Evil Roehn Theer

slippery · 08-25-2010, 11:42 PM

What are the chances of getting some of those other weapons that had floated around put on Theers table? Then having it drop a charm, a weapon, the bp's, and then 3 rune loot as applicable.

The charms, while amazing, don't feel like it should be all you get from the expansion boss. The bp's are marginal upgrades at best, and worse in some cases due to different effects. (I still maintain that T3 BP's should have more than 20 crit mit).

Kander · 08-26-2010, 12:22 AM

The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.

This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.

My apologies.

Gaige · 08-26-2010, 12:30 AM

Don't apologize Kander we still love you a lot.

Jeal · 08-26-2010, 01:07 AM

3 rune wrist PLUS 4 rune loot pls SMILEY

Boise · 08-26-2010, 01:51 AM

Kander wrote:

The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.
This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.
My apologies.

Any other items getting a redo?

thog_zork · 08-26-2010, 07:08 AM

Boise wrote:

Kander wrote:
The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.
This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.
My apologies.
Any other items getting a redo?

most other t3 need also a look at ..

circusgirl · 08-26-2010, 12:09 PM

thog_zork wrote:

Boise wrote:
Kander wrote:
The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.
This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.
My apologies.
Any other items getting a redo?
most other t3 need also a look at ..

The gloves are pretty lackluster considering how hard Ark is too.

Alfeo · 08-26-2010, 01:00 PM

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:

The gloves are pretty lackluster considering how hard Ark is too.

This is true, the difficulty difference between Ark and the other hard modes (Hole and 4RT exempted) is pretty major. I'm sure that fact becomes evident if one compares how many times Ark has been killed vs Toxx, Waansu, Twins, Maalus and Sages. If loot off mobs is supposed to scale with difficulty, I would imagine the t3 gloves could be a little bit better than they are now. The t3 chest buff though is definitely a very welcome change, can't wait to see some of the new things that are gonna be put on those chest pieces.

Corydonn · 08-26-2010, 01:02 PM

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:

thog_zork wrote:
Boise wrote:
Kander wrote:
The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.
This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.
My apologies.
Any other items getting a redo?
most other t3 need also a look at ..
The gloves are pretty lackluster considering how hard Ark is too.

The gloves are fine considering you can get them off Klaaktuus, a much easier mob and that T4 gloves are dropping off the first named in wing three of The Hole

slippery · 08-26-2010, 01:07 PM

Kander wrote:

The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.
This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.
My apologies.

Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table?

Can't blame a man for trying!

Alfeo · 08-26-2010, 01:13 PM

Corydonn wrote:

The gloves are fine considering you can get them off Klaaktuus, a much easier mob and that T4 gloves are dropping off the first named in wing three of The Hole

It's interesting that you say that while playing on AB , one of the servers that recently had a hardware upgrade to fix alot of the lag people experience in overworld zones. I can give you stories about how bad the lag can get on Najena and what messed up things that have happened on our pulls because of it if you like though. Not to mention for most servers I'd imagine HM Klaak is pretty much on farm status by one guild, the one most willing to put up with the lag and to wait it out and usually the most progressed one with the best gear. So to suggest that the gloves are easily accessible is misleading imo. Gloves are ,hands down, the hardest piece to get besides the chest.

But it is a fair point that perhaps they dont need an upgrade because there is a better version in them that drops off XYZ in the hole.

Kander · 08-26-2010, 01:23 PM

slippery wrote:

Kander wrote:
The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.
This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.
My apologies.
Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table?
Can't blame a man for trying!

The axe and that exact armor will be dropping in the next expansion, only in a certain raid zone.

So no.

slippery · 08-26-2010, 01:37 PM

Cheater using future art! SMILEY

Stubbswick · 08-26-2010, 01:44 PM

So we'll be fighting Kraytoc Killingfrost next expansion?

Sweet... time for payback for making me grind 100k faction.

Lantis · 08-26-2010, 02:15 PM

Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU?

Barx · 08-26-2010, 02:18 PM

Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU?

Should be a hotfix, there's no reason they'd have to wait 3 months to make those changes, they're mainly just updating existing items.

Gaige · 08-26-2010, 02:22 PM

Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU?

Its only 4RT loot that is getting updated.

Shizune · 08-26-2010, 02:30 PM

Maybe any chance of adding a 2 hander that all fighters could use on the loot table?

