/camp character not working for hidden characters

TheSpin · 08-18-2010, 03:57 PM

So I tried to swap over to my 'main' 90 brigand, and got the message that I could not because my account had too many characters.

I will likely cancel in a weeks time if this change isn't reverted. Say what you will about the intended design of the game, but when something is 'broken' for years to the benefit of the paying customers you can't just change it without notice. Other broken mechanics are actually celebrated, such as the ability to 'break out' of your house and build all over an entire zone.

It wasn't even part of the patch notes and its use has been widely known and used. Even if I was going to be ok with this change, its important to know about it so I could have made sure the 7 characters listed were the ones I actually wanted. Right now I have 2 dirges showing and neither of my level 90 characters are available for play.

I've actually supported all these new changes more than most with the UI, Spell changes, and even EQ2X, but this one is gamebreaking for me.

Deson · 08-18-2010, 03:59 PM

TheSpin wrote:

So I tried to swap over to my 'main' 90 brigand, and got the message that I could not because my account had too many characters.
I will likely cancel in a weeks time if this change isn't reverted. Say what you will about the intended design of the game, but when something is 'broken' for years to the benefit of the paying customers you can't just change it without notice. Other broken mechanics are actually celebrated, such as the ability to 'break out' of your house and build all over an entire zone.
It wasn't even part of the patch notes and its use has been widely known and used. Even if I was going to be ok with this change, its important to know about it so I could have made sure the 7 characters listed were the ones I actually wanted. Right now I have 2 dirges showing and neither of my level 90 characters are available for play.
I've actually supported all these new changes more than most with the UI, Spell changes, and even EQ2X, but this one is gamebreaking for me.

This.

We've also been asking for the ability to buy more character slots for years so to fix this without offering that as a ready option is terrible.

Elorah · 08-18-2010, 04:03 PM

Not to be rude or anything, but when I downgraded, I deleted my extra characters as I was always afraid that it was an exploit...

Te'ana · 08-18-2010, 04:04 PM

I would suggest doing a petition and asking for the characters you want most to be made available. Otherwise you could get Station Access for a month and order them yourself before going back to a standard subscription.

HaCkHaCkER · 08-18-2010, 04:04 PM

just delete one of your alts then, and get in compliance. quit complaining you dont get broken mechanics for free.

Barx · 08-18-2010, 04:07 PM

Not surprising in the least. With EQ2X coming out they had a big incentive to fix it. People that use bugs like that do so at their own risk, now you got stuck. You can probably either delete enough alts to get down to your limit, upgrade to SA if you really need them, or wait and hope that they put in more slots as a multi-month sub reward.

TheSpin · 08-18-2010, 04:08 PM

I appreciate that some of you never used this unintended feature. However, It doesn't mean it's not gamebreaking for me and probably many other players.

SnoesieQ · 08-18-2010, 04:11 PM

There is a reason character were not removed when downgrading from SA to standard.

If people have put time into leveling their characters they do not want to delete them. If they upgrade again, they want them to be there and not have to reroll. Apparantly SOE agrees to this or they would have forced a delete before.

This was not done to punish people or the would have fixed this ages ago, this was implemented for the new membership plans on Extended.

It should have been documented ahead of time so people had a chance to log to the characters they wanted to keep active.

Deson · 08-18-2010, 04:14 PM

Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Not surprising in the least. With EQ2X coming out they had a big incentive to fix it. People that use bugs like that do so at their own risk, now you got stuck. You can probably either delete enough alts to get down to your limit, upgrade to SA if you really need them, or wait and hope that they put in more slots as a multi-month sub reward.

While true,many of us were already well invested when they did the double station pass price increase that made it impractical. Given we've been asking for years for an option to do it legitly as it's been an open secret, they could have done the courtesy of either warning us or presenting an actual option that doesn't involve getting taken for an extra $15 a month when all you want to do is play EQ2.

Andok · 08-18-2010, 04:18 PM

So now it's gamebreaking to not be able to steal? LOL!

