When will the botness stop!!!

[whatsuppussycatwoahoh]

All i see anymore is bots people 6 boxing and doing zones and selling loots etc.. and before you say how do you know they bot? maybe there just skilled boxers.. well alot of the people who do it i know what program they use cause they told me.. Sony needs a way to detect these bots just like WoW does with warden... this is getting out of control...

I have personally seen boxers who box entire raids all of the new x4  skyshrine content boxing 4 groups.. i dont care how good  you are at boxing theres no way in hell  your gonna be able to play all the toons in the raid with alot of success.. and trust me ive parsed it and there doing mad dps Bot! Dps!...

Is sony to scared to grip this snake by the head? they afraid to lose money? what? I guarantee there losing money most of these bots that people run are for the sole purpose of selling plats for real life money on 3rd party websites.. certain ones like PA....But maybe they dont care? this is ruining peoples game play especially when no one groups anymore cause of all of the bots running rampant. why group? when you can  just buy loot at one of the many bots that run on the freeport server.. i know of 10-12 people on freeport this moment who use bots to run there toons. most all use it to run one group some use it so they can 2 group raid content or some raid content with other botters.. then you go people who acutally have 4 groups that bot entiree raid zones and can clear it.. im pretty sure that a bot guild on freeport successfully cleared udx4 and sevelak before any legit guild did.. thats pathetic!!

Can we see anything in the future that can detect this bots.. i would love something implemented.. if not.. guess its time to move on to a game where they take security and gaming community seriously.. sony seems to not care who pays them the money.. be it billy down the road or vlad the tyrant who impales people..... think about it..

[shots01]

I wasn't aware that you could use bots in EQ2.  I sure hope they put a stop to it cause me and hubby have left a game or two because of bots and the cheating.

[Kerahzey]

Ya, I agree.  SOE must be desperate for there money to let it keep happening as mush as it is.  I hate it extremely, ruins the game for me.  I ask SOE what are you going to do about it ???

[KNINE]

I have no problem running guild groups and raids with people.../shrug if you choose to buy from a bot thats your plat.. if not then who cares lol.. just run the zone urself to get the stuff.. if your not part of a raid guild then become part of one and again get the gear.. plat is so easy to obtain by yourself that does it really matter lol... how's it affect your gameplay.. do you sit and cry in the channel that they have gear they are selling lol.. jeez.. how about putting those players on ignore and then you  don't see them and boom it doesn't matter...what i hate is seeing people buy gear because they buy plat and still don't know how to play their toons.. now that bothers me.. FTP has killed the game because you have a bunch of people who just don't know what they are doing and it really makes you not want to run anything but guild grps.. if its not a guild grp for me then i just solo old zones for plat lol

[Brigh]

Boxing is not botting. Nothing wrong with people using multiple accounts while at the keyboard.

[Oink]

whatsuppussycatwoahoh wrote:

I have personally seen boxers who box entire raids all of the new x4  skyshrine content boxing 4 groups.. i dont care how good  you are at boxing theres no way in hell  your gonna be able to play all the toons in the raid with alot of success.. and trust me ive parsed it and there doing mad dps Bot! Dps!...

So they were botting 24 toons, and you somehow snuck into the zone and parsed their dps without being booted?

Every time SOE implements any kind of anti-cheating, it always ends up triggering false positives, breaking and bugging encounters for people who are trying to kill stuff legitimately, I'd hate to see what would happen if they implemented something like warden.

Meanwhile, SOE is getting paid for those 24 accounts, how exactly does preventing this help them?  To you keep one of two accounts from people who cry about everything other people do that doesn't even effect them?  I might understand your argument if you were a tradeskiller and hated crafting bots, but if they're not getting any attention, why would your bogus anecdotal evidence should cary any weight?

And it's not like GM's don't try contacting people who get /petitioned for botting or AFK leveling and kill / warn those players.  These procedures are already in place.

[Cloudrat]

Why shouldn't people be allowed to play more than one account, toon , group whatever?  These days I am lucky if I can handle one toon, but there was a time I could play a group and it wasnt as much fun as a group of friends sharing an adventure but it was fun 

[Kasar]

I boxed five at one time.. it was mostly three active and two most often just following unless I needed some PBAoE damage.  It takes practice doing it with just a desktop using a speedpad and a laptop with a USB keyboard.

Now those three could have three mercs and probably be better than the five I was doing previously.  I just don't like doing it anymore so at most I have two.