Peraud · 08-26-2010, 04:01 PM

Kander wrote:

slippery wrote:
Kander wrote:
The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.
This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.
My apologies.
Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table?
Can't blame a man for trying!
The axe and that exact armor will be dropping in the next expansion, only in a certain raid zone.
So no.

So, instead of the SC armor (which is green) we'll be getting the excact same model only in blue, but this time from in-game drops. . . cool!!

Lantis · 08-26-2010, 06:07 PM

Gaige wrote:

Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU?
Its only 4RT loot that is getting updated.

The mob that virtually nobody is killing right now? Meh.

Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there.

Gaige · 08-26-2010, 06:21 PM

Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there.

Its easymode loot is fine. The bracelets are one of the best for the slot and the BPs are good enough for the challenge and allow you to kill the hardest version of him which will get you the upgraded BPs.

Lantis · 08-26-2010, 08:12 PM

Gaige wrote:

Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there.
Its easymode loot is fine. The bracelets are one of the best for the slot and the BPs are good enough for the challenge and allow you to kill the hardest version of him which will get you the upgraded BPs.

Here's an example of what I meant:

http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...097a683420993fe

upgraded to:

http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...ccf67b631b2cf29

The difference between the two is minimal.

Morghus · 08-26-2010, 08:20 PM

Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Gaige wrote:
Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there.
Its easymode loot is fine. The bracelets are one of the best for the slot and the BPs are good enough for the challenge and allow you to kill the hardest version of him which will get you the upgraded BPs.
Here's an example of what I meant:
http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...097a683420993fe
upgraded to:
http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...ccf67b631b2cf29
The difference between the two is minimal.

I don't see what the big deal is. All T1 - T2 upgrades are similar.

http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...419987ed85bd5a6

http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...3a60231fd1fc359

Lantis · 08-26-2010, 08:31 PM

Morghus wrote:

Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Here's an example of what I meant:
http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...097a683420993fe
upgraded to:
http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...ccf67b631b2cf29
The difference between the two is minimal.
I don't see what the big deal is. All T1 - T2 upgrades are similar.
http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...419987ed85bd5a6
http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...3a60231fd1fc359

It's the progression rate. The difference between the two is so minimal, that you might as well have skipped them, and jumped right at the next level of itemization progression.

Gaige · 08-27-2010, 01:56 AM

T1 and T2 is all easymode loot though.

Gormak · 08-27-2010, 02:06 AM

Gaige wrote:

T1 and T2 is all easymode loot though.

I agree here.

If outside of the reported changes to 4R-RT gear, i might support someone coming forward and suggesting for a greater jump in benefit from going from T2 to T3 gear across the board. But the easy mode loot is perfectly fine TBH.

Personally im actually finding *most* (not all) of the T3 armor/clothing pieces dont offer the same net gain the player gets when they upgrade from an "easy mode" jewlery/accessory slot to a hard mode jewlery/accessory. The gains to be seen on those are tangible and significant.

The T3 armorpieces, generally not so much.

Syndarin · 08-27-2010, 02:26 AM

You added 5 crit mit and stigmatic frenzy 3 to everything. SWEET UPGRADE >_>

Morghus · 08-27-2010, 02:39 AM

Lol the Archaic has no ability mod, no reuse and doesn't appear to have Stigmatic Frenzy at all which would make the summoner version which also does not have ability mod better for all mages. If that doesn't change I see most mages wearing the Baleful robe and pants and Archaic everything else.

Syndarin · 08-27-2010, 03:22 AM

Seriously? Didn't even throw on stigmatic frenzy.

Alfeo · 08-27-2010, 11:43 AM

I'm curious, the wording on stigmatic frenzy says it casts the buff on the target of spell cast. The only stig frenzy item I knew of before they were added to the t3 chests was the healer shield off Hoaarastus in the hole and I've not gotten to test that but I'm wondering how this proc is gonna work for tanks/dps.

08-25-2010, 11:42 PM	#1
slippery Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,272	What are the chances of getting some of those other weapons that had floated around put on Theers table? Then having it drop a charm, a weapon, the bp's, and then 3 rune loot as applicable. The charms, while amazing, don't feel like it should be all you get from the expansion boss. The bp's are marginal upgrades at best, and worse in some cases due to different effects. (I still maintain that T3 BP's should have more than 20 crit mit). __________________ Arabel/Iguards/Thristin/Islayx, Leader of Equilibrium on Antonia Bayle

08-26-2010, 12:22 AM	#2
Kander Game Dev Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 660	The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon. This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not. My apologies. __________________ <img src="http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7049/kandersignatureskyshrin.jpg">

08-26-2010, 12:30 AM	#3
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Don't apologize Kander we still love you a lot. __________________

08-26-2010, 01:51 AM	#5
Boise Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 229	Kander wrote: The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon. This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not. My apologies. Any other items getting a redo?

