Problem with Red adorns from raids and multiple accounts

Khurghan · 03-30-2010, 11:05 AM

I'm a hard-core raider with what some people deem "a lot" of accounts, on my "main" account I have not alts, zero, none.

Previously in TSO I could bid on rot gear for my alts by simply zoning them in (or to for contesteds) and looting items to them. In SF with the red adorn system looted (left side) raid gear is basically useless unless you can place red adorns in it.

Are there any (real) plans to be able to link accounts so people can transfer heirloom items etc between them? or should I cancel my other accounts as they are basically useless now?

Yimway · 03-30-2010, 11:50 AM

Khurghan wrote:

Are there any (real) plans to be able to link accounts so people can transfer heirloom items etc between them? or should I cancel my other accounts as they are basically useless now?

Yes cancel them, as they've stated linking was too hard.

Otherwise, they need to find a way to share these via guildbank or something.

Trevalon · 03-30-2010, 11:56 AM

I havent really kept up with SF as I have just returned and have been releveling with RL friends, but your saying that its basically useless to sell raid rots now?

If thats so then thank god. I thought that was the single worst thing about TSO was that raid loot could be bartered off or alts could get in and get the items.

But what do I know, Im also a firm believer that instances are the devil and every mob/raid should be 100% contested.

thog_zork · 03-30-2010, 12:05 PM

i also have multiple accounts... i thought the ability to pass the red adorments between accounts was inteded to adresse exatly this problem !

please do no change this unless you can do account linking (which is no in sight) so please leave this band aid in game

slippery · 03-30-2010, 12:57 PM

Please revert this change until you can link accounts so that people can give Red adorns to alts.

Chanson · 03-30-2010, 01:11 PM

Trevalon wrote:

I havent really kept up with SF as I have just returned and have been releveling with RL friends, but your saying that its basically useless to sell raid rots now?
If thats so then thank god. I thought that was the single worst thing about TSO was that raid loot could be bartered off or alts could get in and get the items.
But what do I know, Im also a firm believer that instances are the devil and every mob/raid should be 100% contested.

No, you can still sell raid rots. What's he's saying is that raid rots are useless without red adorns, and since red adorns are now heirloom, he has no way of giving red adorns to his alts on other accounts, thereby making raid rots useless.

vinere · 03-30-2010, 02:55 PM

nipxur wrote:

Trevalon wrote:
I havent really kept up with SF as I have just returned and have been releveling with RL friends, but your saying that its basically useless to sell raid rots now?
If thats so then thank god. I thought that was the single worst thing about TSO was that raid loot could be bartered off or alts could get in and get the items.
But what do I know, Im also a firm believer that instances are the devil and every mob/raid should be 100% contested.
No, you can still sell raid rots. What's he's saying is that raid rots are useless without red adorns, and since red adorns are now heirloom, he has no way of giving red adorns to his alts on other accounts, thereby making raid rots useless.

Or ask your guild to let u play that toon for the easy crap mobs. In 35 min you can get 5 seals from Tox + first named in labs..

Yimway · 03-30-2010, 04:46 PM

vinere wrote:

nipxur wrote:
No, you can still sell raid rots. What's he's saying is that raid rots are useless without red adorns, and since red adorns are now heirloom, he has no way of giving red adorns to his alts on other accounts, thereby making raid rots useless.
Or ask your guild to let u play that toon for the easy crap mobs. In 35 min you can get 5 seals from Tox + first named in labs..

To be honest, having a dozen+ raiders wanting to do this for an army of alts is going to go over like a lead balloon.

Splitpawratpack · 03-30-2010, 07:38 PM

This indeed is a horrible idea. No bloody way I'll keep paying for 5 accounts if it makes me practically impossible to gear them out with more than some generic loot that's worse than T8 equivalents due to the lack of possibility to adorn them.

Either make us able to link our accounts or remove the godforsaken heirloom tag - which is pretty f-ing useless anyway with the seals being heirloom and the most of the interesting ones being class specific. I sure don't have several toons on raidlevel of the same class on the same account and server, but it might just be me of course.

And yes, a no-trade tag would of course be just as useless.

You had a working system with generic drops leaving less stuff to rot - or sell if that's what you had in mind to prevent with this, since people tend to have alts enough to cover for 3 or 4 raid guilds (apart from leather classes perhaps, but ...) - in the long run. Don't screw it up. The gear will still be looted by alts or sold to less successful raiders that gets their seals from farming the first two nameds in Lair of the Dragon or whatever. The only ones that it screws over are the people who pay for 2 or even 5 or 6 accounts. Good thinking there ... really!

Xalmat · 03-30-2010, 07:44 PM

Atan@Unrest wrote:

To be honest, having a dozen+ raiders wanting to do this for an army of alts is going to go over like a lead balloon.

http://mythbustersresults.com/episode96

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSkM-QEeUg

The point does stand, though. This was a bad change for people with multiple accounts.

