No trade items have made the broker and plat pointless, discuss

[TwistedFaith]

I remember when the game first came out checking the broker and actually seeing loot I wanted there. With TSO there is no reason to check the broker except to check for masters you may need.

[thajo]

I suppose if you consider the broker your short-cut to not running instances or killing things for gear slots

I use the broker to sell all my random items that become excess and extra, check masters, look for shinies, find house items, buy books for my house, get potions, buy adornments,  buy food and drink.

Plat pointless?  I use plat to buy all the items listed above and to also maybe throw for other reasons, like chat auctions, rare expensive shiney perhaps, repairs...And I always kept a lot of extra plat for cool LoN items.  But im kinda broke now so I'm glad I bought all 50 or so that I wanted.  I've probably spent about 1000 plat on LoN mounts and atleast another 1000 or close on house items.  So I use plat just to make the experience more fun/enjoyable/silly w/e for me.

So I have to disagree with you. ;O

[TwistedFaith]

Dakkota@Unrest wrote:

I suppose if you consider the broker your short-cut to not running instances or killing things for gear slots

I use the broker to sell all my random items that become excess and extra, check masters, look for shinies, find house items, buy books for my house, get potions, buy adornments,  buy food and drink.

Plat pointless?  I use plat to buy all the items listed above and to also maybe throw for other reasons, like chat auctions, rare expensive shiney perhaps, repairs...And I always kept a lot of extra plat for cool LoN items.  But im kinda broke now so I'm glad I bought all 50 or so that I wanted.  I've probably spent about 1000 plat on LoN mounts and atleast another 1000 or close on house items.  So I use plat just to make the experience more fun/enjoyable/silly w/e for me.

So I have to disagree with you. ;O

I dont consider the broker a shortcut to running instances at all, I get gear from raiding. However there should be items available on the broker to buy, but since TSO there are none, why is that, it never used to be the case in previous expansions.

I am fully mastered and couldnt care less about house items so the broker is now totally pointless for me, and for most of my guildies.

For me plat is becoming more and more worthless, people have 1000's of plat and nothing to spend it on. LON can kiss my %$#% along with station cash.

[thajo]

Well, sorry you don't enjoy fluff content.  I can't get enough of it, LoN is a godsend to me.

[Beggon]

TwistedFaith wrote:

I dont consider the broker a shortcut to running instances at all, I get gear from raiding. However there should be items available on the broker to buy, but since TSO there are none, why is that, it never used to be the case in previous expansions.

I am fully mastered and couldnt care less about house items so the broker is now totally pointless for me, and for most of my guildies.

For me plat is becoming more and more worthless, people have 1000's of plat and nothing to spend it on. LON can kiss my %$#% along with station cash.

I am confused. In the OP you said you wanted more items on the borker to buy, but then you say you get your gear from raiding. Are you wanting raid gear to be available on the broker?? Otherwise I do not see what the issue is. There is already plenty of gear on the broker, just only a couple pieces of it are better than raid/ instance fabled.

What is it exactly that you want to see on the broker??

[M0rticia]

I'm level 80 and I still use the broker (buying and selling).

I don't buy gear on the broker because I get better items from raiding, running instances and, in some cases, questing. I do use the broker for master spells, house items, poisons, potions, adornments, collection quest items, silly illusion/fluff items and appearance gear. Plat isn't pointless because I need it to buy the items I need/want.

Master spells are a perfect example of why the broker and plat are still needed. Brigand master spells are few and far between. The last one I actually WON was on a raid two months ago (and I raid regularly). I need plat and the broker to upgrade my master spells. It's a lot faster to get spells that way instead of waiting for them to drop off a mob.

The broker doesn't have a lot of gear upgrades for me since I am an active adventurer/raider. The gear that is there is useful for casual players that don't raid, people that mostly solo, people leveling alts and people that are new to the game.

I don't think they need to remove no-trade status from items. If there is something you want, look it up on lootdb to see where it drops and start hitting that instance/zone as often as you can.

