ultimate buffbot ?

Grobi · 06-29-2009, 03:49 PM

i have some concerns about the the new plan to make all bard buffs raid wide. point 1 is who needs more than 2bards for a raid anymore our dps is kinda meh even with nice raidgear , if we dont get a new mysth weapon version we loose tons of dps from or weapon proc ( dirge ) , kinda looks like we will left out for higher dps classes.

my point 2 is even if we have a raidspot we will prolly stay the whole raid in the background as buffbot becouse who can afford to loose all the buffs for the raid becouse the bard died.

sure we have to wait till the stuff hits test but its looks kinda bad in my opinion at the moment.

Asif · 06-29-2009, 04:37 PM

Well for me i am just going to sit back and see how this plays out.

My main is my Troub and i DONT plan on making any other toon my main i was playing this toon way before we were the flavor for raiding.

As far as being buff bots not for me i will always try and do my best given what is needed.

With our myth i kinda figured that it would not be upgraded anyway.

My only hope is we dont get nerfed to much but time will tell.

Raahl · 06-29-2009, 04:46 PM

Asif wrote:

Well for me i am just going to sit back and see how this plays out.

That's a good stance to take. Until we see the actual changes, we will not know how it will affect the classes.

Lady Shai · 06-29-2009, 05:43 PM

Really its the best thing to do is sit back and wait till things start happening before we al start crying wolf and that the sky is falling. Take a deep breath and lets see what is actually done...talk is cheap and they have only just started.

I wrote this in the other post but still applies here:

Lady Shai wrote:

Raahl wrote:
BTW - I expect that Bards have just as much to complain about as their Rogue brothers do.
From: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=454003
"A lot of support classes (bards/Chanters) are having their abilities refined to reduce the need for multiples in a raid. More buffs are being made multi-use or raid wide."
So now 1 Troubador and 1 Dirge per raid. Think of all those bards who are going to be sitting on the sideline.
I see nothing about revamping/repairing the Fighter classes.
I'm sure they will find a way to yet again nerf the Ranger class.
Well, from my understanding of what was said earlier at FF, is that the bards will be able to use a group only single-target buff on a non-grouped, in raid member. So there will still be multi bards needed imho... same for chanters. TC, and so on will be cast on members not in group but in another part of the raid.
What it looks to me like they are doing is to not make the group setup so mandatory as it is now.. ie. MUST have bard in MT group, or MUST have chanter with scouts etc . The buffs they have wont be over the entire raid, but on one person in the raid, who doesnt HAVE to be in the group like they are now for most part.
Maybe I misunderstood... its been known to happen. But from everything I have read and listened to from people who were there, this is what I got from it.

Raahl · 06-29-2009, 05:53 PM

Lady Shai wrote:

Really its the best thing to do is sit back and wait till things start happening before we al start crying wolf and that the sky is falling. Take a deep breath and lets see what is actually done...talk is cheap and they have only just started.

Generally that's a good suggestion. But a lot of people have lost faith in Sony's ability to implement changes without messing things up.

I'll keep a wait and see attitude. And I will get my test characters setup to try and catch any changes first hand vs. from someone else on the forums.

Asif · 06-30-2009, 12:57 PM

I am just wondering what will happen to our raid wide POTM from our myth i know for best results you need 2 troubs to keep this up and running for the raid?

BaronVonPitviper · 07-01-2009, 08:04 AM

You really cannot deny Bards (and chanters) have been living in the lime light for so long, I doubt you're going to find much sympathy or support from the community in regards to the raid wide buff issue/plan. In fact you may find yourselves the focus of much anger and jealousy from your brothers and sisters of norrath since the devs are even considering culling your herds.

Asif · 07-01-2009, 01:41 PM

BaronVonPitviper wrote:

You really cannot deny Bards (and chanters) have been living in the lime light for so long, I doubt you're going to find much sympathy or support from the community in regards to the raid wide buff issue/plan. In fact you may find yourselves the focus of much anger and jealousy from your brothers and sisters of norrath since the devs are even considering culling your herds.

Wow who the heck are you why would you come here a post crap like that please stay on your board.

You come here and make it sound like it was our fault which it was not !!!!!

Maybe you should have checked to see what class would be most wanted in a raid like i did 4 years ago and rolled one instead of the class you did( which i guess you are not happy with like thats our fault )

Grobi · 07-01-2009, 01:49 PM

BaronVonPitviper wrote:

You really cannot deny Bards (and chanters) have been living in the lime light for so long, I doubt you're going to find much sympathy or support from the community in regards to the raid wide buff issue/plan. In fact you may find yourselves the focus of much anger and jealousy from your brothers and sisters of norrath since the devs are even considering culling your herds.

so you say we should be quite and take all the chances becouse we were able to raid and now its time to step back ?

you know my main was a bruiser for a while but to be able to get a raidspot i had to reroll , i dont think that i will change again becouse the devs try to change the system after 5 years. at least they have to give us some nice dps boost , becouse the only thing we can do good is buffing and there is nothing else to bring us to a raid.

