Suggestion.

Ensombreza · 06-17-2008, 04:08 AM

Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK.

Nuhus · 06-17-2008, 05:59 AM

Players can't post threads in the developer roundtable forums. I do wish all the issues were consolidated in one thread on this forum though. It takes some digging to find stuff.

Tiberuis · 06-17-2008, 09:33 AM

Ensombreza wrote:

Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK.

If you took 5 seconds to understand the forums structure, you would realize that players cannot post on the Devs Rountable section.

There is no more helpful information for the SK class than the almost 1600 posts on these forum threads clarifying obvious class imbalance issues for the Dev's consideration.

Folks just starting out as an SK have a right to hear the established SK community's opinions on the state of the class. Sharing useful information and opinions is what these forums are for.

If you are satisfied with the class, good for you. Play the game and have fun. Being satisfied with the class, however, does NOT change the fact that the SK class is currently not balanced with the other plate tank classes.

One of the best converged threads dealing with the current SK class imbalance issues is here :

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=415117

If you have anything useful to add, it would be appreciated.

Ensombreza · 06-17-2008, 01:24 PM

Tiberuis wrote:

Ensombreza wrote:
Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK.
If you took 5 seconds to understand the forums structure, you would realize that players cannot post on the Devs Rountable section.
There is no more helpful information for the SK class than the almost 1600 posts on these forum threads clarifying obvious class imbalance issues for the Dev's consideration.
Folks just starting out as an SK have a right to hear the established SK community's opinions on the state of the class. Sharing useful information and opinions is what these forums are for.
If you are satisfied with the class, good for you. Play the game and have fun. Being satisfied with the class, however, does NOT change the fact that the SK class is currently not balanced with the other plate tank classes.
One of the best converged threads dealing with the current SK class imbalance issues is here :
http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=415117
If you have anything useful to add, it would be appreciated.

Ah! I dont read many of the forums, it is just by definition a place where Devs can converse with players. Hence me thinking you could post there in the first place. However as a nub SK it is frustrating to come in here and find a total lack of information on the class (AA builds, gear, stat allocation, ability order in which to recieve the most threat, how to properly tank as a SK) because you Tiberuis are on a personal crusade against SoE. I see half the people complaining on these boards as you do, and you do realize if SoE were to give SK a buff another class would just take SK's place in complaining about be underpowered. I bet Guardians would start complaining about not being able to put out decent DPS numbers or something. I mean I agree with the argument that SK by definition should be a force to be reckoned with, but FFS it is hard to find good information on these boards and it is frustrating. Also on my server players were saying they have seen amazing SKs that do just perfectly fine in raid situation, so it makes me wonder if alot of you guys are just inflating the issue. I know alot of MMO players are perpetually complaining about the state of something whether it be their class, other classes, etc..

My point is alot of people (not just myself) more than likely come here looking for info that is nonexistant, and if it is it isnt easily accessable amongst all the "Buff SK" threads.

Nebul · 06-17-2008, 01:54 PM

It isn't hard at all to find this information.

A. You just ask a question and it will be answered.

B. Spell listings are all stickied on top of this forum.

Ensombreza · 06-17-2008, 02:11 PM

Nebular wrote:

It isn't hard at all to find this information.
A. You just ask a question and it will be answered.
B. Spell listings are all stickied on top of this forum.

What do spell listings do for anyone other than give an indication of what I will be learning down the road. The fact of the matter is I have loads of questions that would more than require a SK "how to" which would have to be a comprehensive list due to my constant hunger for absolute knowledge of my class. I like to know anything and everything I can so I can be the best that I can be, and im not the only one. Regardless, my point is this first page alone the majority of posts are cries from the SK community. Just make one consolidated effort and build upon that, rather than spamming up the first page with what could essentially be useful threads full of information for up and comers, and those wanting to learn.

I can personally search for the information if I want to, but there are alot of people that wont.

Bruener · 06-17-2008, 02:20 PM

/join guk.sk

That is where a lot of SK's hang out, and more importantly a lot of the "seasoned" SK's are available to answer questions.

As far as your suggestions about this board...this is the state that our class is in. For the most part it is not an exageration, and the reason for all of the threads is the simple fact nothing has been done about this state in many months...not even a comment in here from a Dev saying they recognize the issue. People are frustrated and [Removed for Content].

