is there are cap on avoidance?

[Mosha D'Khan]

k for the past few weeks i have been trying to get my contested avoidance up as high is a can but i cant seem to get higher than around 92%..... is that the cap for avoidance with out using our 100% stuff or can it go higher? in the my raid last night i was up in the 23300 range and noticed when i use our parry buff it goes to like 26000 (i think) any way i can get that last few points in or not?

would love to hit 100% avoidance with out the buffs, with the strike through immunity now it would be rather sick

[circusgirl]

If you were able to reach 70% block, 70% defense, and 70% parry you would have a contested avoidance of 97.3%.

It works out like this:

You parry 70% of incoming attacks.  30% of attacks go on to block

You block 70% of those 30% of attacks.  .7*30=21% of additional attacks blocked.  9% of attacks go through to defense

You dodge 70% of those 9% of attacks.  .7*9=6.3% of attacks dodged

Total avoidance: 70+21+6.3=97.3% avoidance.

It's worth noting, however, that you will not actually avoid that many incoming attacks unless you are fighting an even conned solo mob.  Anything higher then that and your opponents weapon skill will effectively lower your avoidance.

[JoarAddam]

Are you saying parry is calculated first?  doesn't that make parry like the most important thing ever?

[Boli32]

Not in raids.

[Gilasil]

Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote

It's worth noting, however, that you will not actually avoid that many incoming attacks unless you are fighting an even conned solo mob.  Anything higher then that and your opponents weapon skill will effectively lower your avoidance.

Is my opponents weapon skill compared against any skill of mine?  I.e. is there a skill of mine which I can raise to bring that block up to 93%?  For example, if it's compared against defense, can I regain that avoidance by raising my defense to a very high level?

[Silzin]

See the Avoidance FAQ on the General fighter bords, it talks all about how this stuff works and does a vary good job it it. http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=472979

[BChizzle]

The cap on avoidance is 100%, you cannot avoid more then 100% of mobs hits.

[Mosha D'Khan]

BChizzle wrote:

The cap on avoidance is 100%, you cannot avoid more then 100% of mobs hits.

see this is why we fight all the time, you did not read what i asked. i asked can you get to 100% avoidance with out using parry abilities, and that was answered for me. then you come in here trying to be a smart *** and tell me i cant avoid more than 100% of attacks which i already knew.

Thanks Vinka for explaining how it works.

[BChizzle]

Mosha DKhan wrote:

see this is why we fight all the time, you did not read what i asked. i asked can you get to 100% avoidance with out using parry abilities, and that was answered for me. then you come in here trying to be a smart *** and tell me i cant avoid more than 100% of attacks which i already knew.

Thanks Vinka for explaining how it works.

Except for the fact that you can get to 100% avoid without using just parry abilities.

[Mosha D'Khan]

BChizzle wrote:

Mosha DKhan wrote:

see this is why we fight all the time, you did not read what i asked. i asked can you get to 100% avoidance with out using parry abilities, and that was answered for me. then you come in here trying to be a smart *** and tell me i cant avoid more than 100% of attacks which i already knew.

Thanks Vinka for explaining how it works.

Except for the fact that you can get to 100% avoid without using just parry abilities.

then pls explain how because either you are vinka is wrong, dont just comin in a post and try and derail it with a fight. any info would be great.

[BChizzle]

Mosha DKhan wrote:

then pls explain how because either you are vinka is wrong, dont just comin in a post and try and derail it with a fight. any info would be great

For example I can use a BLOCK ability and get 100% avoidance, it isn't based on parry abilities.

[Mosha D'Khan]

BChizzle wrote:

Mosha DKhan wrote:

then pls explain how because either you are vinka is wrong, dont just comin in a post and try and derail it with a fight. any info would be great

For example I can use a BLOCK ability and get 100% avoidance, it isn't based on parry abilities.

OMG!!!! parry ability/block ability same difference..... you knew what i ment. you just cause problems, that is all you are good at. but since i have to say it so simply that even you small brain can understand it i will.

With using only +parry/deflection/block chance/ect (from gear and AA stuff), is it possible to get a 100% contested avoidance. this means no abilities to send it to 100% and crap. if there is a way can you pls explain how, other wise pls dont respond at all and i will know the answer

[BChizzle]

Mosha DKhan wrote:

OMG!!!! parry ability/block ability same difference..... you knew what i ment. you just cause problems, that is all you are good at. but since i have to say it so simply that even you small brain can understand it i will.

