Veteran Rewards for All! Official Feedback Thread

Isulith · 12-09-2011, 04:33 PM

Official discussion thread for "Veteran Rewards for All!" The original thread can be found here: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=511083. Please remember to keep your posts constructive!

Keikoku · 12-09-2011, 04:41 PM

What happened to the change that was coming to the way veteran rewards work? Is that still in the works?

Riftsburn · 12-09-2011, 04:42 PM

Boy, you're really making it hard for the haters. SMILEY

(Also, thanks!)

Muusic · 12-09-2011, 04:43 PM

Hooray thanks!!

Any word on when AA mirrors will be usable or Colossal reactant will be added to loot tables yet?

grimesie · 12-09-2011, 04:45 PM

And now I feel even less special for paying $180/yr + to play this game.....

Alenna · 12-09-2011, 04:48 PM

are we still getting the added time from the expansions htat added it?

Atsushi · 12-09-2011, 05:12 PM

Is this retroactive? For example my account dates back to 2000 from eq1 and around launch day for eq2, yet I only have 5 year vet rewards. I petitioned and they said it was correct yesterday.

I sort of hoped that for an 11 year old account I might have more than 5y vet bonuses.

jester0770 · 12-09-2011, 05:13 PM

Is this going to negate the whole i took 3 months off of game without paying so I got shafted on my vet reward?

Riftsburn · 12-09-2011, 05:16 PM

Atsushi wrote:

Is this retroactive? For example my account dates back to 2000 from eq1 and around launch day for eq2, yet I only have 5 year vet rewards. I petitioned and they said it was correct yesterday.
I sort of hoped that for an 11 year old account I might have more than 5y vet bonuses.

It only counts for EQ2, not EQ1. SMILEY

Ahlana · 12-09-2011, 05:16 PM

jester0770 wrote:

Is this going to negate the whole i took 3 months off of game without paying so I got shafted on my vet reward?

It does not look like it. It looks like this is a going forward thing and not retroactive.

darwich · 12-09-2011, 05:19 PM

so why am i paying a subsciption now??

Nashbry · 12-09-2011, 05:22 PM

Ahlana wrote:

jester0770 wrote:
Is this going to negate the whole i took 3 months off of game without paying so I got shafted on my vet reward?
It does not look like it. It looks like this is a going forward thing and not retroactive.

This still doesn't fix the issue that those of us who were paying a subscription for a time on EQ2X and let our "Live" sub lapse----After the merge---all time accumulated between the two as a subscriber to either were supposed to be merged (According to SJ in one of the many pre-launch videos)---They didn't merge---heck, if they want to base it on account creation date---mine goes back to November 2004---I would take that but it is not showing in game yet.

Ahlana · 12-09-2011, 05:22 PM

darwich wrote:

so why am i paying a subsciption now??

In reality no reason.

Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open

You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile.

You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff.

Nashbry · 12-09-2011, 05:23 PM

darwich wrote:

so why am i paying a subsciption now??

Because you don't want to be nickel and dimed to death for unlockers? what is your point?

Ahlana · 12-09-2011, 05:24 PM

Nashbry wrote:

Ahlana wrote:
jester0770 wrote:
Is this going to negate the whole i took 3 months off of game without paying so I got shafted on my vet reward?
It does not look like it. It looks like this is a going forward thing and not retroactive.
This still doesn't fix the issue that those of us who were paying a subscription for a time on EQ2X and let our "Live" sub lapse----After the merge---all time accumulated between the two as a subscriber to either were supposed to be merged (According to SJ in one of the many pre-launch videos)---They didn't merge---heck, if they want to base it on account creation date---mine goes back to November 2004---I would take that but it is not showing in game yet.

Well my comment wasn't really in reply to that. That seems like something SOE needs to sort out still.

TheSpin · 12-09-2011, 05:25 PM

Ahlana wrote:

darwich wrote:
so why am i paying a subsciption now??
In reality no reason.
Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open
You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile.
You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff.

FYI... The plat restriction is pretty major. You can only have 18 plat, and any plat over this amount just disappears. If you have more than that much plat you can spend it, but you can't earn any more.

Also, while you can put your plat into repair materials, so you can access it, you can't use the repair materials in place of currency because it is now flagged as heirloom.

Ahlana · 12-09-2011, 05:28 PM

TheSpin wrote:

Ahlana wrote:
darwich wrote:
so why am i paying a subsciption now??
In reality no reason.
Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open
You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile.
You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff.
FYI... The plat restriction is pretty major. You can only have 18 plat, and any plat over this amount just disappears. If you have more than that much plat you can spend it, but you can't earn any more.
Also, while you can put your plat into repair materials, so you can access it, you can't use the repair materials in place of currency because it is now flagged as heirloom.

I would hardly say it is major.. I mean seriously I have bought nothing in months and nothing more for months to come. Anyone top loaded at 90 does not "need" plat. I would wager no one needs it really at all. It is used for shortcuts and that is about it.

The tradeoff is that for a one time $15 you can get enough unlockers to swap your gear out a few times before needing any more unlockers.. and at this point in DoV how many upgrades are left for the majority of people?

cawalton · 12-09-2011, 05:29 PM

This is Great! (I think)

This is like the old way they used to do Vet rewards, based on account creation date, not how may days it was actually subscribed, you could come back after a couple years off and still get the most recent rewards.

