Wood Elf vs. Kerra for Monk?

darening · 01-22-2005, 08:43 PM

Has anyone tried both? Just wondering if the increased str and stam in Kerra make up for lost Agi from Wood Elf. Anyone try or group with both?

Thanks

Righteousness/Wisdom/Anointed Butcherblock

Gaige · 01-22-2005, 10:36 PM

Race doesn't matter at 50.

Leivant · 01-22-2005, 11:31 PM

Please don't tell me that stats/skills cap that early...

Before 50. Kerra is better for an offensive Monk, Wood Elf for a defensive Monk. The higher agility helps a LOT early on and mid-levels in evading melee attacks. I re-rolled as a wood elf and could tell a big difference. It's probably also easier to solo as a wood elf monk than kerra for this reason. However, if you're role will be DPS primarily and not assisting in tanking, Kerra would probably be ideal.. The difference between the two is slight - but there is a difference.

Gaige · 01-23-2005, 12:50 AM

By the time you are 50 with all the available gear, beginning race doesn't matter.

Leivant · 01-23-2005, 08:44 AM

So you're saying that skills - and attributes - cap at.... ? If they don't cap at 50 - why wouldn't it matter?

Gaige · 01-23-2005, 09:00 AM

Well they don't cap yet because 50 isn't highest lvl intended. With gear and everything else you can easily make up the 10 or so pts that seperate one class from the other. Easily.

Leivant · 01-23-2005, 10:36 AM

Right - but there will always be a gap of 10 points or so, assuming gear is identical for the two being compared.

Gaige · 01-23-2005, 10:52 AM

Leivantes wrote:

Right - but there will always be a gap of 10 points or so, assuming gear is identical for the two being compared.

Why would you assume that though?

Leivant · 01-23-2005, 11:04 AM

Oh... I see now. A kerra with better equipment buffs would be equal to a Wood Elf with lower equipment buffs in Agility after level 50... I guess I was assuming the wrong thing SMILEY

Gaige · 01-23-2005, 11:17 AM

Well there is lots of items to choose from and sure if they both maxed agility the wood elf would be higher, but so would a ratonga and eventually a froglok.

Leivant · 01-23-2005, 11:18 AM

You just like to argue. Anyway - hopefully I answered the question in the title in my first reply.

Gaige · 01-23-2005, 11:27 AM

Leivantes wrote:

You just like to argue. Anyway - hopefully I answered the question in the title in my first reply.

No, I just hate to see someone pick a specific race when in the end game it doesn't matter. Pick what you like.

Leivant · 01-23-2005, 11:51 AM

So at what point does 10 agility stop mattering?

I never played EQ1 so consider myself a noob still... but so far, at level 38, I have been able to tell a slight difference between myself and Monks of other races with lower agility/higher strength. I can tank more effectively - solo a bit easier, but deal slightly less damage.

Also

Gaige · 01-23-2005, 11:57 AM

Leivantes wrote:

So at what point does 10 agility stop mattering?

I never played EQ1 so consider myself a noob still... but so far, at level 38, I have been able to tell a slight difference between myself and Monks of other races with lower agility/higher strength. I can tank more effectively - solo a bit easier, but deal slightly less damage.

Also

True, it does. But at the same token so does every trait. But in the end game, where 200+ agility buffed is the norm, 10agi isn't a big enough difference to pick a race you don't like imho.

Auhal · 01-23-2005, 12:00 PM

I play a Kerra, and at lvl 23 I have 72 agi unbuffed. Doesn't seem to bad to me - and I have got crappy jewelery at the moment. I have around 50 strength as well I think and seem to do ok in a tanking role. To be honest though, stats aren't that important to me, I just picked the race I liked.

Leivant · 01-23-2005, 12:22 PM

Wood Elf vs. Kerra for Monk?

...

I've parsed both. As a Wood Elf, I do slightly less damage in my attacks (by about 5%) than an equal level Kerra Monk.

As a Wood Elf, I take slightly less damage as a tank than an equal level Kerra Monk.

...

So it really matters what you want to do with your Monk. Again, it's a little easier to solo (I'm talking about before stats are capped and everyone's equal) with higher agility, but DPS roles do better for the Kerra.

