Plans for Beastlords?

[Shmagmurt]

I would love to know if this may happen and why this class was not in game at launch.

[Oh]

Shmagmurt wrote:

I would love to know if this may happen and why this class was not in game at launch.

There are NO PLANS AT ALL to include beast lords at this point in time, nor anytime in the relativly near future (say 1+ years). As to why they weren't in from the begining, I can't say, but if you use search I'm sure there was atleast 5billion posts on this subject and I'm sure one of them has atleast A reason.

[simpwrx02]

Shmagmurt wrote:

I would love to know if this may happen and why this class was not in game at launch.

No and I hope beastlords DIAFF and burn in hell along with ever single beastlord post.

[bleap]

Ohiv wrote:

Shmagmurt wrote:

I would love to know if this may happen and why this class was not in game at launch.

There are NO PLANS AT ALL to include beast lords at this point in time, nor anytime in the relativly near future (say 1+ years). As to why they weren't in from the begining, I can't say, but if you use search I'm sure there was atleast 5billion posts on this subject and I'm sure one of them has atleast A reason.

You speak as if you have inside information. If you do please tell us. If you don't please preface posts like this with something like "this is your opinion" since there are new folks here that might not realize that you can't know for sure this is the case unless you are a red name.

To the OP...SOE has a history of reconizing the desires of it's players. If you can garner enough support on the boards and through /feedback for the returns of the Beastlord then you have a chance that SOE may consider your request. It's as simple as the squeaky wheel gets the grease. As this game ages SOE needs suggestions like this and should consider them in order to keep the game fresh. I am sure there are developers at SOE who could create a Beastlord class and balanec it along with the other classes. I have been keeping one open toon slot open just in case SOE does release a new class. it's time for something new and exciting. I personally think Beastlord has a shot at becoming a reality. Yes I know SOE has said in teh past that they have no plans on creating such a class any time soon, BUT they only release a full expansion once a year...ANY TIME SOON is relative...it could mean in the next few years or next few months or never but I could also happen sooner than you think...I think a lot of players are viewing EQ2 as a little stale right now...hence the new surveys....

[simpwrx02]

bleap wrote:

To the OP...SOE has a history of reconizing the desires of it's players. If you can garner enough support on the boards and through /feedback for the returns of the Beastlord then you have a chance that SOE may consider your request. It's as simple as the squeaky wheel gets the grease. As this game ages SOE needs suggestions like this and should consider them in order to keep the game fresh. I am sure there are developers at SOE who could create a Beastlord class and balanec it along with the other classes. I have been keeping one open toon slot open just in case SOE does release a new class. it's time for something new and exciting. I personally think Beastlord has a shot at becoming a reality. Yes I know SOE has said in teh past that they have no plans on creating such a class any time soon, BUT they only release a full expansion once a year...ANY TIME SOON is relative...it could mean in the next few years or next few months or never but I could also happen sooner than you think...I think a lot of players are viewing EQ2 as a little stale right now...hence the new surveys....

Hahahaha balance a class.  The Devs just recently acknowledged and began fixing the  blunder that is tank "balance" after 4 years.

I am sure that if i pick 6 random numbers I will win the lotto.

[Hikinami]

Yes no beastlords unless something drastically changes. What would a beastlord do anyway that we do not already have a class for, we have 24 classes there is not really an individual role to be had and I don't think people would like thier toes stepped on. Plus theres the issue of itemization, going back and making beastlord gear or even just adding the beastlord tag on all the old stuff would be a crazy task. Also a whole new epic line? And what class would be the other side of the beastlord achetype...or would you have a good and evil beastlord. Adding a class with the setup we have now would be a nightmare but all this has been said before with all the other beastlord threads.

Maybe they'll give us an AA line with some beastlord stuff but otherwise I just see it as more of a hassle than its worth.

[Oh]

bleap wrote:

You speak as if you have inside information. If you do please tell us. If you don't please preface posts like this with something like "this is your opinion" since there are new folks here that might not realize that you can't know for sure this is the case unless you are a red name.

Does a red named post sound real enough for you? seriously just search on this subject and you will find what I said to be true, Beast lords or more specifically any NEW classes aren't going to be added to the game till well post the point in time that the current classes are balanced. As it is now I feel there are too many classes, but that's me not neccessarly the dev's on that matter. So there will be no new classes for a long time, atleast 1+ years, and frankly I don't think even that is realstic of a timeframe maybe 10+years at the current rate.

[Thunderthyze]

This thread is a joke, right?

[Mentle]

Don't some of the current classes already come close to this category with their charmed animals?

[Anesh]

No.

[Windowlicker]

simpwrx02 wrote:

Shmagmurt wrote:

I would love to know if this may happen and why this class was not in game at launch.

No and I hope beastlords DIAFF and burn in hell along with ever single beastlord post.

Agreed.  I hope we never see this class.

Ever.

