Will we have new AA's or an Old AA revamp?

Talathion · 11-10-2011, 10:22 PM

50 New AA's is worthless with nothing to spend them on, I pretty much have everything useful I can possibly have.

Nolrog · 11-10-2011, 10:24 PM

Doesn't seem to be any new AAs or a revamp. Just seems tha tyou can spend more on what already exists.

Talathion · 11-10-2011, 10:25 PM

Nolrog wrote:

Doesn't seem to be any new AAs or a revamp. Just seems tha tyou can spend more on what already exists.

so yeah, is there gonna be an AA revamp because 1 more aa won't make a difference.

Nadev · 11-10-2011, 10:26 PM

Maybe not for you, but for those that fight and craft an extra amount will be very useful.

Talathion · 11-10-2011, 10:27 PM

Nadev wrote:

Maybe not for you, but for those that fight and craft an extra amount will be very useful.

crafters only need 25 AA.

Nadev · 11-10-2011, 10:29 PM

Yep so they can have a full combat spec with their crafting spec. Or maybe healers will not have to respec so much in order to either heal or do dps.

As a follow beserker I know it's rare for me to change spec's at all, but some classes the extra points will be useful.

Talathion · 11-10-2011, 10:33 PM

Nadev wrote:

Yep so they can have a full combat spec with their crafting spec. Or maybe healers will not have to respec so much in order to either heal or do dps.
As a follow beserker I know it's rare for me to change spec's at all, but some classes the extra points will be useful.

I'm already full combat spec, I just want more useful AA's.

Elskidor · 11-10-2011, 11:21 PM

Don't worry you already stated your quiting when your sub runs out in Decemeber...or was that this month?

Talathion · 11-11-2011, 12:21 AM

Elzeenor@Splitpaw wrote:

Don't worry you already stated your quiting when your sub runs out in Decemeber...or was that this month?

Arn't you a negative nancy?

Masako · 11-11-2011, 01:35 AM

I keep hearing there won't be any more "room" to spend points in with the trees as well? For example, my Summoner and Necromancer trees will still only have 100 points to spend in each total? Please someone tell me wrong cause that's a bit absurd.

I could see the extra AAs on my crafting alts to be beneficial but for instance on my main that doesn't craft? Uhh. Where am I going to put those points exactly?

Talathion · 11-11-2011, 01:37 AM

I dunno.. I really wish they revamped the subclass trees to be a bit more accessable, and ALL of them good instead of 1 or 2.

All my Warrior Endlines are trash except int.

Masako · 11-11-2011, 01:53 AM

Agreed.

On some of my toons I do have things I'd spend more points in if I'm wrong about the cap in points, others I've really spent pretty much all the useful points already. I suppose that'd take less work to "maximize" each of my toons, but it's silly that some classes would get a huge benefit while others would stay about the same.

I'm going to dig for more info if it's out there, but still would like some clarification.

Frenzywolf · 11-11-2011, 01:56 AM

I have for a long time wanted to play a shaman.. have tried it and deleted it because they are oh so difficult to solo with and I love to have some solo time especially at the lower levels and don't like to feel I have to find someone to group with to do solo type quests! I would like to see the shaman classes have more damage spells than they do now.. if that ever happens then I will roll another shaman!

Banditman · 11-11-2011, 03:18 AM

Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I have for a long time wanted to play a shaman.. have tried it and deleted it because they are oh so difficult to solo with and I love to have some solo time especially at the lower levels and don't like to feel I have to find someone to group with to do solo type quests! I would like to see the shaman classes have more damage spells than they do now.. if that ever happens then I will roll another shaman!

If you can't solo as a Mystic you are doing something horribly wrong.

Te'ana · 11-11-2011, 03:33 AM

You must not play a Mystic LOl.

Frenzywolf · 11-11-2011, 03:41 AM

Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:

You must not play a Mystic LOl.

No acutally I did try the defiler and found it nearly impossible to do solo lol... just thought the mystic was the same only on the good rather than evil level.

Brigh · 11-11-2011, 03:44 AM

Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I have for a long time wanted to play a shaman.. have tried it and deleted it because they are oh so difficult to solo with and I love to have some solo time especially at the lower levels and don't like to feel I have to find someone to group with to do solo type quests! I would like to see the shaman classes have more damage spells than they do now.. if that ever happens then I will roll another shaman!

I solo just fine with my level locked 39 mystic.

You spec for Chieftain and use a big honkin' two-hander (I use the one from BG). Harder mobs you can switch out a good 1hdr and buckler (AA improved) for block but sometimes you still need the 2hdr dps.

