Server Transfer Policy | PVP - PVE

EQ2Player · 02-13-2010, 07:05 AM

Sony,

Time has passed and I have decided I no longer want to play EQ2 in a PVP environment. I would prefer to continue playing the game for its PVE content. Because of your server transfer policy which doesn't permit transfers off the server, I've elected to quit EQ2. My only option is to delete characters and start over. This is unacceptable due to the investment I have in crafters/characters.

I'd gladly pay for tranfers OFF the pvp server. Don't care anything about titles, pvp gear, etc. Simply strip away PVP related character items. Unfortunately this isn't possible. Instead, this policy is costing EQ2 12 character transfers at $25ea and a customer paying $29.99/mo.

I hope you reevaluate this policy some time in the future and find better ways to accomodate your customers changing playstyles.

Brigh · 02-13-2010, 08:30 AM

The forum isn't the place to put an open letter.

The policy is in place because PVP coding is different than PVE coding.

They can not simply transfer like they do PVE>PVE.

Macross_JR · 02-13-2010, 10:29 AM

Brigh wrote:

The forum isn't the place to put an open letter.
The policy is in place because PVP coding is different than PVE coding.
They can not simply transfer like they do PVE>PVE.

As much as I don't agree with transfering off of PVP and what not, it has nothing to do with the code. How can you have a beta with copied toons from PVP and PVE if it was a coding issue?

Brigh · 02-13-2010, 12:25 PM

Githil@Permafrost wrote:

Brigh wrote:
The forum isn't the place to put an open letter.
The policy is in place because PVP coding is different than PVE coding.
They can not simply transfer like they do PVE>PVE.
As much as I don't agree with transfering off of PVP and what not, it has nothing to do with the code. How can you have a beta with copied toons from PVP and PVE if it was a coding issue?

I am only saying what they have said in the past.

Beef_Supre · 02-13-2010, 01:19 PM

I'm with the OP on this subject.

If it's not a straight-up coding issue that is just completely insurmountable, then by all means.. allow PvP characters (stripped of the things that do not exist on a PvE server) to transfer to PvE. Who the hell would be bothered by that?

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.. I gave thought to trying out PvP when I first started too, but I don't think I would have been content with it forever. While starting new on a server has some draws of its own (fresh, clean, beginnings are kind of fun in a weird way), I can certainly sympathize with the OP's plight. He has crafters leveled as well as Adv. classes, and has no desire to begin that whole process once more.

As a player on a PvE server, I would have absolutely zero issue with a character coming over from Nagafen. Provided he loses any advantage gained from PvP gear, how does it bother anyone? I don't get it.

If it IS a coding issue, and it's just not possible, that's a whole different matter. May be they just didn't find it cost effective to spend the time sorting through a character's PvP/PvE gear? I dunno. Seems like a pretty straightforward thing to me.

Payneal The Great · 02-13-2010, 01:23 PM

I AGREE! If you are Leaving the PVP server it should be okay.

Wingrider01 · 02-13-2010, 03:20 PM

Steel@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I'm with the OP on this subject.
If it's not a straight-up coding issue that is just completely insurmountable, then by all means.. allow PvP characters (stripped of the things that do not exist on a PvE server) to transfer to PvE. Who the hell would be bothered by that?
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.. I gave thought to trying out PvP when I first started too, but I don't think I would have been content with it forever. While starting new on a server has some draws of its own (fresh, clean, beginnings are kind of fun in a weird way), I can certainly sympathize with the OP's plight. He has crafters leveled as well as Adv. classes, and has no desire to begin that whole process once more.
As a player on a PvE server, I would have absolutely zero issue with a character coming over from Nagafen. Provided he loses any advantage gained from PvP gear, how does it bother anyone? I don't get it.
If it IS a coding issue, and it's just not possible, that's a whole different matter. May be they just didn't find it cost effective to spend the time sorting through a character's PvP/PvE gear? I dunno. Seems like a pretty straightforward thing to me.

would agree - transfer naked with no bank outside of house items

Yes it has been said before that it is a coding issue.