[Spyderbite]

Everytime a person asks for Beast Lords, another kitten dies. 

The possibility of Beast Lords were promised in several threads over the past 2 years under one condition. Every single class is absolutely and completely balanced. What was also mentioned is that every single player has a different idea of what "balanced" should be.

Therefore, the odds of adding of Beast Lords is just slightly better than never.

[Vonotar]

IMHO:

Won't happen unless the subscription rate of EQ2 drop so low that it also drastically affects LoN revenue (i.e. nobody left hunting loot cards).  At which point SoE might do a NGE (and therefore a revamp of the class list) in order to try and kick start subscriptions again.

In reality you stand far more chance of seeing Beastlords in some sort of future 'EQ3' type project than ever ever seeing them in EQ2.

[Thunndar316]

Every time SOE tries to balance something one ends up in the floor and the other through the roof.

Guardians, Assassins, Illusionists represent the fat guy

[erin]

simpwrx02 wrote:

Shmagmurt wrote:

I would love to know if this may happen and why this class was not in game at launch.

No and I hope beastlords DIAFF and burn in hell along with ever single beastlord post.

I wouldn't put it this crudely but... I'll bring the torches.

[bleap]

Ohiv wrote:

bleap wrote:

You speak as if you have inside information. If you do please tell us. If you don't please preface posts like this with something like "this is your opinion" since there are new folks here that might not realize that you can't know for sure this is the case unless you are a red name.

Does a red named post sound real enough for you? seriously just search on this subject and you will find what I said to be true, Beast lords or more specifically any NEW classes aren't going to be added to the game till well post the point in time that the current classes are balanced. As it is now I feel there are too many classes, but that's me not neccessarly the dev's on that matter. So there will be no new classes for a long time, atleast 1+ years, and frankly I don't think even that is realstic of a timeframe maybe 10+years at the current rate.

Then post a link to the red name thread, but try not to sound like an authority on something you aren't please.  Most of the information posted here by players is opinion and it's good sound advice, but certainly not fact.

As for Beastlords...I remember back in EQ1 the devs said there would never be an ability like Endless Quiver (for those who never played, put one arrow in your quiver and you never run out of ammo) but they did do it. There were many other examples of SOE contradicting themselves because it felt right at the time to say NO....So never say NEVER when SOE is involved...

[firza]

lol @ BL's

I hope EQ2 never ever ever introduces a new class.

[Kitsune286]

I would post the link to the red-name who stated it , but it would take me a couple of days to find it with all the other messages they post.

[lstead]

They should add them and make them the most pathetic weak things that are totally unable to solo

[Generat]

bleap wrote:

Ohiv wrote:

bleap wrote:

You speak as if you have inside information. If you do please tell us. If you don't please preface posts like this with something like "this is your opinion" since there are new folks here that might not realize that you can't know for sure this is the case unless you are a red name.

Does a red named post sound real enough for you? seriously just search on this subject and you will find what I said to be true, Beast lords or more specifically any NEW classes aren't going to be added to the game till well post the point in time that the current classes are balanced. As it is now I feel there are too many classes, but that's me not neccessarly the dev's on that matter. So there will be no new classes for a long time, atleast 1+ years, and frankly I don't think even that is realstic of a timeframe maybe 10+years at the current rate.

Then post a link to the red name thread, but try not to sound like an authority on something you aren't please.  Most of the information posted here by players is opinion and it's good sound advice, but certainly not fact.

You are asking an awful lot of this person, when in fact they gave you a truthful answer.  In one of the HUNDRED posts brought up over the years on this topic, a red once stated something along the lines of Beastlords being a possibility only if all of the existing classes could be properly balanced.  It was pointed out by this dev that this was probably an impossible task so the answer was effectively NO.

Why don't you go searching through these hundreds of posts to find where this was said, since several people in this thread have told you about it and you refuse to believe it?  Why does someone else have to spend their time dragging up the biggest dead horse topic on these forums for your satisfaction when you are perfectly capable of doing it yourself?

[liveja]

bleap wrote:

Then post a link to the red name thread

I would, but it was made at least 2 years ago, & is probably extremely difficult to find. However, to paraphrase it, they explicitly said that whenever someone asks for the return of beastlords (or any other new class) they figuratively pelt the person with rotten eggs & tomatoes.

Simple logic alone dictates why it won't happen: there isn't anywhere in the current archetype system for it to fit, & in any event, adding it anywhere would entail not just adding one new class, but 4, in order to balance out the archetype systems.

Not to mention itemization, which is already a serious issue.

It's not going to happen.

[Seolta]

**Theoretically** if BL's we're ever added, i'd refuse to group with them since every no skill idiot in the game would drop their post TSO SK to play one.

[Geothe]

bleap wrote:

Then post a link to the red name thread, but try not to sound like an authority on something you aren't please.  Most of the information posted here by players is opinion and it's good sound advice, but certainly not fact.