TunaBoo · 01-23-2005, 01:18 PM

Gage-Mikel wrote:
Well they don't cap yet because 50 isn't highest lvl intended. With gear and everything else you can easily make up the 10 or so pts that seperate one class from the other. Easily.

Race does matter skinny boy, your racial traits can give tons of agi or hp to certain races... if you think an ogre/ratonga/gnome/elf monk all play out the exact same at 50, I will beat you on the dead with a shield ;p

Gaige · 01-23-2005, 01:28 PM

TunaBoo wrote:

Gage-Mikel wrote:

Well they don't cap yet because 50 isn't highest lvl intended. With gear and everything else you can easily make up the 10 or so pts that seperate one class from the other. Easily.

Race does matter skinny boy, your racial traits can give tons of agi or hp to certain races... if you think an ogre/ratonga/gnome/elf monk all play out the exact same at 50, I will beat you on the dead with a shield ;p

<3

Awww Tuna you big teddy bear of an Ogre guardian ;p

True racial traits to matter somewhat, but as a half-elf I received a lot of agility/str/hp/sta ones, so I guess I assumed all classes do.

Leivant · 01-23-2005, 01:44 PM

Ohh.... You're a half-elf.... that explains it...

Larath · 01-23-2005, 03:24 PM

In the end, if you believe (through whatever method, parsing, feel, whatever....) that there is a certain race that makes a better monk than another, be that race. Period. If that is what matters to you, then you will be making yourself happy. Even if the difference is trivial, if the difference exists (again through whatever reasoning you want to use) and that is important to your concept, groovy, go for it. I could care less about racial differences, and I'm happy with my choice. Its a game, play as you see fit, and be happy ... otherwise what's the point of playing a game. SMILEY

Leivant · 01-23-2005, 04:08 PM

Actually -I base all my research on my third-cousin's baby-sitter's neighbor. She once met Kevin Bacon so that's supposed to mean something.

Yeah - maybe you're right, Gage... all races play monk alike. Ain't nobody attacking your chosen race.... chill.

Gaige · 01-23-2005, 04:34 PM

Leivantes wrote:

Actually -I base all my research on my third-cousin's baby-sitter's neighbor. She once met Kevin Bacon so that's supposed to mean something.

Yeah - maybe you're right, Gage... all races play monk alike. Ain't nobody attacking your chosen race.... chill.

I'm not saying anyone is and I am chill.

Your opinion is one thing, mine is another.

Quitting getting [Removed for Content] that I'm voicing mine.

Sterlingdra · 01-23-2005, 05:59 PM

I play a dwarf monk. And at 22 I have depending on weapon/gear choice..69-75 agi and pushing 60-65 strength.

For a dwarf, I feel I am way ahead of the dwarven agility curve with each piece having as close to + 3 agi and some +7. Shame there are no helms with + agi.

For my trait so far I choose the +def and unlike the +3 def I thought it was more like +5 def which is about a whole skill level in defense.

So basically I have fixed my starting lack of agi and am at a decent to high Kerra or other high starting agi class level with the good gear I have.

It is possible and real easy to do and I believe I can easily do the same if not better at level 50.

I always play dwarves and to be able to make him into the tanking freak he is I wouldnt have thought possible if not for the abundance of +3 to + 10 agi items I have seen in the mid teens early 20s.

I agree play what race you like and prefer, what seems as a + or - to a race can be fleshed out later.

Kwonryu_DragonFi · 01-23-2005, 06:28 PM

Choose the race you like. If you think Iksars look fitting for ya, choose that. If you prefer a Ratongas look, choose that.

Coriol · 01-23-2005, 08:44 PM

I play a dwarven monk too, and have had no problems at all. I'm usually dps, but I was the MT for EL boat ride at 27, and Zek at 28, and we won both. In fact, for the EL boat ride we only had five people as the intended MT (30 berserker) had already done EL access and accidentally zoned to EL, making me the only other possible choice for MT in the group. For whatever reason, dwarven monks are not common, which is fine with me - I like being less common. Most mornings I do "/ monk dwarf all" and I'm the only one on that isn't anonymous, playing on a crowded server. Dwarves have some nice racial benefits as they progress levels, incidentally, that work well with the monk class.

theko · 01-23-2005, 09:50 PM

I play a dorf Monk also and I agree with Gage, play with what ya like, beginning stats aren't that big of deal. I have 74 STR and 90 AGI unbuffed. Nice work flamin a guy that is very respected here /shake head.