Time to dust-off an old EQ1 account and roll-up an alt with 8 yr vet awards (if my theory is correct)

Nashbry · 12-09-2011, 05:30 PM

Ahlana wrote:

Nashbry wrote:
Ahlana wrote:
jester0770 wrote:
Is this going to negate the whole i took 3 months off of game without paying so I got shafted on my vet reward?
It does not look like it. It looks like this is a going forward thing and not retroactive.
This still doesn't fix the issue that those of us who were paying a subscription for a time on EQ2X and let our "Live" sub lapse----After the merge---all time accumulated between the two as a subscriber to either were supposed to be merged (According to SJ in one of the many pre-launch videos)---They didn't merge---heck, if they want to base it on account creation date---mine goes back to November 2004---I would take that but it is not showing in game yet.
Well my comment wasn't really in reply to that. That seems like something SOE needs to sort out still.

I just wish SJ or some "red-name" would come out and clarify things---that is all I am asking. A simple "We're on it and continuing to look at it" or even a "We are sorry, we miscommunicated that information early on and we aren't going to be able to do that" would suffice and I would drop the issue all together.

SlawSlayer · 12-09-2011, 05:32 PM

Thank You!

Raagh · 12-09-2011, 05:33 PM

When will this be patched in ? My account for EQ2 goes back to 2005 when I started playing, but the rewards for that long don't show up yet.

TheSpin · 12-09-2011, 05:33 PM

Ahlana wrote:

TheSpin wrote:
Ahlana wrote:
darwich wrote:
so why am i paying a subsciption now??
In reality no reason.
Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open
You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile.
You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff.
FYI... The plat restriction is pretty major. You can only have 18 plat, and any plat over this amount just disappears. If you have more than that much plat you can spend it, but you can't earn any more.
Also, while you can put your plat into repair materials, so you can access it, you can't use the repair materials in place of currency because it is now flagged as heirloom.
I would hardly say it is major.. I mean seriously I have bought nothing in months and nothing more for months to come. Anyone top loaded at 90 does not "need" plat. I would wager no one needs it really at all. It is used for shortcuts and that is about it.
The tradeoff is that for a one time $15 you can get enough unlockers to swap your gear out a few times before needing any more unlockers.. and at this point in DoV how many upgrades are left for the majority of people?

You can't buy loot rights... this is pretty major for some players. Also, masters and collectables are things that are good to have plat for. Some people see the accumulation of plat as a major reason to play the game. I know my mother playes and doesn't really do much other than craft and sell her wares and she's got like 10 times plat more than I have.

Kuulei · 12-09-2011, 05:35 PM

Atsushi wrote:

Is this retroactive? For example my account dates back to 2000 from eq1 and around launch day for eq2, yet I only have 5 year vet rewards. I petitioned and they said it was correct yesterday.
I sort of hoped that for an 11 year old account I might have more than 5y vet bonuses.

Its not account age of eq1, but eq2.

Same for me, this account, like 12 years old, but my EQ acct age is 8 (some time was added in early releases to time played for purchasing expansions)

Nashbry · 12-09-2011, 05:37 PM

TheSpin wrote:

Ahlana wrote:
TheSpin wrote:
Ahlana wrote:
darwich wrote:
so why am i paying a subsciption now??
In reality no reason.
Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open
You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile.
You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff.
FYI... The plat restriction is pretty major. You can only have 18 plat, and any plat over this amount just disappears. If you have more than that much plat you can spend it, but you can't earn any more.
Also, while you can put your plat into repair materials, so you can access it, you can't use the repair materials in place of currency because it is now flagged as heirloom.
I would hardly say it is major.. I mean seriously I have bought nothing in months and nothing more for months to come. Anyone top loaded at 90 does not "need" plat. I would wager no one needs it really at all. It is used for shortcuts and that is about it.
The tradeoff is that for a one time $15 you can get enough unlockers to swap your gear out a few times before needing any more unlockers.. and at this point in DoV how many upgrades are left for the majority of people?
You can't buy loot rights... this is pretty major for some players. Also, masters and collectables are things that are good to have plat for. Some people see the accumulation of plat as a major reason to play the game. I know my mother playes and doesn't really do much other than craft and sell her wares and she's got like 10 times plat more than I have.

Awesome mental image -- *phones up mom* Hey ma, I know I just borrowed 15$ of real cash from you for unlocks but could you spare me some Plat?

TheSpin · 12-09-2011, 05:40 PM

Nashbry wrote:

TheSpin wrote:
Ahlana wrote:
TheSpin wrote:
Ahlana wrote:
darwich wrote:
so why am i paying a subsciption now??
In reality no reason.
Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open
You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile.
You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff.
FYI... The plat restriction is pretty major. You can only have 18 plat, and any plat over this amount just disappears. If you have more than that much plat you can spend it, but you can't earn any more.
Also, while you can put your plat into repair materials, so you can access it, you can't use the repair materials in place of currency because it is now flagged as heirloom.
I would hardly say it is major.. I mean seriously I have bought nothing in months and nothing more for months to come. Anyone top loaded at 90 does not "need" plat. I would wager no one needs it really at all. It is used for shortcuts and that is about it.
The tradeoff is that for a one time $15 you can get enough unlockers to swap your gear out a few times before needing any more unlockers.. and at this point in DoV how many upgrades are left for the majority of people?
You can't buy loot rights... this is pretty major for some players. Also, masters and collectables are things that are good to have plat for. Some people see the accumulation of plat as a major reason to play the game. I know my mother playes and doesn't really do much other than craft and sell her wares and she's got like 10 times plat more than I have.
Awesome mental image -- *phones up mom* Hey ma, I know I just borrowed 15$ of real cash from you for unlocks but could you spare me some Plat?

