Bug...?

Tz · 05-07-2005, 01:17 PM

Ok im a 21 monk atm i have 69.7% avoidance 802 mit and 800ish hp (forget exact hp and cant login). My stats are on par with alot of the tanks i see my lvl except in HP but it seems like i take 2 or 3x the amount of damage they do. Is that normal? I was just wondering I dont really tank but would like to know. Thank you in advance.

P.S. I dont want to be a god tank i belive others should tank better im just wondering why atm my stats are better and they still tank 2-3x better even without a shield.

When I logged back on I got a group in FG and was designated MT, while fighting orange lvl 25 heroics at 22 i was barely taking dmg anymore so it had to of been a bug because i am doing way way better now.

Message Edited by Tzan on 05-07-2005 02:31 AM

Message Edited by Tzan on 05-07-2005 11:25 PM

Fleaba · 05-07-2005, 06:04 PM

I actually could take a rather good beating in my 20's. Now at lvl 39 and duoing with a 36 Warden, a group of blues kick my butt sometimes, ending up with little health and power for both of us. Of course the Zerker friend of mine that is only one lvl higher can easily handle the damage they deal out. Not sure if I'm using the wrong buffs or what, but I do have 3 pieces of rare armor on and the rest hand crafted, so I am equiped with some pretty good stuff, not uber mind you, but should be able to handle the regular (did I say epic? I meant heroic....OOOPS) mob.

Message Edited by vcjester on 05-07-2005 04:32 PM

woo · 05-08-2005, 01:13 AM

your avoidance is very low, and your mit is sorta below average.. as for hp, self buffed expect to have about 90% of what warriors/crusaders have.

oh and your "i dont want to be a good tank, others are better" mentality is what gives monks a bad reputation.. we tank fine if your not a newb..

i main tank every single group.. everything from green con solos to orange con epics and red con named..

Message Edited by woode on 05-07-2005 02:15 PM

Tz · 05-08-2005, 10:18 AM

Woode i dont think you read what i said. I said i have the same stats or BETTER then tanks my level and was wondering if monks were graded on a curve that my mit even if its higher then a zerker for example will still only do half the work. And excuse me but if my stats are better and i still take more damage then I AM NOT A TANK. That is fact. Now i wanted to know why i was taking so much more damage if you dont have an answer to that question then please shut up. How do you get more then 69% avoidance at 23 without having a way higher lvl main to pay the 10-30g a piece that people want for items?

I said GOD tank not "good" tank i meant i didnt want to make it sound like i should be able to tank 30 orange con epic mobs and come out unscathed. Fact is i think monks can tank but shouldnt be as good as a guardian...make sure you read the post there bud.

Message Edited by Tzan on 05-07-2005 11:20 PM

FamilyManFir · 05-09-2005, 07:06 AM

Tzan, my opinion (which is somewhat controversial SMILEY

) is that Monks should tank just as well as a Guardian, just differently. Guardians should take more hits but mitigate more damage, Monks should take fewer hits but mitigate less.What that does mean, however, is that a Monk's damage-taken is variable. A mob can hit you 3 times in a row and do nasty damage, then the next 3 mobs can barely touch you. Add in the Monk's lower Health and fights can become touch-and-go more often with a Monk. That's my first bet on what happened to you.Also, FWIW, I have the firm opinion that, currently, Monks and Bruisers don't tank just as well as plate tanks, or Berserkers at least (since that's what I've played to directly compare with). That may change with the upcoming Big Combat Adjustment they're working on; we'll see.

Tz · 05-10-2005, 12:00 AM

Well i agree avoiding hits should make you a good tank, but i dont think I should be as good a tank as a guardian who has half my dmg... It would make the guardians useless. Im happy being a grind tank but for hard stuff i really dont belive monks should be the first choice in those situations. And your probubly right i was just getting bad rolls.

woo · 05-10-2005, 01:00 AM

1. who says guardians are supposed to be the "god" tank? why not monks?

2. fighters are all supposed to have different styles of tanking, not different abilities of tanking.

3. you came here to.. talk crap about your own class?

