Lower Tier itemization is broken!!

guillero · 02-26-2011, 05:02 PM

Mods! Can you please stop moving critical topics like these to a forum section that gets no dev attention please! Thank you.

This is a serious issue and we demand an answer from SOE on this!

Since Velious release and the further stat dumbification, the lower tier itemization is now effectivily BROKEN!

Lower level characters have lost significant amounts of health and power!

On my level 45 warden alone my avoidance is pretty much gone! Went from 40+ % down to 17% !

Gear and items are now completely outdated with useless stats that have no effect anymore. Which adds to the significant nerfing effect of lower level characters!

This whole expansion has turned out into one big EPIC FAIL for players with lower level characters, which are left with nerfed and gimped characters!

The most furious part in this, is that this has been brought up during Beta on more than one occasion and ofcourse just ignored!

If pre-Velious content is not important anymore to SOE! Are you going to offer us the option to create insta level 85 characters then?

As you just pretty much sucked the life and fun out of lower Tiers content now.

It was already a solo chore to the top. And now you expect us to do with severely gimped and nerfed characters? Doing quests that give outdated and useless rewards? !

So tell me SOE? Is it over done with this game? Is it only for the players with maxed out toons now? As right now it pretty much looks like it!

Nuhus · 02-26-2011, 05:04 PM

They really can't be bothered with the game content LOL, just SC.

guillero · 02-26-2011, 05:23 PM

Nuhus wrote:

They really can't be bothered with the game content LOL, just SC.

I couldn't care less about SC. Nor has it anything to do with it.

With the expac release they dumbed down the stats to 2 stats only per class archtype.

All the lower tier armor and items were (and still are) based on the old system and the stat bonusses are spread over multiple stats.

Now with the stat dumbification and all the lower tier armor and items left untouched by the devs, is now causing serious issues in the lower tiers, with characters losing big chunks of health and power, avoidance, resists, etc. All due to the loss of said stats and gear and items not being updated!

A lot of classes were already not too easy to solo with! Can you imagine how it is now after the expac?

It's not like there is an overabundance of players in the lower tiers and groups are easy to come by.

Solo'ing is already not the most fun... now having to do it with severely nerfed and gimped characters is just killing the fun out of this whole game altogether!

Especially doing all these quests that now give outdated and useless rewards too!

Hell, even the more recent added armor quest lines to KoS a couple GU's ago haven't even been updated!

Tallithia · 02-26-2011, 05:51 PM

Jerokane@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Mods! Can you please stop moving critical topics like these to a forum section that gets no dev attention please! Thank you.

As I recently read, the MODs move threads to appropriate section so the devs DO see them. Being someone who in my working life had to filter through email and an intranet I can tell you it's a good thing they do. The devs don't have time to filter thru posts to find what they need.Devs and techs hit certain threads that pertain to what they do specifically. So if you want this seen by someone who can actully answer you, or do something about it I suggest posting where it will get the right attention.

guillero · 02-26-2011, 06:15 PM

Tallithia wrote:

Jerokane@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Mods! Can you please stop moving critical topics like these to a forum section that gets no dev attention please! Thank you.

As I recently read, the MODs move threads to appropriate section so the devs DO see them. Being someone who in my working life had to filter through email and an intranet I can tell you it's a good thing they do. The devs don't have time to filter thru posts to find what they need.Devs and techs hit certain threads that pertain to what they do specifically. So if you want this seen by someone who can actully answer you, or do something about it I suggest posting where it will get the right attention.

That's why all the threads in the Item section are being ignored. Right.

arvydys · 02-26-2011, 06:42 PM

Threads like yours are being ignored because you are using hyperbole and also making accusations about what SoE may or may not be doing. Neither me nor anyone in my guild are having any major issues with our mid level toons. Is it a little tougher? Sure, but soloing is such an easy task anyway. You make it seem like no one can do anything because everything is so broken when its just not true.

Illmarr · 02-26-2011, 07:00 PM

Level 30 Mystic wearing level 20 AQ armor set and dropped jewelery. Killed yellow con Orcs in Zek without having to use a Ward.

Level 23 Brigand in TD quest armor and APP abilities over level 20. Health total was about halved, only 1,200 HP. Killed even con goblins in Butcherblock without leaving green.

Level 40 Troubador wearing Feysteel MC with STR/STA/AGI. lived through aggro of three groups of level 39 mobs in Feerrott.

Stop saying the game is broken or unplayable. You can't pull an entire room in RUnnyeye or DFC now maybe, but you can play the game perfectly well. It's not the end of the world as we know it. I'd say your threads are ignored due to hyperbole and venom of a frustrated, envious of others player. Sadly there are many like you so you'll eventually get your way if you kick and scream enough

guillero · 02-26-2011, 07:14 PM

Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:

Level 30 Mystic wearing level 20 AQ armor set and dropped jewelery. Killed yellow con Orcs in Zek without having to use a Ward.
Level 23 Brigand in TD quest armor and APP abilities over level 20. Health total was about halved, only 1,200 HP. Killed even con goblins in Butcherblock without leaving green.
Level 40 Troubador wearing Feysteel MC with STR/STA/AGI. lived through aggro of three groups of level 39 mobs in Feerrott.
Stop saying the game is broken or unplayable. You can't pull an entire room in RUnnyeye or DFC now maybe, but you can play the game perfectly well. It's not the end of the world as we know it. I'd say your threads are ignored due to hyperbole and venom of a frustrated, envious of others player. Sadly there are many like you so you'll eventually get your way if you kick and scream enough

No, it's people like you that make the devs get away with crap like this! With your Powerlevel attitudes.