With using only +parry/deflection/block chance/ect (from gear and AA stuff), is it possible to get a 100% contested avoidance. this means no abilities to send it to 100% and crap. if there is a way can you pls explain how, other wise pls dont respond at all and i will know the answer

No need to nerd rage all over the place because you can't ask a question properly.  Sit back and settle down, chill with the !!! all over the place and the name calling.

Vinka's calculations are incorrect for one she doesn't take into account riposte chance which checks before parry.  For two she assumes we are talking about an even level and above mob when it has clearly been stated by devs that your avoidance jumps significantly on on lower levels mobs.

[Ocello]

BChizzle wrote:

Mosha DKhan wrote:

OMG!!!! parry ability/block ability same difference..... you knew what i ment. you just cause problems, that is all you are good at. but since i have to say it so simply that even you small brain can understand it i will.

With using only +parry/deflection/block chance/ect (from gear and AA stuff), is it possible to get a 100% contested avoidance. this means no abilities to send it to 100% and crap. if there is a way can you pls explain how, other wise pls dont respond at all and i will know the answer

No need to nerd rage all over the place because you can't ask a question properly.  Sit back and settle down, chill with the !!! all over the place and the name calling.

Vinka's calculations are incorrect for one she doesn't take into account riposte chance which checks before parry.  For two she assumes we are talking about an even level and above mob when it has clearly been stated by devs that your avoidance jumps significantly on on lower levels mobs.

I thought a riposte was first a parried attack which then rolls as a parry?

[Mosha D'Khan]

BChizzle wrote:

Mosha DKhan wrote:

OMG!!!! parry ability/block ability same difference..... you knew what i ment. you just cause problems, that is all you are good at. but since i have to say it so simply that even you small brain can understand it i will.

With using only +parry/deflection/block chance/ect (from gear and AA stuff), is it possible to get a 100% contested avoidance. this means no abilities to send it to 100% and crap. if there is a way can you pls explain how, other wise pls dont respond at all and i will know the answer

No need to nerd rage all over the place because you can't ask a question properly.  Sit back and settle down, chill with the !!! all over the place and the name calling.

Vinka's calculations are incorrect for one she doesn't take into account riposte chance which checks before parry.  For two she assumes we are talking about an even level and above mob when it has clearly been stated by devs that your avoidance jumps significantly on on lower levels mobs.

bchizzle it is funny because you tell me not to rage all the time and the only one who could not get what i was asking was you..... go figure. the only one that fights with me is .... you..... go figure. the only one who tells me i am wrong for the most part is ....... you .... go figure. so before you start with the dont rage and calm down just dont post. and yes a repost is a parry. it is rolled as a parry first then if you do get the parry you have a chance to repost. comes from the fencing term/saying "parry repost". means you block the attack and follow up with one of your own.

[BChizzle]

Mosha DKhan wrote:

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Wrong again riposte chance is a completely different mechanic then parry,.  TBH I am done with you, it is a waste of my time to to try and teach the ABC's of this game to someone who is incapable of listening.

[Mosha D'Khan]

BChizzle wrote:

Mosha DKhan wrote:

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Wrong again riposte chance is a completely different mechanic then parry,.  TBH I am done with you, it is a waste of my time to to try and teach the ABC's of this game to someone who is incapable of listening.

hey noob "Parry: This gives you a chance to ward off a physical attack. This raises your parry roll chance, which has a chance of being a riposte that counterstrikes the attacker.". this is straight off eq2.wikia.com site. so guess they are wrong too.

http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Skills

that is the link. so tell me again who is wrong.... me and wikia or you.... yet again you start a fight and lose, just go back to you monk forums

[Mosha D'Khan]

Oh yeah!!! even better post. this is from a dev http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...5070183#5070183 read the top post, and just shut it. lol this says you do parry and then based off it is the riposte.... so now who is teaching the ABCs?

[BChizzle]

lol someone else teach this guy a lesson.  He isn't worth my time.

[Mosha D'Khan]

WoW.... lol even when i back my stuff up with a dev saying how it works you still think i am wrong lol. you are sad, sorry but you are wrong just accept it. stop starting fights with me and stop telling everyone that you are all that and know everything because you dont. i just proved you wrong so just get over it, i know what i am talking about so the fact that you are saying i dont and then just raging out of the forums is sad.

your welcome for how riposte works bchizzle, now you know and maybe you will think twice before say people are wrong.

[BChizzle]

Mosha DKhan wrote:

WoW.... lol even when i back my stuff up with a dev saying how it works you still think i am wrong lol. you are sad, sorry but you are wrong just accept it. stop starting fights with me and stop telling everyone that you are all that and know everything because you dont. i just proved you wrong so just get over it, i know what i am talking about so the fact that you are saying i dont and then just raging out of the forums is sad.

your welcome for how riposte works bchizzle, now you know and maybe you will think twice before say people are wrong.