[feldon30]

Skyshrine raid content is rather easy. Why is the player blamed if he/she can simultaneously control 6 paid EQ2 clients keyboards and take down names? Boxing != Botting

[Wingrider01]

feldon30 wrote:

Skyshrine raid content is rather easy. Why is the player blamed if he/she can simultaneously control 6 keyboards and take down names? Boxing != Botting

One keyboard, multiple monitors, can box 3 on a single machine with settings down to the lowest level

[agnott]

Ormeelire@The Bazaar wrote:

Ya, I agree.  SOE must be desperate for there money to let it keep happening as mush as it is.  I hate it extremely, ruins the game for me.  I ask SOE what are you going to do about it ???

Question:

When you spotted these boxers who are actually in the field mining the game for the things they need  ...were you by any chance on a Market Place mount?

[Juravael]

Brigh wrote:

Boxing is not botting. Nothing wrong with people using multiple accounts while at the keyboard.

Exactly.

I can't say that I have ever seen 'bots' in this game.

[Lempo]

agnott wrote:

 ...were you by any chance on a Market Place mount?

Definitely sounds like they were not on their meds.

[Tylia]

whatsuppussycatwoahoh wrote:

All i see anymore is bots people 6 boxing and doing zones and selling loots etc.. and before you say how do you know they bot? maybe there just skilled boxers.. well alot of the people who do it i know what program they use cause they told me.. I find it interesting how when someone over-dramatizes, they often use a phrase like "alot of the people who do it".  And I'm guessing that you went around asking for all of these suspected people who "bot" to answer a few questions for you, like what program they use?  Sony needs a way to detect these bots just like WoW does with warden... this is getting out of control...

I have personally seen boxers who box entire raids all of the new x4  skyshrine content boxing 4 groups.. i dont care how good  you are at boxing theres no way in hell  your gonna be able to play all the toons in the raid with alot of success.. and trust me ive parsed it and there doing mad dps Bot! Dps!... How can you have "personally seen" such a thing when raid zones only allow a max of 24 people?

Is sony to scared to grip this snake by the head? they afraid to lose money? what? I guarantee there losing money most of these bots that people run are for the sole purpose of selling plats for real life money on 3rd party websites.. Again with the over-dramatizing.  Was this a question you asked as well?  Or are you just assuming? certain ones like PA....But maybe they dont care? this is ruining peoples game play especially when no one groups anymore cause of all of the bots running rampant. why group? when you can  just buy loot at one of the many bots that run on the freeport server.. i know of 10-12 people on freeport I'm guessing that this is the "alot of people" and the "most of these bots" referred to in your post? this moment who use bots to run there toons. most all use it to run one group some use it so they can 2 group raid content or some raid content with other botters.. then you go people who acutally have 4 groups that bot entiree raid zones and can clear it.. im pretty sure that a bot guild on freeport successfully cleared udx4 and sevelak before any legit guild did.. And you would know this how?  thats pathetic!!

Can we see anything in the future that can detect this bots.. i would love something implemented.. if not.. guess its time to move on to a game where they take security and gaming community seriously.. sony seems to not care who pays them the money.. be it billy down the road or vlad the tyrant who impales people..... think about it..  So, who would you consider these people who play multiple accounts to be, Billy down the road or Vlad the tyrant?  And why does it make a difference?  As long as their money is not counterfeit it shouldn't matter.

Seriously, you can't just "assume" that someone who is playing several characters at once is "botting".  It's not difficult to "box" more than one character.  Personally I'm not that coordinated, but there are plenty of people playing who are.  They do not affect my gameplay at all.  I certainly don't see it as a huge problem that is going to cause me to leave the game.  And hey, Vlad the Tyrant might be a really nice guy in game, even if his chosen career is questionable. 

[akin99]

the OP's post boils down to wah wah wah! No body wants to group with me it must be because of multiboxers. It cant be my terrible play.

So many guesses and assumptions not one fact its amazing

[Leophage]

"Botting" is the use of a thrid-party program to automate the game.  There are also in-game "bots" like the pack pony and harvesting NPCs."Boxing" is the practice of playing more than one toon at a time.  It is not cheating, it is not immoral.  It is, imo, kinda lame, but then again so is Dancing With The Stars.

[Rijacki]

If you suspect someone is using a 3rd party program to run EQ2 (i.e. "botting"), then /petition and put in the details of why you think it's so. The GMs do investigate and have several tools on their side (the server side) to monitor in ways which are impossible for a player. Players who use 3rd party apps to run the game do get banned.

However, the vast majority of the time someone is complaining about incidents of other players botting it actually isn't.

[shots01]

I agree there is a difference between boxing and bots.

Its bots (the use of an outside program running the toon) that I personally don't care for.