I could care less about max level and Raiding! Nor is my gf... nor are any of my friends! Nor do we have a level 90 toon with thousands of plat, to keep our lower level toons fully twinked!

We enjoy the journey, not the cap! Always have.

Last year with the first stage of dumbification of stats, they only bothered updating MC gear.

But it wasn't too bad, as the other stats were still very usefull (depending class). And so a lot of the quest rewards were still nice.

But now, with the final nail in dumbification they didn't even bother to update any of the lower tiers of gear and items. At all!

Sertain classes are easier to solo with than other classes.

The harder to play solo classes, like for example the Ranger. Those are severely affected. A friend of mine just stopped playing his low level ranger, as it has just turned into a chore to play it now.

With my Warden it is still managable, but before Velious I was at least able to deal with heroics and complete some interesting quests on my own.

Now I cannot anymore, as I have lost all avoidance on my char, half of my power and a good chunk of health! And due to heroics almost all having interupts and silence, I am no longer able to outheal them. Plus I am running almost twice as fast out of Power now.

So yes. My solo play and fun in the game, which I still had before Velious, are now seriously affected. Just like a friend of mine just stopped playing his Ranger altogether, as it was no longer fun to play for him. He lost over 50% health on his low level char.

WE DID NOT ASK FOR THIS DUMBIFICATION!

But I can somehow understand why they did it. What I do NOT accept, is that they screw over the casual players (like me, my gf and friends) who do not play this game 24/7 and don't belong to the Hardcore min/maxing Elite.

It's downright INSULTING they didn't even tried fixing the lower level itemization! They had over a year to do it and come up with a solution for it!

During Closed Beta countless people have reported that lower tiers itemization is broken and is going to cause issues! All was ignored!

They just launched the Expac and leave the lower tiers as is! And then just accept us to continue to pay for this?

Sorry... but the time of smooth talking is over! They had more than enough time to fix this and did not!

It's all too clear now they do not care about us anymore. Only the max level players and Raiders.

Illmarr · 02-26-2011, 09:43 PM

Jerokane@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:
Level 30 Mystic wearing level 20 AQ armor set and dropped jewelery. Killed yellow con Orcs in Zek without having to use a Ward.
Level 23 Brigand in TD quest armor and APP abilities over level 20. Health total was about halved, only 1,200 HP. Killed even con goblins in Butcherblock without leaving green.
Level 40 Troubador wearing Feysteel MC with STR/STA/AGI. lived through aggro of three groups of level 39 mobs in Feerrott.
Stop saying the game is broken or unplayable. You can't pull an entire room in RUnnyeye or DFC now maybe, but you can play the game perfectly well. It's not the end of the world as we know it. I'd say your threads are ignored due to hyperbole and venom of a frustrated, envious of others player. Sadly there are many like you so you'll eventually get your way if you kick and scream enough
No, it's people like you that make the devs get away with crap like this! With your Powerlevel attitudes.
I could care less about max level and Raiding! Nor is my gf... nor are any of my friends! Nor do we have a level 90 toon with thousands of plat, to keep our lower level toons fully twinked!
We enjoy the journey, not the cap! Always have.
Last year with the first stage of dumbification of stats, they only bothered updating MC gear.
But it wasn't too bad, as the other stats were still very usefull (depending class). And so a lot of the quest rewards were still nice.
But now, with the final nail in dumbification they didn't even bother to update any of the lower tiers of gear and items. At all!
Sertain classes are easier to solo with than other classes.
The harder to play solo classes, like for example the Ranger. Those are severely affected. A friend of mine just stopped playing his low level ranger, as it has just turned into a chore to play it now.
With my Warden it is still managable, but before Velious I was at least able to deal with heroics and complete some interesting quests on my own.
Now I cannot anymore, as I have lost all avoidance on my char, half of my power and a good chunk of health! And due to heroics almost all having interupts and silence, I am no longer able to outheal them. Plus I am running almost twice as fast out of Power now.
So yes. My solo play and fun in the game, which I still had before Velious, are now seriously affected. Just like a friend of mine just stopped playing his Ranger altogether, as it was no longer fun to play for him. He lost over 50% health on his low level char.
WE DID NOT ASK FOR THIS DUMBIFICATION!
But I can somehow understand why they did it. What I do NOT accept, is that they screw over the casual players (like me, my gf and friends) who do not play this game 24/7 and don't belong to the Hardcore min/maxing Elite.
It's downright INSULTING they didn't even tried fixing the lower level itemization! They had over a year to do it and come up with a solution for it!
During Closed Beta countless people have reported that lower tiers itemization is broken and is going to cause issues! All was ignored!
They just launched the Expac and leave the lower tiers as is! And then just accept us to continue to pay for this?
Sorry... but the time of smooth talking is over! They had more than enough time to fix this and did not!
It's all too clear now they do not care about us anymore. Only the max level players and Raiders.