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=133359113

Gaige · 01-23-2005, 10:52 PM

thekoop wrote:

I play a dorf Monk also and I agree with Gage, play with what ya like, beginning stats aren't that big of deal. I have 74 STR and 90 AGI unbuffed. Nice work flamin a guy that is very respected here /shake head.

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=133359113

Thanks for the sentiment SMILEY

TunaBoo · 01-23-2005, 11:25 PM

Gage trolls the guardian forums need to beat him up on home turf sometimes *poke*Ogre for one has no racial Agi trait.. so going ogre as a monk you will be a fat clog with no agi at 50, at least 20 points lower then a half elf.With a bard the diff may bbe 300 vs 320, no biggie. But in other groups may be 100 vs 120, which does matter. *shrug*

Gaige · 01-23-2005, 11:39 PM

TunaBoo wrote:
Gage trolls the guardian forums need to beat him up on home turf sometimes *poke*

Ogre for one has no racial Agi trait.. so going ogre as a monk you will be a fat clog with no agi at 50, at least 20 points lower then a half elf.With a bard the diff may bbe 300 vs 320, no biggie. But in other groups may be 100 vs 120, which does matter. *shrug*

Woah you guys don't get any agility racial traits?

Ha Ha, I don't troll your forums... often.

Leivant · 01-24-2005, 12:54 AM

I'm not flaming anyone... I'm answering the question in the title of this thread. Attributes aren't meaningless. I'm fine with disagreeing with Gage - and whoever else - thinks they are. Is the difference huge? No. Is the difference big enough to make you NOT pick a race you really want to play? No. You have to weigh what you want in a 'look' with what you want with your character development. Answering a question "What are the differences betweena Wood Elf and Kerra" with "pick what you want" is fine - but then arguing with someone that actually answers the question is trolling. I have nothing against Gage and like him just fine - just disagree. Hope that's all-right.

01-22-2005, 10:36 PM	#2
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Race doesn't matter at 50. __________________

01-23-2005, 12:50 AM	#4
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	By the time you are 50 with all the available gear, beginning race doesn't matter. __________________

01-23-2005, 09:00 AM	#6
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Well they don't cap yet because 50 isn't highest lvl intended. With gear and everything else you can easily make up the 10 or so pts that seperate one class from the other. Easily. __________________

01-23-2005, 10:52 AM	#8
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Leivantes wrote: Right - but there will always be a gap of 10 points or so, assuming gear is identical for the two being compared. Why would you assume that though? __________________

01-23-2005, 11:17 AM	#10
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Well there is lots of items to choose from and sure if they both maxed agility the wood elf would be higher, but so would a ratonga and eventually a froglok. __________________

01-22-2005, 08:43 PM	#1
darening Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8	Has anyone tried both? Just wondering if the increased str and stam in Kerra make up for lost Agi from Wood Elf. Anyone try or group with both? Thanks Righteousness/Wisdom/Anointed Butcherblock

01-22-2005, 11:31 PM	#3
Leivant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	Please don't tell me that stats/skills cap that early... Before 50. Kerra is better for an offensive Monk, Wood Elf for a defensive Monk. The higher agility helps a LOT early on and mid-levels in evading melee attacks. I re-rolled as a wood elf and could tell a big difference. It's probably also easier to solo as a wood elf monk than kerra for this reason. However, if you're role will be DPS primarily and not assisting in tanking, Kerra would probably be ideal.. The difference between the two is slight - but there is a difference.

01-23-2005, 08:44 AM	#5
Leivant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	So you're saying that skills - and attributes - cap at.... ? If they don't cap at 50 - why wouldn't it matter?

01-23-2005, 10:36 AM	#7
Leivant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	Right - but there will always be a gap of 10 points or so, assuming gear is identical for the two being compared.

01-23-2005, 11:04 AM	#9
Leivant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	Oh... I see now. A kerra with better equipment buffs would be equal to a Wood Elf with lower equipment buffs in Agility after level 50... I guess I was assuming the wrong thing

01-23-2005, 11:18 AM	#11
Leivant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	You just like to argue. Anyway - hopefully I answered the question in the title in my first reply.

