GUARDIAN's Master1/Adept3 Effect list (make it!)

-Ys · 02-28-2005, 10:31 PM

post your Master1 Adept3 Arts Effect!

Safe Guard Master1 pow49 50%chance to intercept, takes 74% of attack damage, target takes 0%

Call of Protection Adept3 pow127 defense 14up ( examine says 14up. but it gives +15 at L50 actually&nbsp SMILEY

)

Return to Battle Adept3 pow132 defense 8up, MaxHealth 372up

Retaliate Master1 pow102 945damage ( with str290, I saw 1075damage on examine window )

all data from the Examine window.

Wyard L50 Barbarian Guardian

Butcherblock server

Lakm · 03-01-2005, 12:20 AM

Master I's

Swamp Decrease DPS of target by 1%

Interrupts Target

Inflicts 228-381 crushing damage on target

Tremor Inflict 135 damage on target

Inflict 143-239 damage on targets in area

Stun target encounter

Does not affect epic targets

Adept III's

Deafen Increase Threat by 483-591

Decrease power of target by 37

Decrease attack speed of target by 2%

Fortified Stance Slows caster by 20%

Decrease Piercing, Slashing, and Crushing by 8

Increase Defense of caster by 11

Increase AC of caster vs slashing and piercing damage by 112-150

Increase AC of caster vs crushing damage by 225-299

Vindication Inflict 154 slashing damage on target

Decrease power of target by 53

Decrease power of target by 39 every 4.1 seconds

Casts Ferocious Charge on caster. On a successful attack this spell has a 10% chance to: Strifle Target

Increase mitigation of caster vs mental damage by 582

Vengeful Strike Inflict 77-128 damage on target

Increase threat priority of target by 509 positions

Increase stamina of caster by 23

Decrease damage per second of target by 5%

Hold the Line Root Caster

Cast hold the line on caster. On a successful attack this spell has a 33% chance to: Increase threat by 162

Ferocious Charge Decrease crushing and piercing of target by 5

Inflict 42 damage on target

Decrease health of target by 31 every 3.3 seconds

Casts ferocious charge on caster. On a successful attack this spell has a 10% chance to: strifle target

Inflict 231-386 melee damge on target

Decrease slashing on target by 5

Return to Battle Cast's guardian strength on termination: increase STR of caster by 23

Increase Max health of group members by 372

Increase defense of group members by 8

Call of Protection Increase defense of group members by 14

Battle Tactics Increase max health of group members by 190

Unerring Strike Inflict 231-386 melee damage on target

Message Edited by Lakmir on 03-29-2005 11:25 PM

Lakm · 03-01-2005, 12:20 AM

Message Edited by Lakmir on 02-28-2005 11:21 AM

apme · 03-01-2005, 04:29 PM

Anger Master I Increase Threat by 275-336

Wado · 03-01-2005, 06:49 PM

Crush - Master 1 - 320 to 534 mellee damage on target

Cleave - Master 1 - Inflict 168 slashing dmg on target

Inflict 63 dmg on target

Decrease health of target by 106 every 4.1 seconds (actually hits for 170 a tick at lvl 48...i'm guessing 180 at 50)

Decrease attack spd of target by 5%

Decrease power of target by 24

Taunting Challenge - Adept 3 - Increase threat priority by 358 positions

Decrease DPS of target by 5%

Inflicts 53-89 melee dmg on target

Taunting Blow - Adept 3 - Increase threat by 171

Inflict 25-41 melee dmg on target

Message Edited by Wadoon on 03-01-2005 05:50 AM

-Ys · 03-07-2005, 05:02 PM

bamp

thx infomation everyone.

pls add more info if you have others :smileyhappy:

Napolle · 03-07-2005, 05:11 PM

i like the info on retaliate ima go adept 3 mine today =)

Aenae · 03-07-2005, 10:45 PM

These #'s are from the perspective of a L41 guardian.

Adept IIIs:

Shout - 13 power, +190 threat

Ruin - 41 power, inflict 153-256 dmg on target, -5 to slashing crushing and piercing, inflict 30 dmg on target, decrease health of target by 113 every zero seconds.

Note: DoT component broken until next patch.