I know... right? although unfortunately, through a series of events we actually don't play on the same server. Crazy I know.

Hozuki · 12-09-2011, 05:42 PM

PLEASE SOE:

PLEASE SMOKEJUMPER:

PLEASE ISULITH:

This is GREAT news, you have taken LEAPS AND BOUNDS in the area of customer service and giving back to your FANS and SUPPORTERS!!! The good decisions and news just keep coming.. but in light of this recent development: PLEASE make this retro-active for us loyal ex-EQ2Live subscribers. It sucks so bad that because I was unable to play EQ2 for awhile (due to not having a computer) that I am somehow less of a vet than before. Its akin to saying that since I didn't pay for that month, I didn't exist to you. I was already "paying" for that decision by missing out on: the whole game since eq2 was F2P then, missing out on LIVE events that I will never get to experience again, and everything else that came with subscribing. But to make it so even though I pre-ordered the original EQ2 and have paid much over $1000 dollars in that time, I essentially didn't matter/exist for those months where I couldn't PAY could PLAY. Please do right by us, the veterans, those that have supported EQ2 from the beginning, thats what a vet is, it should be a reward for early adopters, not just those who never had the misfortune in 7 YEARS to be UNABLE to play. That's almost callous feeling to me.. The only reason I can see that this wasn't the case the entire time was to push the "passport" $5 3/day sub. which I was UNAWARE of during the time I was away, so I'm basically having those months of my account age taken away, never to be returned, talk about adding insult to injury. Now that there is no more "passport sub" this seems like the best way to extend an olive branch to those who WERE supporters of EQ2LIVE as opposed to the new F2P only model. Making veteran reward time "free AGAIN" was the right thing to do, but now all returning vets, and those who returned before, but missed some time, will be left with a sour taste in their mouths when they look at their account age, and see that for awhile they counted for nothing to EQ2. The world didn't stop when we weren't able to be apart of it, but somehow our existence did. That hurts, when I came back I immediately spent over $200 on subs, expansions, station store, only then did I notice that my account age in-game =/= the date I joined this world of Norrath. Such a blow to those that have put years into this game.

Please consider this, it wont HURT anybody, it can only HELP: the fans, the early adopters, it will give yet another reason for vets to return which can only help the player base and EQ2's pocketbooks. I've never thought of SOE as a "money-grabbing" company UNLIKE some of the OTHER competitors, and all these recent developments SUPPORT that vision. But I think you could take it 1/2 step further and do right by your early supporters. We are talking about some in-game items that don't give anyone a competitive advantage, they are just fun "thank you for supporting us" things. Only one reward a year, its not like there is a reward every month, that I could understand, heck I could even understand the OLD system of paying every month for vet time NOW that EQ2 is F2P, it makes much MORE sense than having that model when Everquest 2 was only playable if you actually had a subscription in the first place.

PLEASE SOE, Help us out, like we early adopters helped you out 7+ years ago.

Thank you,

Tracker Dunn

-Joined 12/12/2004

Vet time: 5 yrs 8 months 12 days...

SMILEY

Zorastiz · 12-09-2011, 05:53 PM

Atsushi wrote:

Is this retroactive? For example my account dates back to 2000 from eq1 and around launch day for eq2, yet I only have 5 year vet rewards. I petitioned and they said it was correct yesterday.
I sort of hoped that for an 11 year old account I might have more than 5y vet bonuses.

I am in the same boat, EQ1 then EQ2 yet only 5 years total.

Rijacki · 12-09-2011, 05:57 PM

darwich wrote:

so why am i paying a subsciption now??

Recurring subscription gets 500SC/mo

Subscription/Gold does get more bag slots, bank slots, ability to carry more plat, no unlocks required for anything on any character new or old, send mail as well as receive, unlimted broker access, unrestricted chat channels, etc.

I hope, though, when (if) the Vet rewards change to a token system that subscribers get more tokens than Silver/Free per month.

Gravy · 12-09-2011, 05:58 PM

Hozuki@Befallen wrote:

PLEASE SOE:
PLEASE SMOKEJUMPER:
PLEASE ISULITH:
This is GREAT news, you have taken LEAPS AND BOUNDS in the area of customer service and giving back to your FANS and SUPPORTERS!!! The good decisions and news just keep coming.. but in light of this recent development: PLEASE make this retro-active for us loyal ex-EQ2Live subscribers. It sucks so bad that because I was unable to play EQ2 for awhile (due to not having a computer) that I am somehow less of a vet than before. Its akin to saying that since I didn't pay for that month, I didn't exist to you. I was already "paying" for that decision by missing out on: the whole game since eq2 was F2P then, missing out on LIVE events that I will never get to experience again, and everything else that came with subscribing. But to make it so even though I pre-ordered the original EQ2 and have paid much over $1000 dollars in that time, I essentially didn't matter/exist for those months where I couldn't PAY could PLAY. Please do right by us, the veterans, those that have supported EQ2 from the beginning, thats what a vet is, it should be a reward for early adopters, not just those who never had the misfortune in 7 YEARS to be UNABLE to play. That's almost callous feeling to me.. The only reason I can see that this wasn't the case the entire time was to push the "passport" $5 3/day sub. which I was UNAWARE of during the time I was away, so I'm basically having those months of my account age taken away, never to be returned, talk about adding insult to injury. Now that there is no more "passport sub" this seems like the best way to extend an olive branch to those who WERE supporters of EQ2LIVE as opposed to the new F2P only model. Making veteran reward time "free AGAIN" was the right thing to do, but now all returning vets, and those who returned before, but missed some time, will be left with a sour taste in their mouths when they look at their account age, and see that for awhile they counted for nothing to EQ2. The world didn't stop when we weren't able to be apart of it, but somehow our existence did. That hurts, when I came back I immediately spent over $200 on subs, expansions, station store, only then did I notice that my account age in-game =/= the date I joined this world of Norrath. Such a blow to those that have put years into this game.
Please consider this, it wont HURT anybody, it can only HELP: the fans, the early adopters, it will give yet another reason for vets to return which can only help the player base and EQ2's pocketbooks. I've never thought of SOE as a "money-grabbing" company UNLIKE some of the OTHER competitors, and all these recent developments SUPPORT that vision. But I think you could take it 1/2 step further and do right by your early supporters. We are talking about some in-game items that don't give anyone a competitive advantage, they are just fun "thank you for supporting us" things. Only one reward a year, its not like there is a reward every month, that I could understand, heck I could even understand the OLD system of paying every month for vet time NOW that EQ2 is F2P, it makes much MORE sense than having that model when Everquest 2 was only playable if you actually had a subscription in the first place.
PLEASE SOE, Help us out, like we early adopters helped you out 7+ years ago.
Thank you,
Tracker Dunn
-Joined 12/12/2004
Vet time: 5 yrs 8 months 12 days...

I have no idea what you want.

Try again, but ask in one simple sentence.

Hozuki · 12-09-2011, 06:05 PM

Gravy wrote:

Hozuki@Befallen wrote:
PLEASE SOE:
PLEASE SMOKEJUMPER:
PLEASE ISULITH:
This is GREAT news, you have taken LEAPS AND BOUNDS in the area of customer service and giving back to your FANS and SUPPORTERS!!! The good decisions and news just keep coming.. but in light of this recent development: PLEASE make this retro-active for us loyal ex-EQ2Live subscribers. It sucks so bad that because I was unable to play EQ2 for awhile (due to not having a computer) that I am somehow less of a vet than before. Its akin to saying that since I didn't pay for that month, I didn't exist to you. I was already "paying" for that decision by missing out on: the whole game since eq2 was F2P then, missing out on LIVE events that I will never get to experience again, and everything else that came with subscribing. But to make it so even though I pre-ordered the original EQ2 and have paid much over $1000 dollars in that time, I essentially didn't matter/exist for those months where I couldn't PAY could PLAY. Please do right by us, the veterans, those that have supported EQ2 from the beginning, thats what a vet is, it should be a reward for early adopters, not just those who never had the misfortune in 7 YEARS to be UNABLE to play. That's almost callous feeling to me.. The only reason I can see that this wasn't the case the entire time was to push the "passport" $5 3/day sub. which I was UNAWARE of during the time I was away, so I'm basically having those months of my account age taken away, never to be returned, talk about adding insult to injury. Now that there is no more "passport sub" this seems like the best way to extend an olive branch to those who WERE supporters of EQ2LIVE as opposed to the new F2P only model. Making veteran reward time "free AGAIN" was the right thing to do, but now all returning vets, and those who returned before, but missed some time, will be left with a sour taste in their mouths when they look at their account age, and see that for awhile they counted for nothing to EQ2. The world didn't stop when we weren't able to be apart of it, but somehow our existence did. That hurts, when I came back I immediately spent over $200 on subs, expansions, station store, only then did I notice that my account age in-game =/= the date I joined this world of Norrath. Such a blow to those that have put years into this game.
Please consider this, it wont HURT anybody, it can only HELP: the fans, the early adopters, it will give yet another reason for vets to return which can only help the player base and EQ2's pocketbooks. I've never thought of SOE as a "money-grabbing" company UNLIKE some of the OTHER competitors, and all these recent developments SUPPORT that vision. But I think you could take it 1/2 step further and do right by your early supporters. We are talking about some in-game items that don't give anyone a competitive advantage, they are just fun "thank you for supporting us" things. Only one reward a year, its not like there is a reward every month, that I could understand, heck I could even understand the OLD system of paying every month for vet time NOW that EQ2 is F2P, it makes much MORE sense than having that model when Everquest 2 was only playable if you actually had a subscription in the first place.
PLEASE SOE, Help us out, like we early adopters helped you out 7+ years ago.
Thank you,
Tracker Dunn
-Joined 12/12/2004
Vet time: 5 yrs 8 months 12 days...
I have no idea what you want.
Try again, but ask in one simple sentence.

Make Vet Reward Time based off: Account creation date.

Why do it any other way? if its only rewarding you for months you paid for, not how long you've been a vet, then that just doesn't make sense. It doesn't show much thanks.

12-09-2011, 04:42 PM	#3
Riftsburn Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 86	Boy, you're really making it hard for the haters. (Also, thanks!)