Seiffil · 02-13-2010, 04:03 PM

Githil@Permafrost wrote:

Brigh wrote:
The forum isn't the place to put an open letter.
The policy is in place because PVP coding is different than PVE coding.
They can not simply transfer like they do PVE>PVE.
As much as I don't agree with transfering off of PVP and what not, it has nothing to do with the code. How can you have a beta with copied toons from PVP and PVE if it was a coding issue?

I'm pretty certain they've said the reason they've mentioned that test copy and beta can have characters from both PVP and PVE on them is they are actually coded as PVP servers, with the pvp functionality turned off most of the time.

Gisallo · 02-13-2010, 04:11 PM

EQ2Player wrote:

Sony,
Time has passed and I have decided I no longer want to play EQ2 in a PVP environment. I would prefer to continue playing the game for its PVE content. Because of your server transfer policy which doesn't permit transfers off the server, I've elected to quit EQ2. My only option is to delete characters and start over. This is unacceptable due to the investment I have in crafters/characters.
I'd gladly pay for tranfers OFF the pvp server. Don't care anything about titles, pvp gear, etc. Simply strip away PVP related character items. Unfortunately this isn't possible. Instead, this policy is costing EQ2 12 character transfers at $25ea and a customer paying $29.99/mo.
I hope you reevaluate this policy some time in the future and find better ways to accomodate your customers changing playstyles.

It is and isn't a coding issue. Could they do it? Yes but look at the head aches. Either A) allow PvP gear (which is pretty kick butt in many respects) to transfer with the toon putting PvEers at a disadvantage or simple major envy issue. B) make the toon transfer naked due to the different mechanics and stats on gear and have the people cry "why did I transfer anyway, everything I worked for is gone?!?!?!". Rather than create either one of these headaches its simply easier for them to so "nope", and I can't say I blame them.

As for Beta, that is a custom testing environment that is not designed for longterm server continuity or community health. Yeah you can make a server that is PvE/PvP like Beta but EQ2 never has had that and never will. You have PvE servers, PvP servers and now battle ground. To try and compare a Beta to Live server is like trying to compare a concept car to what you can buy at the dealer.

Eveningsong · 02-13-2010, 04:26 PM

Both PvE and PvP can copy to the Test_Copy server with no issues, and both will be able to play the same Battlegrounds. I presume there are issues other than pure coding (which have obviously been fixed in other situations) for not allowing transfers. Hopefully if they can iron out all the data issues with BGs it may open the way to transfers between the server types.

msgnomer · 02-13-2010, 04:30 PM

Gisallo wrot

Either A) allow PvP gear (which is pretty kick butt in many respects) to transfer with the toon putting PvEers at a disadvantage or simple major envy issue. B) make the toon transfer naked due to the different mechanics and stats on gear and have the people cry "why did I transfer anyway, everything I worked for is gone?!?!?!". Rather than create either one of these headaches its simply easier for them to so "nope", and I can't say I blame them.

Maybe option "C" would be to transfer with coin only. That way, players could sell off their stuff before the transfer and have some coin to replace with server apporpriate gear on their new server.

TheSpin · 02-13-2010, 06:19 PM

I play pve... I think if you could filter out pvp exclusive items characters should be able to transfer to pve. I don't think the other way around is ok because pvp players have a harder time leveling up.

You can't just transfer them naked because there are quest rewards that they may never be able to obtain again on the new server. If a character has their mythical on pvp and they transferred naked, they would either never be able to get a mythical again, which is unfair to that player, OR they would be able to repeat a quest they've already completed, which is unfair to the other players.