If I was a min/max powerleveler you claim, the characters I listed above would not be wearing the gear they are wearing, they'd be fully geared and fabled.

And you are the one who is crying because you cannot take on HEROIC (ie: group intended) mobs SOLO anymore? Who is the min/max powergamer again?

This game had gotten waaaay to easy with players having much to high an expectation of what they should be able to do when playing at the most basic level. People who stop playing because they cannot solo group designed content anymore? I have no pity and won't miss them at all.

I wish you well

guillero · 02-26-2011, 09:55 PM

Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:

Jerokane@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:
Level 30 Mystic wearing level 20 AQ armor set and dropped jewelery. Killed yellow con Orcs in Zek without having to use a Ward.
Level 23 Brigand in TD quest armor and APP abilities over level 20. Health total was about halved, only 1,200 HP. Killed even con goblins in Butcherblock without leaving green.
Level 40 Troubador wearing Feysteel MC with STR/STA/AGI. lived through aggro of three groups of level 39 mobs in Feerrott.
Stop saying the game is broken or unplayable. You can't pull an entire room in RUnnyeye or DFC now maybe, but you can play the game perfectly well. It's not the end of the world as we know it. I'd say your threads are ignored due to hyperbole and venom of a frustrated, envious of others player. Sadly there are many like you so you'll eventually get your way if you kick and scream enough
No, it's people like you that make the devs get away with crap like this! With your Powerlevel attitudes.
I could care less about max level and Raiding! Nor is my gf... nor are any of my friends! Nor do we have a level 90 toon with thousands of plat, to keep our lower level toons fully twinked!
We enjoy the journey, not the cap! Always have.
Last year with the first stage of dumbification of stats, they only bothered updating MC gear.
But it wasn't too bad, as the other stats were still very usefull (depending class). And so a lot of the quest rewards were still nice.
But now, with the final nail in dumbification they didn't even bother to update any of the lower tiers of gear and items. At all!
Sertain classes are easier to solo with than other classes.
The harder to play solo classes, like for example the Ranger. Those are severely affected. A friend of mine just stopped playing his low level ranger, as it has just turned into a chore to play it now.
With my Warden it is still managable, but before Velious I was at least able to deal with heroics and complete some interesting quests on my own.
Now I cannot anymore, as I have lost all avoidance on my char, half of my power and a good chunk of health! And due to heroics almost all having interupts and silence, I am no longer able to outheal them. Plus I am running almost twice as fast out of Power now.
So yes. My solo play and fun in the game, which I still had before Velious, are now seriously affected. Just like a friend of mine just stopped playing his Ranger altogether, as it was no longer fun to play for him. He lost over 50% health on his low level char.
WE DID NOT ASK FOR THIS DUMBIFICATION!
But I can somehow understand why they did it. What I do NOT accept, is that they screw over the casual players (like me, my gf and friends) who do not play this game 24/7 and don't belong to the Hardcore min/maxing Elite.
It's downright INSULTING they didn't even tried fixing the lower level itemization! They had over a year to do it and come up with a solution for it!
During Closed Beta countless people have reported that lower tiers itemization is broken and is going to cause issues! All was ignored!
They just launched the Expac and leave the lower tiers as is! And then just accept us to continue to pay for this?
Sorry... but the time of smooth talking is over! They had more than enough time to fix this and did not!
It's all too clear now they do not care about us anymore. Only the max level players and Raiders.
If I was a min/max powerleveler you claim, the characters I listed above would not be wearing the gear they are wearing, they'd be fully geared and fabled.
And you are the one who is crying because you cannot take on HEROIC (ie: group intended) mobs SOLO anymore? Who is the min/max powergamer again?
This game had gotten waaaay to easy with players having much to high an expectation of what they should be able to do when playing at the most basic level. People who stop playing because they cannot solo group designed content anymore? I have no pity and won't miss them at all.
I wish you well

I am not talking about ^^^ heroics on level here. I am not talking about solo'ing Heroic / Raid dungeons (as lot of people did before SF with chronomaging).

The only way to do this content (most heroic quest lines, herritage quests, etc.... you know the more interesting quests) IS SOLO! As good luck trying to find a group in the lower levels most of the time.

It has nothing to do with Min/Maxing if you are able (or at least were before Velious) to take on some heroic mobs a couple levels below you.

Grouping in the lower levels has died long long ago, when SOE stopped caring about lower level content. And their marketing department having no clue how to get new blood into the game, but were more busy with the Marketplace and releasing most new stuff in the Cash Shop, instead of via GU's INGAME.

But that is a whole issue all together!

FACT IS! The game in the lower tiers was FUN before Velious! And now it no longer is with lots of classes.