Gungo · 03-30-2010, 08:08 PM

Actually you couldnt buy class specific adornments with yoru main for your alt. You would need the same class in your guild to use thier shards to buy class specific adornments for your alt. Of course you could buy generic adornments with your main.

Regardless until accounts are linked which will take quite a while you can always move your alts to your main account. I dont think being able to sell adornments on the broker is intended. Unless SOE has some dramatic shift in policy and allows us to sell red adornments and raid loot on the broker.

Excalibur1 · 03-30-2010, 09:45 PM

Gungo wrote:

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Regardless until accounts are linked which will take quite a while you can always move your alts to your main account. I dont think being able to sell adornments on the broker is intended. Unless SOE has some dramatic shift in policy and allows us to sell red adornments and raid loot on the broker.

So you are suggesting that I pay SOE $50 to do what everyone else with one account can do for free? While at the same time I am already paying SOE at least $15 more per month in subscription fees? That just doesn't sound feasible.

thog_zork · 03-31-2010, 05:51 AM

completly unfair to multiple account users ... account linking is to hard so please leave the red adorns tradeable

Grabs · 03-31-2010, 05:53 AM

If SoE leaves this "As Is", they will be many rolling effects "In Game", including affecting their Bottom Line, as in less subscriptions.

Eventually, if Loot can not be used, or sold at a good price, no guild is going to stop and sell crap either for small fees, it is not worth the delays in the raid schedule, and that is only going to futher seperate the haves and have nots

This is a Spiral building up speed...

Kunaak · 03-31-2010, 06:03 AM

this most definatly needs to be addressed - theres no reason to make it impossible to get red adornments for your other toons on other accounts. I get that they dont like that people are trying to sell them on the broker - I agree, they shouldnt be so easily trivialized - but to basically make all SF raid armor useless to people with alts is extremely unfair.

Splitpawratpack · 03-31-2010, 07:56 AM

Gungo wrote:

Actually you couldnt buy class specific adornments with yoru main for your alt. You would need the same class in your guild to use thier shards to buy class specific adornments for your alt. Of course you could buy generic adornments with your main.
Regardless until accounts are linked which will take quite a while you can always move your alts to your main account. I dont think being able to sell adornments on the broker is intended. Unless SOE has some dramatic shift in policy and allows us to sell red adornments and raid loot on the broker.

One spot free on main account - roll a new toon of your alt's class, trade the heirloom seals plus the plat needed through shared bank, go buy the class specific adorn ... voíla!

And if you think I'd transfer four accounts worth of alts to one account, you really are riding the shortbus.

On top of that, I don't really see the problem with red adorns being sold on the broker, but if it really is that horrible, make up a no-broker tag then. Oh wait, we would still be able to sell them by trading ... oh my god. [sarcasm] It really would screw up the in-game economy, right? [/sarcasm]

SinIsLaw · 03-31-2010, 08:50 AM

tbh, soe should just dump the whole "no-trade" flag buisness!

Waiting for an alt to zone in and take the loot has been one of the most annoying things in TSO! And I hate to see yet another xpac going down that road. It will be even worse if people need to play alts to get their Seals...

Do i think you should be able to get loot for any of your alts, even if they are not in the raid, Yes! I strongly think so, that is what keeps the motivation in this game for a lot of people - should other suffer because of old mechanics still in the game, no!

So imho throw all the No-trade away, flag it lore. And let people trade it to their alts or if guilds want Sell all loot over the broker!

It will speed up raids, reduces the "Selling lootright bs" some servers have etc etc!

No-Trade has no meaning other to annoy people if you ask me! Since there are always ways around it ...

DngrMou · 03-31-2010, 10:00 AM

Khurghan wrote:

I'm a hard-core raider with what some people deem "a lot" of accounts, on my "main" account I have not alts, zero, none.
Previously in TSO I could bid on rot gear for my alts by simply zoning them in (or to for contesteds) and looting items to them. In SF with the red adorn system looted (left side) raid gear is basically useless unless you can place red adorns in it.
Are there any (real) plans to be able to link accounts so people can transfer heirloom items etc between them? or should I cancel my other accounts as they are basically useless now?

So why not just raid on the toons you want the loot, and seals for? If not that, run those toons through the raid instances for the trash, and easier nameds for seals, (and loot), Then switch out to your main for the harder fights?

Jesdyr · 03-31-2010, 11:02 AM

DngrMouse wrote:

So why not just raid on the toons you want the loot, and seals for? If not that, run those toons through the raid instances for the trash, and easier nameds for seals, (and loot), Then switch out to your main for the harder fights?