12-09-2011, 04:43 PM	#4
Muusic Server: Venekor Guild: New Age Rank: Leaders Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 295	Hooray thanks!! Any word on when AA mirrors will be usable or Colossal reactant will be added to loot tables yet? __________________ Muusic 92-320AA Troub/92 Grandmaster Jeweler-Venekor born Muusic 92-320AA Troub/92 Grandmaster Jeweler-Antonia Bayle Imyourr 92-320AA Dirge/92 Grandmaster Tailor-Venekor born Wecanbe 92 - 320AA Warden/92 Grandmaster Provisioner Myndtrixx 92/320AA Illusionist - Antonia bayle Avithax 92 - 320AA Shadowknight - Nagafen Silencess 92-320AA Conji/92 Grandmaster Sage- Venekor born Alisylent 92/320AA Ranger/92 Grandmaster Weaponsmith- Antonia Bayle Amphlify 92 - 320AA Dirge Antonia Bayle Smiiles 92-320AA Monk/92 Grandmaster Jeweler-Antonia Bayle Avithax 92 - 320AA Shadowknight/92 Grandmaster Alchemist - Antonia Bayle Playforr - 92/320AA Defiler - Antonia Bayle

12-09-2011, 04:45 PM	#5
grimesie Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14	And now I feel even less special for paying $180/yr + to play this game..... __________________ Farorea Swashbuckler Antonia Bayle

12-09-2011, 04:48 PM	#6
Alenna Server: Guk Guild: Defenders of the Light Rank: Count Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,938	are we still getting the added time from the expansions htat added it? __________________

12-09-2011, 05:13 PM	#8
jester0770 Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 68	Is this going to negate the whole i took 3 months off of game without paying so I got shafted on my vet reward? __________________

12-09-2011, 04:33 PM	#1
Isulith Community Relations Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 391	Official discussion thread for "Veteran Rewards for All!" The original thread can be found here: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=511083. Please remember to keep your posts constructive!

12-09-2011, 04:41 PM	#2
Keikoku Server: Permafrost Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 453	What happened to the change that was coming to the way veteran rewards work? Is that still in the works?

12-09-2011, 05:12 PM	#7
Atsushi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	Is this retroactive? For example my account dates back to 2000 from eq1 and around launch day for eq2, yet I only have 5 year vet rewards. I petitioned and they said it was correct yesterday. I sort of hoped that for an 11 year old account I might have more than 5y vet bonuses.

12-09-2011, 05:16 PM	#9
Riftsburn Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 86	Atsushi wrote: Is this retroactive? For example my account dates back to 2000 from eq1 and around launch day for eq2, yet I only have 5 year vet rewards. I petitioned and they said it was correct yesterday. I sort of hoped that for an 11 year old account I might have more than 5y vet bonuses. It only counts for EQ2, not EQ1.

12-09-2011, 05:16 PM	#10
Ahlana Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,238	jester0770 wrote: Is this going to negate the whole i took 3 months off of game without paying so I got shafted on my vet reward? It does not look like it. It looks like this is a going forward thing and not retroactive. __________________

12-09-2011, 05:19 PM	#11
darwich Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 840	so why am i paying a subsciption now??

12-09-2011, 05:22 PM	#12
Nashbry Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 78	Ahlana wrote: jester0770 wrote: Is this going to negate the whole i took 3 months off of game without paying so I got shafted on my vet reward? It does not look like it. It looks like this is a going forward thing and not retroactive. This still doesn't fix the issue that those of us who were paying a subscription for a time on EQ2X and let our "Live" sub lapse----After the merge---all time accumulated between the two as a subscriber to either were supposed to be merged (According to SJ in one of the many pre-launch videos)---They didn't merge---heck, if they want to base it on account creation date---mine goes back to November 2004---I would take that but it is not showing in game yet.

12-09-2011, 05:22 PM	#13
Ahlana Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,238	darwich wrote: so why am i paying a subsciption now?? In reality no reason. Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile. You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff. __________________

12-09-2011, 05:23 PM	#14
Nashbry Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 78	darwich wrote: so why am i paying a subsciption now?? Because you don't want to be nickel and dimed to death for unlockers? what is your point?

12-09-2011, 05:24 PM	#15
Ahlana Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,238	Nashbry wrote: Ahlana wrote: jester0770 wrote: Is this going to negate the whole i took 3 months off of game without paying so I got shafted on my vet reward? It does not look like it. It looks like this is a going forward thing and not retroactive. This still doesn't fix the issue that those of us who were paying a subscription for a time on EQ2X and let our "Live" sub lapse----After the merge---all time accumulated between the two as a subscriber to either were supposed to be merged (According to SJ in one of the many pre-launch videos)---They didn't merge---heck, if they want to base it on account creation date---mine goes back to November 2004---I would take that but it is not showing in game yet. Well my comment wasn't really in reply to that. That seems like something SOE needs to sort out still. __________________

12-09-2011, 05:25 PM	#16
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	Ahlana wrote: darwich wrote: so why am i paying a subsciption now?? In reality no reason. Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile. You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff. FYI... The plat restriction is pretty major. You can only have 18 plat, and any plat over this amount just disappears. If you have more than that much plat you can spend it, but you can't earn any more. Also, while you can put your plat into repair materials, so you can access it, you can't use the repair materials in place of currency because it is now flagged as heirloom.