Slowing and debuffing heroic mobs is not difficult.

Talathion · 11-11-2011, 02:20 PM

We really really need an AA revamp...

Some classes will greatly benefit from this while others will not.

urgthock · 11-11-2011, 03:39 PM

Masako@Crushbone wrote:

I keep hearing there won't be any more "room" to spend points in with the trees as well? For example, my Summoner and Necromancer trees will still only have 100 points to spend in each total? Please someone tell me wrong cause that's a bit absurd.
I could see the extra AAs on my crafting alts to be beneficial but for instance on my main that doesn't craft? Uhh. Where am I going to put those points exactly?

From what I have heard (I don't start rumors... I just talk about them once they are out) the Shadows tree cap will go up to 75 (from 70). All other tree caps will be the same with a total AA cap of 350.

So: 350 AA Cap

Tradeskill - 25Subclass - 100Class - 100Shadows - 75Heroic - 50

Trynt · 11-11-2011, 04:01 PM

urgthock wrote:

Masako@Crushbone wrote:
I keep hearing there won't be any more "room" to spend points in with the trees as well? For example, my Summoner and Necromancer trees will still only have 100 points to spend in each total? Please someone tell me wrong cause that's a bit absurd.
I could see the extra AAs on my crafting alts to be beneficial but for instance on my main that doesn't craft? Uhh. Where am I going to put those points exactly?
From what I have heard (I don't start rumors... I just talk about them once they are out) the Shadows tree cap will go up to 75 (from 70). All other tree caps will be the same with a total AA cap of 350.
So: 350 AA Cap
Tradeskill - 25Subclass - 100Class - 100Shadows - 75Heroic - 50

Good. That effectively eliminates any reason for me to buy AoD. Saves me the internal conflict.

Eugam · 11-11-2011, 04:04 PM

Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:
You must not play a Mystic LOl.
No acutally I did try the defiler and found it nearly impossible to do solo lol... just thought the mystic was the same only on the good rather than evil level.

Defiler soloes extremely well. He is slow killing mobs, but he is a moving fortress and gets tougher each AA point. Its a good strat to really rush to 32 or 35 for the encounter AE and then go back and solo anything available in game. Try again, its a lot of fun. My lowbe defiler is 35 with 75ish AA and unstopable. Thats since i lock him a lot and expert research takes only 12 hours or so at that level.

Talathion · 11-11-2011, 04:04 PM

- REVAMP AAs to make them ALL useful. (especially subclass AA.s)

- Uncap AAs so you can spent atleast 125 in Subclass/Class AAs.

- Revamp some classes Shadow/Subclass Trees, they need to be more in line with current tiers, especially now that you can only get Shadow AAs in higher levels.

Finora · 11-11-2011, 04:08 PM

Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I have for a long time wanted to play a shaman.. have tried it and deleted it because they are oh so difficult to solo with and I love to have some solo time especially at the lower levels and don't like to feel I have to find someone to group with to do solo type quests! I would like to see the shaman classes have more damage spells than they do now.. if that ever happens then I will roll another shaman!

Soloing with either mystic or defiler isn't hard at all. It's sometimes slow on the defiler, but it's not what I'd call hard and I certainly never was in much danger of dying. Now long ago pre-aa my first mystic was a bit of a chore to solo with (mostly for being even slower than todays defiler at soloing) but even back then I could bore a blue ^^^ mob to death given enough time.

With the coming of aa's soloing has gotten much faster on mystics in particular and it's better than it was on defilers as well.

Elskidor · 11-11-2011, 04:10 PM

urgthock wrote:

Masako@Crushbone wrote:
I keep hearing there won't be any more "room" to spend points in with the trees as well? For example, my Summoner and Necromancer trees will still only have 100 points to spend in each total? Please someone tell me wrong cause that's a bit absurd.
I could see the extra AAs on my crafting alts to be beneficial but for instance on my main that doesn't craft? Uhh. Where am I going to put those points exactly?
From what I have heard (I don't start rumors... I just talk about them once they are out) the Shadows tree cap will go up to 75 (from 70). All other tree caps will be the same with a total AA cap of 350.
So: 350 AA Cap
Tradeskill - 25Subclass - 100Class - 100Shadows - 75Heroic - 50

That would be awesome news, because then nobody would have an excuse to have to buy this pile of rubbish.

Golbezz · 11-11-2011, 04:12 PM

Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I have for a long time wanted to play a shaman.. have tried it and deleted it because they are oh so difficult to solo with and I love to have some solo time especially at the lower levels and don't like to feel I have to find someone to group with to do solo type quests! I would like to see the shaman classes have more damage spells than they do now.. if that ever happens then I will roll another shaman!