As Atan said .. this will be a total pain when you have 1/2 a raid force wanting to do it. I am sure a well staffed and managed guild could do this without too much headache, but you still have downtime while people switch characters. Combine that with the Zoning issues and you could spend 30min messing around with Alt switching in one night.

thog_zork · 03-31-2010, 11:10 AM

Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:

DngrMouse wrote:
So why not just raid on the toons you want the loot, and seals for? If not that, run those toons through the raid instances for the trash, and easier nameds for seals, (and loot), Then switch out to your main for the harder fights?
As Atan said .. this will be a total pain when you have 1/2 a raid force wanting to do it. I am sure a well staffed and managed guild could do this without too much headache, but you still have downtime while people switch characters. Combine that with the Zoning issues and you could spend 30min messing around with Alt switching in one night.

this is basically impossible to do ... soo much time will be lost switching chars back and forth the coordiantion the griefbetween players wanting seals !

please leave seals as it is

channel · 03-31-2010, 11:53 AM

multiple accounts has caused issues for me in the past, and YES - making more things 'heirloom' (like red adorns) is .... just .... well... frustrating...

but WHY would SOE need to link accounts? if it's too hard to do outside of game, maybe they could do something INSIDE of the game...

1) MAIN does really really long quest line (maybe clears all raid zones again in last 3 xpacs, plus running around, or something)

2) reward for MAIN from quest line is an "heirloom bank" house item, and 4 keys (1 key no trade [for use on this MAIN account] and 3 keys to give to up to 3 other accounts)

3) Heirloom bank is no-trade and is placed in house (NOT guild hall)

4) 3 keys are tradeable

5) receipient of key "redeems" it (almost like an LON booster or card in game is redeemed to show up in the LON client)

6) redeemed key goes into the /claim window

7) character claims this key - which is ONE per account, and is heirloom

SMILEY IF that account is given another key by something else altogether - and redeems it, the CLAIM window will not allow anymore /claims of a new key (i.e. - so one account can not be linked to several other accounts, in an exponential downstream sharing of heirloom items)

9) once the key is claimed - the user must go and "attune" the key to the Heirloom Bank placed in step number 3

10) any character on the account with the "claimed" and attuned key can use it to access the heirloom bank it is attuned to

(if ALT A on account 2 wants a void shard, then they must have this specific key in their bags and be a trustee of the house that the "heirloom bank" is in, and the key must be attuned to that heirloom bank....

if ALT B on account 2 now wants 10 void shards as well, then ALT A must put the key in the normal shared bank slot, log out, log in ALT B - retrieve attuned key from normal shared bank slot - travel to the house that has the heirloom bank and retrieve desired item(s)

by preventing the ability to /claim multiple keys on an account - then that whole entire account is now locked to the heirloom bank that the key on that account is attuned to...

11) the heirloom bank allows any character with an "attuned" key to deposit and retrieve heirloom items, nothing else can be stored in the heirloom bank

just my 2cp on an inside-game potential workaround to not being able to "link" accounts...

Grabs · 03-31-2010, 12:07 PM

I moved this from a different thread to here, I posted this earlier:

I have the same Issue, I have 5 accounts, 1- Tanks/ 2- Healers/ 3- Melee DPS/ 4 - Mages/ 5 - Utility , my "Raid Main" happens to be a Healer right now, my Raid Alt is on the tank account.

With out a method to move Red Slot adornments and/or Seals between Chars/Accounts, Raid loot become useless to all but the one Char.

If this stays this way, this has cemented my decision to not purchase the next expansion.

IF, SoE would allow me to have all 10 of my Level 90s on a Single account, and allow me to pay extra for "Multiple Logons" to that account, i would be happy. I often play 3 Chars at the same time, and sometimes, have all 5 Accounts logged in at the same time. OR, let me link my Accounts!

But that is not reality on a raid, cant bring more than one. And "Seals of Arad" are going to do nothing but rot in the bank, i already have a stack of 100 in the bank

Right now, there will be no more leveling Alts, SoE just threw up the road block, and I wont stand there long before I take a different road. I will throw my game money away where these road blocks dont exist. If I can not level alts and equip them from my Raid Efforts, I am gone...

Kunaak · 03-31-2010, 04:11 PM

Heirloom items been to be flagged to be able to be put in guild banks - thats the simplest way to solve this issue - without giving into this whole idea of making everything in the game tradeable.

last thing I'd ever want to see, is a ton of raid gear, on the broker.

if that ever happend, I'd just say thats it for me. I work hard as hell to get what I got, and the idea that joe shmoe with 1000 plat from farming shinnies on his brawler, crawling around in chardok, somehow should get the same gear I get, just will never sit right with me.

Gungo · 03-31-2010, 07:17 PM

Excalibur119 wrote:

Gungo wrote:
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Regardless until accounts are linked which will take quite a while you can always move your alts to your main account. I dont think being able to sell adornments on the broker is intended. Unless SOE has some dramatic shift in policy and allows us to sell red adornments and raid loot on the broker.
So you are suggesting that I pay SOE $50 to do what everyone else with one account can do for free? While at the same time I am already paying SOE at least $15 more per month in subscription fees? That just doesn't sound feasible.