Maim - 70 power, slow target by 5%, inflict 112 slashing dmg on target, inflict 41 dmg on target, decrease health of target by 82 every 4.1 seconds.

Note: In the real world this hits my target for about 150 dmg and then has three ticks of 111. I use this constantly.

Masters:

Stand Firm - 49 power, 2:16 duration, increase avoidance of target by 32%.

Note: Not sure how long this lasts, I haven't used it since the 10:00 buff change. Examine says 2:12 though.

Bury - 58 power, inflict 89-149 dmg on target, inflict 102 damage on target, reduce health of target by 64 every 2 seconds.

Note: In the real world, this hits everything for about 100 dmg and then has three ticks of 102 on my main target. I use this constantly.

Shouting Cry - 34 power, +358 threat, decrease DPS of encounter by 1%

Call of Command - 97 power, +12 defense

Note: This is incredibly grey and its STILL better than my app-4 of Call of Protection, since it's only giving me +10.

Safe Guard - 46 power, 3:00 duration, 50% chance to intercept, I take 74% my target takes 0%.

Note: This actually lasts for 10 minutes.

I have Vigilance in my bank but can't scribe it yet.

- Manii Names

- Guardian of Najena

Nastykarma · 03-08-2005, 02:12 AM

Message Edited by Nastykarma on 03-07-2005 01:15 PM

Nastykarma · 03-08-2005, 02:14 AM

Just got this today! First on the server...

Entrench (Master 1):

Decrease Attack Speed of target by 20%

Slows target by 16%

Increases AC of target vs all physical dmg by 914-1308

Concentration: 2, Duration 3:00, Effect Radius 25 meters

Lantana

Permafrost

Message Edited by Nastykarma on 03-07-2005 01:20 PM

tsaav · 03-08-2005, 05:33 AM

L37-39:Call to Battle (App1): +3parry [self] +9 Slashing/Piercing/Crushing [group]Call to Battle (Master1): +4Parry [self] +12 Slashing/Piercing/Crushing [group]L40-42Call to Battle (Master1) +4parry [self] +13 Slashing/Piercing/Crushing [group] Just noticed at L42 that actual stats are +5 and +14 (when looking at skills)Will add more levels as i...level.

Message Edited by tsaavik on 04-08-2005 03:14 AM

sylvo · 03-08-2005, 01:43 PM

Hold the Line - Adept III - pow14 - 33% chance to increase threat by 162

(25g for a 20 threat improvement... dammit!)

Farhane

Tides of Destiny

Guk Server

Napolle · 03-08-2005, 08:02 PM

still betetr than before though- ima go adept 3 mine =)

every little bit helps

RafaelSmith · 03-08-2005, 09:14 PM

sylvore wrote:
Hold the Line - Adept III - pow14 - 33% chance to increase threat by 162

(25g for a 20 threat improvement... dammit!)

Farhane
Tides of Destiny
Guk Server

Ouch, Ive been wondering weather getting HTL Adept3 was worth it...now i know SMILEY

Napolle · 03-08-2005, 09:43 PM

^^^

i wish it would have made it like 50% chance to taunt though- 33% is a tad low IMO

TunaBoo · 03-09-2005, 12:19 AM

HTL is well worth it.. and it should cost like 5-10 gold not 20. All taunts gain something at adept3, so its worth having them all adept3.

Rolsda · 03-09-2005, 02:26 AM

Aye HTL is definetly worth it

Eriny · 03-11-2005, 05:58 PM

Can anyone list the rare need to make T4, T5 skills?ruthenium cluster or ruby for Tier 5? (correct me if i am wrong SMILEY

)Tier 4 - ??