[Removed for Content].Yeah right.It was said, pretty much as stated.  Cant recall off the top of my head which Dev said it (hence, searching is problematic).  Also, the boards have been reorganized since then/some forums deleted. adding more problems.But it was as stated.New classes will be considered for introduction into the game as soon as the current 24 classes are perfectly balanced.

[Rijacki]

Geothe wrote:

bleap wrote:

Then post a link to the red name thread, but try not to sound like an authority on something you aren't please.  Most of the information posted here by players is opinion and it's good sound advice, but certainly not fact.

[Removed for Content].Yeah right.It was said, pretty much as stated.  Cant recall off the top of my head which Dev said it (hence, searching is problematic).  Also, the boards have been reorganized since then/some forums deleted. adding more problems.But it was as stated.New classes will be considered for introduction into the game as soon as the current 24 classes are perfectly balanced.

It's been stated a few times in a few variations but more than one red name, including many of the -current- red names.

Illucide might have been the one to state the "when all the classes are balanced we'll think about it" one.  Aerilik has posted some responses in the past, too. 

To dredge up every single one would take a long time unless someone has been keeping the links handy someplace for such inane demands for them.

[interstellarmatter]

Shmagmurt wrote:

I would love to know if this may happen and why this class was not in game at launch.

When they sat down to determine which classes from EQ1 where worthy of using for EQ2, BL were left out for some reason...hmm.....

[Gaige]

Beastlords were always Lyndro's thing.  Most stratics chats and stuff he'd respond to silly requests by saying "right after we add Beastlords".  In an interview Ilucide did after Lyndro left, he stated at the end that "although Lyndro is gone, that doesn't mean the status of Beastlords has changed".

So no, you will never see Beastlords in this game.  We have too many classes as it is.

But since you're so adament about a red name post, here it is:

Lyndro-EQ2 wrote:I imagine we'll put in new classes when every class is perfectly balanced, every class has a unique and distinctive role and playstyle, all the class related bugs are fixed, and we have a good solid idea for a truly unique class that is useful, balanced, and doesn't infringe on another class' unique and distinctive role and playstyle...Seriously though, we have enough classes as it is, and enough issues with as many classes as we have.  We really don't need to add any more.  Anytime someone here suggests it, even in passing, we make it a point to pelt them with rotten fruit and taunt them.

I can't link to his post on these forums anymore, because since the forum revamp its gone.  However there is this link, in response to "why Fae instead of Beastlords" when EoF was pre-launch.

http://www.eq2center.com/db/article.asp?id=2614

[liveja]

Gage wrote:

Lyndro-EQ2 wrote:I imagine we'll put in new classes when every class is perfectly balanced, every class has a unique and distinctive role and playstyle, all the class related bugs are fixed, and we have a good solid idea for a truly unique class that is useful, balanced, and doesn't infringe on another class' unique and distinctive role and playstyle...Seriously though, we have enough classes as it is, and enough issues with as many classes as we have.  We really don't need to add any more.  Anytime someone here suggests it, even in passing, we make it a point to pelt them with rotten fruit and taunt them.

http://www.eq2center.com/db/article.asp?id=2614

Yep, that's the exact quote. Thank you, Gage, for archiving that, as well as providing a link to it. I only wish we could still link to the actual post here on the forums.

I wish this subject would just die already. I loved my BL in EQ1, thought it was an awesome alternative to the Mage I was getting tired of ... but that was then, this is now, the class system is NOT set up for their return, & other issues abound as well. It COULD happen, at some point in the distant future ... but then, I could, conceivably, also marry a super-model right after winning the Cali MegaBucks lotto three times in a row.

[Zarador]

Well, since I met my real life girlfriend several years ago by accident in Everquest Live and her first love there was playing a Beastlord, for her enjoyment, I would love to see it added, but I would say the chances are extremely slim given their choices in that matter.

• They can create the Beastlord as they did in Everquest Live and have more than a few disgruntled subscribers given the abilities of the Beastlord in that game.  Some would leave, others who stayed would be pushed aside unless they created one to fill that new found slot and competed in groups/raids for a position.
• They can create Beastlord Lite® and deal with all the screaming about how they can never get anything right and how gimped out and useless the new class is.

Lets face it, it would be a losing battle all the way.  Those against the Beastlord class would see every advantage given to them, even the fair ones, as overpowering and one sided.  Those for the Beastlords would scream that it's just the shell of the class they remember playing.

Sadly, it always comes down to pretty much the same scenerio.  I don't wish to play that class, but I don't want to see you playing it either.  We see it all the time, I don't want to play anything but a (insert class) but I want all the abilities that (insert class) has.  I want to be a plate healer that nukes like a wizard, does damage like an assasin, ports like a druid and has buffs like a shaman...while your at it, I want a pet (and not that hammer one either).

[Kiara]

<--- red name!!!

There are no plans for Beastlords.

[Grimwell]

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