BaronVonPitviper · 07-01-2009, 02:19 PM

LOL, this is the general scout board bud.

awww matey, I dont hate bards. I wish you luck, just saying what peeps are thinking SMILEY

Wilderbeast25 · 07-01-2009, 02:30 PM

BaronVonPitviper wrote:

You really cannot deny Bards (and chanters) have been living in the lime light for so long, I doubt you're going to find much sympathy or support from the community in regards to the raid wide buff issue/plan. In fact you may find yourselves the focus of much anger and jealousy from your brothers and sisters of norrath since the devs are even considering culling your herds.

Thank you for your troll... It makes my days happy and my heart rejoice to see someone that has such a shortsighted vision of the future.Ah yes the bards that have helped so many achieve their raid dps goals now being cast aside. It is funny isn’t it?Here is to you! Because you are needed so much that guilds want to bring more of you to a raid. Oh wait… They still don’t.Well thanks for sharing your thoughts anyway. Our collective IQs went up just from hearing that.

thecynic315 · 07-01-2009, 06:47 PM

Raid wide buffs for bards means you now take 2 Dirges and 2 Troubs always.

Why?

Cause Bards have more buffs then Conslots so with 2 of each Bard you have ALL buffs up at once, 8 People who can get BC/UT. and with the right gear CoB and PotM is always up.

Merge buffs so you only need 1 of each...well youll still want BC/UT on 8 poeple and CoB/PotM always up.

So yeah 2 points for effort and about -10000000000000000000000000 for actualy thinking though how this stuff will work.

What SOE needs to do is make the less wanted class SUCK LESS!

Grobi · 07-01-2009, 07:34 PM

Androw@Najena wrote:

Raid wide buffs for bards means you now take 2 Dirges and 2 Troubs always.
Why?
Cause Bards have more buffs then Conslots so with 2 of each Bard you have ALL buffs up at once, 8 People who can get BC/UT. and with the right gear CoB and PotM is always up.
Merge buffs so you only need 1 of each...well youll still want BC/UT on 8 poeple and CoB/PotM always up.
So yeah 2 points for effort and about -10000000000000000000000000 for actualy thinking though how this stuff will work.
What SOE needs to do is make the less wanted class SUCK LESS!

wrong only 1 person per group can get the buff bc /ut same with ia , with the set bonus you have not much of a buff left to run ( sometimes the resist or regen ) and only to bring 2 like for perma cob you can prolly bring a t1 dps for way more dmg than the second bard.

thecynic315 · 07-01-2009, 08:10 PM

Grobi wrote:

Androw@Najena wrote:
Raid wide buffs for bards means you now take 2 Dirges and 2 Troubs always.
Why?
Cause Bards have more buffs then Conslots so with 2 of each Bard you have ALL buffs up at once, 8 People who can get BC/UT. and with the right gear CoB and PotM is always up.
Merge buffs so you only need 1 of each...well youll still want BC/UT on 8 poeple and CoB/PotM always up.
So yeah 2 points for effort and about -10000000000000000000000000 for actualy thinking though how this stuff will work.
What SOE needs to do is make the less wanted class SUCK LESS!
wrong only 1 person per group can get the buff bc /ut same with ia , with the set bonus you have not much of a buff left to run ( sometimes the resist or regen ) and only to bring 2 like for perma cob you can prolly bring a t1 dps for way more dmg than the second bard.

IA/TC is becoming 1 person/group therefore BC/UT should dang well become 1 person/group as well. Also I'd suggest checking in with the high-end bards over on Flames. Perma CoB/PotM with 5set bonus or T2 shard gear = win. Oh and if you CAN have all buffs up at once raids can/will be created with this in mind so since the mechanics Dev never talkes to the Raid dev and neither of them talk to the Item dev you can be sure that having 4 Bards will still be a great idea with Raid wide buffs

06-29-2009, 04:46 PM	#3
Raahl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,792	Asif wrote: Well for me i am just going to sit back and see how this plays out. That's a good stance to take. Until we see the actual changes, we will not know how it will affect the classes. __________________ R.I.P. Najena Cougaar - 90 Dirge Corwin - 90 Guardian Raahl - 30 something Templar Kilped - 70'ish Ranger