This is what you walked into...accept it.

BMonkeeus · 06-17-2008, 02:31 PM

Ensomb, what would you have the frustrated SKs do? Just keep quite?? We are a broken class now since the RoK launch and this is one of the few avenues available to voice concerns. And along side all the critical threads in here there is also a ton of helpful and informative ones as well. The *search* feature up top is your friend and also quite helpful. Take some time to read and research before you criticize...

Tiberuis · 06-17-2008, 02:43 PM

Ensombreza wrote:

Tiberuis wrote:
Ensombreza wrote:
Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK.
If you took 5 seconds to understand the forums structure, you would realize that players cannot post on the Devs Rountable section.
There is no more helpful information for the SK class than the almost 1600 posts on these forum threads clarifying obvious class imbalance issues for the Dev's consideration.
Folks just starting out as an SK have a right to hear the established SK community's opinions on the state of the class. Sharing useful information and opinions is what these forums are for.
If you are satisfied with the class, good for you. Play the game and have fun. Being satisfied with the class, however, does NOT change the fact that the SK class is currently not balanced with the other plate tank classes.
One of the best converged threads dealing with the current SK class imbalance issues is here :
http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=415117
If you have anything useful to add, it would be appreciated.
Ah! I dont read many of the forums, it is just by definition a place where Devs can converse with players. Hence me thinking you could post there in the first place. However as a nub SK it is frustrating to come in here and find a total lack of information on the class (AA builds, gear, stat allocation, ability order in which to recieve the most threat, how to properly tank as a SK) because you Tiberuis are on a personal crusade against SoE. I see half the people complaining on these boards as you do, and you do realize if SoE were to give SK a buff another class would just take SK's place in complaining about be underpowered. I bet Guardians would start complaining about not being able to put out decent DPS numbers or something. I mean I agree with the argument that SK by definition should be a force to be reckoned with, but FFS it is hard to find good information on these boards and it is frustrating. Also on my server players were saying they have seen amazing SKs that do just perfectly fine in raid situation, so it makes me wonder if alot of you guys are just inflating the issue. I know alot of MMO players are perpetually complaining about the state of something whether it be their class, other classes, etc..
My point is alot of people (not just myself) more than likely come here looking for info that is nonexistant, and if it is it isnt easily accessable amongst all the "Buff SK" threads.

If you have a question about the SK class, why don't you just post a question? Or join an SK Channel, as suggested by the previous poster, and ask as many questions as you like. Lots of helpful players will answer you.

If you don't like the fact that there are almost 1600 posts since the launch of ROK on these forums, with feedback in relation to SK class balance issues, that's just too bad. There are many, many SK's on these forums, trying to have thier voices heard. Most folks are concerned about SK class imbalance issues, so that's what you are reading about.

As far as a "personal crusade against SOE goes," that is just nonsense. I love this game. I want my SK fairly balanced vs. the other plate tank class, because I WANT to play this game. There is nothing personal about it. I have decided to be pro-active in having my voice heard on these forums, as opposed to just quitting the game in frustration, or demoting my SK to an ALT, like so many other players have recently.

Hopefully, all of the SK's in our community can go on a Crusade...a Crusade against the toughest content in this game, fairly balanced with the other plate tank classes, killing boss raid mobs on a level playing field. And if that ever happens, you might want to say thank-you to the many veteran SK's that worked hard to have our voices heard, when your toon is as powerful in DPS, Survivability, and Raid readiness as the Warrior tank classes.

Ensombreza · 06-17-2008, 03:32 PM

Bruener wrote:

/join guk.sk
That is where a lot of SK's hang out, and more importantly a lot of the "seasoned" SK's are available to answer questions.
As far as your suggestions about this board...this is the state that our class is in. For the most part it is not an exageration, and the reason for all of the threads is the simple fact nothing has been done about this state in many months...not even a comment in here from a Dev saying they recognize the issue. People are frustrated and [Removed for Content].
This is what you walked into...accept it.

Cool! Will do!

I just think it would be more proactive to have one condensed thread containing complaints and suggestions SK's agree on as a whole.

rabid.pooh · 06-17-2008, 04:03 PM

Ensombreza wrote:

Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK.