I have leveled a few healer alts solo and while I found inquisitor to be the fastest so far I think defiler was actually very easy to level. Pop wards, pull a bunch, tab target and dot all. You will want a maintained window that gives your timers on dots and damage remaining on wards. It's not really fast and it is a bit of work but considering what you can solo at the high end it's certainly worth it. I know some go mystic to level, then betray if they wanted to be a defiler.

To start just don't build them like a healer to level, go for the damage spell AA's and put points into the wards so you don't die while soloing.

Talathion · 11-11-2011, 04:16 PM

AA's need revamped :/

Gilli · 11-11-2011, 04:19 PM

Oooh, an AA thread turned rant hijacked by how-to-solo-a-shaman. How can I resist?

I'd enjoy being able to spend more points in the archtype tree (cleric, enchanter, what-have-you). Nearly all of that stuff is useful for everyone and since we have enough AA to pretty much be the same as everyone else why don't we just go the distance? I'd like to try out one more line in that tree (gimme 25 moar cap please) without a respec.

Glenolas · 11-11-2011, 05:31 PM

urgthock wrote:

Masako@Crushbone wrote:
I keep hearing there won't be any more "room" to spend points in with the trees as well? For example, my Summoner and Necromancer trees will still only have 100 points to spend in each total? Please someone tell me wrong cause that's a bit absurd.
I could see the extra AAs on my crafting alts to be beneficial but for instance on my main that doesn't craft? Uhh. Where am I going to put those points exactly?
From what I have heard (I don't start rumors... I just talk about them once they are out) the Shadows tree cap will go up to 75 (from 70). All other tree caps will be the same with a total AA cap of 350.
So: 350 AA Cap
Tradeskill - 25Subclass - 100Class - 100Shadows - 75Heroic - 50

Hmm. I'm capped in Subclass, Class, and Heroic. At best I'd add 5 to Shadows, to 55.

Even if I added the full 25, where do the rest go? Are you saying the Adventure cap is now 325, up from 300?

Talathion · 11-12-2011, 05:33 AM

OK! we need an AA revamp SMILEY

ranga · 11-12-2011, 10:43 AM

Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:

OK! we need an AA revamp

+1 for trying to keep this on topic.

This thread doesn't need any more "Defilers are/are not easy to play" derailment lol

11-10-2011, 10:25 PM	#3
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Nolrog wrote: Doesn't seem to be any new AAs or a revamp. Just seems tha tyou can spend more on what already exists. so yeah, is there gonna be an AA revamp because 1 more aa won't make a difference.

11-10-2011, 10:26 PM	#4
Nadev Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	Maybe not for you, but for those that fight and craft an extra amount will be very useful. __________________

11-10-2011, 10:27 PM	#5
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Nadev wrote: Maybe not for you, but for those that fight and craft an extra amount will be very useful. crafters only need 25 AA.

11-10-2011, 10:29 PM	#6
Nadev Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	Yep so they can have a full combat spec with their crafting spec. Or maybe healers will not have to respec so much in order to either heal or do dps. As a follow beserker I know it's rare for me to change spec's at all, but some classes the extra points will be useful. __________________

11-10-2011, 10:33 PM	#7
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Nadev wrote: Yep so they can have a full combat spec with their crafting spec. Or maybe healers will not have to respec so much in order to either heal or do dps. As a follow beserker I know it's rare for me to change spec's at all, but some classes the extra points will be useful. I'm already full combat spec, I just want more useful AA's.

11-10-2011, 10:22 PM	#1
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	50 New AA's is worthless with nothing to spend them on, I pretty much have everything useful I can possibly have.

11-10-2011, 10:24 PM	#2
Nolrog Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 487	Doesn't seem to be any new AAs or a revamp. Just seems tha tyou can spend more on what already exists.

11-10-2011, 11:21 PM	#8
Elskidor Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 509	Don't worry you already stated your quiting when your sub runs out in Decemeber...or was that this month?

11-11-2011, 12:21 AM	#9
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	Elzeenor@Splitpaw wrote: Don't worry you already stated your quiting when your sub runs out in Decemeber...or was that this month? Arn't you a negative nancy?

11-11-2011, 01:37 AM	#11
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	I dunno.. I really wish they revamped the subclass trees to be a bit more accessable, and ALL of them good instead of 1 or 2. All my Warrior Endlines are trash except int.