12-09-2011, 05:28 PM	#17
Ahlana Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,238	TheSpin wrote: Ahlana wrote: darwich wrote: so why am i paying a subsciption now?? In reality no reason. Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile. You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff. FYI... The plat restriction is pretty major. You can only have 18 plat, and any plat over this amount just disappears. If you have more than that much plat you can spend it, but you can't earn any more. Also, while you can put your plat into repair materials, so you can access it, you can't use the repair materials in place of currency because it is now flagged as heirloom. I would hardly say it is major.. I mean seriously I have bought nothing in months and nothing more for months to come. Anyone top loaded at 90 does not "need" plat. I would wager no one needs it really at all. It is used for shortcuts and that is about it. The tradeoff is that for a one time $15 you can get enough unlockers to swap your gear out a few times before needing any more unlockers.. and at this point in DoV how many upgrades are left for the majority of people? __________________

12-09-2011, 05:29 PM	#18
cawalton Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 145	This is Great! (I think) This is like the old way they used to do Vet rewards, based on account creation date, not how may days it was actually subscribed, you could come back after a couple years off and still get the most recent rewards. Time to dust-off an old EQ1 account and roll-up an alt with 8 yr vet awards (if my theory is correct)

12-09-2011, 05:30 PM	#19
Nashbry Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 78	Ahlana wrote: Nashbry wrote: Ahlana wrote: jester0770 wrote: Is this going to negate the whole i took 3 months off of game without paying so I got shafted on my vet reward? It does not look like it. It looks like this is a going forward thing and not retroactive. This still doesn't fix the issue that those of us who were paying a subscription for a time on EQ2X and let our "Live" sub lapse----After the merge---all time accumulated between the two as a subscriber to either were supposed to be merged (According to SJ in one of the many pre-launch videos)---They didn't merge---heck, if they want to base it on account creation date---mine goes back to November 2004---I would take that but it is not showing in game yet. Well my comment wasn't really in reply to that. That seems like something SOE needs to sort out still. I just wish SJ or some "red-name" would come out and clarify things---that is all I am asking. A simple "We're on it and continuing to look at it" or even a "We are sorry, we miscommunicated that information early on and we aren't going to be able to do that" would suffice and I would drop the issue all together.

12-09-2011, 05:32 PM	#20
SlawSlayer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Thank You! __________________

12-09-2011, 05:33 PM	#21
Raagh Server: The Bazaar Guild: Whisper of the Dragon Rank: Knight of the Gate Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 11	When will this be patched in ? My account for EQ2 goes back to 2005 when I started playing, but the rewards for that long don't show up yet. __________________

12-09-2011, 05:33 PM	#22
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	Ahlana wrote: TheSpin wrote: Ahlana wrote: darwich wrote: so why am i paying a subsciption now?? In reality no reason. Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile. You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff. FYI... The plat restriction is pretty major. You can only have 18 plat, and any plat over this amount just disappears. If you have more than that much plat you can spend it, but you can't earn any more. Also, while you can put your plat into repair materials, so you can access it, you can't use the repair materials in place of currency because it is now flagged as heirloom. I would hardly say it is major.. I mean seriously I have bought nothing in months and nothing more for months to come. Anyone top loaded at 90 does not "need" plat. I would wager no one needs it really at all. It is used for shortcuts and that is about it. The tradeoff is that for a one time $15 you can get enough unlockers to swap your gear out a few times before needing any more unlockers.. and at this point in DoV how many upgrades are left for the majority of people? You can't buy loot rights... this is pretty major for some players. Also, masters and collectables are things that are good to have plat for. Some people see the accumulation of plat as a major reason to play the game. I know my mother playes and doesn't really do much other than craft and sell her wares and she's got like 10 times plat more than I have.

12-09-2011, 05:35 PM	#23
Kuulei Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 468	Atsushi wrote: Is this retroactive? For example my account dates back to 2000 from eq1 and around launch day for eq2, yet I only have 5 year vet rewards. I petitioned and they said it was correct yesterday. I sort of hoped that for an 11 year old account I might have more than 5y vet bonuses. Its not account age of eq1, but eq2. Same for me, this account, like 12 years old, but my EQ acct age is 8 (some time was added in early releases to time played for purchasing expansions) __________________ Kuulei ~ Warden of Test

12-09-2011, 05:37 PM	#24
Nashbry Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 78	TheSpin wrote: Ahlana wrote: TheSpin wrote: Ahlana wrote: darwich wrote: so why am i paying a subsciption now?? In reality no reason. Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile. You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff. FYI... The plat restriction is pretty major. You can only have 18 plat, and any plat over this amount just disappears. If you have more than that much plat you can spend it, but you can't earn any more. Also, while you can put your plat into repair materials, so you can access it, you can't use the repair materials in place of currency because it is now flagged as heirloom. I would hardly say it is major.. I mean seriously I have bought nothing in months and nothing more for months to come. Anyone top loaded at 90 does not "need" plat. I would wager no one needs it really at all. It is used for shortcuts and that is about it. The tradeoff is that for a one time $15 you can get enough unlockers to swap your gear out a few times before needing any more unlockers.. and at this point in DoV how many upgrades are left for the majority of people? You can't buy loot rights... this is pretty major for some players. Also, masters and collectables are things that are good to have plat for. Some people see the accumulation of plat as a major reason to play the game. I know my mother playes and doesn't really do much other than craft and sell her wares and she's got like 10 times plat more than I have. Awesome mental image -- phones up mom Hey ma, I know I just borrowed 15$ of real cash from you for unlocks but could you spare me some Plat?

