Concidence? I think not...

[Wytie]

Do you think its a concidence the new race has the most powerful racial abilitys of all the other races, and get exclusive abilitys that give them a slight advantage over every other racial that was nerfed and rebalenced long ago?

Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Granted its very minimal, but buying an advantage is still buying an advanatage if you ask me.

[Kitsi]

SURPRISE.............not.

[rowanleigh]

Have you checked out this article:

Here's a snippet:

"Paying for content also has its pitfalls. If I buy access to an instance, I have to hope all my buddies did too; else someone is going to be left out. If I join a new raiding guild, it’s time to buy whatever current raid they are on, and forget whatever raids I already bought for my old guild. Players hate broken content already, what if in addition to wasting your time, you just paid for a broken quest, or a broken instance? At that point the old “slap in the face” forum post might actually be justified. If we are paying for gear, it creates more problems. If all your buddies bought tier 2 armor, and you are using the free tier 1 stuff, good luck getting a raid or instance spot. Who wants to bring the freeloader with ‘noob’ gear? Not to mention, if we remove the item carrot from an MMO, what exactly are we grinding towards? MMO gamers love to grind, we just like it cleverly disguised by things like XP, reputation, renown, gear tiers, keys, or any number of things. If I can pay to remove the grind, what exactly do I have left going for me, other than mailbox [Removed for Content]? Sure things like ‘exploring’ and ‘seeing content’ sound nice, but single player games are notoriously better for those activities, and if we remove the grind of an MMO, the content goes by very quickly. It won’t take players long to figure out that dropping a ton of money for a character with limited options is not that great an idea."

whole thing is here:

http://syncaine.wordpress.com/2008/...t-fail-of-mmos/

[Geothe]

It definitely is right on track for the decisions of the current higher-ups with SoE atm.

The sole race that has any damaging racial abilities since the race-revamp, and it not even being a casted ability, but a persistant damage proc, and it is only avaliable by shelling out extra money to SoE.

And it will just get worse and more obvious from this point on as well.

[Xill]

Geothe wrote:

It definitely is right on track for the decisions of the current higher-ups with SoE atm.

The sole race that has any damaging racial abilities since the race-revamp, and it not even being a casted ability, but a persistant damage proc, and it is only avaliable by shelling out extra money to SoE.

And it will just get worse and more obvious from this point on as well.

Yeah but you know what... its your fault. Yes you. All of you. Myself included I suppose but at this point that doesnt matter. We didnt act when we had the chance. And even now, YOUR STILL PAYING THEM. Whatever the reason its still happening. And as long as it continues to happen... it will get worse.

The only thing that irriatates me about these posts (and I completely agree with them tbh) is that your complaining about something your choosing to do. Your still playing and paying. And as long as you do, they are going to do whatever they want to try to make more money for doing less and spend it on EQnext. Which none of us are going to play.

[CoLD MeTaL]

I'm thinking I should 're-think' my decision to get rid of all my AD&D manuals.  Maybe its time to go back to paper and pencil where I can afford to play.

[Jovie]

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

I'm thinking I should 're-think' my decision to get rid of all my AD&D manuals.  Maybe its time to go back to paper and pencil where I can afford to play.

TSR was the king of the item shop. Having to purchase each and every module, campagne, map....

[Kitsi]

Xill wrote:

Geothe wrote:

It definitely is right on track for the decisions of the current higher-ups with SoE atm.

The sole race that has any damaging racial abilities since the race-revamp, and it not even being a casted ability, but a persistant damage proc, and it is only avaliable by shelling out extra money to SoE.

And it will just get worse and more obvious from this point on as well.

Yeah but you know what... its your fault. Yes you. All of you. Myself included I suppose but at this point that doesnt matter. We didnt act when we had the chance. And even now, YOUR STILL PAYING THEM. Whatever the reason its still happening. And as long as it continues to happen... it will get worse.

The only thing that irriatates me about these posts (and I completely agree with them tbh) is that your complaining about something your choosing to do. Your still playing and paying. And as long as you do, they are going to do whatever they want to try to make more money for doing less and spend it on EQnext. Which none of us are going to play.