01-23-2005, 11:27 AM	#12
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Leivantes wrote: You just like to argue. Anyway - hopefully I answered the question in the title in my first reply. No, I just hate to see someone pick a specific race when in the end game it doesn't matter. Pick what you like. __________________

01-23-2005, 11:51 AM	#13
Leivant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	So at what point does 10 agility stop mattering? I never played EQ1 so consider myself a noob still... but so far, at level 38, I have been able to tell a slight difference between myself and Monks of other races with lower agility/higher strength. I can tank more effectively - solo a bit easier, but deal slightly less damage. Also

01-23-2005, 11:57 AM	#14
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Leivantes wrote: So at what point does 10 agility stop mattering? I never played EQ1 so consider myself a noob still... but so far, at level 38, I have been able to tell a slight difference between myself and Monks of other races with lower agility/higher strength. I can tank more effectively - solo a bit easier, but deal slightly less damage. Also True, it does. But at the same token so does every trait. But in the end game, where 200+ agility buffed is the norm, 10agi isn't a big enough difference to pick a race you don't like imho. __________________

01-23-2005, 12:00 PM	#15
Auhal Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 69	I play a Kerra, and at lvl 23 I have 72 agi unbuffed. Doesn't seem to bad to me - and I have got crappy jewelery at the moment. I have around 50 strength as well I think and seem to do ok in a tanking role. To be honest though, stats aren't that important to me, I just picked the race I liked. __________________ Carrod, Human Monk, Antonia Bayle Herrick - Ratonga Bard, Antonia Bayle

01-23-2005, 12:22 PM	#16
Leivant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	Wood Elf vs. Kerra for Monk? ... I've parsed both. As a Wood Elf, I do slightly less damage in my attacks (by about 5%) than an equal level Kerra Monk. As a Wood Elf, I take slightly less damage as a tank than an equal level Kerra Monk. ... So it really matters what you want to do with your Monk. Again, it's a little easier to solo (I'm talking about before stats are capped and everyone's equal) with higher agility, but DPS roles do better for the Kerra.

01-23-2005, 01:18 PM	#17
TunaBoo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,507	Gage-Mikel wrote: Well they don't cap yet because 50 isn't highest lvl intended. With gear and everything else you can easily make up the 10 or so pts that seperate one class from the other. Easily. Race does matter skinny boy, your racial traits can give tons of agi or hp to certain races... if you think an ogre/ratonga/gnome/elf monk all play out the exact same at 50, I will beat you on the dead with a shield ;p __________________ www.spiralguild.com

01-23-2005, 01:28 PM	#18
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	TunaBoo wrote: Gage-Mikel wrote: Well they don't cap yet because 50 isn't highest lvl intended. With gear and everything else you can easily make up the 10 or so pts that seperate one class from the other. Easily. Race does matter skinny boy, your racial traits can give tons of agi or hp to certain races... if you think an ogre/ratonga/gnome/elf monk all play out the exact same at 50, I will beat you on the dead with a shield ;p <3 Awww Tuna you big teddy bear of an Ogre guardian ;p True racial traits to matter somewhat, but as a half-elf I received a lot of agility/str/hp/sta ones, so I guess I assumed all classes do. __________________

01-23-2005, 01:44 PM	#19
Leivant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	Ohh.... You're a half-elf.... that explains it...

01-23-2005, 03:24 PM	#20
Larath Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 37	In the end, if you believe (through whatever method, parsing, feel, whatever....) that there is a certain race that makes a better monk than another, be that race. Period. If that is what matters to you, then you will be making yourself happy. Even if the difference is trivial, if the difference exists (again through whatever reasoning you want to use) and that is important to your concept, groovy, go for it. I could care less about racial differences, and I'm happy with my choice. Its a game, play as you see fit, and be happy ... otherwise what's the point of playing a game.

01-23-2005, 04:08 PM	#21
Leivant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	Actually -I base all my research on my third-cousin's baby-sitter's neighbor. She once met Kevin Bacon so that's supposed to mean something. Yeah - maybe you're right, Gage... all races play monk alike. Ain't nobody attacking your chosen race.... chill.