You wont be paying 15 more a month if you move them also People with alts on the SAME account can not give red adornments to toons outside of thier account. So no they CAN NOT do the same thing for free.

Gungo · 03-31-2010, 07:20 PM

Splitpawratpack wrote:

Gungo wrote:
Actually you couldnt buy class specific adornments with yoru main for your alt. You would need the same class in your guild to use thier shards to buy class specific adornments for your alt. Of course you could buy generic adornments with your main.
Regardless until accounts are linked which will take quite a while you can always move your alts to your main account. I dont think being able to sell adornments on the broker is intended. Unless SOE has some dramatic shift in policy and allows us to sell red adornments and raid loot on the broker.
One spot free on main account - roll a new toon of your alt's class, trade the heirloom seals plus the plat needed through shared bank, go buy the class specific adorn ... voíla!
And if you think I'd transfer four accounts worth of alts to one account, you really are riding the shortbus.
On top of that, I don't really see the problem with red adorns being sold on the broker, but if it really is that horrible, make up a no-broker tag then. Oh wait, we would still be able to sell them by trading ... oh my god. [sarcasm] It really would screw up the in-game economy, right? [/sarcasm]

Do you honestly think this WHOLE convoluted exploit you used is intended?If that was the case SOE would of allowed you to purchase any red adornment in the first place.

Honestly they need to remove the no trade flag from most content in the game, except for several rewards like mythicals. But since that is NOT going to happen.You are stuck either moving your alt to your main account of FARMING low end raid content on your alt.

Jonaroth · 03-31-2010, 08:07 PM

I think they could fix this very easily without much work for the developers if they just allowed heriloom items to be sent via in-game mail (with 1 small change).

if a heriloom item is attached to an in-game mail that is being sent, it won't allow the message to send, or grey out the send box if the the Sender's "unique key" isn't the same as the recipient's "unique key"... The "unique key" would be some like 64bit incrypted value that is constructed from the account holder's name, address, last 4 digits of credit card or something.

If the "uniqueue key" algorithm is taxing to the server or you fear spammers, you could put a herloom sending time-out of 12 hours or something.

Eh?

Lizzoraus · 03-31-2010, 10:04 PM

I'm not a big fan of the change making the augments heirloom. I switch back & forth between my monk and inquisitor based on what my guild needs that night. What was so bad about making them tradeable? It's not like you could put them on non-raid gear.

thog_zork · 04-01-2010, 05:11 AM

indeed ... a lot of players in our raidcom are needed to switch between alts on different accounts ... so please revert this changes

DngrMou · 04-01-2010, 09:18 AM

Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:

DngrMouse wrote:
So why not just raid on the toons you want the loot, and seals for? If not that, run those toons through the raid instances for the trash, and easier nameds for seals, (and loot), Then switch out to your main for the harder fights?
As Atan said .. this will be a total pain when you have 1/2 a raid force wanting to do it. I am sure a well staffed and managed guild could do this without too much headache, but you still have downtime while people switch characters. Combine that with the Zoning issues and you could spend 30min messing around with Alt switching in one night.

I would imagine the guilds in question can formulate their own policies on swapping toons in/out during an active raid. If they want the headache, more power to them.

DngrMou · 04-01-2010, 09:20 AM

thog_zork wrote:

Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:
DngrMouse wrote:
So why not just raid on the toons you want the loot, and seals for? If not that, run those toons through the raid instances for the trash, and easier nameds for seals, (and loot), Then switch out to your main for the harder fights?
As Atan said .. this will be a total pain when you have 1/2 a raid force wanting to do it. I am sure a well staffed and managed guild could do this without too much headache, but you still have downtime while people switch characters. Combine that with the Zoning issues and you could spend 30min messing around with Alt switching in one night.
this is basically impossible to do ... soo much time will be lost switching chars back and forth the coordiantion the griefbetween players wanting seals !
please leave seals as it is

I personally would not remain a member of a guild that allowed non participating characters to roll for loot over active raiders...but again, if some guilds choose to do this, more power to them.

03-30-2010, 11:50 AM	#2
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Khurghan wrote: Are there any (real) plans to be able to link accounts so people can transfer heirloom items etc between them? or should I cancel my other accounts as they are basically useless now? Yes cancel them, as they've stated linking was too hard. Otherwise, they need to find a way to share these via guildbank or something. __________________

03-30-2010, 12:57 PM	#5
slippery Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,272	Please revert this change until you can link accounts so that people can give Red adorns to alts. __________________ Arabel/Iguards/Thristin/Islayx, Leader of Equilibrium on Antonia Bayle

03-30-2010, 01:11 PM	#6
Chanson Server: Everfrost Guild: Stormsurge Rank: Officer Alt Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 173	Trevalon wrote: I havent really kept up with SF as I have just returned and have been releveling with RL friends, but your saying that its basically useless to sell raid rots now? If thats so then thank god. I thought that was the single worst thing about TSO was that raid loot could be bartered off or alts could get in and get the items. But what do I know, Im also a firm believer that instances are the devil and every mob/raid should be 100% contested. No, you can still sell raid rots. What's he's saying is that raid rots are useless without red adorns, and since red adorns are now heirloom, he has no way of giving red adorns to his alts on other accounts, thereby making raid rots useless.

