Don't bother

[Thunderthyze]

Lag is appalling. Makes the game all but impossible to play with any enjoyment. Why does SOE think bigger is better? You think RoK was bad? Think again.

[Seidhkona]

There's always a lot of lag on launch day as everyone rushes into the new expansion and starts madly doing stuff. It will ease up over the next week as people spread out.

[Sulena]

paineel is laggy because of all the effects but the rest of the expansion should not be and if you are getting lag try turning your graphics down temp.

[ceya]

Lag is so bad its not even playable. Maybe someday SOE can learn to plan ahead and have enought bandwidth avail for everyone that is dloading and playing. then again maybe someday i might win the lottery too.....

[Thunderthyze]

ceya wrote:

Maybe someday SOE can learn to plan ahead and have enought bandwidth avail for everyone that is dloading and playing. then again maybe someday i might win the lottery too.....

Never going to happen. Strangely though SOE have always maintained there was not the demand for the game in Europe. Funny how the EU servers are lagging to heck and back then.

Oh, and the comment about lag improving as people spread out? That never happened in Moors did it?

[Arianah]

Not experiencing any lag here, not in Paineel, not in Moors (well the ruins in Moors are always a laggy spot for me).

[Shredderr]

Yes I agree lag makes u not even want to play its more frustrating than being grieved over and over by a group . Dont know why this has become a norm but i would suspect the programmers have made their own personal supercomputers the standard by which they judge and set the basic requirements far too high for the rest of us more mundane players . i cant imagine someone being able to play this game with the standards written on the original box . What was it ? Less than or just about 1 gig of ram ? I have 4 gigs ... no way not gonna happen u couldnt stand in one place and watch others play with 1 gig or less I dont believe .

[Obadiah]

I played pretty much all day yesterday on various toons, mostly in Sundered Frontier. I experienced absolutely no button lag or other issues. The only time I saw things slow down was when room-pulling the untrustworthy cooks and famished rats and what not in The Hole, and I'm guessing that was my machine not liking it on those settings. Not saying it doesn't exist, but Rothgar posted about very specific issues and I'm assuming those are why some people saw these and some did not.

I recall a lot of lag in RoK initially, but never had any in Moors either except certain spots (like approaching Firmroot Moot in the balloon for whatever reason).

[Rijacki]

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:

 Why does SOE think bigger is better?

Because that's what the players keep saying. Players complain about small zones and zoning between them. So SOE listens to the players and makes larger zones... players complain about the large zones being laggy and the need to zone anywhere else..

[Gungo]

The database team needs to work faster and upgrade all servers to 64 bit.The performance tweaking from shaders change needs to be completed so that the graphic dev can focus on a more robust performance tweak.Find a fix to the macro throttle.And finally SoE needs to change its stance and do a database purge of ALL characters level 10 and under with less then 1 plat on account thats been inactive for over a year. This and a database purge of all toons deleted for over a year should be done before EVERY expansion release.  

[feldon30]

Rijacki wrote:

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:

 Why does SOE think bigger is better?

Because that's what the players keep saying. Players complain about small zones and zoning between them.

Proof or it didn't happen.

[Fanbrig]

The lag is very bad.  I've been on at various times over the last 2 days and struggled through the lag issues, sometimes quitting due to it and other times sticking it out, but regardless the lag has been so bad, it has not been enjoyable at all.  I've used several different graphics settings, while there has been some degree of improvement, it still is very bad.

Bad = typing something in chat and waiting 10 secs for it to appear, seeing toons move every few secs in small jumps, getting hit by invisible mobs cause the lag is so bad they don't appear until 1/2 thru the fight (not that it matters since they are so weak anyways).

Additionally to the bad lag, almost all of the starter quests in Paineel, the Eye and Stoneburnt are basically running errands back and forth picking up stuff or talking to people.  The only fighting has been to nuke the trash mobs that bother you in between runs.  I'm trying not to skip content and do the quests in order, but so far, the new quests are a big disappointment.  I'm hoping the quests become more challenging and less errand running as I continue.

So I am 82 now with mostly T3+ gear, I'm debating jumping right to the Hole and skipping the rest of the quests, but if I do that, they will be even easier at higher level.  Other option is to go back and do some TSO zones.  Problem is next week, there will be wave 2 in SF for all those who didn't get the pre-order who will also start playing the xpac.  More lag!

On the positve side, the new changes made to my Fury are pretty awesome!  Thank you Devs.  They almost make up for the big nerfs on my Illy.

[Pyra Shineflame]

I experienced some server side lag (as in hit CA button, have timer for cast go off...and then three seconds later actually see it hit the mob chewing on me) but that was pretty infrequent. There were times when my group mates were like "I'm lagging so bad!" And nothing is happening to me or vice versa. If it isnt' universal, that could be one indication of a player side issue. Paineel is a bit worse than Neriak for me, and seeing as how I don't lag that much in Neriak either (something many people complain about) I'm not going to lynch SOE over it.