Keep an eye on level chat too. Plenty of people sell loot rights to items. Or tell people in level chat that you want to buy loot rights to XYZ item. I don't buy or sell gear this way but plenty of other people do and they advertise on the level channels all the time.

[Beggon]

M0rticia wrote:

 Brigand master spells are few and far between. The last one I actually WON was on a raid two months ago (and I raid regularly). I need plat and the broker to upgrade my master spells. It's a lot faster to get spells that way instead of waiting for them to drop off a mob.

quit buying the masters I need plz, tia

[M0rticia]

Ofifi@Unrest wrote:

M0rticia wrote:

 Brigand master spells are few and far between. The last one I actually WON was on a raid two months ago (and I raid regularly). I need plat and the broker to upgrade my master spells. It's a lot faster to get spells that way instead of waiting for them to drop off a mob.

quit buying the masters I need plz, tia

No way!

Since I'm so nice and because you are a fellow brigand, I'll let you know when I'm completely done with my master upgrades. Then you can start buying them for yourself. Please don't buy any until I let you know I'm done though. I only need four more.

[Beggon]

I hope I am allowed to buy snicker M1 cause I am not sure how we will ever beat the windstalker rumbler until i have that

[Amise]

TwistedFaith wrote:

I remember when the game first came out checking the broker and actually seeing loot I wanted there.

Yeah. That's because when the game first came out nobody had anything so everyone wanted what was on the broker.

Most people who regularly do heroic or raid content won't be buying much equipment for themselves on the broker. I don't see the problem.

If the point is supposed to be that no-trade is bad, I totally disagree. I think bad is the immense glut of items we would now have if no-trade hadn't been implemented.

[Nebbie]

I never played EQ1 so I cannot confirm this, but I heard that one of the reasons for high inflation in eq1 was because of too many tradeable items.  Anyone know if this is just an opinion or if there is any truth to this?

[The_Cheeseman]

Personally, I also liked the fact that original EQ2 used the No-Trade flag far less. I think attunable is important, because it keeps people from buying an item once and then passing it down to every one of their toons for the rest of their EQ2 career, but the only purpose of No-Trade is to keep loot exclusive. I don't know about other folks, but I feel really bad when my group ends up transmuting items like Carotidcutter or other extremely rare No-Trade items that are highly sought-after. I know there is probably somebody out there who'd give their left arm to have it, but since I play at really off-peak hours, nobody was online to buy the loot rights. Seems really sad that the item went to waste.

I think it would be really neat to have a game where No-Trade wasn't used at all. If you feel like selling your Mythical epic weapon instead of attuning it yourself, that should be your right, after all. You earned the item, it is yours to do with as you please. However, that having been said, I think the use of No-Trade is far too ingrained into EQ2's history at this point to change it. If a new game were to come along (or a new server) where No-Trade was not used, that could be lots of fun, but changing it at this point in the game's lifecycle would just p*ss off too many people to be worthwhile.

[Ylis]

I have to somewhat agree. Since TSO, I get back home from an intance and head for the broker to sell the items I have looted. Everything is either NO-TRADE, and all the treasured stuff is already up there for less than the trash vendor value. I can't recall the last time I got an ADEPT 1 drop, let alone a master.

I hardly bother to look these days and head right for the trash vendor. I go to the broker for furniture and food/drink. When my provisioner  and carpenter cap I wont even be doing that!

[Couching]

No trade tag is useless for gear inflation. Attunable is, not no trade tag.

In most servers, you can buy any raid loot you want including mythical, avatar loots, etc. as long as raid guilds don't need it and are willing to sell. 

I agree with OP. There should be less no trade tag since it's pointless nowadays.

[Lleren]

The_Cheeseman wrote

I think it would be really neat to have a game where No-Trade wasn't used at all. If you feel like selling your Mythical epic weapon instead of attuning it yourself, that should be your right, after all. You earned the item, it is yours to do with as you please. However, that having been said, I think the use of No-Trade is far too ingrained into EQ2's history at this point to change it. If a new game were to come along (or a new server) where No-Trade was not used, that could be lots of fun, but changing it at this point in the game's lifecycle would just p*ss off too many people to be worthwhile.