I am just killing time on the forums until my sub runs out.   I tried really hard to continue to play and enjoy the game, even though I knew this would happen months ago.

I dislike SOE's slimy method of instituting the Extended model on the live servers.  It will be a shame when they convert over so that those willing to pay the monthly subscription are suddently gimped like the Extended mechanic.

But you are correct, Goethe.  If you don't support the changes SOE is making (and they are going to continue to milk this cash cow - rest assured) but you continue to pay a monthly subscription on Live - you are telling them it is ok.  You can voice your unhappiness all you want, but as long as you pay, SOE is happy.

But it isn't ok with me and soon my fun on the forums will end.  If I could have gotten a refund for this last month, I would have.

Personally, SOE is acting like a wuss and the subscribers who don't support this game mechanic but continue to pay are acting like fools.

SOE needs to man up and make the change to an all Extended mechanic. 

Those that don't support it need to stop paying.

[Vellisse]

It does 34 - 25 DPS / HPS 90 Ranger.

lol, not gamebreaking.

[CoLD MeTaL]

Junglelilly@Guk wrote:

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

I'm thinking I should 're-think' my decision to get rid of all my AD&D manuals.  Maybe its time to go back to paper and pencil where I can afford to play.

TSR was the king of the item shop. Having to purchase each and every module, campagne, map....

You needed very little to run your own, 2 books and dice.  The rest was up to you if you wanted them.

[Beastmage]

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

Junglelilly@Guk wrote:

You needed very little to run your own, 2 books and dice.  The rest was up to you if you wanted them.

Same could be said about station cash items.  You don't need any of it, its simply up to you if you want it.

[Peppto]

Newer and potentially better games are OTW, SOE better watch their footing when it comes to charging people on live server for access to basic things, I've been loyal for near 6 years but I will bail this if they start that.

[dawy]

They just keep pushing this tosh go too far off it comes then bingo back something newer comes

[Heimdall00]

Geothe wrote:

It definitely is right on track for the decisions of the current higher-ups with SoE atm.

The sole race that has any damaging racial abilities since the race-revamp, and it not even being a casted ability, but a persistant damage proc, and it is only avaliable by shelling out extra money to SoE.

And it will just get worse and more obvious from this point on as well.

It is a good thing it is not casted, that way it does not proc anything. Casted ability would bring far more than 30 dps. And that "sole race" is free, if you just willing to wait 2 months. Sorry, but a couple of dollars to "preview" the new race before it goes live is more than fair.

[Jrral]

Heimdall00 wrote:

It is a good thing it is not casted, that way it does not proc anything. Casted ability would bring far more than 30 dps. And that "sole race" is free, if you just willing to wait 2 months. Sorry, but a couple of dollars to "preview" the new race before it goes live is more than fair.

Actually it's not free. If you join the game today, you will not get the Freeblood when Velious comes out. The only way to get it will be to buy the unlock from the Marketplace. The purchase isn't a preview, it's the plan going forward with the freebie being an exception given to existing players at the last moment.

[hellfire]

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

You needed very little to run your own, 2 books and dice.  The rest was up to you if you wanted them.

That is the same damm thing as SC....to a T

[LardLord]

Fendinia@Antonia Bayle wrote:

It does 34 - 25 DPS / HPS 90 Ranger.

lol, not gamebreaking.

Other racial traits such as 2% multi-attack are probably better honestly.

EDIT: Nevermind, apparently they get that one too.

[regalus]

pretty shockin really this whole vamp race stuff, when we got the arasai and the new area's for free, but now we gotta pay in the region of 50GBP/USD for a new race. that belongs on the extended server, ive never seen any other sub based game pull one like that.

im guessing and this really is just an educated guess that eq2 live servers are likely to switch to the extended model, when you ask, id bet a months pay a month or 2 down the line, wont be the first game they've done some major tinkering with just after an exp pack ask any former SWG player.

personally im debating whether to even purchase the expansion or even whether to stay sub. 