The game is nowhere near the state nor has the luxury to do such huge nerfs and changes to the game in the lower tiers and be able to get away with it!

Losing over 50% of health/power. Losing almost all avoidance. Etc. Those aren't some minor adjustments. That's not normal and just downright breaking the game!

Why would we now bother any longer doing all those long time consuming quest lines that give Legendary rewards that have now become outdated and totally useless??

Why would we now bother trying to scrape together a plat or two or three to buy that nice fabled item on the Auction House, when it has now become outdated and totally useless??

Why even bother playing the game anymore in it's current state, if you are not max level and do not care about raiding?

Lortet · 02-26-2011, 10:33 PM

Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:

If I was a min/max powerleveler you claim, the characters I listed above would not be wearing the gear they are wearing, they'd be fully geared and fabled.
And you are the one who is crying because you cannot take on HEROIC (ie: group intended) mobs SOLO anymore? Who is the min/max powergamer again?
This game had gotten waaaay to easy with players having much to high an expectation of what they should be able to do when playing at the most basic level. People who stop playing because they cannot solo group designed content anymore? I have no pity and won't miss them at all.
I wish you well

These sort of responses remind me of the Monty Python skit "4 Yorkshiremen" - along the lines of "Oh in my day things were tough, they were the good old days!" Reverting to gaining xp by killing mediocre mobs with a butter knife is not going to encourage players to stick around.

Things have changed, not the least being the fact that, as mentioned by guillero, if you want to do those heroic quests and content, you need to have a character who can solo them. If it takes weeks of play to assemble the gear and aa points to do that, why not?

To lower the potential of up and coming characters is one thing, but to nerf existing ones is galling. I am an alto-holic, and rather than playing "easy mode" I try to find the hardest things I can fight and see how I go. This nerf has effectively shifted that back to stuff cleared months ago (20 alts so none of them move on far in any given time frame). The minimum hp/power hit any of them took is about 10%, the lower ones far more than that.

There is an odd thing going on though with respect to the alleged low populations in lower tiers - if there are so few lower tier players, how come lower tier rares often have exhorbitant prices on the broker? 1 - 4 plat for rare hard metals is not strange, and expert making rares can be similar. The nerf to item stats including MC may have an effect on that for all the wrong reasons.

Valentina · 02-28-2011, 02:28 PM

Jerokane@Antonia Bayle wrote:

FACT IS! The game in the lower tiers was FUN before Velious! And now it no longer is with lots of classes.
The game is nowhere near the state nor has the luxury to do such huge nerfs and changes to the game in the lower tiers and be able to get away with it!
Losing over 50% of health/power. Losing almost all avoidance. Etc. Those aren't some minor adjustments. That's not normal and just downright breaking the game!
Why would we now bother any longer doing all those long time consuming quest lines that give Legendary rewards that have now become outdated and totally useless??
Why would we now bother trying to scrape together a plat or two or three to buy that nice fabled item on the Auction House, when it has now become outdated and totally useless??
Why even bother playing the game anymore in it's current state, if you are not max level and do not care about raiding?

This.

Bacci · 02-28-2011, 03:47 PM

Lower tier itemization is broken for several reasons:

1 - Imagine you are a new player.

So you start fresh and have really no clue about this game.

You love playing MMORPGs and like adventuring and looting nice items.

You do not know where to go and what to expect.

a)

You want good armor and in chat you hear about mc armor.

Well, you look it up on the broker and see stats on it that are nuts.

What would you think about the game?

b)

You kill Varsoon and loot a robe with str and agi SMILEY

What do you think about the game?

c)

You need 1 minute to kill a mob. Then a shiny level 90 comes down from the sky on his flying mount, mentors you and onehits anything.

You say:" whoa dude, you are my hero, When will i be like you?"

He answers:"Baby, skip this games content and pay ppl to pl you until 90. Then pay them to help you doing starter velious content and there you go.

Or grind your butt off in a completely nerfed and not rewarding environment until you reach 90, rofl."

What would you think about the game?

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+Power and +Health

We lost power and health at a rate of 25 - 50%.

It does not matter if there are people who think it is ok for their 3 alts.

Some caster style toons suffer from having not enough power and since we also lost avoidance ( my level 14 swashy has red avoidance now and no way to raise it) - the lower hp is not covered by mitigation.

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Avoidance

Since agi is no longer an avoidance modifier, lots of classes are having issues with this.

- In first place we have brawlers. Those were always depending on a mix of avoidance and deflection.

The avoidance part is nearly skipped now. They lost it and get more hits than intended.

- Scouts lost their avoidance also. It was also a major part of their defense.

- The plus avoidance you gave to the buffs does not cover the number of avoidance that agi gave before.

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Well this issue need

a) an official statement urgent

b) fixing as fast as possible, it should be proirity 2 right after fixing the graphic texture mistakes you coded in some areas since gu 58.

If you dont see any reason to fix this then be fair enough to let us know, so we dont hope any longer and can quit right now.