I think a server where everything that dropped was attunable would be interesting, but I imagine you'd see a lot of folks rolling need on the higher ticket items for "thier alts, or situational use"  when they mean for thier alt to put on the broker.

More interesting to me would be a server where everything was no drop,  smart loot worked 100% of the time and extended to all drops in an instance.   One other requirement, once the first named is down the zone saves a list of characters in the instance, and will not allow anyone other then those characters to zone in. 

[Beggon]

Llyryn@Kithicor wrote:

I think a server where everything that dropped was attunable would be interesting, but I imagine you'd see a lot of folks rolling need on the higher ticket items for "thier alts, or situational use"  when they mean for thier alt to put on the broker.

Great answer1

If the no-trade tag was removed, pick-up grouping would virtually cease to be. I don't want to run a dungeon with 5 random people only to lose on a hot scout item to someone for their "alt." I would rather just run it with my guild and if none of us can use it, we just give it to another guildmate.

[Detor]

Nebbie wrote:

I never played EQ1 so I cannot confirm this, but I heard that one of the reasons for high inflation in eq1 was because of too many tradeable items.  Anyone know if this is just an opinion or if there is any truth to this?

No, actually no-trade causes more inflation than tradeable items because no-trade gets sold to NPCs which creates more currency whereas tradeable items are players trading currency that already exists.  EQ1 had inflation because originally even lvl20 NPCs could drop things worth 30pp to vendors.

[Faine]

The reason for high inflation in EQ1 was because there was too much cash (dropping from mobs, and selling trash loot to vendors) coming into the game, but there were NO money sinks.  The game did not require you to spend cash on anything at all, so money was constantly coming into the game, but none ever left the game.  It didn't take long for money to become 100% worthless - as the stuff people really wanted to buy was not vendor junk items, but the nice drops from various dungeons.  What happened, was that EQ1 became a bartering society.  One did not buy anything from anyone - you had to have some nice items to trade, and hope they were nice enough to get what you were looking for. 

EQ1 finally made some adjustments, and partially corrected the high inflation.

[epyon333]

I agree no trade is being used too much.  Ive only ran TSO instantes a few times.  What loot i got i couldnt use, just stuff i greeded on and won.   B/c everything is no-trade i cant sell it on the broker get some decent coin for them and use that to buy something i can actually use.  Instead i have to sell to a vendor which doent give me anywhere near enough even with questing and selling the junk items from those quests (i just barely support spell upgrades to adpet III's) to buy what little is availible on the broker that might be a slight upgrade for me.

[Zizzu]

Being a raider myself, the broker is pretty much worthless when it comes to gear and such. The only time the broker is useful is when I'm looking for Masters, arrows, poisons, and rare shinys.

Personally, I would love to see a server (kinda like FV in EQ) that allows all items to be sold (except Mythicals). The broker market would be huge and active. To be able to buy rare and hard to get items would be great.

I don't expect SoE to make a new server with specific ruleset, but I think it would be cool.

[Katanalla]

If you think plat is worthless you're not playing a scout... I'm a swash and in a 4hour raid night it costs me some 3p absolute minimum without repair, assuming caustic/turgur/enfeebling hit moderately, Repairs... wee repairs included some nights can cost over 5plat for just 4hours of raiding. So much of my plat each week goes towards raiding supplies and repairs.

[Killerbee3000]

Katanallama@Mistmoore wrote:

If you think plat is worthless you're not playing a scout... I'm a swash and in a 4hour raid night it costs me some 3p absolute minimum without repair, assuming caustic/turgur/enfeebling hit moderately, Repairs... wee repairs included some nights can cost over 5plat for just 4hours of raiding. So much of my plat each week goes towards raiding supplies and repairs.

