Fury Fading Early?

CherobylJ · 02-02-2005, 10:24 PM

Seeing if anyone else has seen this behaviour:

1. Buff Fury

2. In a group fight with between the 1:00-1:36 remaining on the buff it just winks out; there is no fading animation it just vanishes.

I was unable to replicate this when soloing, tried every skill combo/HO etc to get it to fade prematurely. It only seems to happen in group fights. Curious to see if anyone else has seen this happen. It is possible that it could been something introduced by zone lag etc. My guess though is that interaction with some other classes spell (was grouped with 2 inquis) or something with the new HO system is causing it.

Anyway curious to see if anyone else has seen this occur.

freakbo · 02-02-2005, 10:26 PM

Im' slightly OT, and I'm not 100% sure this is as intended; but when it does expirire you have the wait the full 90 (? i think 90..) seconds to recast.

All other buffs you cast them; and in 30 seconds you can cast again. When it expiries, no problem, you've been able to cast it for the last 2.5 minutes.

Fury drops, and you have to wait again.

Still bugged I would say.

Jher · 02-03-2005, 12:54 AM

CherobylJoe wrote:

Seeing if anyone else has seen this behaviour:

1. Buff Fury

2. In a group fight with between the 1:00-1:36 remaining on the buff it just winks out; there is no fading animation it just vanishes.

I was unable to replicate this when soloing, tried every skill combo/HO etc to get it to fade prematurely. It only seems to happen in group fights. Curious to see if anyone else has seen this happen. It is possible that it could been something introduced by zone lag etc. My guess though is that interaction with some other classes spell (was grouped with 2 inquis) or something with the new HO system is causing it.

Anyway curious to see if anyone else has seen this occur.

Definitely noticed this myself - however I don't believe (though I may be wrong!) that this is attributable to a direct modification of the Fury ability....

I noticed quite some time ago someone had posted that Fury occasionally dropped early, and to be honest, I'd had it happen a few times myself. The theory at the time was that Fury actually has a limited number of 'charges' which when spent, cause the buff to drop.

With recent beefing up of 30+ mobs, reduction in agility bonuses etc etc, mobs are hitting more than they did a while ago, and hence you may find that Fury is proccing more frequently (it only procs when a mob successfully hits you). This would bear out the above theory that Fury can only proc a limited number of times before disappearing.

-Jherad

Diabol · 02-03-2005, 01:50 AM

I've had it expire early as well, more than once, without noticing any cause...

Davish_Darkwolf · 02-03-2005, 01:54 AM

Didnt notice it fading earlier, lasts for whole 3 minutes.

What i notice though, is that now.... with Fury up, if i click the skill again (before buff runs out), i loose the Fury buff INSTANTLY having to wait 90 minutes to use it again.

Pre-patch we could click the skill before it ran out and it would refresh it, now it cancels the buff making me wait 90 secs to use it again.

So... now better not touch the skill while the buff is up, or you loose it. Either way you have to wait those 90 secs to use it again.

Dont know why they dont make Fury a almost permanent buff (like focus rage), that would add to our aggressive style, that 90sec time is lame.

CherobylJ · 02-03-2005, 02:14 AM

Davish_Darkwolf wrote:

Didnt notice it fading earlier, lasts for whole 3 minutes.

What i notice though, is that now.... with Fury up, if i click the skill again (before buff runs out), i loose the Fury buff INSTANTLY having to wait 90 minutes to use it again.

Interesting I didnt pay close attention to this, I'll look at it tonight...I think you mean 90 secs though ya?

Just for clarity folks, this is NOT the bug where if you dont refresh the buff within its 2minute 30 sec duration you will be forced to wait the 90 seconds to rebuff. This apparant "bug" is tthat he buff just completely winks out some random time through its duration.

I'm not sure the "fixed hits until expiration" is the cause. Been on many many exp grinds before this week where despite getting hit very frequently it hadnt winked out before. I started seeing this behaviour I think over the weekend.

Anyway folks please keep an eye out for this over the next couple days if you see it happen, would be good to isolate the cause.

Tyr'f · 02-03-2005, 02:18 AM

fury and the likes have a max number of procs... so if you recast before then you won't have an issue, tho this is still [FaarNerfed!] as it is not listed by the skill

Jher · 02-03-2005, 03:22 AM

Davish_Darkwolf wrote:

Didnt notice it fading earlier, lasts for whole 3 minutes.