[Eritius]

Last I heard it was 43 DPS on a raid buffed toon. This is SRS BZNES!!!11

I think my Hover ability does more then that lol. In all seriousness I think the extra 10 AGI a wood elf scout gets does more DPS =P

[Metaphysix]

Paill@Nagafen wrote:

Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Granted its very minimal, but buying an advantage is still buying an advanatage if you ask me.

I'm glad I didn't ask you, then.

I'm all for supporting an aging game that I really enjoy.

And as it stands, I have no desire to play Freeblood.

[Valdaglerion]

Junglelilly@Guk wrote:

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

I'm thinking I should 're-think' my decision to get rid of all my AD&D manuals.  Maybe its time to go back to paper and pencil where I can afford to play.

TSR was the king of the item shop. Having to purchase each and every module, campagne, map....

No, paying was an option to buy premade content modules. Once you had the primary books and a set of dice you could build your own modules, campaigns, lore, etc.

The player made content was the best, period.

[Levatino]

btw just curious what happens on PvP when you encounter an vampire and you have the Vampire L&L completed

[Wurm]

Paill@Nagafen wrote:

Do you think its a concidence the new race has the most powerful racial abilitys of all the other races, and get exclusive abilitys that give them a slight advantage over every other racial that was nerfed and rebalenced long ago?

Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Granted its very minimal, but buying an advantage is still buying an advanatage if you ask me.

I want my DE "Fueled by Hate" back and for it to work while in combat... then I'll be more than happy with the Vampire ability.

[Gilasil]

Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:

Last I heard it was 43 DPS on a raid buffed toon. This is SRS BZNES!!!11

I think my Hover ability does more then that lol. In all seriousness I think the extra 10 AGI a wood elf scout gets does more DPS =P

LOL!!!!

All the racials give very minor benefits in one way or another.  I still enjoy the water breathing of my Iksar.  Sure you can get it any number of ways, but it means I don't have to mess with any of those items. Likewise, you can probably find something which will increase your DPS by such a minor amount.

I have absolutely no interest in playing a vampire, but nothing I've heard is game breaking.

About AD&D -- I ran an AD&D campaign for years and never used bought material other then the rulebooks (although it was more then two -- I think I eventually was carrying around 5 or so).  In any event, the total cash outlay was WAY less.  (Unless you were in to the miniatures in which case things could get out of hand very quickly.)  I did this mainly because I wanted to have a coherent campaign with my own lore and dropping in some third party module would just mess things up.

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[Heimdall00]

I currently playing AD&D and have been for years. Sorry, but basic "core" is 3 books at $100 at game store and $60 at amazon. However if you are playing 4th ed, you NEED minis, which are stupid expensive, as well as many non-core books. Right now our campaign is mostly 3.5 (bacause 4th ed sucks) and we are using probably over a dozen books (Complete series, BoED, BoVD, RoD, MoW, Ebberon, etc) as well as 100s of dollars in minis. Sure you can go without all extras (just like in eq2, you COULD run a freebie eq2x account and do without extra bag space or fabled items), but it is much nicer to have access to "legit" additions to the game. It is nice to be able to plan out your character long-term and build up a story ideas for him rather than not being sure at what rules DM will have in a level or 2 (which is always been a case in fully house rulesets).

AD&D 2nd ed was the worst at "RMT" with probably 50 books that you "needed" to play class to some potential, along with monthly MM page inserts. Not using those resources would be like running a lvl 90 class without any AAs.

Aside from rules and classes/spells, we are definetely running all custom campaigns with DM-created worlds, modules, story arcs and dungeons.