[Cusashorn]

Sulena@Antonia Bayle wrote:

paineel is laggy because of all the effects but the rest of the expansion should not be and if you are getting lag try turning your graphics down temp.

There's a big difference between visual lag (Your side) and server performance lag (Their side). The lag in this case is a delay during combat when you're firing off spells. It just doesn't flow smoothly, and there's nothing YOU can do to remedy it.

It's always been this case when new expansions come out. So many people flock to the new areas that they create multiple instances of the same zone, effectively putting 2-3-4-500 people in one zone. The lag created disipates as people ease off, but I know the exact same thing happened in Moors when TSO came out.

That said, I say you should count your blessings. The Digital Download hasn't even been released yet. That's just gonna cause an even LARGER influx of players to the areas.

[stevenbanks]

Yeah, um, this isn't new. This same thing has happened in every single expansion release and after about 4 days it goes away. Heck, I remember when DoF released they had to do server rollbacks like 40 times and people kept losing the xp they gained. I am not experiencing any lag at all. I have no lag in Stonebrundt nor Sundered Fronteir. Turn your graphics down a bit and play through it or just wait another day.

[Kizee]

I was more put off on how easy everything is than the lag.

Pulling whole rooms of orange heroics and bearly having to heal? Yeahhhh.

[Obadiah]

stevenbanks wrote:

Yeah, um, this isn't new. This same thing has happened in every single expansion release and after about 4 days it goes away. Heck, I remember when DoF released they had to do server rollbacks like 40 times and people kept losing the xp they gained. I am not experiencing any lag at all. I have no lag in Stonebrundt nor Sundered Fronteir. Turn your graphics down a bit and play through it or just wait another day.

Yeah honestly the last two expansions it seems better than it had been in the past. KoS was the worst in my experience. RoK was pretty bad until you broke away from the "pack" and got out of KP and into Fens. TSO I didn't ever have any lag. Still the only lag I've experienced in SF is NPCs in Paineel taking a few seconds to show up, which isn't a big deal. Room pulling in The Hole is even OK with graphics turned down.

Definitely agree with Kizee on ease though ... Hole = Cake. Level 90 mobs are kinder and gentler than trash in Guk. But I think it's supposed to be that way to some extent since it's targeted for duos/small groups. Still ...

First instance we tried wasn't that easy, but .... I was the only one over level 82 at the time.

[Erurat]

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:

Lag is appalling. Makes the game all but impossible to play with any enjoyment. Why does SOE think bigger is better? You think RoK was bad? Think again.

Do you mean graphics lag or chat/spell response time lag?

Maybe it's time for a new computer or better video card?  I mean this respectively because if you are having trouble now it's probably only going to get worse once they update the shaders as they plan to do in the near future.

I run a modest E8400 dual-core cpu and a 8800gt graphics card and I have virtually no lag.  Maybe my internet connection has less latency?

[Armawk]

Kizee wrote:

I was more put off on how easy everything is than the lag.

Pulling whole rooms of orange heroics and bearly having to heal? Yeahhhh.

What on earth are you wearing? We are a conj and swash in T1 shard and a room full of orange heroics would slaughter us like lambs.

[Dreyco]

Back when RoK Was being developped, Hartsman himself said that their new direction was larger zones with less loading.  People always complained about loading screens.  They -still- do to some extent.

Larger zones means more assets commited to memory.  More assets being commited to memory means that... it's going to lag.  More people in a single space?  Yup.  Going to cause more lag also.

You can't have one without the other.  Just the way it goes.

For the record... i'm not lagging much.  Aside from Paineel.

[Yimway]

Dreyco wrote:

Back when RoK Was being developped, Hartsman himself said that their new direction was larger zones with less loading.  People always complained about loading screens.  They -still- do to some extent.

While true, I'll contend players only care when they have to cross load times to complete tasks.  Ie, if all quests keep you in one zone, and you can instantly zone (or almost instantly) from zone A to zone E without having to zone A to zone B to zone C to zone D to zone E.  With those things being true, players don't really care that much about load screens as they're overall time looking at them over an hour play sessoin is 5-30 seconds.

Guild halls and transportation options have given us that.  Removal of quest lines from newbie areas that 'fedex' you across zone lines would go a LONG way as well.

But I don't really need KP to be the size it is, given that the quests keep me localized to one of 3 areas for long periods of time, the zone could have been 3 zones and it wouldn't have impacted me significantly.  Just as moors could have been 3 zones and it wouldn't have impacted the player significantly.

Grander zones have a 'cool' factor for sure, but it never outweighs playability.

[Dareena]

shaunfletcher wrote:

Kizee wrote:

I was more put off on how easy everything is than the lag.

Pulling whole rooms of orange heroics and bearly having to heal? Yeahhhh.

What on earth are you wearing? We are a conj and swash in T1 shard and a room full of orange heroics would slaughter us like lambs.