Class specific disscussions posted in other threads are moved to this forum area. As that's (according to the forum moderators is where they belong). So this is the place to do all that complaining :p.

However it really is apparent that no suggestions, complaints, ideas or really anything the community says will be addressed, implimented or disscussed by anyone except the occasional forum moderator who closes a thread down, and/or a currious programmer. So I agree with you, I think it's time the SK community stops griping and reroll or move to another game. And use the SK forums as more of a resource than venting place.

Giral · 06-17-2008, 09:43 PM

Toesmash@Oasis wrote:

Ensombreza wrote:
Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK.
Class specific disscussions posted in other threads are moved to this forum area. As that's (according to the forum moderators is where they belong). So this is the place to do all that complaining :p.
However it really is apparent that no suggestions, complaints, ideas or really anything the community says will be addressed, implimented or disscussed by anyone except the occasional forum moderator who closes a thread down, and/or a currious programmer. So I agree with you, I think it's time the SK community stops griping and reroll or move to another game. And use the SK forums as more of a resource than venting place.

thats already happened, the sk's have posted the issue's , mainly on one thread, and a few specific threads, and we dontlike broken records, if you take Note how many new posts have been added to those after the initial posts and what do raidinf sk's need post . Sk's arent and never have been a long winded whinny forum posters, we stated the issue, we wre ignored, we posted up solutions, they ar ignored, we only get mod and dev repsonse to close threads or tell us how to post corecctly (after we have been doing it for 4+years with NO replies ) and its done, you see a tiny trickle of Sk's adding to the serious issue's and possible fixes, most have left the game, re-rolled, or are just sick of repeating themselves, and are use to never getting anything from the devs like the FOTY classes always have.

just becuase the OP doesnt want to hear about it doesn't mean we shouldn't have 1 or several differant threads on important issue's with the class. or that other new players to the class might want to know this information and take a listen that Sk's have been ignored on the sk forums for 4+years, and we have seen more Nerfs>tweaks in those years with no responses for either of them (except DM and the reply to that was a joke by a dev threatening to decrease it)

and to the OP, there is a Ton of information Sk's have posted about the class, AA's,skills,Dps, etc,,, anything and everything you want, it took alot of time and effort for all that information to be posted up. if YOU cant be bothered to simply click back ONE or TWO pages (yeah thats it 90% of the information is just 1 or 2 Clicks away). then re-role now and do us all a favor! peoples time and effort to post the information YOU seek > you not wanting to click back a page or 2.

and as others have said IF you want information Simple ASk a question, or do you actualy have a question ? or you just come here to tell us all how to post , We have Devs and Mods to tell us how to post already so thanks anyway : P ... (all our mods and Devs are good for in the sk forums , dont take that away from them SMILEY<img src= " width="15" height="15" /> )

Tuubad · 06-18-2008, 04:05 AM

Hello, I rarely post on this forum but follow it for information about the class and how other SK's are playing. I have a level 80 SK and am in a non-raiding guild. Spend most of my time when i play my SK soloing and do a decent job doing that. I also have a lev 80 Fury and Conjuror so when we group the Fury usually is the one requested since guild leader is a 80 Guard. Except when requested by guild I rarely use my SK to tank for one reason. Reading these forums I firmly believe that he is [Removed for Content] and would fall on his face. I don't have fabled raid gear, just the RoK legendary. I never have lfg up but sometimes I still have request to tank. I don't tank pug groups for the same reason. The impression I have is that we as a class can't get it done. I rolled a Guard last week just to see the difference and frankly I think he is a little [Removed for Content]. Only way he can solo as well as my SK could starting out is by spending some plat on some MC gear. So my impression is that a Guard is only as good as his gear. But the SK is only as good as the person smashing the keys. BTW, one of the main complaints in the Guard forums is that SK's are stealing aggro and they can't get it back lol. Just my 2 cents worth. Probably will be another 6 mos before I post again but will be reading to learn. Tuubad lev 80 SK Lev 80 Fury Lev 80 Conj.