03-30-2010, 02:55 PM	#7
vinere Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 298	nipxur wrote: Trevalon wrote: I havent really kept up with SF as I have just returned and have been releveling with RL friends, but your saying that its basically useless to sell raid rots now? If thats so then thank god. I thought that was the single worst thing about TSO was that raid loot could be bartered off or alts could get in and get the items. But what do I know, Im also a firm believer that instances are the devil and every mob/raid should be 100% contested. No, you can still sell raid rots. What's he's saying is that raid rots are useless without red adorns, and since red adorns are now heirloom, he has no way of giving red adorns to his alts on other accounts, thereby making raid rots useless. Or ask your guild to let u play that toon for the easy crap mobs. In 35 min you can get 5 seals from Tox + first named in labs..

03-30-2010, 04:46 PM	#8
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	vinere wrote: nipxur wrote: No, you can still sell raid rots. What's he's saying is that raid rots are useless without red adorns, and since red adorns are now heirloom, he has no way of giving red adorns to his alts on other accounts, thereby making raid rots useless. Or ask your guild to let u play that toon for the easy crap mobs. In 35 min you can get 5 seals from Tox + first named in labs.. To be honest, having a dozen+ raiders wanting to do this for an army of alts is going to go over like a lead balloon. __________________

03-30-2010, 11:05 AM	#1
Khurghan Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 487	I'm a hard-core raider with what some people deem "a lot" of accounts, on my "main" account I have not alts, zero, none. Previously in TSO I could bid on rot gear for my alts by simply zoning them in (or to for contesteds) and looting items to them. In SF with the red adorn system looted (left side) raid gear is basically useless unless you can place red adorns in it. Are there any (real) plans to be able to link accounts so people can transfer heirloom items etc between them? or should I cancel my other accounts as they are basically useless now?

03-30-2010, 11:56 AM	#3
Trevalon Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 286	I havent really kept up with SF as I have just returned and have been releveling with RL friends, but your saying that its basically useless to sell raid rots now? If thats so then thank god. I thought that was the single worst thing about TSO was that raid loot could be bartered off or alts could get in and get the items. But what do I know, Im also a firm believer that instances are the devil and every mob/raid should be 100% contested.

03-30-2010, 12:05 PM	#4
thog_zork Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 585	i also have multiple accounts... i thought the ability to pass the red adorments between accounts was inteded to adresse exatly this problem ! please do no change this unless you can do account linking (which is no in sight) so please leave this band aid in game

03-30-2010, 07:38 PM	#9
Splitpawratpack Newbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2	This indeed is a horrible idea. No bloody way I'll keep paying for 5 accounts if it makes me practically impossible to gear them out with more than some generic loot that's worse than T8 equivalents due to the lack of possibility to adorn them. Either make us able to link our accounts or remove the godforsaken heirloom tag - which is pretty f-ing useless anyway with the seals being heirloom and the most of the interesting ones being class specific. I sure don't have several toons on raidlevel of the same class on the same account and server, but it might just be me of course. And yes, a no-trade tag would of course be just as useless. You had a working system with generic drops leaving less stuff to rot - or sell if that's what you had in mind to prevent with this, since people tend to have alts enough to cover for 3 or 4 raid guilds (apart from leather classes perhaps, but ...) - in the long run. Don't screw it up. The gear will still be looted by alts or sold to less successful raiders that gets their seals from farming the first two nameds in Lair of the Dragon or whatever. The only ones that it screws over are the people who pay for 2 or even 5 or 6 accounts. Good thinking there ... really!

03-30-2010, 07:44 PM	#10
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	Atan@Unrest wrote: To be honest, having a dozen+ raiders wanting to do this for an army of alts is going to go over like a lead balloon. http://mythbustersresults.com/episode96 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSkM-QEeUg The point does stand, though. This was a bad change for people with multiple accounts. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

03-30-2010, 08:08 PM	#11
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Actually you couldnt buy class specific adornments with yoru main for your alt. You would need the same class in your guild to use thier shards to buy class specific adornments for your alt. Of course you could buy generic adornments with your main. Regardless until accounts are linked which will take quite a while you can always move your alts to your main account. I dont think being able to sell adornments on the broker is intended. Unless SOE has some dramatic shift in policy and allows us to sell red adornments and raid loot on the broker.