08-26-2010, 07:08 AM	#6
thog_zork Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 585	Boise wrote: Kander wrote: The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon. This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not. My apologies. Any other items getting a redo? most other t3 need also a look at ..

08-26-2010, 01:07 AM	#4
Jeal Server: Unrest Guild: Equilibrium Rank: Officer Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 218	3 rune wrist PLUS 4 rune loot pls

08-26-2010, 12:09 PM	#7
circusgirl Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,424	thog_zork wrote: Boise wrote: Kander wrote: The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon. This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not. My apologies. Any other items getting a redo? most other t3 need also a look at .. The gloves are pretty lackluster considering how hard Ark is too.

08-26-2010, 01:00 PM	#8
Alfeo Lord Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 86	Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote: The gloves are pretty lackluster considering how hard Ark is too. This is true, the difficulty difference between Ark and the other hard modes (Hole and 4RT exempted) is pretty major. I'm sure that fact becomes evident if one compares how many times Ark has been killed vs Toxx, Waansu, Twins, Maalus and Sages. If loot off mobs is supposed to scale with difficulty, I would imagine the t3 gloves could be a little bit better than they are now. The t3 chest buff though is definitely a very welcome change, can't wait to see some of the new things that are gonna be put on those chest pieces.

08-26-2010, 01:02 PM	#9
Corydonn Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 744	Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote: thog_zork wrote: Boise wrote: Kander wrote: The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon. This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not. My apologies. Any other items getting a redo? most other t3 need also a look at .. The gloves are pretty lackluster considering how hard Ark is too. The gloves are fine considering you can get them off Klaaktuus, a much easier mob and that T4 gloves are dropping off the first named in wing three of The Hole

08-26-2010, 01:07 PM	#10
slippery Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,272	Kander wrote: The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon. This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not. My apologies. Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table? Can't blame a man for trying! __________________ Arabel/Iguards/Thristin/Islayx, Leader of Equilibrium on Antonia Bayle

08-26-2010, 01:13 PM	#11
Alfeo Lord Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 86	Corydonn wrote: The gloves are fine considering you can get them off Klaaktuus, a much easier mob and that T4 gloves are dropping off the first named in wing three of The Hole It's interesting that you say that while playing on AB , one of the servers that recently had a hardware upgrade to fix alot of the lag people experience in overworld zones. I can give you stories about how bad the lag can get on Najena and what messed up things that have happened on our pulls because of it if you like though. Not to mention for most servers I'd imagine HM Klaak is pretty much on farm status by one guild, the one most willing to put up with the lag and to wait it out and usually the most progressed one with the best gear. So to suggest that the gloves are easily accessible is misleading imo. Gloves are ,hands down, the hardest piece to get besides the chest. But it is a fair point that perhaps they dont need an upgrade because there is a better version in them that drops off XYZ in the hole.

08-26-2010, 01:23 PM	#12
Kander Game Dev Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 660	slippery wrote: Kander wrote: The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon. This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not. My apologies. Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table? Can't blame a man for trying! The axe and that exact armor will be dropping in the next expansion, only in a certain raid zone. So no. __________________ <img src="http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7049/kandersignatureskyshrin.jpg">

08-26-2010, 01:37 PM	#13
slippery Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,272	Cheater using future art! __________________ Arabel/Iguards/Thristin/Islayx, Leader of Equilibrium on Antonia Bayle

08-26-2010, 01:44 PM	#14
Stubbswick Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 293	So we'll be fighting Kraytoc Killingfrost next expansion? Sweet... time for payback for making me grind 100k faction.

08-26-2010, 02:15 PM	#15
Lantis Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 943	Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU? __________________ RosterMaster Stand Alone - EQ2 Guild Roster tool

08-26-2010, 02:18 PM	#16
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote: Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU? Should be a hotfix, there's no reason they'd have to wait 3 months to make those changes, they're mainly just updating existing items.