People who slaughter orange con mobs are people like my main.  They're mastered out, in T3/T4 shard armor, wielding Mythicals, 200+ AA, and fitted out in the best jewelry that could be farmed in a year and a half.

In prior expansions, the bar of minimum difficulty in solo content was set higher.  Raiders usually wouldn't dare skipping past Frontier and going straight to Highlands where we're killing mobs that are 5-6 levels above us solo.  Or full room pulling mobs if we're grouped out.  The current bar is T1 armor and Adept abilities.  It's only in SF that there's such a visible difference between a raider from the previous expansion and someone who soloed through it.

[Zhern]

Cusashorn wrote:

Sulena@Antonia Bayle wrote:

paineel is laggy because of all the effects but the rest of the expansion should not be and if you are getting lag try turning your graphics down temp.

There's a big difference between visual lag (Your side) and server performance lag (Their side). The lag in this case is a delay during combat when you're firing off spells. It just doesn't flow smoothly, and there's nothing YOU can do to remedy it.

It's always been this case when new expansions come out. So many people flock to the new areas that they create multiple instances of the same zone, effectively putting 2-3-4-500 people in one zone. The lag created disipates as people ease off, but I know the exact same thing happened in Moors when TSO came out.

That said, I say you should count your blessings. The Digital Download hasn't even been released yet. That's just gonna cause an even LARGER influx of players to the areas.

I agree. Last night on AB, there were 6 instances of the same zone. I haven't seen that in a very long time. But it was lag, lag, lag..................................

[GlitterPaws]

shaunfletcher wrote:

Kizee wrote:

I was more put off on how easy everything is than the lag.

Pulling whole rooms of orange heroics and bearly having to heal? Yeahhhh.

What on earth are you wearing? We are a conj and swash in T1 shard and a room full of orange heroics would slaughter us like lambs.

E-peeners, Shaunfletcher. The forums are littered with E-peeners.  Normal for post-expansion....should tail off after about 2 weeks. The poor spelling in so many posts amuses me more than the outrageous claims. ))

[Galithdor]

I'm only getting the normal ocassional AB lag, otherwise, nothing.......

[Rahatmattata]

Half of you are talking about network lag, the other half are talking about fps lag. If I'm getting 60fps and pushing buttons on my keyboard and nothing happens for 5 seconds, I don't think lowering my graphic settings so I'm getting 110fps is going to help.

[Kizee]

shaunfletcher wrote:

Kizee wrote:

I was more put off on how easy everything is than the lag.

Pulling whole rooms of orange heroics and bearly having to heal? Yeahhhh.

What on earth are you wearing? We are a conj and swash in T1 shard and a room full of orange heroics would slaughter us like lambs.

Get a t2-t3 geared tank thats worth something and go try it.

[Thunderthyze]

Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:

The current bar is T1 armor and Adept abilities.  It's only in SF that there's such a visible difference between a raider from the previous expansion and someone who soloed through it.

Maybe SOE should consider not leaving 18 months between expansions next time then? Seems to me that there are the "casuals" (and I use this word in a non derogatory way) who are in (maybe) T1 and (mostly) Ad3 with (possibly) a fabled epic, and then there are those with their mains at least in adorned T3/T4, fully mastered w/Myth, with relatively few people in between these extremes. I would suggest that at least half of the current population (ie those on 7 day pre release) is carving through the content like a hot knife through butter.

If you were the least interested in raiding, 18 months meant you will have got all the gear you could resonably want and have ended up being hopelessly overpowered for the expansion. SF is truly the expansion for the slack raider.

[Rahatmattata]

The "current bar" is not based on T1 shard armor because the devs don't expect players leveling up to be able to get a set of T1 shard armor and farm TSO zones before leveling through T9. There isn't enough population to do so. I would estimate a player of average knowledge of how to play eq2 would do fine with mastercrafted and adepts. Most decent players could get away with treasured gear and app1.

In RoK I had a 70 illusionist restored that was naked and I was broke on all my characters. I started questing in KP naked and did fine. Granted that's because I was playing an illusionist, but still. You really don't need anything decent to kill any solo content in the game.

[Saihung23]

Rahatmattata wrote:

The "current bar" is not based on T1 shard armor because the devs don't expect players leveling up to be able to get a set of T1 shard armor and farm TSO zones before leveling through T9. There isn't enough population to do so. I would estimate a player of average knowledge of how to play eq2 would do fine with mastercrafted and adepts. Most decent players could get away with treasured gear and app1.

In RoK I had a 70 illusionist restored that was naked and I was broke on all my characters. I started questing in KP naked and did fine. Granted that's because I was playing an illusionist, but still. You really don't need anything decent to kill any solo content in the game.

I am of less than average knowledge   

But I am having success in SF with my Ranger in mastercrafted level 77 armor, and adepts.  All my new abilities are sitting at apprentice level.

Its not hard, you just have to remember what got you there and stick to your strategies.  And take your time.