What i notice though, is that now.... with Fury up, if i click the skill again (before buff runs out), i loose the Fury buff INSTANTLY having to wait 90 minutes to use it again.

Pre-patch we could click the skill before it ran out and it would refresh it, now it cancels the buff making me wait 90 secs to use it again.

So... now better not touch the skill while the buff is up, or you loose it. Either way you have to wait those 90 secs to use it again.

Dont know why they dont make Fury a almost permanent buff (like focus rage), that would add to our aggressive style, that 90sec time is lame.

Interesting... Not been experiencing this myself though - I've been using it tonight (just before the servers came down for the hotfix), and have been able to reapply it just before it ran out as normal...

UncleStin · 02-03-2005, 03:38 AM

Davish_Darkwolf wrote:
Didnt notice it fading earlier, lasts for whole 3 minutes.

What i notice though, is that now.... with Fury up, if i click the skill again (before buff runs out), i loose the Fury buff INSTANTLY having to wait 90 minutes to use it again.

Pre-patch we could click the skill before it ran out and it would refresh it, now it cancels the buff making me wait 90 secs to use it again.

So... now better not touch the skill while the buff is up, or you loose it. Either way you have to wait those 90 secs to use it again.

Dont know why they dont make Fury a almost permanent buff (like focus rage), that would add to our aggressive style, that 90sec time is lame.

I noticed that too. It's actually been doing that for at least 2 weeks that I can remember. They key is, if you try to recast it within about the first 30 seconds, it drops as you described. If you recast after that, it refreshes the buff. Notice that right after you cast the buff, it is not greyed out for 30 seconds even though it should be. That is probably tied into the problem... at any rate this skill is a mess. It is surprising that SOE hasn't gotten around to fixing at least one of it's many problems.

02-02-2005, 10:24 PM	#1
CherobylJ Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 395	Seeing if anyone else has seen this behaviour: 1. Buff Fury 2. In a group fight with between the 1:00-1:36 remaining on the buff it just winks out; there is no fading animation it just vanishes. I was unable to replicate this when soloing, tried every skill combo/HO etc to get it to fade prematurely. It only seems to happen in group fights. Curious to see if anyone else has seen this happen. It is possible that it could been something introduced by zone lag etc. My guess though is that interaction with some other classes spell (was grouped with 2 inquis) or something with the new HO system is causing it. Anyway curious to see if anyone else has seen this occur. __________________ ---------------------- Flair Fifteenpiece - 54 Berserker of Guk, - Co-GL Infernal Requiem formerly Flair Shieldrender 70 Overlord of Fennin Ro "And as the Overlord raised his fist to the sky, the crowds cheered below. The soldiers began their familiar chant as the citizens joined in: "Strength in unity; unity in Lucan!"

02-03-2005, 12:54 AM	#3
Jher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 138	CherobylJoe wrote: Seeing if anyone else has seen this behaviour: 1. Buff Fury 2. In a group fight with between the 1:00-1:36 remaining on the buff it just winks out; there is no fading animation it just vanishes. I was unable to replicate this when soloing, tried every skill combo/HO etc to get it to fade prematurely. It only seems to happen in group fights. Curious to see if anyone else has seen this happen. It is possible that it could been something introduced by zone lag etc. My guess though is that interaction with some other classes spell (was grouped with 2 inquis) or something with the new HO system is causing it. Anyway curious to see if anyone else has seen this occur. Definitely noticed this myself - however I don't believe (though I may be wrong!) that this is attributable to a direct modification of the Fury ability.... I noticed quite some time ago someone had posted that Fury occasionally dropped early, and to be honest, I'd had it happen a few times myself. The theory at the time was that Fury actually has a limited number of 'charges' which when spent, cause the buff to drop. With recent beefing up of 30+ mobs, reduction in agility bonuses etc etc, mobs are hitting more than they did a while ago, and hence you may find that Fury is proccing more frequently (it only procs when a mob successfully hits you). This would bear out the above theory that Fury can only proc a limited number of times before disappearing. -Jherad