02-26-2011, 05:04 PM	#2
Nuhus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,480	They really can't be bothered with the game content LOL, just SC. __________________ SOE will kill off EQ2 before it would naturally die.. 11/10/2004-9/19/2010 - for me

02-26-2011, 05:23 PM	#3
guillero Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 652	Nuhus wrote: They really can't be bothered with the game content LOL, just SC. I couldn't care less about SC. Nor has it anything to do with it. With the expac release they dumbed down the stats to 2 stats only per class archtype. All the lower tier armor and items were (and still are) based on the old system and the stat bonusses are spread over multiple stats. Now with the stat dumbification and all the lower tier armor and items left untouched by the devs, is now causing serious issues in the lower tiers, with characters losing big chunks of health and power, avoidance, resists, etc. All due to the loss of said stats and gear and items not being updated! A lot of classes were already not too easy to solo with! Can you imagine how it is now after the expac? It's not like there is an overabundance of players in the lower tiers and groups are easy to come by. Solo'ing is already not the most fun... now having to do it with severely nerfed and gimped characters is just killing the fun out of this whole game altogether! Especially doing all these quests that now give outdated and useless rewards too! Hell, even the more recent added armor quest lines to KoS a couple GU's ago haven't even been updated!

02-26-2011, 05:51 PM	#4
Tallithia Lord Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 772	Jerokane@Antonia Bayle wrote: Mods! Can you please stop moving critical topics like these to a forum section that gets no dev attention please! Thank you. As I recently read, the MODs move threads to appropriate section so the devs DO see them. Being someone who in my working life had to filter through email and an intranet I can tell you it's a good thing they do. The devs don't have time to filter thru posts to find what they need.Devs and techs hit certain threads that pertain to what they do specifically. So if you want this seen by someone who can actully answer you, or do something about it I suggest posting where it will get the right attention. __________________ Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Few are entitled to the facts. Be Careful what you ask for. You may get what you want but at what cost?

02-26-2011, 06:15 PM	#5
guillero Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 652	Tallithia wrote: Jerokane@Antonia Bayle wrote: Mods! Can you please stop moving critical topics like these to a forum section that gets no dev attention please! Thank you. As I recently read, the MODs move threads to appropriate section so the devs DO see them. Being someone who in my working life had to filter through email and an intranet I can tell you it's a good thing they do. The devs don't have time to filter thru posts to find what they need.Devs and techs hit certain threads that pertain to what they do specifically. So if you want this seen by someone who can actully answer you, or do something about it I suggest posting where it will get the right attention. That's why all the threads in the Item section are being ignored. Right.

02-26-2011, 07:14 PM	#8
guillero Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 652	Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote: Level 30 Mystic wearing level 20 AQ armor set and dropped jewelery. Killed yellow con Orcs in Zek without having to use a Ward. Level 23 Brigand in TD quest armor and APP abilities over level 20. Health total was about halved, only 1,200 HP. Killed even con goblins in Butcherblock without leaving green. Level 40 Troubador wearing Feysteel MC with STR/STA/AGI. lived through aggro of three groups of level 39 mobs in Feerrott. Stop saying the game is broken or unplayable. You can't pull an entire room in RUnnyeye or DFC now maybe, but you can play the game perfectly well. It's not the end of the world as we know it. I'd say your threads are ignored due to hyperbole and venom of a frustrated, envious of others player. Sadly there are many like you so you'll eventually get your way if you kick and scream enough No, it's people like you that make the devs get away with crap like this! With your Powerlevel attitudes. I could care less about max level and Raiding! Nor is my gf... nor are any of my friends! Nor do we have a level 90 toon with thousands of plat, to keep our lower level toons fully twinked! We enjoy the journey, not the cap! Always have. Last year with the first stage of dumbification of stats, they only bothered updating MC gear. But it wasn't too bad, as the other stats were still very usefull (depending class). And so a lot of the quest rewards were still nice. But now, with the final nail in dumbification they didn't even bother to update any of the lower tiers of gear and items. At all! Sertain classes are easier to solo with than other classes. The harder to play solo classes, like for example the Ranger. Those are severely affected. A friend of mine just stopped playing his low level ranger, as it has just turned into a chore to play it now. With my Warden it is still managable, but before Velious I was at least able to deal with heroics and complete some interesting quests on my own. Now I cannot anymore, as I have lost all avoidance on my char, half of my power and a good chunk of health! And due to heroics almost all having interupts and silence, I am no longer able to outheal them. Plus I am running almost twice as fast out of Power now. So yes. My solo play and fun in the game, which I still had before Velious, are now seriously affected. Just like a friend of mine just stopped playing his Ranger altogether, as it was no longer fun to play for him. He lost over 50% health on his low level char. WE DID NOT ASK FOR THIS DUMBIFICATION! But I can somehow understand why they did it. What I do NOT accept, is that they screw over the casual players (like me, my gf and friends) who do not play this game 24/7 and don't belong to the Hardcore min/maxing Elite. It's downright INSULTING they didn't even tried fixing the lower level itemization! They had over a year to do it and come up with a solution for it! During Closed Beta countless people have reported that lower tiers itemization is broken and is going to cause issues! All was ignored! They just launched the Expac and leave the lower tiers as is! And then just accept us to continue to pay for this? Sorry... but the time of smooth talking is over! They had more than enough time to fix this and did not! It's all too clear now they do not care about us anymore. Only the max level players and Raiders.