English Da Gua · 03-11-2005, 06:37 PM

ruthenium cluster and rough opal = tier 4

rhodium cluster and rough ruby = tier 5

Also, all the item drops count as well...such as opal geode, cloudy ruby etc etc

Message Edited by English Da Guard on 03-11-2005 05:40 AM

lostsandman · 03-11-2005, 07:37 PM

I have hold the line master 1 : 33% chance to increase threat by 182

man thats scuks only 20 more from adp3 to master1. SMILEY

And no increase to the chance

I will check on the power cost and post it. but its not a lot

Mirian · 03-12-2005, 11:58 AM

Smothering Cry Adept III at lvl 38 (orange con)

Increase threat by 400

Stifle Encounter

Decrease dps by 5%

Does not affect Epic Encounter

Vengefull Strike Adept III at lvl 38

Increase Stam by 18

Decrease DPS by 5%

Inflict 50-84 melee damage

Increase Hate by 400

Message Edited by Mirianna on 03-24-2005 01:28 AM

IvarIronhea · 03-12-2005, 03:06 PM

Do or Die - Adept 3 - Power 100 - Max Health 259 - Defense 6

This is as a level 37 guardian, so I expect it will rise some as I level.

Also, has anyone else noted it says it should raise the group's health/defense? I've only seen the "buff" particles on myself when casting it, never thought to check if other people's health had gone up. *chuckle*

Gumber · 03-15-2005, 04:54 AM

Suppress Master I Increase Threat by 398-486

Decrease Attack Speed of target by 2%

Sunth · 03-15-2005, 10:11 AM

Seloxia's Daunting Cry (Adept II) -

Increase Threat by 348

Decrease attack speed of target by 5%

decrease dps of encounter by 1%

Taunting Challenge (Adept III)

Inflict 53-88 melee damage on target

Increase Threat of 358

Decrease dps of target by 5%

Battle Cry (Adept III)

Increase Stamina of Group members by 6

Increases AC of all members vs phsyical damage by 169

---At 34 increases AC by 193 and Crush/Slash/Pierce resistance by 193, Stamina increase 7.

ThramFalc · 03-23-2005, 05:05 AM

Call to Battle Master 1 @ 47.6 (its blue so this is maxed)

5 to Parry (4 listed)

15 to Offensive skills (14 listed)

Call to Battle Adept 1 @ 47.6

5 to Parry (4 listed)

12 to Offensive skills (12 listed)

Just an FYI both Braksan's and Return to Battle adept 1 are giving me 8 defense (7 listed) at level 47. I have yet to hear of anyone getting more than 8 defense from this line. So no need to upgrade your spells in this line unless its for the hps.

B-Maniac · 03-28-2005, 05:04 PM

Overwhelm Master I Power: 66 Decreases Mitigation of Target vs. Slashing damage by 165 Inflict 187 - 239 damage on Target

Sazzabi8 · 03-31-2005, 10:06 AM

Deafen (Master) power 54 increase threat 508-622 decrease power of target: 46 decrease atack speed of target: 2%

Message Edited by Sazzabi8 on 06-27-2005 03:30 AM

AsheM · 04-05-2005, 04:35 PM

Iron Conviction (Master 1)

Power: 133

Increase STA of caster by 23.

(at level 47)

Taunting Assault (Adept III) - An area of effect attack, it generates extra hate with all enemies it strikes.

Power: 96

-Inflict 116-194 melee damage on target.

-Icrease threat by 495

*edited to add TA

Message Edited by AsheMan on 04-05-2005 06:55 AM

Sheol · 05-16-2005, 10:34 PM

Greatly appreciate the listings guys. Any chance you could put the training options down also? (ie level 10, 20, 30, 40 'extra' skills)

Limeh

Subtlekni · 05-16-2005, 11:59 PM

AsheMan wrote:

Taunting Assault (Adept III) - An area of effect attack, it generates extra hate with all enemies it strikes.

Power: 96

-Inflict 116-194 melee damage on target.

-Icrease threat by 495

*edited to add TA
Message Edited by AsheMan on 04-05-2005 06:55 AM

My Ap IV gives 509 Threat at 50. Were you 50 when you posted? --------------------------- Desperate Rush (Master 1) Power:23 / 117 every 30 secs. Increase Attack Speed by 55%

02-28-2005, 10:31 PM	#1
-Ys Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	post your Master1 Adept3 Arts Effect! Safe Guard Master1 pow49 50%chance to intercept, takes 74% of attack damage, target takes 0% Call of Protection Adept3 pow127 defense 14up ( examine says 14up. but it gives +15 at L50 actually&nbsp) Return to Battle Adept3 pow132 defense 8up, MaxHealth 372up Retaliate Master1 pow102 945damage ( with str290, I saw 1075damage on examine window ) all data from the Examine window. Wyard L50 Barbarian Guardian Butcherblock server