CoLD MeTaL · 08-18-2010, 04:30 PM

You can hand edit the ini file of the account to change what characters are available.

urgthock · 08-18-2010, 04:50 PM

TheSpin wrote:

I appreciate that some of you never used this unintended feature. However, It doesn't mean it's not gamebreaking for me and probably many other players.

So what you are really saying is that you want the main benefit of having Station Access without having to actually pay for station access and if Sony does not acquiesce to your demand, this will become a "gamebreaking" issue for you.

I would say more but I am sure it would be against the forum rules so I will simply end with... /fail.

Xill · 08-18-2010, 04:54 PM

TheSpin wrote:

I appreciate that some of you never used this unintended feature. However, It doesn't mean it's not gamebreaking for me and probably many other players.

Btw... welcome to the party. Many of us feel that alot of these recent changes are "Gamebreaking" and we have legit complaints against it.

Eritius · 08-18-2010, 04:55 PM

It was an exploit to have 12 characters on a 7 character account. Could be worse, they could have banned the offenders instead.

TheSpin · 08-18-2010, 04:57 PM

Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:

It was an exploit to have 12 characters on a 7 character account. Could be worse, they could have banned the offenders instead.

It's an exploit to build all over Gfay because you have a house in Kelethin.... but go check out the Norrathian Homeshow. At least I never posted screenies of my exploit.

Kordran · 08-18-2010, 04:59 PM

TheSpin wrote:

I appreciate that some of you never used this unintended feature. However, It doesn't mean it's not gamebreaking for me and probably many other players.

Edit: It looks like this was something that was indeed condoned by SOE technical support staff, so I was wrong to call it an exploit. And unfortunately, they didn't give any warning that they were changing policy on this and would make those characters unavailable.

Barx · 08-18-2010, 05:03 PM

TheSpin wrote:

Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:
It was an exploit to have 12 characters on a 7 character account. Could be worse, they could have banned the offenders instead.
It's an exploit to build all over Gfay because you have a house in Kelethin.... but go check out the Norrathian Homeshow. At least I never posted screenies of my exploit.

Actually they've passively condoned doing that. They said while they have no plans to make it easy for folks to do, they are not going to be changing it so that people cannot do it either.

They never said they were going to let people keep having extra characters, not that I've ever seen.

It's also an issue of cost. A player building outside the normal home space adds no cost to them. A player with extra characters takes up more space and potentially removes one of the benefits of station access (for EQ2 Live) or the higher priced plans (for EQ2X, which is likely the real source of the nerf/fix).

Eritius · 08-18-2010, 05:10 PM

TheSpin wrote:

Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:
It was an exploit to have 12 characters on a 7 character account. Could be worse, they could have banned the offenders instead.
It's an exploit to build all over Gfay because you have a house in Kelethin.... but go check out the Norrathian Homeshow. At least I never posted screenies of my exploit.

Yeah but guess what? In GU57, they can still build there. Yet you can no longer have more then 7 toons on a standard account. Definition of exploit: "Whatever SOE wants to call an exploit." SOE calls having more then 7 toons an exploit, thats the bottom line there.

Sorry you signed the EULA saying you agree. If you don't, the cancel button is over there. Send your voice that way, the forums are just going you get you rediculed.

TheSpin · 08-18-2010, 05:11 PM

Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:

TheSpin wrote:
Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:
It was an exploit to have 12 characters on a 7 character account. Could be worse, they could have banned the offenders instead.
It's an exploit to build all over Gfay because you have a house in Kelethin.... but go check out the Norrathian Homeshow. At least I never posted screenies of my exploit.
Actually they've passively condoned doing that. They said while they have no plans to make it easy for folks to do, they are not going to be changing it so that people cannot do it either.
They never said they were going to let people keep having extra characters, not that I've ever seen.
It's also an issue of cost. A player building outside the normal home space adds no cost to them. A player with extra characters takes up more space and potentially removes one of the benefits of station access (for EQ2 Live) or the higher priced plans (for EQ2X, which is likely the real source of the nerf/fix).