06-17-2008, 05:59 AM	#2
Nuhus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,480	Players can't post threads in the developer roundtable forums. I do wish all the issues were consolidated in one thread on this forum though. It takes some digging to find stuff. __________________ SOE will kill off EQ2 before it would naturally die.. 11/10/2004-9/19/2010 - for me

06-17-2008, 09:33 AM	#3
Tiberuis Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 205	Ensombreza wrote: Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK. If you took 5 seconds to understand the forums structure, you would realize that players cannot post on the Devs Rountable section. There is no more helpful information for the SK class than the almost 1600 posts on these forum threads clarifying obvious class imbalance issues for the Dev's consideration. Folks just starting out as an SK have a right to hear the established SK community's opinions on the state of the class. Sharing useful information and opinions is what these forums are for. If you are satisfied with the class, good for you. Play the game and have fun. Being satisfied with the class, however, does NOT change the fact that the SK class is currently not balanced with the other plate tank classes. One of the best converged threads dealing with the current SK class imbalance issues is here : http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=415117 If you have anything useful to add, it would be appreciated.

06-17-2008, 01:24 PM	#4
Ensombreza Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 19	Tiberuis wrote: Ensombreza wrote: Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK. If you took 5 seconds to understand the forums structure, you would realize that players cannot post on the Devs Rountable section. There is no more helpful information for the SK class than the almost 1600 posts on these forum threads clarifying obvious class imbalance issues for the Dev's consideration. Folks just starting out as an SK have a right to hear the established SK community's opinions on the state of the class. Sharing useful information and opinions is what these forums are for. If you are satisfied with the class, good for you. Play the game and have fun. Being satisfied with the class, however, does NOT change the fact that the SK class is currently not balanced with the other plate tank classes. One of the best converged threads dealing with the current SK class imbalance issues is here : http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=415117 If you have anything useful to add, it would be appreciated. Ah! I dont read many of the forums, it is just by definition a place where Devs can converse with players. Hence me thinking you could post there in the first place. However as a nub SK it is frustrating to come in here and find a total lack of information on the class (AA builds, gear, stat allocation, ability order in which to recieve the most threat, how to properly tank as a SK) because you Tiberuis are on a personal crusade against SoE. I see half the people complaining on these boards as you do, and you do realize if SoE were to give SK a buff another class would just take SK's place in complaining about be underpowered. I bet Guardians would start complaining about not being able to put out decent DPS numbers or something. I mean I agree with the argument that SK by definition should be a force to be reckoned with, but FFS it is hard to find good information on these boards and it is frustrating. Also on my server players were saying they have seen amazing SKs that do just perfectly fine in raid situation, so it makes me wonder if alot of you guys are just inflating the issue. I know alot of MMO players are perpetually complaining about the state of something whether it be their class, other classes, etc.. My point is alot of people (not just myself) more than likely come here looking for info that is nonexistant, and if it is it isnt easily accessable amongst all the "Buff SK" threads.

06-17-2008, 02:11 PM	#6
Ensombreza Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 19	Nebular wrote: It isn't hard at all to find this information. A. You just ask a question and it will be answered. B. Spell listings are all stickied on top of this forum. What do spell listings do for anyone other than give an indication of what I will be learning down the road. The fact of the matter is I have loads of questions that would more than require a SK "how to" which would have to be a comprehensive list due to my constant hunger for absolute knowledge of my class. I like to know anything and everything I can so I can be the best that I can be, and im not the only one. Regardless, my point is this first page alone the majority of posts are cries from the SK community. Just make one consolidated effort and build upon that, rather than spamming up the first page with what could essentially be useful threads full of information for up and comers, and those wanting to learn. I can personally search for the information if I want to, but there are alot of people that wont.

06-17-2008, 02:20 PM	#7
Bruener Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,010	/join guk.sk That is where a lot of SK's hang out, and more importantly a lot of the "seasoned" SK's are available to answer questions. As far as your suggestions about this board...this is the state that our class is in. For the most part it is not an exageration, and the reason for all of the threads is the simple fact nothing has been done about this state in many months...not even a comment in here from a Dev saying they recognize the issue. People are frustrated and [Removed for Content]. This is what you walked into...accept it. __________________

06-17-2008, 04:08 AM	#1
Ensombreza Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 19	Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK.

06-17-2008, 01:54 PM	#5
Nebul General Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 42	It isn't hard at all to find this information. A. You just ask a question and it will be answered. B. Spell listings are all stickied on top of this forum.