03-07-2005, 10:45 PM	#8
Aenae Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 28	These #'s are from the perspective of a L41 guardian. Adept IIIs: Shout - 13 power, +190 threat Ruin - 41 power, inflict 153-256 dmg on target, -5 to slashing crushing and piercing, inflict 30 dmg on target, decrease health of target by 113 every zero seconds. Note: DoT component broken until next patch. Maim - 70 power, slow target by 5%, inflict 112 slashing dmg on target, inflict 41 dmg on target, decrease health of target by 82 every 4.1 seconds. Note: In the real world this hits my target for about 150 dmg and then has three ticks of 111. I use this constantly. Masters: Stand Firm - 49 power, 2:16 duration, increase avoidance of target by 32%. Note: Not sure how long this lasts, I haven't used it since the 10:00 buff change. Examine says 2:12 though. Bury - 58 power, inflict 89-149 dmg on target, inflict 102 damage on target, reduce health of target by 64 every 2 seconds. Note: In the real world, this hits everything for about 100 dmg and then has three ticks of 102 on my main target. I use this constantly. Shouting Cry - 34 power, +358 threat, decrease DPS of encounter by 1% Call of Command - 97 power, +12 defense Note: This is incredibly grey and its STILL better than my app-4 of Call of Protection, since it's only giving me +10. Safe Guard - 46 power, 3:00 duration, 50% chance to intercept, I take 74% my target takes 0%. Note: This actually lasts for 10 minutes. I have Vigilance in my bank but can't scribe it yet. - Manii Names - Guardian of Najena __________________ - Aenae / Influential

03-08-2005, 09:14 PM	#14
RafaelSmith Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,808	sylvore wrote: Hold the Line - Adept III - pow14 - 33% chance to increase threat by 162 (25g for a 20 threat improvement... dammit!) Farhane Tides of Destiny Guk Server Ouch, Ive been wondering weather getting HTL Adept3 was worth it...now i know __________________

03-09-2005, 12:19 AM	#16
TunaBoo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,507	HTL is well worth it.. and it should cost like 5-10 gold not 20. All taunts gain something at adept3, so its worth having them all adept3. __________________ www.spiralguild.com

03-09-2005, 02:26 AM	#17
Rolsda Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 34	Aye HTL is definetly worth it __________________ Rolsdar Lostalott Guardian - Divine Legend Guk

03-01-2005, 12:20 AM	#2
Lakm Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	Master I's Swamp Decrease DPS of target by 1% Interrupts Target Inflicts 228-381 crushing damage on target Tremor Inflict 135 damage on target Inflict 143-239 damage on targets in area Stun target encounter Does not affect epic targets Adept III's Deafen Increase Threat by 483-591 Decrease power of target by 37 Decrease attack speed of target by 2% Fortified Stance Slows caster by 20% Decrease Piercing, Slashing, and Crushing by 8 Increase Defense of caster by 11 Increase AC of caster vs slashing and piercing damage by 112-150 Increase AC of caster vs crushing damage by 225-299 Vindication Inflict 154 slashing damage on target Decrease power of target by 53 Decrease power of target by 39 every 4.1 seconds Casts Ferocious Charge on caster. On a successful attack this spell has a 10% chance to: Strifle Target Increase mitigation of caster vs mental damage by 582 Vengeful Strike Inflict 77-128 damage on target Increase threat priority of target by 509 positions Increase stamina of caster by 23 Decrease damage per second of target by 5% Hold the Line Root Caster Cast hold the line on caster. On a successful attack this spell has a 33% chance to: Increase threat by 162 Ferocious Charge Decrease crushing and piercing of target by 5 Inflict 42 damage on target Decrease health of target by 31 every 3.3 seconds Casts ferocious charge on caster. On a successful attack this spell has a 10% chance to: strifle target Inflict 231-386 melee damge on target Decrease slashing on target by 5 Return to Battle Cast's guardian strength on termination: increase STR of caster by 23 Increase Max health of group members by 372 Increase defense of group members by 8 Call of Protection Increase defense of group members by 14 Battle Tactics Increase max health of group members by 190 Unerring Strike Inflict 231-386 melee damage on target Message Edited by Lakmir on 03-29-2005 11:25 PM