11-11-2011, 01:56 AM	#13
Frenzywolf Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cryptic Knights Rank: Executive Commitee Lord Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 327	I have for a long time wanted to play a shaman.. have tried it and deleted it because they are oh so difficult to solo with and I love to have some solo time especially at the lower levels and don't like to feel I have to find someone to group with to do solo type quests! I would like to see the shaman classes have more damage spells than they do now.. if that ever happens then I will roll another shaman! __________________

11-11-2011, 03:18 AM	#14
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote: I have for a long time wanted to play a shaman.. have tried it and deleted it because they are oh so difficult to solo with and I love to have some solo time especially at the lower levels and don't like to feel I have to find someone to group with to do solo type quests! I would like to see the shaman classes have more damage spells than they do now.. if that ever happens then I will roll another shaman! If you can't solo as a Mystic you are doing something horribly wrong. __________________

11-11-2011, 03:33 AM	#15
Te'ana Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	You must not play a Mystic LOl.

11-11-2011, 03:41 AM	#16
Frenzywolf Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cryptic Knights Rank: Executive Commitee Lord Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 327	Lateana@The Bazaar wrote: You must not play a Mystic LOl. No acutally I did try the defiler and found it nearly impossible to do solo lol... just thought the mystic was the same only on the good rather than evil level. __________________

11-11-2011, 03:44 AM	#17
Brigh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,159	Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote: I have for a long time wanted to play a shaman.. have tried it and deleted it because they are oh so difficult to solo with and I love to have some solo time especially at the lower levels and don't like to feel I have to find someone to group with to do solo type quests! I would like to see the shaman classes have more damage spells than they do now.. if that ever happens then I will roll another shaman! I solo just fine with my level locked 39 mystic. You spec for Chieftain and use a big honkin' two-hander (I use the one from BG). Harder mobs you can switch out a good 1hdr and buckler (AA improved) for block but sometimes you still need the 2hdr dps. Slowing and debuffing heroic mobs is not difficult. __________________ Anything you can achieve through hard work, you can also just buy. -Stephen Colbert CoD3 double XP Rank Up promotion lesson for kids

11-11-2011, 02:20 PM	#18
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	We really really need an AA revamp... Some classes will greatly benefit from this while others will not.

11-11-2011, 03:39 PM	#19
urgthock Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Houston, TX. Posts: 1,308	Masako@Crushbone wrote: I keep hearing there won't be any more "room" to spend points in with the trees as well? For example, my Summoner and Necromancer trees will still only have 100 points to spend in each total? Please someone tell me wrong cause that's a bit absurd. I could see the extra AAs on my crafting alts to be beneficial but for instance on my main that doesn't craft? Uhh. Where am I going to put those points exactly? From what I have heard (I don't start rumors... I just talk about them once they are out) the Shadows tree cap will go up to 75 (from 70). All other tree caps will be the same with a total AA cap of 350. So: 350 AA Cap Tradeskill - 25Subclass - 100Class - 100Shadows - 75Heroic - 50

11-11-2011, 04:01 PM	#20
Trynt Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 284	urgthock wrote: Masako@Crushbone wrote: I keep hearing there won't be any more "room" to spend points in with the trees as well? For example, my Summoner and Necromancer trees will still only have 100 points to spend in each total? Please someone tell me wrong cause that's a bit absurd. I could see the extra AAs on my crafting alts to be beneficial but for instance on my main that doesn't craft? Uhh. Where am I going to put those points exactly? From what I have heard (I don't start rumors... I just talk about them once they are out) the Shadows tree cap will go up to 75 (from 70). All other tree caps will be the same with a total AA cap of 350. So: 350 AA Cap Tradeskill - 25Subclass - 100Class - 100Shadows - 75Heroic - 50 Good. That effectively eliminates any reason for me to buy AoD. Saves me the internal conflict.

11-11-2011, 04:04 PM	#21
Eugam Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,403	Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote: Lateana@The Bazaar wrote: You must not play a Mystic LOl. No acutally I did try the defiler and found it nearly impossible to do solo lol... just thought the mystic was the same only on the good rather than evil level. Defiler soloes extremely well. He is slow killing mobs, but he is a moving fortress and gets tougher each AA point. Its a good strat to really rush to 32 or 35 for the encounter AE and then go back and solo anything available in game. Try again, its a lot of fun. My lowbe defiler is 35 with 75ish AA and unstopable. Thats since i lock him a lot and expert research takes only 12 hours or so at that level.