Tz · 05-10-2005, 02:46 AM

lol woode you cant read please go back to school SMILEY

I think the wizzies should tank like guardians too! I means comon they have very light armor its only one step down! Get a grip man the game cant have everyone tanking equal but doing diffrent damage thats just stupid. And monk being dps isnt trash talking it, Its going back to the role we filled in EQ1 big deal so chill. If they made all fighters same DPS then sure everyone should tank the same. But whats the point of having 6 fighter subclasses if they are all the same (which you advocate). there is no point. Glad you arnt designing the game otherwise we would have mage scout fighter and priest and thats it no diffrences SMILEY

bonesbro · 05-10-2005, 03:57 AM

Damage is only part of it. Group buffs, targetted buffs, special abilities, and spells are all included in balance along with damage and tanking ability. For instance, Guardians have a number of good group buffs that we lack, like their +defense and +hp group buffs. Monks have one group buff, shared with all other fighters, and the +avoidance buff, shared with all other fighters. That suggests that we should be better than Guardians in a different area.

Weighing all of these factors against one another is where balance becomes difficult, and it is very complex when you consider all of the different scenarios in the game (solo, small group, low DPS xp group, high DPS xp group, single mob epic raid, epic raid with adds, fleeing from gnomes with the plague, etc).

woo · 05-10-2005, 04:41 AM

i recently made this thread: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=16770

you might not be able to understand it, since your ignorance directs your thinking to the 'mitigation is all that matters'.

you come here asking if your bugged because you cant tank well, we tell you no. then you start arguing about us not being tanks.

guess what, this isnt EQ1, we are tanks, and you obviously are just here to argue and express your lack of intelligence.

Tz · 05-10-2005, 02:36 PM

*sigh* wood you cease to amuse at this point. I never said mit was only way to go. But i did say if you cant do damage and you can only take hits YOU SHOULD be better at taking hits then people who can also do damage. have fun now this ceases to amuse and you have no intellegent information for me to read SMILEY

OgApostrap · 05-16-2005, 01:46 AM

You do have a bit low avoidance.. I dont how old this is.. but I was at like 75-76% then.. now I am making like 72-73% solo and maybe 74% grouped.. like 43% mitigation...

05-07-2005, 06:04 PM	#2
Fleaba General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 179	I actually could take a rather good beating in my 20's. Now at lvl 39 and duoing with a 36 Warden, a group of blues kick my butt sometimes, ending up with little health and power for both of us. Of course the Zerker friend of mine that is only one lvl higher can easily handle the damage they deal out. Not sure if I'm using the wrong buffs or what, but I do have 3 pieces of rare armor on and the rest hand crafted, so I am equiped with some pretty good stuff, not uber mind you, but should be able to handle the regular (did I say epic? I meant heroic....OOOPS) mob. Message Edited by vcjester on 05-07-2005 04:32 PM __________________

05-09-2005, 07:06 AM	#5
FamilyManFir Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 499	Tzan, my opinion (which is somewhat controversial ) is that Monks should tank just as well as a Guardian, just differently. Guardians should take more hits but mitigate more damage, Monks should take fewer hits but mitigate less.What that does mean, however, is that a Monk's damage-taken is variable. A mob can hit you 3 times in a row and do nasty damage, then the next 3 mobs can barely touch you. Add in the Monk's lower Health and fights can become touch-and-go more often with a Monk. That's my first bet on what happened to you.Also, FWIW, I have the firm opinion that, currently, Monks and Bruisers don't tank just as well as plate tanks, or Berserkers at least (since that's what I've played to directly compare with). That may change with the upcoming Big Combat Adjustment they're working on; we'll see.

05-10-2005, 02:46 AM	#8
Tz Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	lol woode you cant read please go back to school I think the wizzies should tank like guardians too! I means comon they have very light armor its only one step down! Get a grip man the game cant have everyone tanking equal but doing diffrent damage thats just stupid. And monk being dps isnt trash talking it, Its going back to the role we filled in EQ1 big deal so chill. If they made all fighters same DPS then sure everyone should tank the same. But whats the point of having 6 fighter subclasses if they are all the same (which you advocate). there is no point. Glad you arnt designing the game otherwise we would have mage scout fighter and priest and thats it no diffrences

05-10-2005, 03:57 AM	#9
bonesbro Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 651	Damage is only part of it. Group buffs, targetted buffs, special abilities, and spells are all included in balance along with damage and tanking ability. For instance, Guardians have a number of good group buffs that we lack, like their +defense and +hp group buffs. Monks have one group buff, shared with all other fighters, and the +avoidance buff, shared with all other fighters. That suggests that we should be better than Guardians in a different area. Weighing all of these factors against one another is where balance becomes difficult, and it is very complex when you consider all of the different scenarios in the game (solo, small group, low DPS xp group, high DPS xp group, single mob epic raid, epic raid with adds, fleeing from gnomes with the plague, etc). __________________ Legond of Najena, Monk Ancient.