03-30-2010, 09:45 PM	#12
Excalibur1 General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 40	Gungo wrote: * Snip * Regardless until accounts are linked which will take quite a while you can always move your alts to your main account. I dont think being able to sell adornments on the broker is intended. Unless SOE has some dramatic shift in policy and allows us to sell red adornments and raid loot on the broker. So you are suggesting that I pay SOE $50 to do what everyone else with one account can do for free? While at the same time I am already paying SOE at least $15 more per month in subscription fees? That just doesn't sound feasible.

03-31-2010, 05:51 AM	#13
thog_zork Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 585	completly unfair to multiple account users ... account linking is to hard so please leave the red adorns tradeable

03-31-2010, 05:53 AM	#14
Grabs Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	If SoE leaves this "As Is", they will be many rolling effects "In Game", including affecting their Bottom Line, as in less subscriptions. Eventually, if Loot can not be used, or sold at a good price, no guild is going to stop and sell crap either for small fees, it is not worth the delays in the raid schedule, and that is only going to futher seperate the haves and have nots This is a Spiral building up speed... __________________ 90/90/250/450 Guardian/Myth 90/90/250/450 Shadowknight/Myth 90/90/242/400 Bruiser/Myth 90/90/250/400 Defiler/Myth 90/90/250/450 Mystic/Myth 90/90/250/450 Inquisitor/Myth 90/80/250/400 Templer/Myth 90/80/244/400 Coercer/Myth 90/80/249/400 Illusionist/Myth 90/90/250/400 Dirge/Myth 81/0/250/0 Troub 80/0/250/0 Berserker

03-31-2010, 06:03 AM	#15
Kunaak Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,081	this most definatly needs to be addressed - theres no reason to make it impossible to get red adornments for your other toons on other accounts. I get that they dont like that people are trying to sell them on the broker - I agree, they shouldnt be so easily trivialized - but to basically make all SF raid armor useless to people with alts is extremely unfair.

03-31-2010, 07:56 AM	#16
Splitpawratpack Newbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2	Gungo wrote: Actually you couldnt buy class specific adornments with yoru main for your alt. You would need the same class in your guild to use thier shards to buy class specific adornments for your alt. Of course you could buy generic adornments with your main. Regardless until accounts are linked which will take quite a while you can always move your alts to your main account. I dont think being able to sell adornments on the broker is intended. Unless SOE has some dramatic shift in policy and allows us to sell red adornments and raid loot on the broker. One spot free on main account - roll a new toon of your alt's class, trade the heirloom seals plus the plat needed through shared bank, go buy the class specific adorn ... voíla! And if you think I'd transfer four accounts worth of alts to one account, you really are riding the shortbus. On top of that, I don't really see the problem with red adorns being sold on the broker, but if it really is that horrible, make up a no-broker tag then. Oh wait, we would still be able to sell them by trading ... oh my god. [sarcasm] It really would screw up the in-game economy, right? [/sarcasm]

03-31-2010, 08:50 AM	#17
SinIsLaw Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 357	tbh, soe should just dump the whole "no-trade" flag buisness! Waiting for an alt to zone in and take the loot has been one of the most annoying things in TSO! And I hate to see yet another xpac going down that road. It will be even worse if people need to play alts to get their Seals... Do i think you should be able to get loot for any of your alts, even if they are not in the raid, Yes! I strongly think so, that is what keeps the motivation in this game for a lot of people - should other suffer because of old mechanics still in the game, no! So imho throw all the No-trade away, flag it lore. And let people trade it to their alts or if guilds want Sell all loot over the broker! It will speed up raids, reduces the "Selling lootright bs" some servers have etc etc! No-Trade has no meaning other to annoy people if you ask me! Since there are always ways around it ... __________________

03-31-2010, 10:00 AM	#18
DngrMou General Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,286	Khurghan wrote: I'm a hard-core raider with what some people deem "a lot" of accounts, on my "main" account I have not alts, zero, none. Previously in TSO I could bid on rot gear for my alts by simply zoning them in (or to for contesteds) and looting items to them. In SF with the red adorn system looted (left side) raid gear is basically useless unless you can place red adorns in it. Are there any (real) plans to be able to link accounts so people can transfer heirloom items etc between them? or should I cancel my other accounts as they are basically useless now? So why not just raid on the toons you want the loot, and seals for? If not that, run those toons through the raid instances for the trash, and easier nameds for seals, (and loot), Then switch out to your main for the harder fights?

03-31-2010, 11:02 AM	#19
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	DngrMouse wrote: So why not just raid on the toons you want the loot, and seals for? If not that, run those toons through the raid instances for the trash, and easier nameds for seals, (and loot), Then switch out to your main for the harder fights? As Atan said .. this will be a total pain when you have 1/2 a raid force wanting to do it. I am sure a well staffed and managed guild could do this without too much headache, but you still have downtime while people switch characters. Combine that with the Zoning issues and you could spend 30min messing around with Alt switching in one night.