06-17-2008, 02:31 PM	#8
BMonkeeus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 321	Ensomb, what would you have the frustrated SKs do? Just keep quite?? We are a broken class now since the RoK launch and this is one of the few avenues available to voice concerns. And along side all the critical threads in here there is also a ton of helpful and informative ones as well. The search feature up top is your friend and also quite helpful. Take some time to read and research before you criticize...

06-17-2008, 02:43 PM	#9
Tiberuis Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 205	Ensombreza wrote: Tiberuis wrote: Ensombreza wrote: Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK. If you took 5 seconds to understand the forums structure, you would realize that players cannot post on the Devs Rountable section. There is no more helpful information for the SK class than the almost 1600 posts on these forum threads clarifying obvious class imbalance issues for the Dev's consideration. Folks just starting out as an SK have a right to hear the established SK community's opinions on the state of the class. Sharing useful information and opinions is what these forums are for. If you are satisfied with the class, good for you. Play the game and have fun. Being satisfied with the class, however, does NOT change the fact that the SK class is currently not balanced with the other plate tank classes. One of the best converged threads dealing with the current SK class imbalance issues is here : http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=415117 If you have anything useful to add, it would be appreciated. Ah! I dont read many of the forums, it is just by definition a place where Devs can converse with players. Hence me thinking you could post there in the first place. However as a nub SK it is frustrating to come in here and find a total lack of information on the class (AA builds, gear, stat allocation, ability order in which to recieve the most threat, how to properly tank as a SK) because you Tiberuis are on a personal crusade against SoE. I see half the people complaining on these boards as you do, and you do realize if SoE were to give SK a buff another class would just take SK's place in complaining about be underpowered. I bet Guardians would start complaining about not being able to put out decent DPS numbers or something. I mean I agree with the argument that SK by definition should be a force to be reckoned with, but FFS it is hard to find good information on these boards and it is frustrating. Also on my server players were saying they have seen amazing SKs that do just perfectly fine in raid situation, so it makes me wonder if alot of you guys are just inflating the issue. I know alot of MMO players are perpetually complaining about the state of something whether it be their class, other classes, etc.. My point is alot of people (not just myself) more than likely come here looking for info that is nonexistant, and if it is it isnt easily accessable amongst all the "Buff SK" threads. If you have a question about the SK class, why don't you just post a question? Or join an SK Channel, as suggested by the previous poster, and ask as many questions as you like. Lots of helpful players will answer you. If you don't like the fact that there are almost 1600 posts since the launch of ROK on these forums, with feedback in relation to SK class balance issues, that's just too bad. There are many, many SK's on these forums, trying to have thier voices heard. Most folks are concerned about SK class imbalance issues, so that's what you are reading about. As far as a "personal crusade against SOE goes," that is just nonsense. I love this game. I want my SK fairly balanced vs. the other plate tank class, because I WANT to play this game. There is nothing personal about it. I have decided to be pro-active in having my voice heard on these forums, as opposed to just quitting the game in frustration, or demoting my SK to an ALT, like so many other players have recently. Hopefully, all of the SK's in our community can go on a Crusade...a Crusade against the toughest content in this game, fairly balanced with the other plate tank classes, killing boss raid mobs on a level playing field. And if that ever happens, you might want to say thank-you to the many veteran SK's that worked hard to have our voices heard, when your toon is as powerful in DPS, Survivability, and Raid readiness as the Warrior tank classes.

06-17-2008, 03:32 PM	#10
Ensombreza Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 19	Bruener wrote: /join guk.sk That is where a lot of SK's hang out, and more importantly a lot of the "seasoned" SK's are available to answer questions. As far as your suggestions about this board...this is the state that our class is in. For the most part it is not an exageration, and the reason for all of the threads is the simple fact nothing has been done about this state in many months...not even a comment in here from a Dev saying they recognize the issue. People are frustrated and [Removed for Content]. This is what you walked into...accept it. Cool! Will do! I just think it would be more proactive to have one condensed thread containing complaints and suggestions SK's agree on as a whole.