This character thing was passively condoned in the past too. Lookin for the post.

You can't tell me that building over an entire zone isn't a bigger drain than building only within your own home anyway.

Barx · 08-18-2010, 05:15 PM

TheSpin wrote:

This character thing was passively condoned in the past too. Lookin for the post.
You can't tell me that building over an entire zone isn't a bigger drain than building only within your own home anyway.

It isn't. The geometry is already there, that's why people can build on it in the first place. It's not something new that the server has to run, it was there all along. The only difference in load might be on a player's client, not the server, simply because there aren't split rendering areas outside like there are in houses. In contrast, a new character is instantly more data on the database servers.

TheSpin · 08-18-2010, 05:24 PM

If data usage is the real issue... how the heck can they afford the eq2x servers where everyone in the world can make a character. Really I'm not here to debate the issue. I've said my piece, and will be another lost account to this GU if this remains.

Silverpaws · 08-18-2010, 05:46 PM

If you dont pay for 12 toons, you can't use 12 toons. Not rocket science.

Luag · 08-18-2010, 05:54 PM

to the unnecessarily high and mighty posters that don't know what they are talking about

we were instructed to operate in this way with hidden characters after downgrading, it was never an explot

as posted here by sony staff over 2 years ago

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=419983

here is another posting by a SOE employee explaining how to camp to hidden characters

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=352537

this post is from 3 years ago

I have followed these instructions without any fear of "exploiting" sony, because I was not

what people in this game seem to forget is station access is not for additional character slots, that's just am additional bonus, station access is a higher priced sub that gives you access to all of SOE's online games.

this nonsense about "Stealing" is just that

sliping this change in without even making mention of it in the notes is not helpful, we could have at least deleted toons or reordered them if this change was unavoidable

please add some solutions to this thread, the INI file edit was a good attempt, it however does not change the message you get from the server when you try to log in

TheSpin · 08-18-2010, 06:14 PM

Thanks Luag. I knew there was some red names condoning this practice somewhere.

Crismorn · 08-18-2010, 06:16 PM

Did you try to delete some characters that show up in order to access your main?

Vitriol · 08-18-2010, 06:16 PM

Will this affect toons you made when you had a station account and dropped to regular, or just ones made the way of the server crash bug?

Because I'm going to be rather [Removed for Content] off if I can't log my 90 jeweler in...

Eveningsong · 08-18-2010, 06:18 PM

If you have a basic subscription, you'll only be able to access the first 7 toons on your character list. I believe it bases the list on order when toons were last accessed, not when they were created.

TheSpin · 08-18-2010, 06:20 PM

Vitriol@Splitpaw wrote:

Will this affect toons you made when you had a station account and dropped to regular, or just ones made the way of the server crash bug?
Because I'm going to be rather [Removed for Content] off if I can't log my 90 jeweler in...

From what I can tell, it doesn't matter if you ever had station access or not. Your jewelers gone until this is changed or you delete another character.

Crismorn - I would have to delete a 74 character in order to bring up another. Not really something I am willing to do.

Vitriol · 08-18-2010, 06:23 PM

That's what I mean though, she's not shown on the most recent 7 list yet she's my original EQ2 character - I am not deleting 2 lvl 80+, 4 lvl 90 toons and my new project toon just to be able to access stuff on my account which I have been able to access since I opened my account.

This is an absolutely insane change for people who have extra toons in a genuine manner.

Luag · 08-18-2010, 06:23 PM

Vitriol@Splitpaw wrote:

Will this affect toons you made when you had a station account and dropped to regular, or just ones made the way of the server crash bug?
Because I'm going to be rather [Removed for Content] off if I can't log my 90 jeweler in...

we can expect your next post to be filled with your namesake

I would be happy to transfer some of these "extra" characters to another account if they could make some method available to do it, as of now because I can't switch to them, I can't empty their mailboxes and brokers to make them transferable, can we please get some commentary by a red name here?