12-09-2011, 05:40 PM	#25
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	Nashbry wrote: TheSpin wrote: Ahlana wrote: TheSpin wrote: Ahlana wrote: darwich wrote: so why am i paying a subsciption now?? In reality no reason. Your character was grandfathered in.. so you have your race/class open You can pay a month worth of sub price for 50 gear unlocks.. and then not bother with any money for awhile. You lose bag space and amount of plat you can earn... but seems a good tradeoff. FYI... The plat restriction is pretty major. You can only have 18 plat, and any plat over this amount just disappears. If you have more than that much plat you can spend it, but you can't earn any more. Also, while you can put your plat into repair materials, so you can access it, you can't use the repair materials in place of currency because it is now flagged as heirloom. I would hardly say it is major.. I mean seriously I have bought nothing in months and nothing more for months to come. Anyone top loaded at 90 does not "need" plat. I would wager no one needs it really at all. It is used for shortcuts and that is about it. The tradeoff is that for a one time $15 you can get enough unlockers to swap your gear out a few times before needing any more unlockers.. and at this point in DoV how many upgrades are left for the majority of people? You can't buy loot rights... this is pretty major for some players. Also, masters and collectables are things that are good to have plat for. Some people see the accumulation of plat as a major reason to play the game. I know my mother playes and doesn't really do much other than craft and sell her wares and she's got like 10 times plat more than I have. Awesome mental image -- phones up mom Hey ma, I know I just borrowed 15$ of real cash from you for unlocks but could you spare me some Plat? I know... right? although unfortunately, through a series of events we actually don't play on the same server. Crazy I know.

12-09-2011, 05:42 PM	#26
Hozuki Server: Befallen Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 14	PLEASE SOE: PLEASE SMOKEJUMPER: PLEASE ISULITH: This is GREAT news, you have taken LEAPS AND BOUNDS in the area of customer service and giving back to your FANS and SUPPORTERS!!! The good decisions and news just keep coming.. but in light of this recent development: PLEASE make this retro-active for us loyal ex-EQ2Live subscribers. It sucks so bad that because I was unable to play EQ2 for awhile (due to not having a computer) that I am somehow less of a vet than before. Its akin to saying that since I didn't pay for that month, I didn't exist to you. I was already "paying" for that decision by missing out on: the whole game since eq2 was F2P then, missing out on LIVE events that I will never get to experience again, and everything else that came with subscribing. But to make it so even though I pre-ordered the original EQ2 and have paid much over $1000 dollars in that time, I essentially didn't matter/exist for those months where I couldn't PAY could PLAY. Please do right by us, the veterans, those that have supported EQ2 from the beginning, thats what a vet is, it should be a reward for early adopters, not just those who never had the misfortune in 7 YEARS to be UNABLE to play. That's almost callous feeling to me.. The only reason I can see that this wasn't the case the entire time was to push the "passport" $5 3/day sub. which I was UNAWARE of during the time I was away, so I'm basically having those months of my account age taken away, never to be returned, talk about adding insult to injury. Now that there is no more "passport sub" this seems like the best way to extend an olive branch to those who WERE supporters of EQ2LIVE as opposed to the new F2P only model. Making veteran reward time "free AGAIN" was the right thing to do, but now all returning vets, and those who returned before, but missed some time, will be left with a sour taste in their mouths when they look at their account age, and see that for awhile they counted for nothing to EQ2. The world didn't stop when we weren't able to be apart of it, but somehow our existence did. That hurts, when I came back I immediately spent over $200 on subs, expansions, station store, only then did I notice that my account age in-game =/= the date I joined this world of Norrath. Such a blow to those that have put years into this game. Please consider this, it wont HURT anybody, it can only HELP: the fans, the early adopters, it will give yet another reason for vets to return which can only help the player base and EQ2's pocketbooks. I've never thought of SOE as a "money-grabbing" company UNLIKE some of the OTHER competitors, and all these recent developments SUPPORT that vision. But I think you could take it 1/2 step further and do right by your early supporters. We are talking about some in-game items that don't give anyone a competitive advantage, they are just fun "thank you for supporting us" things. Only one reward a year, its not like there is a reward every month, that I could understand, heck I could even understand the OLD system of paying every month for vet time NOW that EQ2 is F2P, it makes much MORE sense than having that model when Everquest 2 was only playable if you actually had a subscription in the first place. PLEASE SOE, Help us out, like we early adopters helped you out 7+ years ago. Thank you, Tracker Dunn -Joined 12/12/2004 Vet time: 5 yrs 8 months 12 days...

12-09-2011, 05:53 PM	#27
Zorastiz Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Dressed To Kill Rank: Prince of Darkness Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 955	Atsushi wrote: Is this retroactive? For example my account dates back to 2000 from eq1 and around launch day for eq2, yet I only have 5 year vet rewards. I petitioned and they said it was correct yesterday. I sort of hoped that for an 11 year old account I might have more than 5y vet bonuses. I am in the same boat, EQ1 then EQ2 yet only 5 years total. __________________

12-09-2011, 05:57 PM	#28
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	darwich wrote: so why am i paying a subsciption now?? Recurring subscription gets 500SC/mo Subscription/Gold does get more bag slots, bank slots, ability to carry more plat, no unlocks required for anything on any character new or old, send mail as well as receive, unlimted broker access, unrestricted chat channels, etc. I hope, though, when (if) the Vet rewards change to a token system that subscribers get more tokens than Silver/Free per month. __________________