I disagree, since rok raid mobs regularly drop plat and yes, you do get far more than 4-5 plat per day, if you dont then it's time to look for a new guild, sure, on some days you will get less (throwing the raid against a mob you cant beat all evening ftw), but you can make up for that easily with other raids and shock, you could even farm the easy rok stuff with alts if you really want more plat.

Lore items are there to reduce farming, Attunable items are there to prevent you from handing down items to alts / friends, both combined remove the need for a no trade tag.

No dropped No Trade Items in 2009.

[Zizzu]

Katanallama@Mistmoore wrote:

If you think plat is worthless you're not playing a scout... I'm a swash and in a 4hour raid night it costs me some 3p absolute minimum without repair, assuming caustic/turgur/enfeebling hit moderately, Repairs... wee repairs included some nights can cost over 5plat for just 4hours of raiding. So much of my plat each week goes towards raiding supplies and repairs.

And your guild does not help you with repairs?

And plat is ez to come by if you know what you are doing.

[feldon30]

It's a result of TSO having no open dungeons. Don't open dungeons usually have tradeable stuff like Quartermaster's Clasp and Assassin's Stud? There are some nice items that drop off names in Moors, like a ring that has 1 ranged DA. But I wouldn't mind seeing NO TRADE removed from more items. Frankly, I would like to see some way or device that would let us strip the NO TRADE and LORE flags from 1 item a month.

[Maroger]

feldon30 wrote:

It's a result of TSO having no open dungeons. Don't open dungeons usually have tradeable stuff like Quartermaster's Clasp and Assassin's Stud? There are some nice items that drop off names in Moors, like a ring that has 1 ranged DA. But I wouldn't mind seeing NO TRADE removed from more items. Frankly, I would like to see some way or device that would let us strip the NO TRADE and LORE flags from 1 item a month.

I agree I would like to see NO TRADE and LORE flags removed from items. I think there is way too much of that in EQ2. If they make the item ATTUNEABLE that would solve the problem of the items permanent existence in the world -- since at some point it would be useless to a character.

I think the reason the developers have put so much NO TRADE on item is that they want to FORCE GROUPING in this expansion instead of allowing players to have their own playstyle and buying what they need off the broker. All in all I think development has made very poor design decisions in this expansion.

[bks6721]

I don't like the No-Trade flag either.. but IF we have to have it on gear why isn't it on Masters?

I would like to see a mechanism that prohibits selling loot rights.. or remove the [Removed for Content] tag and make it sellable on the broker.

Many people think we need to EARN our gear and not buy it off the broker.  Yet they freely admit to browsing the broker for the best spells in the game.  Don't buy masters you scrubs.. EARN them!   lol  funny huh?

[Thunndar316]

About the only thing I purchase from the Broker is food, drink, poisons, and collection items.  I check for Masters but no im not paying 40 plat for +100 damage on my backstab.

I agree that the no trade tag is used WAY too much and many, many items that could be sold on the broker end up going to transmuting or vendor trash.

No Trade should be reserved for Fabled armor and special quest rewards.

[Gisallo]

feldon30 wrote:

It's a result of TSO having no open dungeons. Don't open dungeons usually have tradeable stuff like Quartermaster's Clasp and Assassin's Stud? There are some nice items that drop off names in Moors, like a ring that has 1 ranged DA. But I wouldn't mind seeing NO TRADE removed from more items. Frankly, I would like to see some way or device that would let us strip the NO TRADE and LORE flags from 1 item a month.

I agree with this.  I think what TSO lacks is a contested dungeon.  I am hoping one will pop up with the Lavastorm revamp as then are adding some x2 and solo stuff, but my hopes are not too high.  I know people moaned about Sebs and Chardok, it was a pain to find groups for both when my guildmates weren't up but I t least found Sebs to be a fun place to grind

[Buttcliffe]

The broker is only good for masters now.  People should have their masters fast as hell nowadays, with all the smart loot and nothing to spend their EASILY made plat on besides spell upgrades.