[OnoremDil]

/report and go about your own business. You have no idea what others are potentially capable of when not using bots. Tell SOE and get on with your life.

[Juravael]

whatsuppussycatwoahoh wrote:

I have personally seen boxers who box entire raids all of the new x4  skyshrine content boxing 4 groups.. i dont care how good  you are at boxing theres no way in hell  your gonna be able to play all the toons in the raid with alot of success.. and trust me ive parsed it and there doing mad dps Bot! Dps!...

So... you were in the raid with them?

I see.

[Koleg]

whatsuppussycatwoahoh wrote:

... im pretty sure that a bot guild on freeport successfully cleared udx4 and sevelak before any legit guild did.. thats pathetic!!

Can we see anything in the future that can detect this bots..

..... think about it..

YES!  being somewhat of a raid leader I can tell you for 100% certainty that it is PATHETIC that "some" players fail so badly that they cannot target the right mob, joust red text, cure detriments in time or stand in poop.  "Some" of the player base truely are pathetic.  Players that fail to show up with cure potions, empty ammo bags or Stat food.  Then even more players that forget to repair before the raid or ninja AFK for dinner, then the list goes on and on and on.  Gawd!  Pathetic indeed.

NO!  We "ALL" do not need any corporation 'sniffing' or 'searching' your personal PC's hard drive space, the space where you keep your banking information, the space where your keep your Tax information, the space where your GF's or SO's nudie pics are, the space where your friends and family's contact lists are kept or the space where other game corporations in competition with SOE store their software as well.  You can leave out the "If you're not doing anything wrong, why would it effect you".  We don't need even more "Big-Borother" activity going on than we already have.  The open feed webcam thing coming in the SOEmote system will have HUGE anti-privacy potential and therefore fail before it kicks off.

.... Why don't you think about it.  It's hard enough to actually get people that play the game to actually play the game "Right" becasue they are way too busy policing their fellow man.  It's starting to sound a lot like the eastern block in the 30's around here.

[Leophage]

WTB nudie pics!

[Teleboas]

The "botting" the OP is referring to are certain programs out there like ISBoxer that allows a person to box multiple accounts and all they do is set up certain keystrokes to work on every game client, so they don't have to switch between clients.

Reporting people will do nothing, since this is a program that is "allowed" by SOE.  Should it be?  I guess that depends on who you ask.

[Lempo]

Teleboas wrote:

The "botting" the OP is referring to are certain programs out there like ISBoxer that allows a person to box multiple accounts and all they do is set up certain keystrokes to work on every game client, so they don't have to switch between clients.

Reporting people will do nothing, since this is a program that is "allowed" by SOE.  Should it be?  I guess that depends on who you ask.

There is nothing wrong with ISBoxer in the way SOE allows it.

It does nothing more than allow you to click a button on your hotbar that in turn activates the spell/CA whatever on the hotbar of one of the other clients. As long as it does not automate anything, as in giving the capability to press a button that will make it auto click something every x number of seconds or automatically react to damage etc. there is nothing wrong with it at all.

[Faecia]

This thread reads to me like someone was using this bot program, did something to make the bot creators mad, got his bots taken away, and is now coming here trying to make a big stink.

[Koleg]

The day SOE starts sniffing PC hard drives is the day EQ2 dies regardless of what the reason is...

You can name all the names you like, there is a /petition process for that and it is your right to do so IN GAME, but directly naming people or specifically accusing people by name on the official forums is a violation to the forums terms of service.  Do it in the game with the /petition function as it is intended and refrain from forum violations to call out people violating the eula.  It's a hypocritical double negative.  There is no need to "prove" your point by breaking the rules. 

Blowing in ventrilo-mates is a low thing to do and only shows you as a disgruntaled member of something.  For that matter, vent is a 3rd party program the same as ACT or Guild connect and Raid Hub... all techincal eula violations due to the unintended effect they have on the game.  I think you need to use the official predetermined line if communication set up by SOE rather than breaking the rules wah wah wah'ing on the forums about people breaking the rules.

Oh abd I'll drop in my own forum violation ... /IB4L

[agnott]

When a game gets to a certain age & low populations   ..is it not a complement that some people are still willing to put in the time and effort to set up these boxes or bots?

I'll take a boxer over a tumbleweed any day.

[whatsuppussycatwoahoh]

HEHE do what you want iam done with gaming if you all want bots.. so be it.. and yes lets get this straight one more time.. BOTS!

[SOE-MOD-16]

The discussion of 3rd party programs not supported by SOE is against forum guidelines, and this thread leads to that discussion.  Closing this down.