02-26-2011, 05:02 PM	#1
guillero Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 652	Mods! Can you please stop moving critical topics like these to a forum section that gets no dev attention please! Thank you. This is a serious issue and we demand an answer from SOE on this! Since Velious release and the further stat dumbification, the lower tier itemization is now effectivily BROKEN! Lower level characters have lost significant amounts of health and power! On my level 45 warden alone my avoidance is pretty much gone! Went from 40+ % down to 17% ! Gear and items are now completely outdated with useless stats that have no effect anymore. Which adds to the significant nerfing effect of lower level characters! This whole expansion has turned out into one big EPIC FAIL for players with lower level characters, which are left with nerfed and gimped characters! The most furious part in this, is that this has been brought up during Beta on more than one occasion and ofcourse just ignored! If pre-Velious content is not important anymore to SOE! Are you going to offer us the option to create insta level 85 characters then? As you just pretty much sucked the life and fun out of lower Tiers content now. It was already a solo chore to the top. And now you expect us to do with severely gimped and nerfed characters? Doing quests that give outdated and useless rewards? ! So tell me SOE? Is it over done with this game? Is it only for the players with maxed out toons now? As right now it pretty much looks like it!

02-26-2011, 06:42 PM	#6
arvydys Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 215	Threads like yours are being ignored because you are using hyperbole and also making accusations about what SoE may or may not be doing. Neither me nor anyone in my guild are having any major issues with our mid level toons. Is it a little tougher? Sure, but soloing is such an easy task anyway. You make it seem like no one can do anything because everything is so broken when its just not true.

02-26-2011, 07:00 PM	#7
Illmarr Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,448	Level 30 Mystic wearing level 20 AQ armor set and dropped jewelery. Killed yellow con Orcs in Zek without having to use a Ward. Level 23 Brigand in TD quest armor and APP abilities over level 20. Health total was about halved, only 1,200 HP. Killed even con goblins in Butcherblock without leaving green. Level 40 Troubador wearing Feysteel MC with STR/STA/AGI. lived through aggro of three groups of level 39 mobs in Feerrott. Stop saying the game is broken or unplayable. You can't pull an entire room in RUnnyeye or DFC now maybe, but you can play the game perfectly well. It's not the end of the world as we know it. I'd say your threads are ignored due to hyperbole and venom of a frustrated, envious of others player. Sadly there are many like you so you'll eventually get your way if you kick and scream enough

02-26-2011, 09:43 PM	#9
Illmarr Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,448	Jerokane@Antonia Bayle wrote: Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote: Level 30 Mystic wearing level 20 AQ armor set and dropped jewelery. Killed yellow con Orcs in Zek without having to use a Ward. Level 23 Brigand in TD quest armor and APP abilities over level 20. Health total was about halved, only 1,200 HP. Killed even con goblins in Butcherblock without leaving green. Level 40 Troubador wearing Feysteel MC with STR/STA/AGI. lived through aggro of three groups of level 39 mobs in Feerrott. Stop saying the game is broken or unplayable. You can't pull an entire room in RUnnyeye or DFC now maybe, but you can play the game perfectly well. It's not the end of the world as we know it. I'd say your threads are ignored due to hyperbole and venom of a frustrated, envious of others player. Sadly there are many like you so you'll eventually get your way if you kick and scream enough No, it's people like you that make the devs get away with crap like this! With your Powerlevel attitudes. I could care less about max level and Raiding! Nor is my gf... nor are any of my friends! Nor do we have a level 90 toon with thousands of plat, to keep our lower level toons fully twinked! We enjoy the journey, not the cap! Always have. Last year with the first stage of dumbification of stats, they only bothered updating MC gear. But it wasn't too bad, as the other stats were still very usefull (depending class). And so a lot of the quest rewards were still nice. But now, with the final nail in dumbification they didn't even bother to update any of the lower tiers of gear and items. At all! Sertain classes are easier to solo with than other classes. The harder to play solo classes, like for example the Ranger. Those are severely affected. A friend of mine just stopped playing his low level ranger, as it has just turned into a chore to play it now. With my Warden it is still managable, but before Velious I was at least able to deal with heroics and complete some interesting quests on my own. Now I cannot anymore, as I have lost all avoidance on my char, half of my power and a good chunk of health! And due to heroics almost all having interupts and silence, I am no longer able to outheal them. Plus I am running almost twice as fast out of Power now. So yes. My solo play and fun in the game, which I still had before Velious, are now seriously affected. Just like a friend of mine just stopped playing his Ranger altogether, as it was no longer fun to play for him. He lost over 50% health on his low level char. WE DID NOT ASK FOR THIS DUMBIFICATION! But I can somehow understand why they did it. What I do NOT accept, is that they screw over the casual players (like me, my gf and friends) who do not play this game 24/7 and don't belong to the Hardcore min/maxing Elite. It's downright INSULTING they didn't even tried fixing the lower level itemization! They had over a year to do it and come up with a solution for it! During Closed Beta countless people have reported that lower tiers itemization is broken and is going to cause issues! All was ignored! They just launched the Expac and leave the lower tiers as is! And then just accept us to continue to pay for this? Sorry... but the time of smooth talking is over! They had more than enough time to fix this and did not! It's all too clear now they do not care about us anymore. Only the max level players and Raiders. If I was a min/max powerleveler you claim, the characters I listed above would not be wearing the gear they are wearing, they'd be fully geared and fabled. And you are the one who is crying because you cannot take on HEROIC (ie: group intended) mobs SOLO anymore? Who is the min/max powergamer again? This game had gotten waaaay to easy with players having much to high an expectation of what they should be able to do when playing at the most basic level. People who stop playing because they cannot solo group designed content anymore? I have no pity and won't miss them at all. I wish you well