08-18-2010, 03:59 PM	#2
Deson Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	TheSpin wrote: So I tried to swap over to my 'main' 90 brigand, and got the message that I could not because my account had too many characters. I will likely cancel in a weeks time if this change isn't reverted. Say what you will about the intended design of the game, but when something is 'broken' for years to the benefit of the paying customers you can't just change it without notice. Other broken mechanics are actually celebrated, such as the ability to 'break out' of your house and build all over an entire zone. It wasn't even part of the patch notes and its use has been widely known and used. Even if I was going to be ok with this change, its important to know about it so I could have made sure the 7 characters listed were the ones I actually wanted. Right now I have 2 dirges showing and neither of my level 90 characters are available for play. I've actually supported all these new changes more than most with the UI, Spell changes, and even EQ2X, but this one is gamebreaking for me. This. We've also been asking for the ability to buy more character slots for years so to fix this without offering that as a ready option is terrible. __________________ I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom. I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break...

08-18-2010, 04:03 PM	#3
Elorah Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,200	Not to be rude or anything, but when I downgraded, I deleted my extra characters as I was always afraid that it was an exploit... __________________

08-18-2010, 04:14 PM	#9
Deson Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote: Not surprising in the least. With EQ2X coming out they had a big incentive to fix it. People that use bugs like that do so at their own risk, now you got stuck. You can probably either delete enough alts to get down to your limit, upgrade to SA if you really need them, or wait and hope that they put in more slots as a multi-month sub reward. While true,many of us were already well invested when they did the double station pass price increase that made it impractical. Given we've been asking for years for an option to do it legitly as it's been an open secret, they could have done the courtesy of either warning us or presenting an actual option that doesn't involve getting taken for an extra $15 a month when all you want to do is play EQ2. __________________ I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom. I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break...

08-18-2010, 04:30 PM	#11
CoLD MeTaL Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,217	You can hand edit the ini file of the account to change what characters are available. __________________

08-18-2010, 04:50 PM	#12
urgthock Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Houston, TX. Posts: 1,308	TheSpin wrote: I appreciate that some of you never used this unintended feature. However, It doesn't mean it's not gamebreaking for me and probably many other players. So what you are really saying is that you want the main benefit of having Station Access without having to actually pay for station access and if Sony does not acquiesce to your demand, this will become a "gamebreaking" issue for you. I would say more but I am sure it would be against the forum rules so I will simply end with... /fail.

08-18-2010, 03:57 PM	#1
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	So I tried to swap over to my 'main' 90 brigand, and got the message that I could not because my account had too many characters. I will likely cancel in a weeks time if this change isn't reverted. Say what you will about the intended design of the game, but when something is 'broken' for years to the benefit of the paying customers you can't just change it without notice. Other broken mechanics are actually celebrated, such as the ability to 'break out' of your house and build all over an entire zone. It wasn't even part of the patch notes and its use has been widely known and used. Even if I was going to be ok with this change, its important to know about it so I could have made sure the 7 characters listed were the ones I actually wanted. Right now I have 2 dirges showing and neither of my level 90 characters are available for play. I've actually supported all these new changes more than most with the UI, Spell changes, and even EQ2X, but this one is gamebreaking for me.

08-18-2010, 04:04 PM	#4
Te'ana Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	I would suggest doing a petition and asking for the characters you want most to be made available. Otherwise you could get Station Access for a month and order them yourself before going back to a standard subscription.

08-18-2010, 04:04 PM	#5
HaCkHaCkER Tester Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: PST Posts: 172	just delete one of your alts then, and get in compliance. quit complaining you dont get broken mechanics for free.

08-18-2010, 04:07 PM	#6
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	Not surprising in the least. With EQ2X coming out they had a big incentive to fix it. People that use bugs like that do so at their own risk, now you got stuck. You can probably either delete enough alts to get down to your limit, upgrade to SA if you really need them, or wait and hope that they put in more slots as a multi-month sub reward.