06-29-2009, 05:43 PM	#4
Lady Shai Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kelethin Posts: 260	Really its the best thing to do is sit back and wait till things start happening before we al start crying wolf and that the sky is falling. Take a deep breath and lets see what is actually done...talk is cheap and they have only just started. I wrote this in the other post but still applies here: Lady Shai wrote: Raahl wrote: BTW - I expect that Bards have just as much to complain about as their Rogue brothers do. From: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=454003 "A lot of support classes (bards/Chanters) are having their abilities refined to reduce the need for multiples in a raid. More buffs are being made multi-use or raid wide." So now 1 Troubador and 1 Dirge per raid. Think of all those bards who are going to be sitting on the sideline. I see nothing about revamping/repairing the Fighter classes. I'm sure they will find a way to yet again nerf the Ranger class. Well, from my understanding of what was said earlier at FF, is that the bards will be able to use a group only single-target buff on a non-grouped, in raid member. So there will still be multi bards needed imho... same for chanters. TC, and so on will be cast on members not in group but in another part of the raid. What it looks to me like they are doing is to not make the group setup so mandatory as it is now.. ie. MUST have bard in MT group, or MUST have chanter with scouts etc . The buffs they have wont be over the entire raid, but on one person in the raid, who doesnt HAVE to be in the group like they are now for most part. Maybe I misunderstood... its been known to happen. But from everything I have read and listened to from people who were there, this is what I got from it.

06-29-2009, 05:53 PM	#5
Raahl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,792	Lady Shai wrote: Really its the best thing to do is sit back and wait till things start happening before we al start crying wolf and that the sky is falling. Take a deep breath and lets see what is actually done...talk is cheap and they have only just started. Generally that's a good suggestion. But a lot of people have lost faith in Sony's ability to implement changes without messing things up. I'll keep a wait and see attitude. And I will get my test characters setup to try and catch any changes first hand vs. from someone else on the forums. __________________ R.I.P. Najena Cougaar - 90 Dirge Corwin - 90 Guardian Raahl - 30 something Templar Kilped - 70'ish Ranger

07-01-2009, 08:04 AM	#7
BaronVonPitviper Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 267	You really cannot deny Bards (and chanters) have been living in the lime light for so long, I doubt you're going to find much sympathy or support from the community in regards to the raid wide buff issue/plan. In fact you may find yourselves the focus of much anger and jealousy from your brothers and sisters of norrath since the devs are even considering culling your herds. __________________ Daags Dread Swashbuckler Weaponsmith ~ Tinker Amenta Splitpaw

07-01-2009, 01:41 PM	#8
Asif Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 391	BaronVonPitviper wrote: You really cannot deny Bards (and chanters) have been living in the lime light for so long, I doubt you're going to find much sympathy or support from the community in regards to the raid wide buff issue/plan. In fact you may find yourselves the focus of much anger and jealousy from your brothers and sisters of norrath since the devs are even considering culling your herds. Wow who the heck are you why would you come here a post crap like that please stay on your board. You come here and make it sound like it was our fault which it was not !!!!! Maybe you should have checked to see what class would be most wanted in a raid like i did 4 years ago and rolled one instead of the class you did( which i guess you are not happy with like thats our fault )

06-29-2009, 03:49 PM	#1
Grobi Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 72	i have some concerns about the the new plan to make all bard buffs raid wide. point 1 is who needs more than 2bards for a raid anymore our dps is kinda meh even with nice raidgear , if we dont get a new mysth weapon version we loose tons of dps from or weapon proc ( dirge ) , kinda looks like we will left out for higher dps classes. my point 2 is even if we have a raidspot we will prolly stay the whole raid in the background as buffbot becouse who can afford to loose all the buffs for the raid becouse the bard died. sure we have to wait till the stuff hits test but its looks kinda bad in my opinion at the moment.

06-29-2009, 04:37 PM	#2
Asif Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 391	Well for me i am just going to sit back and see how this plays out. My main is my Troub and i DONT plan on making any other toon my main i was playing this toon way before we were the flavor for raiding. As far as being buff bots not for me i will always try and do my best given what is needed. With our myth i kinda figured that it would not be upgraded anyway. My only hope is we dont get nerfed to much but time will tell.

06-30-2009, 12:57 PM	#6
Asif Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 391	I am just wondering what will happen to our raid wide POTM from our myth i know for best results you need 2 troubs to keep this up and running for the raid?