02-26-2011, 09:55 PM	#10
guillero Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 652	Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote: Jerokane@Antonia Bayle wrote: Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote: Level 30 Mystic wearing level 20 AQ armor set and dropped jewelery. Killed yellow con Orcs in Zek without having to use a Ward. Level 23 Brigand in TD quest armor and APP abilities over level 20. Health total was about halved, only 1,200 HP. Killed even con goblins in Butcherblock without leaving green. Level 40 Troubador wearing Feysteel MC with STR/STA/AGI. lived through aggro of three groups of level 39 mobs in Feerrott. Stop saying the game is broken or unplayable. You can't pull an entire room in RUnnyeye or DFC now maybe, but you can play the game perfectly well. It's not the end of the world as we know it. I'd say your threads are ignored due to hyperbole and venom of a frustrated, envious of others player. Sadly there are many like you so you'll eventually get your way if you kick and scream enough No, it's people like you that make the devs get away with crap like this! With your Powerlevel attitudes. I could care less about max level and Raiding! Nor is my gf... nor are any of my friends! Nor do we have a level 90 toon with thousands of plat, to keep our lower level toons fully twinked! We enjoy the journey, not the cap! Always have. Last year with the first stage of dumbification of stats, they only bothered updating MC gear. But it wasn't too bad, as the other stats were still very usefull (depending class). And so a lot of the quest rewards were still nice. But now, with the final nail in dumbification they didn't even bother to update any of the lower tiers of gear and items. At all! Sertain classes are easier to solo with than other classes. The harder to play solo classes, like for example the Ranger. Those are severely affected. A friend of mine just stopped playing his low level ranger, as it has just turned into a chore to play it now. With my Warden it is still managable, but before Velious I was at least able to deal with heroics and complete some interesting quests on my own. Now I cannot anymore, as I have lost all avoidance on my char, half of my power and a good chunk of health! And due to heroics almost all having interupts and silence, I am no longer able to outheal them. Plus I am running almost twice as fast out of Power now. So yes. My solo play and fun in the game, which I still had before Velious, are now seriously affected. Just like a friend of mine just stopped playing his Ranger altogether, as it was no longer fun to play for him. He lost over 50% health on his low level char. WE DID NOT ASK FOR THIS DUMBIFICATION! But I can somehow understand why they did it. What I do NOT accept, is that they screw over the casual players (like me, my gf and friends) who do not play this game 24/7 and don't belong to the Hardcore min/maxing Elite. It's downright INSULTING they didn't even tried fixing the lower level itemization! They had over a year to do it and come up with a solution for it! During Closed Beta countless people have reported that lower tiers itemization is broken and is going to cause issues! All was ignored! They just launched the Expac and leave the lower tiers as is! And then just accept us to continue to pay for this? Sorry... but the time of smooth talking is over! They had more than enough time to fix this and did not! It's all too clear now they do not care about us anymore. Only the max level players and Raiders. If I was a min/max powerleveler you claim, the characters I listed above would not be wearing the gear they are wearing, they'd be fully geared and fabled. And you are the one who is crying because you cannot take on HEROIC (ie: group intended) mobs SOLO anymore? Who is the min/max powergamer again? This game had gotten waaaay to easy with players having much to high an expectation of what they should be able to do when playing at the most basic level. People who stop playing because they cannot solo group designed content anymore? I have no pity and won't miss them at all. I wish you well I am not talking about ^^^ heroics on level here. I am not talking about solo'ing Heroic / Raid dungeons (as lot of people did before SF with chronomaging). The only way to do this content (most heroic quest lines, herritage quests, etc.... you know the more interesting quests) IS SOLO! As good luck trying to find a group in the lower levels most of the time. It has nothing to do with Min/Maxing if you are able (or at least were before Velious) to take on some heroic mobs a couple levels below you. Grouping in the lower levels has died long long ago, when SOE stopped caring about lower level content. And their marketing department having no clue how to get new blood into the game, but were more busy with the Marketplace and releasing most new stuff in the Cash Shop, instead of via GU's INGAME. But that is a whole issue all together! FACT IS! The game in the lower tiers was FUN before Velious! And now it no longer is with lots of classes. The game is nowhere near the state nor has the luxury to do such huge nerfs and changes to the game in the lower tiers and be able to get away with it! Losing over 50% of health/power. Losing almost all avoidance. Etc. Those aren't some minor adjustments. That's not normal and just downright breaking the game! Why would we now bother any longer doing all those long time consuming quest lines that give Legendary rewards that have now become outdated and totally useless?? Why would we now bother trying to scrape together a plat or two or three to buy that nice fabled item on the Auction House, when it has now become outdated and totally useless?? Why even bother playing the game anymore in it's current state, if you are not max level and do not care about raiding?