03-01-2005, 04:29 PM	#4
apme Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 36	Anger Master I Increase Threat by 275-336

03-01-2005, 06:49 PM	#5
Wado Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 67	Crush - Master 1 - 320 to 534 mellee damage on target Cleave - Master 1 - Inflict 168 slashing dmg on target Inflict 63 dmg on target Decrease health of target by 106 every 4.1 seconds (actually hits for 170 a tick at lvl 48...i'm guessing 180 at 50) Decrease attack spd of target by 5% Decrease power of target by 24 Taunting Challenge - Adept 3 - Increase threat priority by 358 positions Decrease DPS of target by 5% Inflicts 53-89 melee dmg on target Taunting Blow - Adept 3 - Increase threat by 171 Inflict 25-41 melee dmg on target Message Edited by Wadoon on 03-01-2005 05:50 AM

03-07-2005, 05:02 PM	#6
-Ys Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	bamp thx infomation everyone. pls add more info if you have others :smileyhappy:

03-07-2005, 05:11 PM	#7
Napolle Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 126	i like the info on retaliate ima go adept 3 mine today =)

03-08-2005, 02:12 AM	#9
Nastykarma Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	Message Edited by Nastykarma on 03-07-2005 01:15 PM

03-08-2005, 02:14 AM	#10
Nastykarma Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	Just got this today! First on the server... Entrench (Master 1): Decrease Attack Speed of target by 20% Slows target by 16% Increases AC of target vs all physical dmg by 914-1308 Concentration: 2, Duration 3:00, Effect Radius 25 meters Lantana Permafrost Message Edited by Nastykarma on 03-07-2005 01:20 PM

03-08-2005, 05:33 AM	#11
tsaav Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80	L37-39:Call to Battle (App1): +3parry [self] +9 Slashing/Piercing/Crushing [group]Call to Battle (Master1): +4Parry [self] +12 Slashing/Piercing/Crushing [group]L40-42Call to Battle (Master1) +4parry [self] +13 Slashing/Piercing/Crushing [group] Just noticed at L42 that actual stats are +5 and +14 (when looking at skills)Will add more levels as i...level. Message Edited by tsaavik on 04-08-2005 03:14 AM

03-08-2005, 01:43 PM	#12
sylvo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 79	Hold the Line - Adept III - pow14 - 33% chance to increase threat by 162 (25g for a 20 threat improvement... dammit!) Farhane Tides of Destiny Guk Server

03-08-2005, 08:02 PM	#13
Napolle Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 126	still betetr than before though- ima go adept 3 mine =) every little bit helps

03-08-2005, 09:43 PM	#15
Napolle Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 126	^^^ i wish it would have made it like 50% chance to taunt though- 33% is a tad low IMO

03-11-2005, 05:58 PM	#18
Eriny Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 30	Can anyone list the rare need to make T4, T5 skills?ruthenium cluster or ruby for Tier 5? (correct me if i am wrong )Tier 4 - ??

03-11-2005, 06:37 PM	#19
English Da Gua Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 203	ruthenium cluster and rough opal = tier 4 rhodium cluster and rough ruby = tier 5 Also, all the item drops count as well...such as opal geode, cloudy ruby etc etc Message Edited by English Da Guard on 03-11-2005 05:40 AM

03-11-2005, 07:37 PM	#20
lostsandman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 188	I have hold the line master 1 : 33% chance to increase threat by 182 man thats scuks only 20 more from adp3 to master1. And no increase to the chance I will check on the power cost and post it. but its not a lot