01-23-2005, 04:34 PM	#22
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Leivantes wrote: Actually -I base all my research on my third-cousin's baby-sitter's neighbor. She once met Kevin Bacon so that's supposed to mean something. Yeah - maybe you're right, Gage... all races play monk alike. Ain't nobody attacking your chosen race.... chill. I'm not saying anyone is and I am chill. Your opinion is one thing, mine is another. Quitting getting [Removed for Content] that I'm voicing mine. __________________

01-23-2005, 05:59 PM	#23
Sterlingdra Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	I play a dwarf monk. And at 22 I have depending on weapon/gear choice..69-75 agi and pushing 60-65 strength. For a dwarf, I feel I am way ahead of the dwarven agility curve with each piece having as close to + 3 agi and some +7. Shame there are no helms with + agi. For my trait so far I choose the +def and unlike the +3 def I thought it was more like +5 def which is about a whole skill level in defense. So basically I have fixed my starting lack of agi and am at a decent to high Kerra or other high starting agi class level with the good gear I have. It is possible and real easy to do and I believe I can easily do the same if not better at level 50. I always play dwarves and to be able to make him into the tanking freak he is I wouldnt have thought possible if not for the abundance of +3 to + 10 agi items I have seen in the mid teens early 20s. I agree play what race you like and prefer, what seems as a + or - to a race can be fleshed out later.

01-23-2005, 06:28 PM	#24
Kwonryu_DragonFi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 183	Choose the race you like. If you think Iksars look fitting for ya, choose that. If you prefer a Ratongas look, choose that.

01-23-2005, 08:44 PM	#25
Coriol Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	I play a dwarven monk too, and have had no problems at all. I'm usually dps, but I was the MT for EL boat ride at 27, and Zek at 28, and we won both. In fact, for the EL boat ride we only had five people as the intended MT (30 berserker) had already done EL access and accidentally zoned to EL, making me the only other possible choice for MT in the group. For whatever reason, dwarven monks are not common, which is fine with me - I like being less common. Most mornings I do "/ monk dwarf all" and I'm the only one on that isn't anonymous, playing on a crowded server. Dwarves have some nice racial benefits as they progress levels, incidentally, that work well with the monk class.

01-23-2005, 09:50 PM	#26
theko Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4	I play a dorf Monk also and I agree with Gage, play with what ya like, beginning stats aren't that big of deal. I have 74 STR and 90 AGI unbuffed. Nice work flamin a guy that is very respected here /shake head. http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=133359113

01-23-2005, 10:52 PM	#27
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	thekoop wrote: I play a dorf Monk also and I agree with Gage, play with what ya like, beginning stats aren't that big of deal. I have 74 STR and 90 AGI unbuffed. Nice work flamin a guy that is very respected here /shake head. http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=133359113 Thanks for the sentiment __________________

01-23-2005, 11:25 PM	#28
TunaBoo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,507	Gage trolls the guardian forums need to beat him up on home turf sometimes pokeOgre for one has no racial Agi trait.. so going ogre as a monk you will be a fat clog with no agi at 50, at least 20 points lower then a half elf.With a bard the diff may bbe 300 vs 320, no biggie. But in other groups may be 100 vs 120, which does matter. shrug __________________ www.spiralguild.com

01-23-2005, 11:39 PM	#29
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	TunaBoo wrote: Gage trolls the guardian forums need to beat him up on home turf sometimes poke Ogre for one has no racial Agi trait.. so going ogre as a monk you will be a fat clog with no agi at 50, at least 20 points lower then a half elf.With a bard the diff may bbe 300 vs 320, no biggie. But in other groups may be 100 vs 120, which does matter. shrug Woah you guys don't get any agility racial traits? Ha Ha, I don't troll your forums... often. __________________

01-24-2005, 12:54 AM	#30
Leivant Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	I'm not flaming anyone... I'm answering the question in the title of this thread. Attributes aren't meaningless. I'm fine with disagreeing with Gage - and whoever else - thinks they are. Is the difference huge? No. Is the difference big enough to make you NOT pick a race you really want to play? No. You have to weigh what you want in a 'look' with what you want with your character development. Answering a question "What are the differences betweena Wood Elf and Kerra" with "pick what you want" is fine - but then arguing with someone that actually answers the question is trolling. I have nothing against Gage and like him just fine - just disagree. Hope that's all-right.