08-26-2010, 02:22 PM	#17
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote: Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU? Its only 4RT loot that is getting updated. __________________

08-26-2010, 02:30 PM	#18
Shizune Server: Nektulos Guild: Has Gone Linkdead Rank: Namara's Nekkid Ninjas Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 83	Maybe any chance of adding a 2 hander that all fighters could use on the loot table? __________________

08-26-2010, 04:01 PM	#19
Peraud Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 32	Kander wrote: slippery wrote: Kander wrote: The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon. This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not. My apologies. Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table? Can't blame a man for trying! The axe and that exact armor will be dropping in the next expansion, only in a certain raid zone. So no. So, instead of the SC armor (which is green) we'll be getting the excact same model only in blue, but this time from in-game drops. . . cool!!

08-26-2010, 06:07 PM	#20
Lantis Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 943	Gaige wrote: Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote: Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU? Its only 4RT loot that is getting updated. The mob that virtually nobody is killing right now? Meh. Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there. __________________ RosterMaster Stand Alone - EQ2 Guild Roster tool

08-26-2010, 06:21 PM	#21
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote: Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there. Its easymode loot is fine. The bracelets are one of the best for the slot and the BPs are good enough for the challenge and allow you to kill the hardest version of him which will get you the upgraded BPs. __________________

08-26-2010, 08:12 PM	#22
Lantis Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 943	Gaige wrote: Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote: Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there. Its easymode loot is fine. The bracelets are one of the best for the slot and the BPs are good enough for the challenge and allow you to kill the hardest version of him which will get you the upgraded BPs. Here's an example of what I meant: http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...097a683420993fe upgraded to: http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...ccf67b631b2cf29 The difference between the two is minimal. __________________ RosterMaster Stand Alone - EQ2 Guild Roster tool

08-26-2010, 08:20 PM	#23
Morghus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,105	Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote: Gaige wrote: Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote: Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there. Its easymode loot is fine. The bracelets are one of the best for the slot and the BPs are good enough for the challenge and allow you to kill the hardest version of him which will get you the upgraded BPs. Here's an example of what I meant: http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...097a683420993fe upgraded to: http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...ccf67b631b2cf29 The difference between the two is minimal. I don't see what the big deal is. All T1 - T2 upgrades are similar. http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...419987ed85bd5a6 http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...3a60231fd1fc359

08-26-2010, 08:31 PM	#24
Lantis Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 943	Morghus wrote: Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote: Here's an example of what I meant: http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...097a683420993fe upgraded to: http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...ccf67b631b2cf29 The difference between the two is minimal. I don't see what the big deal is. All T1 - T2 upgrades are similar. http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...419987ed85bd5a6 http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...3a60231fd1fc359 It's the progression rate. The difference between the two is so minimal, that you might as well have skipped them, and jumped right at the next level of itemization progression. __________________ RosterMaster Stand Alone - EQ2 Guild Roster tool

08-27-2010, 01:56 AM	#25
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	T1 and T2 is all easymode loot though. __________________

08-27-2010, 02:06 AM	#26
Gormak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 199	Gaige wrote: T1 and T2 is all easymode loot though. I agree here. If outside of the reported changes to 4R-RT gear, i might support someone coming forward and suggesting for a greater jump in benefit from going from T2 to T3 gear across the board. But the easy mode loot is perfectly fine TBH. Personally im actually finding most (not all) of the T3 armor/clothing pieces dont offer the same net gain the player gets when they upgrade from an "easy mode" jewlery/accessory slot to a hard mode jewlery/accessory. The gains to be seen on those are tangible and significant. The T3 armorpieces, generally not so much.

08-27-2010, 02:26 AM	#27
Syndarin Server: Unrest Guild: Equilibrium Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 104	You added 5 crit mit and stigmatic frenzy 3 to everything. SWEET UPGRADE >_> __________________

08-27-2010, 02:39 AM	#28
Morghus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,105	Lol the Archaic has no ability mod, no reuse and doesn't appear to have Stigmatic Frenzy at all which would make the summoner version which also does not have ability mod better for all mages. If that doesn't change I see most mages wearing the Baleful robe and pants and Archaic everything else.

08-27-2010, 03:22 AM	#29
Syndarin Server: Unrest Guild: Equilibrium Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 104	Seriously? Didn't even throw on stigmatic frenzy. __________________

08-27-2010, 11:43 AM	#30
Alfeo Lord Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 86	I'm curious, the wording on stigmatic frenzy says it casts the buff on the target of spell cast. The only stig frenzy item I knew of before they were added to the t3 chests was the healer shield off Hoaarastus in the hole and I've not gotten to test that but I'm wondering how this proc is gonna work for tanks/dps.