03-12-2005, 11:58 AM	#21
Mirian Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9	Smothering Cry Adept III at lvl 38 (orange con) Increase threat by 400 Stifle Encounter Decrease dps by 5% Does not affect Epic Encounter Vengefull Strike Adept III at lvl 38 Increase Stam by 18 Decrease DPS by 5% Inflict 50-84 melee damage Increase Hate by 400 Message Edited by Mirianna on 03-24-2005 01:28 AM __________________ Najena Server Crew: Mirianna Moonchaser (Dark Elf) 56 Guardian - 60 Armorer Marjena (Dark elf) 12 Cleric - 30 Alchemist Jeffrey (Kerran) 22 Predator - 30 Woodworker Vox Crew: Daranik (Ratonga) 10 Dirge

03-12-2005, 03:06 PM	#22
IvarIronhea Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	Do or Die - Adept 3 - Power 100 - Max Health 259 - Defense 6 This is as a level 37 guardian, so I expect it will rise some as I level. Also, has anyone else noted it says it should raise the group's health/defense? I've only seen the "buff" particles on myself when casting it, never thought to check if other people's health had gone up. chuckle

03-15-2005, 04:54 AM	#23
Gumber Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 13	Suppress Master I Increase Threat by 398-486 Decrease Attack Speed of target by 2%

03-15-2005, 10:11 AM	#24
Sunth General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 146	Seloxia's Daunting Cry (Adept II) - Increase Threat by 348 Decrease attack speed of target by 5% decrease dps of encounter by 1% Taunting Challenge (Adept III) Inflict 53-88 melee damage on target Increase Threat of 358 Decrease dps of target by 5% Battle Cry (Adept III) Increase Stamina of Group members by 6 Increases AC of all members vs phsyical damage by 169 ---At 34 increases AC by 193 and Crush/Slash/Pierce resistance by 193, Stamina increase 7. __________________ --Real Tanks Use Shields-- - Sunthas - Guardian - Weaponsmith - Unrest

03-23-2005, 05:05 AM	#25
ThramFalc Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 209	Call to Battle Master 1 @ 47.6 (its blue so this is maxed) 5 to Parry (4 listed) 15 to Offensive skills (14 listed) Call to Battle Adept 1 @ 47.6 5 to Parry (4 listed) 12 to Offensive skills (12 listed) Just an FYI both Braksan's and Return to Battle adept 1 are giving me 8 defense (7 listed) at level 47. I have yet to hear of anyone getting more than 8 defense from this line. So no need to upgrade your spells in this line unless its for the hps.

03-28-2005, 05:04 PM	#26
B-Maniac Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9	Overwhelm Master I Power: 66 Decreases Mitigation of Target vs. Slashing damage by 165 Inflict 187 - 239 damage on Target

03-31-2005, 10:06 AM	#27
Sazzabi8 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 68	Deafen (Master) power 54 increase threat 508-622 decrease power of target: 46 decrease atack speed of target: 2% Message Edited by Sazzabi8 on 06-27-2005 03:30 AM __________________ Sazzabi Innothule

04-05-2005, 04:35 PM	#28
AsheM Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	Iron Conviction (Master 1) Power: 133 Increase STA of caster by 23. (at level 47) Taunting Assault (Adept III) - An area of effect attack, it generates extra hate with all enemies it strikes. Power: 96 -Inflict 116-194 melee damage on target. -Icrease threat by 495 *edited to add TA Message Edited by AsheMan on 04-05-2005 06:55 AM __________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------- R.I.P. Soliloquy - 50 Guardian Slain by Station Exchange Reborn as Ashed - 60 Monk

05-16-2005, 10:34 PM	#29
Sheol Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5	Greatly appreciate the listings guys. Any chance you could put the training options down also? (ie level 10, 20, 30, 40 'extra' skills) Limeh

05-16-2005, 11:59 PM	#30
Subtlekni Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 82	AsheMan wrote: Taunting Assault (Adept III) - An area of effect attack, it generates extra hate with all enemies it strikes. Power: 96 -Inflict 116-194 melee damage on target. -Icrease threat by 495 *edited to add TA Message Edited by AsheMan on 04-05-2005 06:55 AM My Ap IV gives 509 Threat at 50. Were you 50 when you posted? --------------------------- Desperate Rush (Master 1) Power:23 / 117 every 30 secs. Increase Attack Speed by 55% __________________ Gerdona LVL 60 Guardian Mystery Meat. Currently residing at 4 Bayle Court in South Qeynos with the beautiful Evra.