was a ae mob).What i wanna to say in this thread?I read this board everytime. I saw all this whinning made by sk. But it looks banality. Do you think SoE will change anything? No ofcourse, they wont. I just want make some kind of ultimatum, nothing more.Oh, and ofcourse go "enjoy with your class" more. Looks like you like to be slave.

[Brodja]

To Ahuramazda.i asked about HARDCORE sk, not noobs, who making poet palace as highest instance in they life. And who dont know their spells at all. This lame if you dont understand what i am talking about.For information, im talking about blasphemy, ae taunt that was UNRESIST before Lu19. I checked it billion time - it was. Now it resistable - its crap when we have only one ae taunt.Sk's was good on orange mobs before this thing. In pp2 i offtanked oranged adds on djinss easy, better then other classes. Now its gone. Ty soeAgain please i want comments made by high raiding sk's, not a Cazel's killers.

Message Edited by Brodjaga on 02-08-200601:47 AM

[TheGeneral]

I have a three step solution for your problem sir.

1. Switch to decaff.2. Learn the english language.3. Try to post again.

[Arlon]

I didn't see any SK changes in LU19 change note. Could you give us the post where devs say that Blasphemy could not be resisted and has been changed now?Or was this a Ninja-Nerf?!LU19 change notes

[TheGeneral]

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that all taunts went resistable at the same time.

[KULV]

meh i was in PPR tonight and i didnt have a problem offtankin adds. as is normal for me it takes a good 5 secs for me to get agro on anything in the world without rescue or HT(unless i pull=my d00m). our main agro dont come off our weak pants taunts really. they just felictators.Its possible for us to do those things if your geared up hard(guard zerkers) they just do more with less. SK is the path of pain, and if your not groovin on it, then its probably not the class for you.Would i enjoy my taunts being on par with the rest of the plate fighters, sure. Maybe my heal power bein the same % as pallies get from templars in comparison to necros?, ya. Would i like a bag to stick in my ammo slot to hold my tainted essences? hell ya. Reduce my casting time on arts and spells so i dont have to time it so perfect to max out my dps, yes of course.so many things are wrong that this just isnt the end all of everything. My bigest gripe is probably the fact that one of our two only castable taps(dire smite) can be blocked and you lose that heal power for the entire duration of the recast. Its really a huge handicap when you fight things your lvl or above, when blocks parries and deflections become more common. nothing dire about missing. That and we only have one true raid utility spell(despoiling mist) that they nerfed to holy hell.  we can still get the job done its just alot harder for us.And if your 60 enjoy your angst, you EARNED it.

[Lailokaenus]

I don't remember if Blasphemy was resistable pre-LU19, but it certainly is now.

[Brodja]

TheGeneralAye english not my native language, so its not clean, but i think you understand me. What is the problem? You too proud to be english or american? Are u ruling the world?To all aye it was ninja nerfThe thing is: sk have only one group taunt, but unresist.For example guards have 2 and they was resistable.Ofcourse my post is a little unusual for this boards, but i posted in this style only for attract your attention.And SoE attention. I bet no one dev read this board.Ok you can pull on me decayed tomates, but it wont change anything. I prefer mass petition or so. In Kos they will nerf us more. I know.

Message Edited by Brodjaga on 02-08-200603:53 AM

[JoarAddam]

ha!  So now our disease based disease debuff can't land...  nifty

[Tesar/Oogar]

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Brodjaga wrote:TheGeneralOk you can pull on me decayed tomates, but it wont change anything. I prefer mass petition or so. In Kos they will nerf us more. I know.

Message Edited by Brodjaga on 02-08-200603:53 AM

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Please tell me you meant to say something "sour grapes" here and your translator changed it into "decayed tomatoes."Because I'm still laughing...

[TheGeneral]

I don't know what he meant, but I felt he could have gotten his point across to us in a more polite manner.  Coming here and basically saying that you don't need to respond to him unless you are as uber as he is was down right rude regardless of his nationality.  Oh, and as for ruling the world, not yet, but the plans are underway.  :smileywink:

[Brodja]

Using dictionary when i dont know some words. Like "decayed tomates" True, you can laugh if you want. But it wont make you smarter, just will show your level of evolution (not far from monkey).Think i wont find any support here. Sorry for spending your time. Gl in game.Btw in one thing i envying you - if you enjoy your class it's good - i can't.Cya.

[Rylight]

yeah umm...... anyways, as thegeneral said before all taunts are resistable, so its kinda the same across all fighters, enough said right there.

[Brodja]

Ok... again. Special for peopls who think that blasphemy was resistable.I tested it. Yes when DoF came and taunts became resistable, i was impressed that blaphemy was unresist.Tests was:Group mobs heroics green or blue. I'm + warlockCaress off. Autoattack off. im pulling with blasphemy. Nill aboslution from warlock - all mobs on me. Test repeated X times. repeated it maany times. result same.Same mobs. Guardian + warlock. Guard pulling protect. Again absolution. Mob WHO resisted, aggroed on warlock ASAP.Questions?