It is funny to me how confidently wrong you are.

[Mosha D'Khan]

so wait, let me get this right. i said a riposte is triggered off of a parry, even showed where a Dev said it was that way and you think i am wrong and you are right? what are you smoking lol. but think what you want, i have proven my point and my statement right and all you are doing is telling me i dont know the game, but think what ever you want. go back to your noobness and have fun being wrong. i dont know to get it through to you since you are incapable of learning and seeing you are wrong. but what ever and like i said go back to your noobness/supposable uber raiding and all knowing lol.

grats on being wrong and thinking you are right.

[BChizzle]

Mosha DKhan wrote:

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/yawn

[Silzin]

This is from the "Combat Mechanics and Player Progression" posted by Xelgad

"Riposte: There is a chance that any Parry will turn into a Riposte. A Riposte is a parry that also deals damage to the attacker. The base chance for a Parry to convert to a Riposte is 20%."

"Riposte Chance: This is an uncontested chance to riposte the target's attack. This is not to be confused with "Additional Riposte Chance.""

"Additional Riposte Chance: Additional Riposte Chance raises the percentage that your parries will become ripostes."

"Extra Riposte Chance: Riposte Chance is an uncontested chance to riposte an incoming attack."

Here we are able to see that the argument is not cut and dry, but there are 2 seprit "Riposte Chances"

[Mosha D'Khan]

Silzin wrote:

This is from the "Combat Mechanics and Player Progression" posted by Xelgad

"Riposte: There is a chance that any Parry will turn into a Riposte. A Riposte is a parry that also deals damage to the attacker. The base chance for a Parry to convert to a Riposte is 20%."

"Riposte Chance: This is an uncontested chance to riposte the target's attack. This is not to be confused with "Additional Riposte Chance.""

"Additional Riposte Chance: Additional Riposte Chance raises the percentage that your parries will become ripostes."

"Extra Riposte Chance: Riposte Chance is an uncontested chance to riposte an incoming attack."

Here we are able to see that the argument is not cut and dry, but there are 2 seprit "Riposte Chances"

agrument is cut and dry because i asked for contested avoidance, so riposte chance is off the list, and extra ripost chance is off the list.  so the contested things are riposte and addition riposte chance which both trigger off a parry and are not their own stat.  so Vinka is right on her statement and Bchizzle is wrong based off what i asked. so again unless there is anything/math done wrong that can be changed blah blah blah, can you get to 100% contested avoidance and i guess it is a no since Riposte is off a parry and is not its own stat.

End of forum (unless Vinka did the math wrong)

[Silzin]

osha DKhan wrote:

Silzin wrote:

This is from the "Combat Mechanics and Player Progression" posted by Xelgad

"Riposte: There is a chance that any Parry will turn into a Riposte. A Riposte is a parry that also deals damage to the attacker. The base chance for a Parry to convert to a Riposte is 20%."

"Riposte Chance: This is an uncontested chance to riposte the target's attack. This is not to be confused with "Additional Riposte Chance.""

"Additional Riposte Chance: Additional Riposte Chance raises the percentage that your parries will become ripostes."

"Extra Riposte Chance: Riposte Chance is an uncontested chance to riposte an incoming attack."

Here we are able to see that the argument is not cut and dry, but there are 2 seprit "Riposte Chances"

agrument is cut and dry because i asked for contested avoidance, so riposte chance is off the list, and extra ripost chance is off the list.  so the contested things are riposte and addition riposte chance which both trigger off a parry and are not their own stat.  so Vinka is right on her statement and Bchizzle is wrong based off what i asked. so again unless there is anything/math done wrong that can be changed blah blah blah, can you get to 100% contested avoidance and i guess it is a no since Riposte is off a parry and is not its own stat.

End of forum (unless Vinka did the math wrong)

Vinka's explination was VERY simplified.... look as his post  Avoidance FAQ and try to lurn about what you are talking about before you start arguing with people that resurch the game and know what they are talking about.

[Mosha D'Khan]

Silzin wrote:

osha DKhan wrote:

Silzin wrote:

This is from the "Combat Mechanics and Player Progression" posted by Xelgad

"Riposte: There is a chance that any Parry will turn into a Riposte. A Riposte is a parry that also deals damage to the attacker. The base chance for a Parry to convert to a Riposte is 20%."

"Riposte Chance: This is an uncontested chance to riposte the target's attack. This is not to be confused with "Additional Riposte Chance.""