07-01-2009, 01:49 PM	#9
Grobi Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 72	BaronVonPitviper wrote: You really cannot deny Bards (and chanters) have been living in the lime light for so long, I doubt you're going to find much sympathy or support from the community in regards to the raid wide buff issue/plan. In fact you may find yourselves the focus of much anger and jealousy from your brothers and sisters of norrath since the devs are even considering culling your herds. so you say we should be quite and take all the chances becouse we were able to raid and now its time to step back ? you know my main was a bruiser for a while but to be able to get a raidspot i had to reroll , i dont think that i will change again becouse the devs try to change the system after 5 years. at least they have to give us some nice dps boost , becouse the only thing we can do good is buffing and there is nothing else to bring us to a raid.

07-01-2009, 02:19 PM	#10
BaronVonPitviper Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 267	LOL, this is the general scout board bud. awww matey, I dont hate bards. I wish you luck, just saying what peeps are thinking __________________ Daags Dread Swashbuckler Weaponsmith ~ Tinker Amenta Splitpaw

07-01-2009, 02:30 PM	#11
Wilderbeast25 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 109	BaronVonPitviper wrote: You really cannot deny Bards (and chanters) have been living in the lime light for so long, I doubt you're going to find much sympathy or support from the community in regards to the raid wide buff issue/plan. In fact you may find yourselves the focus of much anger and jealousy from your brothers and sisters of norrath since the devs are even considering culling your herds. Thank you for your troll... It makes my days happy and my heart rejoice to see someone that has such a shortsighted vision of the future.Ah yes the bards that have helped so many achieve their raid dps goals now being cast aside. It is funny isn’t it?Here is to you! Because you are needed so much that guilds want to bring more of you to a raid. Oh wait… They still don’t.Well thanks for sharing your thoughts anyway. Our collective IQs went up just from hearing that. __________________ *************************** LvL 92 Troubador LvL 92 Paladin x2 LvL 92 Monk LvL 92 Conjuror LvL 92 Mystic LvL 92 Templar LvL 92 Brigand LvL 90 Beastlord ***************************

07-01-2009, 06:47 PM	#12
thecynic315 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 454	Raid wide buffs for bards means you now take 2 Dirges and 2 Troubs always. Why? Cause Bards have more buffs then Conslots so with 2 of each Bard you have ALL buffs up at once, 8 People who can get BC/UT. and with the right gear CoB and PotM is always up. Merge buffs so you only need 1 of each...well youll still want BC/UT on 8 poeple and CoB/PotM always up. So yeah 2 points for effort and about -10000000000000000000000000 for actualy thinking though how this stuff will work. What SOE needs to do is make the less wanted class SUCK LESS! __________________ I QUIT once EQ2x came about!

07-01-2009, 07:34 PM	#13
Grobi Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 72	Androw@Najena wrote: Raid wide buffs for bards means you now take 2 Dirges and 2 Troubs always. Why? Cause Bards have more buffs then Conslots so with 2 of each Bard you have ALL buffs up at once, 8 People who can get BC/UT. and with the right gear CoB and PotM is always up. Merge buffs so you only need 1 of each...well youll still want BC/UT on 8 poeple and CoB/PotM always up. So yeah 2 points for effort and about -10000000000000000000000000 for actualy thinking though how this stuff will work. What SOE needs to do is make the less wanted class SUCK LESS! wrong only 1 person per group can get the buff bc /ut same with ia , with the set bonus you have not much of a buff left to run ( sometimes the resist or regen ) and only to bring 2 like for perma cob you can prolly bring a t1 dps for way more dmg than the second bard.

07-01-2009, 08:10 PM	#14
thecynic315 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 454	Grobi wrote: Androw@Najena wrote: Raid wide buffs for bards means you now take 2 Dirges and 2 Troubs always. Why? Cause Bards have more buffs then Conslots so with 2 of each Bard you have ALL buffs up at once, 8 People who can get BC/UT. and with the right gear CoB and PotM is always up. Merge buffs so you only need 1 of each...well youll still want BC/UT on 8 poeple and CoB/PotM always up. So yeah 2 points for effort and about -10000000000000000000000000 for actualy thinking though how this stuff will work. What SOE needs to do is make the less wanted class SUCK LESS! wrong only 1 person per group can get the buff bc /ut same with ia , with the set bonus you have not much of a buff left to run ( sometimes the resist or regen ) and only to bring 2 like for perma cob you can prolly bring a t1 dps for way more dmg than the second bard. IA/TC is becoming 1 person/group therefore BC/UT should dang well become 1 person/group as well. Also I'd suggest checking in with the high-end bards over on Flames. Perma CoB/PotM with 5set bonus or T2 shard gear = win. Oh and if you CAN have all buffs up at once raids can/will be created with this in mind so since the mechanics Dev never talkes to the Raid dev and neither of them talk to the Item dev you can be sure that having 4 Bards will still be a great idea with Raid wide buffs __________________ I QUIT once EQ2x came about!