Message Edited by Brodjaga on 02-08-200609:23 AM

[Nostarn]

Just a quick question about the tests you ran. 

 

When you did your testing, you mention you did this on green or blue mobs.  Did you do any testing on white or yellow mobs?  There is a big difference with casting spells on the higher level mobs compared to the lower level ones.  Attacks, taunts, spells will almost always land on the lower ones and will get resisted often on the higher ones. 

 

 

I do understand the frustration about our taunts lacking compared to other tanks out there.  But as a side note, I think one of the above posts mentions the content of your posting, it's not a matter of english because the core information does come through regardless, the problem is your presentation.  There have been many issues solved here on the SK boards as well as others that have been discussed in detail with supporting evidence.  Most posts that people rant and rave about how Sony sucks and that they dont care tend to get less attention.  You have every right to be upset, but the best way to get anything done or changed is to start up discussions about the issues you have problems with without insulting anyone.  (Noob comments never really get very far either btw)

[JoarAddam]

I have so much awe for people who run around telling me how much better than they are than me...  I just want to hug them and say "It's ok, we all love you"!  We're glad that you make our own existence seem so small in comparison!  Without you, we'd have no-one to adore from afar!  Wait! oh wondrous adventurer!  You called me a noob because one my tests for the class, an instance, isn't as cool as yours!  Well, what's your test?! Please oh please tell us what superduper part of the game we're missing that only you have a hold on!

 

....  crickets

 

Instances like poets are actually the best testing model for class comparisons because it's all the same mobs, of about the same level.  I believe that class comparison testing is why splitpaw came out before the first combat change.  We were observed and then tuned based on those observations.

[Brodja]

Didnt test on white/yellow mobs because of die problems. It was duo with warlock - without healer (beacause of healer mean another aggro - so result could be different).I can only say that i always pulled solo yellows/orange mobs with blasphemy and taunt never resist.Maybe im totally wrong. Dunno what to do atm. I thought sk communtity will suggest something but i got only jokes.Heh sure presentation was, hm, a little crazy. But i wrote it exactly after i know that soe nerf us more. Was a little angry, heh.So...Im tired bout all that whines... just wanted some aggressive post.Just want enjoy my class - but cant do it.

[Nostarn]

Just to add to the "testing methods" line of questioning, the more test info you have, the better.  I know it would change the test to bring a healer into white and yellow encounters, but as long as you keep it consistent between yourself and the guardian, use the same heals and everything else, you should be able to have a decent test to back your initial idea.  The more data the better, as you see, there are a number of posts on these messageboards relating to SK agro issues and where people see trouble.  If you are indeed able to prove another problem area and substantiate it with evidence, so much the better for our cause to even out our game experience, which means for you, you can enjoy your class again

[DUNN]

Before LU 19 Mne was resisted plenty of times by the keeper in PP or maybe that was my DM can't rememebr now both have a green icon ARGHHHH!!!

[neverneve]

Blasphemy has always been able to be resisted, just the disease debuff hit but the hate did not stick so it let the spells recycle timer start.

[Abronz]

This is for Brodjaga...  I can totally understand what you are saying.  Not bad for a person where English is not his first language.  I can understand your situation because my parents are in the same boat.  English is not their first language but they manage to get their point across.Sorry to not interject any material into this discuss that pertains to the original subject of the post.  I just wanted to let Brodjaga know that some people out there are not rude all the time.

[Xiziz]

Pulling Decayed tomatoes sounds really [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] funny. Something my wife would say if she caught me in a moment with myself. Sk has always been the red headed step child of the classes. the only game that ever did a evil knight correctly was DND with the Blackguard class. In NWN it was an [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kicker

[VeinTro]

Ok, I really dont think you are a hardcore Sk.  If you are, even a Guardian cant hold agro from a hardcore warlock or ranger without some type of agro control class in the MT group.  I have tanked the Baraka and Siyamak with no trouble at all and only death was to an illusionist that didnt get out when the ae was called.  No, I am not the MT on the hardest mobs like the Djinn master or Adolfo, but If I was there would be absolutely no need for a Guardian.

So I am sure that your guild just doesnt know how to arrange the Raid so that you will keep agro.  Plz tell me you are not the one organizing the raid cause I am sure you dont know what you are doing.

[Rhianni]

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Ahuramazda wrote:

i dont even know what taunt your talking about, but i love playing my SK

 

actually since LU19 I have gotten the impression that SKs were improved, my char seemed much more uber, maybe its just me

 

anyway go leade ur death march to vanguard or whatever, cuz you know, this was the last straw and all, so cancel your account

 

And if you dont cancel your account youll look like a fool after your rant

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Ahuramazda you fool! Dont you know you are supposed to be playing for stats and effectiveness not for fun!?!?