03-31-2010, 11:10 AM	#20
thog_zork Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 585	Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: DngrMouse wrote: So why not just raid on the toons you want the loot, and seals for? If not that, run those toons through the raid instances for the trash, and easier nameds for seals, (and loot), Then switch out to your main for the harder fights? As Atan said .. this will be a total pain when you have 1/2 a raid force wanting to do it. I am sure a well staffed and managed guild could do this without too much headache, but you still have downtime while people switch characters. Combine that with the Zoning issues and you could spend 30min messing around with Alt switching in one night. this is basically impossible to do ... soo much time will be lost switching chars back and forth the coordiantion the griefbetween players wanting seals ! please leave seals as it is

03-31-2010, 11:53 AM	#21
channel Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 134	multiple accounts has caused issues for me in the past, and YES - making more things 'heirloom' (like red adorns) is .... just .... well... frustrating... but WHY would SOE need to link accounts? if it's too hard to do outside of game, maybe they could do something INSIDE of the game... 1) MAIN does really really long quest line (maybe clears all raid zones again in last 3 xpacs, plus running around, or something) 2) reward for MAIN from quest line is an "heirloom bank" house item, and 4 keys (1 key no trade [for use on this MAIN account] and 3 keys to give to up to 3 other accounts) 3) Heirloom bank is no-trade and is placed in house (NOT guild hall) 4) 3 keys are tradeable 5) receipient of key "redeems" it (almost like an LON booster or card in game is redeemed to show up in the LON client) 6) redeemed key goes into the /claim window 7) character claims this key - which is ONE per account, and is heirloom IF that account is given another key by something else altogether - and redeems it, the CLAIM window will not allow anymore /claims of a new key (i.e. - so one account can not be linked to several other accounts, in an exponential downstream sharing of heirloom items) 9) once the key is claimed - the user must go and "attune" the key to the Heirloom Bank placed in step number 3 10) any character on the account with the "claimed" and attuned key can use it to access the heirloom bank it is attuned to (if ALT A on account 2 wants a void shard, then they must have this specific key in their bags and be a trustee of the house that the "heirloom bank" is in, and the key must be attuned to that heirloom bank.... if ALT B on account 2 now wants 10 void shards as well, then ALT A must put the key in the normal shared bank slot, log out, log in ALT B - retrieve attuned key from normal shared bank slot - travel to the house that has the heirloom bank and retrieve desired item(s) by preventing the ability to /claim multiple keys on an account - then that whole entire account is now locked to the heirloom bank that the key on that account is attuned to... 11) the heirloom bank allows any character with an "attuned" key to deposit and retrieve heirloom items, nothing else can be stored in the heirloom bank just my 2cp on an inside-game potential workaround to not being able to "link" accounts...

03-31-2010, 12:07 PM	#22
Grabs Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	I moved this from a different thread to here, I posted this earlier: I have the same Issue, I have 5 accounts, 1- Tanks/ 2- Healers/ 3- Melee DPS/ 4 - Mages/ 5 - Utility , my "Raid Main" happens to be a Healer right now, my Raid Alt is on the tank account. With out a method to move Red Slot adornments and/or Seals between Chars/Accounts, Raid loot become useless to all but the one Char. If this stays this way, this has cemented my decision to not purchase the next expansion. IF, SoE would allow me to have all 10 of my Level 90s on a Single account, and allow me to pay extra for "Multiple Logons" to that account, i would be happy. I often play 3 Chars at the same time, and sometimes, have all 5 Accounts logged in at the same time. OR, let me link my Accounts! But that is not reality on a raid, cant bring more than one. And "Seals of Arad" are going to do nothing but rot in the bank, i already have a stack of 100 in the bank Right now, there will be no more leveling Alts, SoE just threw up the road block, and I wont stand there long before I take a different road. I will throw my game money away where these road blocks dont exist. If I can not level alts and equip them from my Raid Efforts, I am gone... __________________ 90/90/250/450 Guardian/Myth 90/90/250/450 Shadowknight/Myth 90/90/242/400 Bruiser/Myth 90/90/250/400 Defiler/Myth 90/90/250/450 Mystic/Myth 90/90/250/450 Inquisitor/Myth 90/80/250/400 Templer/Myth 90/80/244/400 Coercer/Myth 90/80/249/400 Illusionist/Myth 90/90/250/400 Dirge/Myth 81/0/250/0 Troub 80/0/250/0 Berserker

03-31-2010, 04:11 PM	#23
Kunaak Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,081	Heirloom items been to be flagged to be able to be put in guild banks - thats the simplest way to solve this issue - without giving into this whole idea of making everything in the game tradeable. last thing I'd ever want to see, is a ton of raid gear, on the broker. if that ever happend, I'd just say thats it for me. I work hard as hell to get what I got, and the idea that joe shmoe with 1000 plat from farming shinnies on his brawler, crawling around in chardok, somehow should get the same gear I get, just will never sit right with me.