02-26-2011, 10:33 PM	#11
Lortet Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 885	Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote: If I was a min/max powerleveler you claim, the characters I listed above would not be wearing the gear they are wearing, they'd be fully geared and fabled. And you are the one who is crying because you cannot take on HEROIC (ie: group intended) mobs SOLO anymore? Who is the min/max powergamer again? This game had gotten waaaay to easy with players having much to high an expectation of what they should be able to do when playing at the most basic level. People who stop playing because they cannot solo group designed content anymore? I have no pity and won't miss them at all. I wish you well These sort of responses remind me of the Monty Python skit "4 Yorkshiremen" - along the lines of "Oh in my day things were tough, they were the good old days!" Reverting to gaining xp by killing mediocre mobs with a butter knife is not going to encourage players to stick around. Things have changed, not the least being the fact that, as mentioned by guillero, if you want to do those heroic quests and content, you need to have a character who can solo them. If it takes weeks of play to assemble the gear and aa points to do that, why not? To lower the potential of up and coming characters is one thing, but to nerf existing ones is galling. I am an alto-holic, and rather than playing "easy mode" I try to find the hardest things I can fight and see how I go. This nerf has effectively shifted that back to stuff cleared months ago (20 alts so none of them move on far in any given time frame). The minimum hp/power hit any of them took is about 10%, the lower ones far more than that. There is an odd thing going on though with respect to the alleged low populations in lower tiers - if there are so few lower tier players, how come lower tier rares often have exhorbitant prices on the broker? 1 - 4 plat for rare hard metals is not strange, and expert making rares can be similar. The nerf to item stats including MC may have an effect on that for all the wrong reasons.

02-28-2011, 02:28 PM	#12
Valentina Server: Butcherblock Guild: House of Fallen Shadows Rank: Empress Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 509	Jerokane@Antonia Bayle wrote: FACT IS! The game in the lower tiers was FUN before Velious! And now it no longer is with lots of classes. The game is nowhere near the state nor has the luxury to do such huge nerfs and changes to the game in the lower tiers and be able to get away with it! Losing over 50% of health/power. Losing almost all avoidance. Etc. Those aren't some minor adjustments. That's not normal and just downright breaking the game! Why would we now bother any longer doing all those long time consuming quest lines that give Legendary rewards that have now become outdated and totally useless?? Why would we now bother trying to scrape together a plat or two or three to buy that nice fabled item on the Auction House, when it has now become outdated and totally useless?? Why even bother playing the game anymore in it's current state, if you are not max level and do not care about raiding? This.

02-28-2011, 03:47 PM	#13
Bacci Server: Runnyeye Guild: Free Spirits Rank: Spiritkeeper Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 141	Lower tier itemization is broken for several reasons: 1 - Imagine you are a new player. So you start fresh and have really no clue about this game. You love playing MMORPGs and like adventuring and looting nice items. You do not know where to go and what to expect. a) You want good armor and in chat you hear about mc armor. Well, you look it up on the broker and see stats on it that are nuts. What would you think about the game? b) You kill Varsoon and loot a robe with str and agi What do you think about the game? c) You need 1 minute to kill a mob. Then a shiny level 90 comes down from the sky on his flying mount, mentors you and onehits anything. You say:" whoa dude, you are my hero, When will i be like you?" He answers:"Baby, skip this games content and pay ppl to pl you until 90. Then pay them to help you doing starter velious content and there you go. Or grind your butt off in a completely nerfed and not rewarding environment until you reach 90, rofl." What would you think about the game? ------------------------- +Power and +Health We lost power and health at a rate of 25 - 50%. It does not matter if there are people who think it is ok for their 3 alts. Some caster style toons suffer from having not enough power and since we also lost avoidance ( my level 14 swashy has red avoidance now and no way to raise it) - the lower hp is not covered by mitigation. ---------------------------- Avoidance Since agi is no longer an avoidance modifier, lots of classes are having issues with this. - In first place we have brawlers. Those were always depending on a mix of avoidance and deflection. The avoidance part is nearly skipped now. They lost it and get more hits than intended. - Scouts lost their avoidance also. It was also a major part of their defense. - The plus avoidance you gave to the buffs does not cover the number of avoidance that agi gave before. -------------------------- Well this issue need a) an official statement urgent b) fixing as fast as possible, it should be proirity 2 right after fixing the graphic texture mistakes you coded in some areas since gu 58. If you dont see any reason to fix this then be fair enough to let us know, so we dont hope any longer and can quit right now.