08-18-2010, 04:08 PM	#7
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	I appreciate that some of you never used this unintended feature. However, It doesn't mean it's not gamebreaking for me and probably many other players.

08-18-2010, 04:11 PM	#8
SnoesieQ Tester Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 323	There is a reason character were not removed when downgrading from SA to standard. If people have put time into leveling their characters they do not want to delete them. If they upgrade again, they want them to be there and not have to reroll. Apparantly SOE agrees to this or they would have forced a delete before. This was not done to punish people or the would have fixed this ages ago, this was implemented for the new membership plans on Extended. It should have been documented ahead of time so people had a chance to log to the characters they wanted to keep active.

08-18-2010, 04:18 PM	#10
Andok Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,039	So now it's gamebreaking to not be able to steal? LOL!

08-18-2010, 04:54 PM	#13
Xill Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 318	TheSpin wrote: I appreciate that some of you never used this unintended feature. However, It doesn't mean it's not gamebreaking for me and probably many other players. Btw... welcome to the party. Many of us feel that alot of these recent changes are "Gamebreaking" and we have legit complaints against it.

08-18-2010, 04:55 PM	#14
Eritius Server: Lucan DLere Guild: Fate by Blood Rank: Commander Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 759	It was an exploit to have 12 characters on a 7 character account. Could be worse, they could have banned the offenders instead.

08-18-2010, 04:57 PM	#15
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote: It was an exploit to have 12 characters on a 7 character account. Could be worse, they could have banned the offenders instead. It's an exploit to build all over Gfay because you have a house in Kelethin.... but go check out the Norrathian Homeshow. At least I never posted screenies of my exploit.

08-18-2010, 04:59 PM	#16
Kordran Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,484	TheSpin wrote: I appreciate that some of you never used this unintended feature. However, It doesn't mean it's not gamebreaking for me and probably many other players. Edit: It looks like this was something that was indeed condoned by SOE technical support staff, so I was wrong to call it an exploit. And unfortunately, they didn't give any warning that they were changing policy on this and would make those characters unavailable. __________________

08-18-2010, 05:03 PM	#17
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	TheSpin wrote: Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote: It was an exploit to have 12 characters on a 7 character account. Could be worse, they could have banned the offenders instead. It's an exploit to build all over Gfay because you have a house in Kelethin.... but go check out the Norrathian Homeshow. At least I never posted screenies of my exploit. Actually they've passively condoned doing that. They said while they have no plans to make it easy for folks to do, they are not going to be changing it so that people cannot do it either. They never said they were going to let people keep having extra characters, not that I've ever seen. It's also an issue of cost. A player building outside the normal home space adds no cost to them. A player with extra characters takes up more space and potentially removes one of the benefits of station access (for EQ2 Live) or the higher priced plans (for EQ2X, which is likely the real source of the nerf/fix).

08-18-2010, 05:10 PM	#18
Eritius Server: Lucan DLere Guild: Fate by Blood Rank: Commander Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 759	TheSpin wrote: Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote: It was an exploit to have 12 characters on a 7 character account. Could be worse, they could have banned the offenders instead. It's an exploit to build all over Gfay because you have a house in Kelethin.... but go check out the Norrathian Homeshow. At least I never posted screenies of my exploit. Yeah but guess what? In GU57, they can still build there. Yet you can no longer have more then 7 toons on a standard account. Definition of exploit: "Whatever SOE wants to call an exploit." SOE calls having more then 7 toons an exploit, thats the bottom line there. Sorry you signed the EULA saying you agree. If you don't, the cancel button is over there. Send your voice that way, the forums are just going you get you rediculed.