12-09-2011, 05:58 PM	#29
Gravy Lord Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 382	Hozuki@Befallen wrote: PLEASE SOE: PLEASE SMOKEJUMPER: PLEASE ISULITH: This is GREAT news, you have taken LEAPS AND BOUNDS in the area of customer service and giving back to your FANS and SUPPORTERS!!! The good decisions and news just keep coming.. but in light of this recent development: PLEASE make this retro-active for us loyal ex-EQ2Live subscribers. It sucks so bad that because I was unable to play EQ2 for awhile (due to not having a computer) that I am somehow less of a vet than before. Its akin to saying that since I didn't pay for that month, I didn't exist to you. I was already "paying" for that decision by missing out on: the whole game since eq2 was F2P then, missing out on LIVE events that I will never get to experience again, and everything else that came with subscribing. But to make it so even though I pre-ordered the original EQ2 and have paid much over $1000 dollars in that time, I essentially didn't matter/exist for those months where I couldn't PAY could PLAY. Please do right by us, the veterans, those that have supported EQ2 from the beginning, thats what a vet is, it should be a reward for early adopters, not just those who never had the misfortune in 7 YEARS to be UNABLE to play. That's almost callous feeling to me.. The only reason I can see that this wasn't the case the entire time was to push the "passport" $5 3/day sub. which I was UNAWARE of during the time I was away, so I'm basically having those months of my account age taken away, never to be returned, talk about adding insult to injury. Now that there is no more "passport sub" this seems like the best way to extend an olive branch to those who WERE supporters of EQ2LIVE as opposed to the new F2P only model. Making veteran reward time "free AGAIN" was the right thing to do, but now all returning vets, and those who returned before, but missed some time, will be left with a sour taste in their mouths when they look at their account age, and see that for awhile they counted for nothing to EQ2. The world didn't stop when we weren't able to be apart of it, but somehow our existence did. That hurts, when I came back I immediately spent over $200 on subs, expansions, station store, only then did I notice that my account age in-game =/= the date I joined this world of Norrath. Such a blow to those that have put years into this game. Please consider this, it wont HURT anybody, it can only HELP: the fans, the early adopters, it will give yet another reason for vets to return which can only help the player base and EQ2's pocketbooks. I've never thought of SOE as a "money-grabbing" company UNLIKE some of the OTHER competitors, and all these recent developments SUPPORT that vision. But I think you could take it 1/2 step further and do right by your early supporters. We are talking about some in-game items that don't give anyone a competitive advantage, they are just fun "thank you for supporting us" things. Only one reward a year, its not like there is a reward every month, that I could understand, heck I could even understand the OLD system of paying every month for vet time NOW that EQ2 is F2P, it makes much MORE sense than having that model when Everquest 2 was only playable if you actually had a subscription in the first place. PLEASE SOE, Help us out, like we early adopters helped you out 7+ years ago. Thank you, Tracker Dunn -Joined 12/12/2004 Vet time: 5 yrs 8 months 12 days... I have no idea what you want. Try again, but ask in one simple sentence.

12-09-2011, 06:05 PM	#30
Hozuki Server: Befallen Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 14	Gravy wrote: Hozuki@Befallen wrote: PLEASE SOE: PLEASE SMOKEJUMPER: PLEASE ISULITH: This is GREAT news, you have taken LEAPS AND BOUNDS in the area of customer service and giving back to your FANS and SUPPORTERS!!! The good decisions and news just keep coming.. but in light of this recent development: PLEASE make this retro-active for us loyal ex-EQ2Live subscribers. It sucks so bad that because I was unable to play EQ2 for awhile (due to not having a computer) that I am somehow less of a vet than before. Its akin to saying that since I didn't pay for that month, I didn't exist to you. I was already "paying" for that decision by missing out on: the whole game since eq2 was F2P then, missing out on LIVE events that I will never get to experience again, and everything else that came with subscribing. But to make it so even though I pre-ordered the original EQ2 and have paid much over $1000 dollars in that time, I essentially didn't matter/exist for those months where I couldn't PAY could PLAY. Please do right by us, the veterans, those that have supported EQ2 from the beginning, thats what a vet is, it should be a reward for early adopters, not just those who never had the misfortune in 7 YEARS to be UNABLE to play. That's almost callous feeling to me.. The only reason I can see that this wasn't the case the entire time was to push the "passport" $5 3/day sub. which I was UNAWARE of during the time I was away, so I'm basically having those months of my account age taken away, never to be returned, talk about adding insult to injury. Now that there is no more "passport sub" this seems like the best way to extend an olive branch to those who WERE supporters of EQ2LIVE as opposed to the new F2P only model. Making veteran reward time "free AGAIN" was the right thing to do, but now all returning vets, and those who returned before, but missed some time, will be left with a sour taste in their mouths when they look at their account age, and see that for awhile they counted for nothing to EQ2. The world didn't stop when we weren't able to be apart of it, but somehow our existence did. That hurts, when I came back I immediately spent over $200 on subs, expansions, station store, only then did I notice that my account age in-game =/= the date I joined this world of Norrath. Such a blow to those that have put years into this game. Please consider this, it wont HURT anybody, it can only HELP: the fans, the early adopters, it will give yet another reason for vets to return which can only help the player base and EQ2's pocketbooks. I've never thought of SOE as a "money-grabbing" company UNLIKE some of the OTHER competitors, and all these recent developments SUPPORT that vision. But I think you could take it 1/2 step further and do right by your early supporters. We are talking about some in-game items that don't give anyone a competitive advantage, they are just fun "thank you for supporting us" things. Only one reward a year, its not like there is a reward every month, that I could understand, heck I could even understand the OLD system of paying every month for vet time NOW that EQ2 is F2P, it makes much MORE sense than having that model when Everquest 2 was only playable if you actually had a subscription in the first place. PLEASE SOE, Help us out, like we early adopters helped you out 7+ years ago. Thank you, Tracker Dunn -Joined 12/12/2004 Vet time: 5 yrs 8 months 12 days... I have no idea what you want. Try again, but ask in one simple sentence. Make Vet Reward Time based off: Account creation date. Why do it any other way? if its only rewarding you for months you paid for, not how long you've been a vet, then that just doesn't make sense. It doesn't show much thanks.