[Alenna]

Heimdall00 wrote:

I currently playing AD&D and have been for years. Sorry, but basic "core" is 3 books at $100 at game store and $60 at amazon. However if you are playing 4th ed, you NEED minis, which are stupid expensive, as well as many non-core books. Right now our campaign is mostly 3.5 (bacause 4th ed sucks) and we are using probably over a dozen books (Complete series, BoED, BoVD, RoD, MoW, Ebberon, etc) as well as 100s of dollars in minis. Sure you can go without all extras (just like in eq2, you COULD run a freebie eq2x account and do without extra bag space or fabled items), but it is much nicer to have access to "legit" additions to the game. It is nice to be able to plan out your character long-term and build up a story ideas for him rather than not being sure at what rules DM will have in a level or 2 (which is always been a case in fully house rulesets).

AD&D 2nd ed was the worst at "RMT" with probably 50 books that you "needed" to play class to some potential, along with monthly MM page inserts. Not using those resources would be like running a lvl 90 class without any AAs.

Aside from rules and classes/spells, we are definetely running all custom campaigns with DM-created worlds, modules, story arcs and dungeons.

You mean you don't devise your own senario's when I was playing D&D dragonquest, champions etc our GMs used the core books as a jumping point and developed their own senarios. I even ran a NPW session once when our regular GMs didn't want to run one that night. was told htat was the funnest time they had and I only had hte core books to go on and my imagination.

[Heimdall00]

Alenna@Guk wrote:

Heimdall00 wrote:

I currently playing AD&D and have been for years. Sorry, but basic "core" is 3 books at $100 at game store and $60 at amazon. However if you are playing 4th ed, you NEED minis, which are stupid expensive, as well as many non-core books. Right now our campaign is mostly 3.5 (bacause 4th ed sucks) and we are using probably over a dozen books (Complete series, BoED, BoVD, RoD, MoW, Ebberon, etc) as well as 100s of dollars in minis. Sure you can go without all extras (just like in eq2, you COULD run a freebie eq2x account and do without extra bag space or fabled items), but it is much nicer to have access to "legit" additions to the game. It is nice to be able to plan out your character long-term and build up a story ideas for him rather than not being sure at what rules DM will have in a level or 2 (which is always been a case in fully house rulesets).

AD&D 2nd ed was the worst at "RMT" with probably 50 books that you "needed" to play class to some potential, along with monthly MM page inserts. Not using those resources would be like running a lvl 90 class without any AAs.

Aside from rules and classes/spells, we are definetely running all custom campaigns with DM-created worlds, modules, story arcs and dungeons.

You mean you don't devise your own senario's when I was playing D&D dragonquest, champions etc our GMs used the core books as a jumping point and developed their own senarios. I even ran a NPW session once when our regular GMs didn't want to run one that night. was told htat was the funnest time they had and I only had hte core books to go on and my imagination.

No, we devise scenarios. But we do use official prestige classes (which are in other books) , as well as races, spells, feats and other rulesets. I like knowing that my bard can eventually become Sublime Chord and be able to track progression, as well as knowing that I have to weave the search for druid, etc somewhere in my adventuring. None of the books we use are for scenarios, but rather for rules that make our game more varied yet stable and consistent with everyone's expactations.

[x82nd77]

I have been here since the release of frogloks, fae, arasi, and am completely stunned that this new race was put in with a charge on it.  If you are going to charge us for BASIC things (like a race is) make the entire game F2P, do not try to balance both. It is just bad business and shows exactly how little respect you have for your customers.  I have already reinstalled Lotro (which seems to have a great and well done marketplace) and even am trying WoW for the first time since all they seem to offer is pets and mounts (fluff) on theirs.  Look around the forum SOE, and do it quick... you will not see the usual voices upset over this but your loyal vets who have been here and paying since launch.  [Removed for Content] us off and you won't have a game left in which to peddle your wares.

[kcirrot]

Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:

Junglelilly@Guk wrote:

CoLD MeTaL wrote:

I'm thinking I should 're-think' my decision to get rid of all my AD&D manuals.  Maybe its time to go back to paper and pencil where I can afford to play.

TSR was the king of the item shop. Having to purchase each and every module, campagne, map....

No, paying was an option to buy premade content modules. Once you had the primary books and a set of dice you could build your own modules, campaigns, lore, etc.

The player made content was the best, period.

What item on the Marketplace is required to play Everquest II?