03-31-2010, 07:17 PM	#24
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Excalibur119 wrote: Gungo wrote: * Snip * Regardless until accounts are linked which will take quite a while you can always move your alts to your main account. I dont think being able to sell adornments on the broker is intended. Unless SOE has some dramatic shift in policy and allows us to sell red adornments and raid loot on the broker. So you are suggesting that I pay SOE $50 to do what everyone else with one account can do for free? While at the same time I am already paying SOE at least $15 more per month in subscription fees? That just doesn't sound feasible. You wont be paying 15 more a month if you move them also People with alts on the SAME account can not give red adornments to toons outside of thier account. So no they CAN NOT do the same thing for free.

03-31-2010, 07:20 PM	#25
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Splitpawratpack wrote: Gungo wrote: Actually you couldnt buy class specific adornments with yoru main for your alt. You would need the same class in your guild to use thier shards to buy class specific adornments for your alt. Of course you could buy generic adornments with your main. Regardless until accounts are linked which will take quite a while you can always move your alts to your main account. I dont think being able to sell adornments on the broker is intended. Unless SOE has some dramatic shift in policy and allows us to sell red adornments and raid loot on the broker. One spot free on main account - roll a new toon of your alt's class, trade the heirloom seals plus the plat needed through shared bank, go buy the class specific adorn ... voíla! And if you think I'd transfer four accounts worth of alts to one account, you really are riding the shortbus. On top of that, I don't really see the problem with red adorns being sold on the broker, but if it really is that horrible, make up a no-broker tag then. Oh wait, we would still be able to sell them by trading ... oh my god. [sarcasm] It really would screw up the in-game economy, right? [/sarcasm] Do you honestly think this WHOLE convoluted exploit you used is intended?If that was the case SOE would of allowed you to purchase any red adornment in the first place. Honestly they need to remove the no trade flag from most content in the game, except for several rewards like mythicals. But since that is NOT going to happen.You are stuck either moving your alt to your main account of FARMING low end raid content on your alt.

03-31-2010, 08:07 PM	#26
Jonaroth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 761	I think they could fix this very easily without much work for the developers if they just allowed heriloom items to be sent via in-game mail (with 1 small change). if a heriloom item is attached to an in-game mail that is being sent, it won't allow the message to send, or grey out the send box if the the Sender's "unique key" isn't the same as the recipient's "unique key"... The "unique key" would be some like 64bit incrypted value that is constructed from the account holder's name, address, last 4 digits of credit card or something. If the "uniqueue key" algorithm is taxing to the server or you fear spammers, you could put a herloom sending time-out of 12 hours or something. Eh? __________________

03-31-2010, 10:04 PM	#27
Lizzoraus Server: Blackburrow Guild: Avalon Rank: Squire Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 132	I'm not a big fan of the change making the augments heirloom. I switch back & forth between my monk and inquisitor based on what my guild needs that night. What was so bad about making them tradeable? It's not like you could put them on non-raid gear.

04-01-2010, 05:11 AM	#28
thog_zork Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 585	indeed ... a lot of players in our raidcom are needed to switch between alts on different accounts ... so please revert this changes

04-01-2010, 09:18 AM	#29
DngrMou General Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,286	Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: DngrMouse wrote: So why not just raid on the toons you want the loot, and seals for? If not that, run those toons through the raid instances for the trash, and easier nameds for seals, (and loot), Then switch out to your main for the harder fights? As Atan said .. this will be a total pain when you have 1/2 a raid force wanting to do it. I am sure a well staffed and managed guild could do this without too much headache, but you still have downtime while people switch characters. Combine that with the Zoning issues and you could spend 30min messing around with Alt switching in one night. I would imagine the guilds in question can formulate their own policies on swapping toons in/out during an active raid. If they want the headache, more power to them.

04-01-2010, 09:20 AM	#30
DngrMou General Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,286	thog_zork wrote: Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: DngrMouse wrote: So why not just raid on the toons you want the loot, and seals for? If not that, run those toons through the raid instances for the trash, and easier nameds for seals, (and loot), Then switch out to your main for the harder fights? As Atan said .. this will be a total pain when you have 1/2 a raid force wanting to do it. I am sure a well staffed and managed guild could do this without too much headache, but you still have downtime while people switch characters. Combine that with the Zoning issues and you could spend 30min messing around with Alt switching in one night. this is basically impossible to do ... soo much time will be lost switching chars back and forth the coordiantion the griefbetween players wanting seals ! please leave seals as it is I personally would not remain a member of a guild that allowed non participating characters to roll for loot over active raiders...but again, if some guilds choose to do this, more power to them.