08-18-2010, 05:11 PM	#19
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote: TheSpin wrote: Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote: It was an exploit to have 12 characters on a 7 character account. Could be worse, they could have banned the offenders instead. It's an exploit to build all over Gfay because you have a house in Kelethin.... but go check out the Norrathian Homeshow. At least I never posted screenies of my exploit. Actually they've passively condoned doing that. They said while they have no plans to make it easy for folks to do, they are not going to be changing it so that people cannot do it either. They never said they were going to let people keep having extra characters, not that I've ever seen. It's also an issue of cost. A player building outside the normal home space adds no cost to them. A player with extra characters takes up more space and potentially removes one of the benefits of station access (for EQ2 Live) or the higher priced plans (for EQ2X, which is likely the real source of the nerf/fix). This character thing was passively condoned in the past too. Lookin for the post. You can't tell me that building over an entire zone isn't a bigger drain than building only within your own home anyway.

08-18-2010, 05:15 PM	#20
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	TheSpin wrote: This character thing was passively condoned in the past too. Lookin for the post. You can't tell me that building over an entire zone isn't a bigger drain than building only within your own home anyway. It isn't. The geometry is already there, that's why people can build on it in the first place. It's not something new that the server has to run, it was there all along. The only difference in load might be on a player's client, not the server, simply because there aren't split rendering areas outside like there are in houses. In contrast, a new character is instantly more data on the database servers.

08-18-2010, 05:24 PM	#21
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	If data usage is the real issue... how the heck can they afford the eq2x servers where everyone in the world can make a character. Really I'm not here to debate the issue. I've said my piece, and will be another lost account to this GU if this remains.

08-18-2010, 05:46 PM	#22
Silverpaws Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 313	If you dont pay for 12 toons, you can't use 12 toons. Not rocket science. __________________

08-18-2010, 05:54 PM	#23
Luag Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 207	to the unnecessarily high and mighty posters that don't know what they are talking about we were instructed to operate in this way with hidden characters after downgrading, it was never an explot as posted here by sony staff over 2 years ago http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=419983 here is another posting by a SOE employee explaining how to camp to hidden characters http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=352537 this post is from 3 years ago I have followed these instructions without any fear of "exploiting" sony, because I was not what people in this game seem to forget is station access is not for additional character slots, that's just am additional bonus, station access is a higher priced sub that gives you access to all of SOE's online games. this nonsense about "Stealing" is just that sliping this change in without even making mention of it in the notes is not helpful, we could have at least deleted toons or reordered them if this change was unavoidable please add some solutions to this thread, the INI file edit was a good attempt, it however does not change the message you get from the server when you try to log in

08-18-2010, 06:14 PM	#24
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	Thanks Luag. I knew there was some red names condoning this practice somewhere.

08-18-2010, 06:16 PM	#25
Crismorn Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,840	Did you try to delete some characters that show up in order to access your main?

08-18-2010, 06:16 PM	#26
Vitriol Server: Splitpaw Guild: Knights of the White Shield Rank: Initiate Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 320	Will this affect toons you made when you had a station account and dropped to regular, or just ones made the way of the server crash bug? Because I'm going to be rather [Removed for Content] off if I can't log my 90 jeweler in...

08-18-2010, 06:18 PM	#27
Eveningsong Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,844	If you have a basic subscription, you'll only be able to access the first 7 toons on your character list. I believe it bases the list on order when toons were last accessed, not when they were created.

08-18-2010, 06:20 PM	#28
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	Vitriol@Splitpaw wrote: Will this affect toons you made when you had a station account and dropped to regular, or just ones made the way of the server crash bug? Because I'm going to be rather [Removed for Content] off if I can't log my 90 jeweler in... From what I can tell, it doesn't matter if you ever had station access or not. Your jewelers gone until this is changed or you delete another character. Crismorn - I would have to delete a 74 character in order to bring up another. Not really something I am willing to do.

08-18-2010, 06:23 PM	#29
Vitriol Server: Splitpaw Guild: Knights of the White Shield Rank: Initiate Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 320	That's what I mean though, she's not shown on the most recent 7 list yet she's my original EQ2 character - I am not deleting 2 lvl 80+, 4 lvl 90 toons and my new project toon just to be able to access stuff on my account which I have been able to access since I opened my account. This is an absolutely insane change for people who have extra toons in a genuine manner.