02-13-2010, 07:05 AM	#1
EQ2Player Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 116	Sony, Time has passed and I have decided I no longer want to play EQ2 in a PVP environment. I would prefer to continue playing the game for its PVE content. Because of your server transfer policy which doesn't permit transfers off the server, I've elected to quit EQ2. My only option is to delete characters and start over. This is unacceptable due to the investment I have in crafters/characters. I'd gladly pay for tranfers OFF the pvp server. Don't care anything about titles, pvp gear, etc. Simply strip away PVP related character items. Unfortunately this isn't possible. Instead, this policy is costing EQ2 12 character transfers at $25ea and a customer paying $29.99/mo. I hope you reevaluate this policy some time in the future and find better ways to accomodate your customers changing playstyles. __________________ Nagafen Player ;-/

02-13-2010, 08:30 AM	#2
Brigh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,159	The forum isn't the place to put an open letter. The policy is in place because PVP coding is different than PVE coding. They can not simply transfer like they do PVE>PVE. __________________ Anything you can achieve through hard work, you can also just buy. -Stephen Colbert CoD3 double XP Rank Up promotion lesson for kids

02-13-2010, 10:29 AM	#3
Macross_JR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 547	Brigh wrote: The forum isn't the place to put an open letter. The policy is in place because PVP coding is different than PVE coding. They can not simply transfer like they do PVE>PVE. As much as I don't agree with transfering off of PVP and what not, it has nothing to do with the code. How can you have a beta with copied toons from PVP and PVE if it was a coding issue? __________________

02-13-2010, 12:25 PM	#4
Brigh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,159	Githil@Permafrost wrote: Brigh wrote: The forum isn't the place to put an open letter. The policy is in place because PVP coding is different than PVE coding. They can not simply transfer like they do PVE>PVE. As much as I don't agree with transfering off of PVP and what not, it has nothing to do with the code. How can you have a beta with copied toons from PVP and PVE if it was a coding issue? I am only saying what they have said in the past. __________________ Anything you can achieve through hard work, you can also just buy. -Stephen Colbert CoD3 double XP Rank Up promotion lesson for kids

02-13-2010, 01:19 PM	#5
Beef_Supre General Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 552	I'm with the OP on this subject. If it's not a straight-up coding issue that is just completely insurmountable, then by all means.. allow PvP characters (stripped of the things that do not exist on a PvE server) to transfer to PvE. Who the hell would be bothered by that? Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.. I gave thought to trying out PvP when I first started too, but I don't think I would have been content with it forever. While starting new on a server has some draws of its own (fresh, clean, beginnings are kind of fun in a weird way), I can certainly sympathize with the OP's plight. He has crafters leveled as well as Adv. classes, and has no desire to begin that whole process once more. As a player on a PvE server, I would have absolutely zero issue with a character coming over from Nagafen. Provided he loses any advantage gained from PvP gear, how does it bother anyone? I don't get it. If it IS a coding issue, and it's just not possible, that's a whole different matter. May be they just didn't find it cost effective to spend the time sorting through a character's PvP/PvE gear? I dunno. Seems like a pretty straightforward thing to me. __________________ http://big-beef-mcquaid.mybrute.com

02-13-2010, 01:23 PM	#6
Payneal The Great Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 166	I AGREE! If you are Leaving the PVP server it should be okay. __________________ Dear Devs, please nerf rock.., paper is fine. Yours Truly, Scissors!

02-13-2010, 03:20 PM	#7
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	Steel@Antonia Bayle wrote: I'm with the OP on this subject. If it's not a straight-up coding issue that is just completely insurmountable, then by all means.. allow PvP characters (stripped of the things that do not exist on a PvE server) to transfer to PvE. Who the hell would be bothered by that? Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.. I gave thought to trying out PvP when I first started too, but I don't think I would have been content with it forever. While starting new on a server has some draws of its own (fresh, clean, beginnings are kind of fun in a weird way), I can certainly sympathize with the OP's plight. He has crafters leveled as well as Adv. classes, and has no desire to begin that whole process once more. As a player on a PvE server, I would have absolutely zero issue with a character coming over from Nagafen. Provided he loses any advantage gained from PvP gear, how does it bother anyone? I don't get it. If it IS a coding issue, and it's just not possible, that's a whole different matter. May be they just didn't find it cost effective to spend the time sorting through a character's PvP/PvE gear? I dunno. Seems like a pretty straightforward thing to me. would agree - transfer naked with no bank outside of house items Yes it has been said before that it is a coding issue. __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