"Additional Riposte Chance: Additional Riposte Chance raises the percentage that your parries will become ripostes."

"Extra Riposte Chance: Riposte Chance is an uncontested chance to riposte an incoming attack."

Here we are able to see that the argument is not cut and dry, but there are 2 seprit "Riposte Chances"

agrument is cut and dry because i asked for contested avoidance, so riposte chance is off the list, and extra ripost chance is off the list.  so the contested things are riposte and addition riposte chance which both trigger off a parry and are not their own stat.  so Vinka is right on her statement and Bchizzle is wrong based off what i asked. so again unless there is anything/math done wrong that can be changed blah blah blah, can you get to 100% contested avoidance and i guess it is a no since Riposte is off a parry and is not its own stat.

End of forum (unless Vinka did the math wrong)

Vinka's explination was VERY simplified.... look as his post  Avoidance FAQ and try to lurn about what you are talking about before you start arguing with people that resurch the game and know what they are talking about.

??? now i am confused, i listed to Vinka who has it right.... then Bchizzle says it is wrong and you tell him riposte is not its own stat, then me and him agrue about it for a while, ends up i/we are right about it not being its own stat and now you are telling me that i dont know what i am talking about even though i have it right? i dont get it.

Recap on everything on this forum so far just so we have things clear:

i ask if you can get 100% contested avoidance with out clicky abilities. Vinka responds and pretty much says no. Bchizzle comes in being a smart .... and then you tell Silzin says that riposte is not its own stat. i then back that up and Bchizzle agrues it. i post wikia facts and a Devs proving Silzin and I are right on the fact, so Vinka's math still shows that you cant get to 100%. then Silzen responds on my quote about "lurn what you are talking about before you say it, because people have taken time figureing it out"...... then i get lost because i have it right, i have it figured out and Bchizzle does not and is the one needing to figure it out.......

so will ask it one more time then i am done with the forum and sticking with Vinka's answer because they are the one who wrote the other forum.

Is Vinka's math right? if so then the anwser to my question is a no and we can get on with our lives. if is not right pls post the right math showing where they went wrong and lets end this (/cough "Bchizzle that does not mean come argue and derail the forum unless you are posting the math" /cough)

any info/anwser would be great, other wise dont bother to post, if there is no responce i will go with Vinka being right. Thanks alot

[Silzin]

Mosha D'Khan, sorry about getting mad and sorry confusing you. I think the problem i am having with your statments Mosha D'Khan is that your first assumption is that Temp buff is increasing your contested avoidance so you are not getting hit, and it probably isnt. As explained in the Avoidance FAQ there are alot more then 3 calculations in Avoidance and some of the uncontested avoidance checks calculate into your 23300 and 26000 avoidance numbers. On raid mobs you can almost ignore your contested avoidance since the raid mobs abilities are so high we cant hit them to make the contested portion of avoidance mater much. So I think a better first question would be more like can i get my uncontested avoidance up since the number for contested avoidance would change for each mob and there skill witch we cant see as players.

[Mosha D'Khan]

k going to have to change my question again i guess.

on and even con mob, can i get 100% contested avoidance with out using abilities? dont care about scaling dont care if there are uncontested facters i know all that. but can i get to 100% avoidance, if i remember Vinka's math was for that so i am going with no so with that fact again....

is the math right? if so just end the forum dont care about anything else, if it is not right pls some one post the right math so we can end this post, tired of the prolonging. sad that i posted this in May (to lazy to go look when i made it) i think and it is just now gettting talked to, so really dont care anymore.

[Aule]

Abilities that grant you additional avoidance aren't contested anyways so not sure what you're looking for. Parry block and dodge all have contested (skill comparisons) and uncontested versions. For contested defenses the cap is 70%. So no, it's not possible to have 100% contested avoidance. This is spelled out in the FAQ so not sure why we're addressing it again. You can get pretty darn close to 100% avoid, but there's no heroic zone hard enough to need it. 1000 blows come in, 700 get parried. 300 blows get by parry, 210 get blocked. 90 blows get by block, 63 get dodged. 37 blows hit, so your contested avoid prevented 96.3%, but wait! There's more! You also hbe another bruiser just as defensive as you avoiding 96.3% of 62% of the 37 blows that got through, or another 22 of them. Now only 15 got to you and you have a defensive spec'd dirge parrying for you too. Add in some uncontested avoid from shield ally and neck adorns and let's throw a wrist from SOH on everybody too just for good measure and you could probably get yourself down to less than 1 in 1000 hitting you. I know last night tanking in raids our wizard kept complaining that iceshield would have the 30s duration expire with 0-1 charges getting used.