02-03-2005, 01:54 AM	#5
Davish_Darkwolf Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 259	Didnt notice it fading earlier, lasts for whole 3 minutes. What i notice though, is that now.... with Fury up, if i click the skill again (before buff runs out), i loose the Fury buff INSTANTLY having to wait 90 minutes to use it again. Pre-patch we could click the skill before it ran out and it would refresh it, now it cancels the buff making me wait 90 secs to use it again. So... now better not touch the skill while the buff is up, or you loose it. Either way you have to wait those 90 secs to use it again. Dont know why they dont make Fury a almost permanent buff (like focus rage), that would add to our aggressive style, that 90sec time is lame. __________________

02-03-2005, 02:14 AM	#6
CherobylJ Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 395	Davish_Darkwolf wrote: Didnt notice it fading earlier, lasts for whole 3 minutes. What i notice though, is that now.... with Fury up, if i click the skill again (before buff runs out), i loose the Fury buff INSTANTLY having to wait 90 minutes to use it again. Interesting I didnt pay close attention to this, I'll look at it tonight...I think you mean 90 secs though ya? Just for clarity folks, this is NOT the bug where if you dont refresh the buff within its 2minute 30 sec duration you will be forced to wait the 90 seconds to rebuff. This apparant "bug" is tthat he buff just completely winks out some random time through its duration. I'm not sure the "fixed hits until expiration" is the cause. Been on many many exp grinds before this week where despite getting hit very frequently it hadnt winked out before. I started seeing this behaviour I think over the weekend. Anyway folks please keep an eye out for this over the next couple days if you see it happen, would be good to isolate the cause. __________________ ---------------------- Flair Fifteenpiece - 54 Berserker of Guk, - Co-GL Infernal Requiem formerly Flair Shieldrender 70 Overlord of Fennin Ro "And as the Overlord raised his fist to the sky, the crowds cheered below. The soldiers began their familiar chant as the citizens joined in: "Strength in unity; unity in Lucan!"

02-03-2005, 03:22 AM	#8
Jher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 138	Davish_Darkwolf wrote: Didnt notice it fading earlier, lasts for whole 3 minutes. What i notice though, is that now.... with Fury up, if i click the skill again (before buff runs out), i loose the Fury buff INSTANTLY having to wait 90 minutes to use it again. Pre-patch we could click the skill before it ran out and it would refresh it, now it cancels the buff making me wait 90 secs to use it again. So... now better not touch the skill while the buff is up, or you loose it. Either way you have to wait those 90 secs to use it again. Dont know why they dont make Fury a almost permanent buff (like focus rage), that would add to our aggressive style, that 90sec time is lame. Interesting... Not been experiencing this myself though - I've been using it tonight (just before the servers came down for the hotfix), and have been able to reapply it just before it ran out as normal...

02-02-2005, 10:26 PM	#2
freakbo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	Im' slightly OT, and I'm not 100% sure this is as intended; but when it does expirire you have the wait the full 90 (? i think 90..) seconds to recast. All other buffs you cast them; and in 30 seconds you can cast again. When it expiries, no problem, you've been able to cast it for the last 2.5 minutes. Fury drops, and you have to wait again. Still bugged I would say.

02-03-2005, 01:50 AM	#4
Diabol Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 124	I've had it expire early as well, more than once, without noticing any cause...

02-03-2005, 02:18 AM	#7
Tyr'f General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 64	fury and the likes have a max number of procs... so if you recast before then you won't have an issue, tho this is still [FaarNerfed!] as it is not listed by the skill

02-03-2005, 03:38 AM	#9
UncleStin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Davish_Darkwolf wrote: Didnt notice it fading earlier, lasts for whole 3 minutes. What i notice though, is that now.... with Fury up, if i click the skill again (before buff runs out), i loose the Fury buff INSTANTLY having to wait 90 minutes to use it again. Pre-patch we could click the skill before it ran out and it would refresh it, now it cancels the buff making me wait 90 secs to use it again. So... now better not touch the skill while the buff is up, or you loose it. Either way you have to wait those 90 secs to use it again. Dont know why they dont make Fury a almost permanent buff (like focus rage), that would add to our aggressive style, that 90sec time is lame. I noticed that too. It's actually been doing that for at least 2 weeks that I can remember. They key is, if you try to recast it within about the first 30 seconds, it drops as you described. If you recast after that, it refreshes the buff. Notice that right after you cast the buff, it is not greyed out for 30 seconds even though it should be. That is probably tied into the problem... at any rate this skill is a mess. It is surprising that SOE hasn't gotten around to fixing at least one of it's many problems.