05-07-2005, 01:17 PM	#1
Tz Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	Ok im a 21 monk atm i have 69.7% avoidance 802 mit and 800ish hp (forget exact hp and cant login). My stats are on par with alot of the tanks i see my lvl except in HP but it seems like i take 2 or 3x the amount of damage they do. Is that normal? I was just wondering I dont really tank but would like to know. Thank you in advance. P.S. I dont want to be a god tank i belive others should tank better im just wondering why atm my stats are better and they still tank 2-3x better even without a shield. When I logged back on I got a group in FG and was designated MT, while fighting orange lvl 25 heroics at 22 i was barely taking dmg anymore so it had to of been a bug because i am doing way way better now. Message Edited by Tzan on 05-07-2005 02:31 AM Message Edited by Tzan on 05-07-2005 11:25 PM

05-08-2005, 01:13 AM	#3
woo Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 239	your avoidance is very low, and your mit is sorta below average.. as for hp, self buffed expect to have about 90% of what warriors/crusaders have. oh and your "i dont want to be a good tank, others are better" mentality is what gives monks a bad reputation.. we tank fine if your not a newb.. i main tank every single group.. everything from green con solos to orange con epics and red con named.. Message Edited by woode on 05-07-2005 02:15 PM

05-08-2005, 10:18 AM	#4
Tz Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	Woode i dont think you read what i said. I said i have the same stats or BETTER then tanks my level and was wondering if monks were graded on a curve that my mit even if its higher then a zerker for example will still only do half the work. And excuse me but if my stats are better and i still take more damage then I AM NOT A TANK. That is fact. Now i wanted to know why i was taking so much more damage if you dont have an answer to that question then please shut up. How do you get more then 69% avoidance at 23 without having a way higher lvl main to pay the 10-30g a piece that people want for items? I said GOD tank not "good" tank i meant i didnt want to make it sound like i should be able to tank 30 orange con epic mobs and come out unscathed. Fact is i think monks can tank but shouldnt be as good as a guardian...make sure you read the post there bud. Message Edited by Tzan on 05-07-2005 11:20 PM

05-10-2005, 12:00 AM	#6
Tz Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	Well i agree avoiding hits should make you a good tank, but i dont think I should be as good a tank as a guardian who has half my dmg... It would make the guardians useless. Im happy being a grind tank but for hard stuff i really dont belive monks should be the first choice in those situations. And your probubly right i was just getting bad rolls.

05-10-2005, 01:00 AM	#7
woo Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 239	1. who says guardians are supposed to be the "god" tank? why not monks? 2. fighters are all supposed to have different styles of tanking, not different abilities of tanking. 3. you came here to.. talk crap about your own class?

05-10-2005, 04:41 AM	#10
woo Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 239	i recently made this thread: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=16770 you might not be able to understand it, since your ignorance directs your thinking to the 'mitigation is all that matters'. you come here asking if your bugged because you cant tank well, we tell you no. then you start arguing about us not being tanks. guess what, this isnt EQ1, we are tanks, and you obviously are just here to argue and express your lack of intelligence.

05-10-2005, 02:36 PM	#11
Tz Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	sigh wood you cease to amuse at this point. I never said mit was only way to go. But i did say if you cant do damage and you can only take hits YOU SHOULD be better at taking hits then people who can also do damage. have fun now this ceases to amuse and you have no intellegent information for me to read

05-16-2005, 01:46 AM	#12
OgApostrap Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 147	You do have a bit low avoidance.. I dont how old this is.. but I was at like 75-76% then.. now I am making like 72-73% solo and maybe 74% grouped.. like 43% mitigation...