02-13-2010, 04:03 PM	#8
Seiffil Server: Permafrost Guild: Grievance Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 854	Githil@Permafrost wrote: Brigh wrote: The forum isn't the place to put an open letter. The policy is in place because PVP coding is different than PVE coding. They can not simply transfer like they do PVE>PVE. As much as I don't agree with transfering off of PVP and what not, it has nothing to do with the code. How can you have a beta with copied toons from PVP and PVE if it was a coding issue? I'm pretty certain they've said the reason they've mentioned that test copy and beta can have characters from both PVP and PVE on them is they are actually coded as PVP servers, with the pvp functionality turned off most of the time.

02-13-2010, 04:11 PM	#9
Gisallo Server: Lucan DLere Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,910	EQ2Player wrote: Sony, Time has passed and I have decided I no longer want to play EQ2 in a PVP environment. I would prefer to continue playing the game for its PVE content. Because of your server transfer policy which doesn't permit transfers off the server, I've elected to quit EQ2. My only option is to delete characters and start over. This is unacceptable due to the investment I have in crafters/characters. I'd gladly pay for tranfers OFF the pvp server. Don't care anything about titles, pvp gear, etc. Simply strip away PVP related character items. Unfortunately this isn't possible. Instead, this policy is costing EQ2 12 character transfers at $25ea and a customer paying $29.99/mo. I hope you reevaluate this policy some time in the future and find better ways to accomodate your customers changing playstyles. It is and isn't a coding issue. Could they do it? Yes but look at the head aches. Either A) allow PvP gear (which is pretty kick butt in many respects) to transfer with the toon putting PvEers at a disadvantage or simple major envy issue. B) make the toon transfer naked due to the different mechanics and stats on gear and have the people cry "why did I transfer anyway, everything I worked for is gone?!?!?!". Rather than create either one of these headaches its simply easier for them to so "nope", and I can't say I blame them. As for Beta, that is a custom testing environment that is not designed for longterm server continuity or community health. Yeah you can make a server that is PvE/PvP like Beta but EQ2 never has had that and never will. You have PvE servers, PvP servers and now battle ground. To try and compare a Beta to Live server is like trying to compare a concept car to what you can buy at the dealer. __________________

02-13-2010, 04:26 PM	#10
Eveningsong Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,844	Both PvE and PvP can copy to the Test_Copy server with no issues, and both will be able to play the same Battlegrounds. I presume there are issues other than pure coding (which have obviously been fixed in other situations) for not allowing transfers. Hopefully if they can iron out all the data issues with BGs it may open the way to transfers between the server types.

02-13-2010, 04:30 PM	#11
msgnomer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 825	Gisallo wrot Either A) allow PvP gear (which is pretty kick butt in many respects) to transfer with the toon putting PvEers at a disadvantage or simple major envy issue. B) make the toon transfer naked due to the different mechanics and stats on gear and have the people cry "why did I transfer anyway, everything I worked for is gone?!?!?!". Rather than create either one of these headaches its simply easier for them to so "nope", and I can't say I blame them. Maybe option "C" would be to transfer with coin only. That way, players could sell off their stuff before the transfer and have some coin to replace with server apporpriate gear on their new server. __________________ Please visit my dungeons by Hedvika on AB: Hall of Fame: Help Feed the Dragons! (No, you won't be the food!) Look for Poet's Dungeon: The Mad Poet's Release returning soon. ---------- Aluriel's chronicle of a scavanger hunt through 50 player decorated homes and guildhalls:.... http://photobucket.com/AlurielsAdventure

02-13-2010, 06:19 PM	#12
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	I play pve... I think if you could filter out pvp exclusive items characters should be able to transfer to pve. I don't think the other way around is ok because pvp players have a harder time leveling up. You can't just transfer them naked because there are quest rewards that they may never be able to obtain again on the new server. If a character has their mythical on pvp and they transferred naked, they would either never be able to get a mythical again, which is unfair to that player, OR they would be able to repeat a quest they've already completed, which is unfair to the other players.