11-11-2011, 04:08 PM	#23
Finora Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,423	Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote: I have for a long time wanted to play a shaman.. have tried it and deleted it because they are oh so difficult to solo with and I love to have some solo time especially at the lower levels and don't like to feel I have to find someone to group with to do solo type quests! I would like to see the shaman classes have more damage spells than they do now.. if that ever happens then I will roll another shaman! Soloing with either mystic or defiler isn't hard at all. It's sometimes slow on the defiler, but it's not what I'd call hard and I certainly never was in much danger of dying. Now long ago pre-aa my first mystic was a bit of a chore to solo with (mostly for being even slower than todays defiler at soloing) but even back then I could bore a blue ^^^ mob to death given enough time. With the coming of aa's soloing has gotten much faster on mystics in particular and it's better than it was on defilers as well. __________________ Lady Finora Mystic of Prism Everfrost(Grobb) Finora of Valiant Knights Test Server

11-11-2011, 04:10 PM	#24
Elskidor Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 509	urgthock wrote: Masako@Crushbone wrote: I keep hearing there won't be any more "room" to spend points in with the trees as well? For example, my Summoner and Necromancer trees will still only have 100 points to spend in each total? Please someone tell me wrong cause that's a bit absurd. I could see the extra AAs on my crafting alts to be beneficial but for instance on my main that doesn't craft? Uhh. Where am I going to put those points exactly? From what I have heard (I don't start rumors... I just talk about them once they are out) the Shadows tree cap will go up to 75 (from 70). All other tree caps will be the same with a total AA cap of 350. So: 350 AA Cap Tradeskill - 25Subclass - 100Class - 100Shadows - 75Heroic - 50 That would be awesome news, because then nobody would have an excuse to have to buy this pile of rubbish.

11-11-2011, 04:12 PM	#25
Golbezz Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 601	Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote: I have for a long time wanted to play a shaman.. have tried it and deleted it because they are oh so difficult to solo with and I love to have some solo time especially at the lower levels and don't like to feel I have to find someone to group with to do solo type quests! I would like to see the shaman classes have more damage spells than they do now.. if that ever happens then I will roll another shaman! I have leveled a few healer alts solo and while I found inquisitor to be the fastest so far I think defiler was actually very easy to level. Pop wards, pull a bunch, tab target and dot all. You will want a maintained window that gives your timers on dots and damage remaining on wards. It's not really fast and it is a bit of work but considering what you can solo at the high end it's certainly worth it. I know some go mystic to level, then betray if they wanted to be a defiler. To start just don't build them like a healer to level, go for the damage spell AA's and put points into the wards so you don't die while soloing.

11-11-2011, 04:16 PM	#26
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	AA's need revamped :/

11-11-2011, 04:19 PM	#27
Gilli Server: Blackburrow Guild: Mithril Web Rank: Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Northern Kentucky Posts: 335	Oooh, an AA thread turned rant hijacked by how-to-solo-a-shaman. How can I resist? I'd enjoy being able to spend more points in the archtype tree (cleric, enchanter, what-have-you). Nearly all of that stuff is useful for everyone and since we have enough AA to pretty much be the same as everyone else why don't we just go the distance? I'd like to try out one more line in that tree (gimme 25 moar cap please) without a respec.

11-11-2011, 05:31 PM	#28
Glenolas Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 787	urgthock wrote: Masako@Crushbone wrote: I keep hearing there won't be any more "room" to spend points in with the trees as well? For example, my Summoner and Necromancer trees will still only have 100 points to spend in each total? Please someone tell me wrong cause that's a bit absurd. I could see the extra AAs on my crafting alts to be beneficial but for instance on my main that doesn't craft? Uhh. Where am I going to put those points exactly? From what I have heard (I don't start rumors... I just talk about them once they are out) the Shadows tree cap will go up to 75 (from 70). All other tree caps will be the same with a total AA cap of 350. So: 350 AA Cap Tradeskill - 25Subclass - 100Class - 100Shadows - 75Heroic - 50 Hmm. I'm capped in Subclass, Class, and Heroic. At best I'd add 5 to Shadows, to 55. Even if I added the full 25, where do the rest go? Are you saying the Adventure cap is now 325, up from 300?

11-12-2011, 05:33 AM	#29
Talathion Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Cladire Mortii Rank: Initiate/Slave Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,780	OK! we need an AA revamp

11-12-2011, 10:43 AM	#30
ranga Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 393	Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote: OK! we need an AA revamp +1 for trying to keep this on topic. This thread doesn't need any more "Defilers are/are not easy to play" derailment lol __________________ The official comment from ProSiebenSat.1 on segregation - We do not think about a transfer of US server chars from EU costumers in Eq2. That should solve the biggest worries the EQ2 community has at the moment. We do not want to interfere with long build ingame relationships. This is the current way we think about it.