06-17-2008, 04:03 PM	#11
rabid.pooh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 344	Ensombreza wrote: Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK. Class specific disscussions posted in other threads are moved to this forum area. As that's (according to the forum moderators is where they belong). So this is the place to do all that complaining :p. However it really is apparent that no suggestions, complaints, ideas or really anything the community says will be addressed, implimented or disscussed by anyone except the occasional forum moderator who closes a thread down, and/or a currious programmer. So I agree with you, I think it's time the SK community stops griping and reroll or move to another game. And use the SK forums as more of a resource than venting place. __________________

06-17-2008, 09:43 PM	#12
Giral General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 894	Toesmash@Oasis wrote: Ensombreza wrote: Howcome all the complainers whining about how SK is broken dont compile a list of threads and post it in the Developer's Roundtable section? You know... rather than spamming up these boards which could be used for helpful information for people actually satisfied with the class, or just starting out as a SK. Class specific disscussions posted in other threads are moved to this forum area. As that's (according to the forum moderators is where they belong). So this is the place to do all that complaining :p. However it really is apparent that no suggestions, complaints, ideas or really anything the community says will be addressed, implimented or disscussed by anyone except the occasional forum moderator who closes a thread down, and/or a currious programmer. So I agree with you, I think it's time the SK community stops griping and reroll or move to another game. And use the SK forums as more of a resource than venting place. thats already happened, the sk's have posted the issue's , mainly on one thread, and a few specific threads, and we dontlike broken records, if you take Note how many new posts have been added to those after the initial posts and what do raidinf sk's need post . Sk's arent and never have been a long winded whinny forum posters, we stated the issue, we wre ignored, we posted up solutions, they ar ignored, we only get mod and dev repsonse to close threads or tell us how to post corecctly (after we have been doing it for 4+years with NO replies ) and its done, you see a tiny trickle of Sk's adding to the serious issue's and possible fixes, most have left the game, re-rolled, or are just sick of repeating themselves, and are use to never getting anything from the devs like the FOTY classes always have. just becuase the OP doesnt want to hear about it doesn't mean we shouldn't have 1 or several differant threads on important issue's with the class. or that other new players to the class might want to know this information and take a listen that Sk's have been ignored on the sk forums for 4+years, and we have seen more Nerfs>tweaks in those years with no responses for either of them (except DM and the reply to that was a joke by a dev threatening to decrease it) and to the OP, there is a Ton of information Sk's have posted about the class, AA's,skills,Dps, etc,,, anything and everything you want, it took alot of time and effort for all that information to be posted up. if YOU cant be bothered to simply click back ONE or TWO pages (yeah thats it 90% of the information is just 1 or 2 Clicks away). then re-role now and do us all a favor! peoples time and effort to post the information YOU seek > you not wanting to click back a page or 2. and as others have said IF you want information Simple ASk a question, or do you actualy have a question ? or you just come here to tell us all how to post , We have Devs and Mods to tell us how to post already so thanks anyway : P ... (all our mods and Devs are good for in the sk forums , dont take that away from them " width="15" height="15" /> ) __________________ who's more of a Fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool. . . Account Terminated as of 12-27-08, RMT=Evil

06-18-2008, 04:05 AM	#13
Tuubad Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7	Hello, I rarely post on this forum but follow it for information about the class and how other SK's are playing. I have a level 80 SK and am in a non-raiding guild. Spend most of my time when i play my SK soloing and do a decent job doing that. I also have a lev 80 Fury and Conjuror so when we group the Fury usually is the one requested since guild leader is a 80 Guard. Except when requested by guild I rarely use my SK to tank for one reason. Reading these forums I firmly believe that he is [Removed for Content] and would fall on his face. I don't have fabled raid gear, just the RoK legendary. I never have lfg up but sometimes I still have request to tank. I don't tank pug groups for the same reason. The impression I have is that we as a class can't get it done. I rolled a Guard last week just to see the difference and frankly I think he is a little [Removed for Content]. Only way he can solo as well as my SK could starting out is by spending some plat on some MC gear. So my impression is that a Guard is only as good as his gear. But the SK is only as good as the person smashing the keys. BTW, one of the main complaints in the Guard forums is that SK's are stealing aggro and they can't get it back lol. Just my 2 cents worth. Probably will be another 6 mos before I post again but will be reading to learn. Tuubad lev 80 SK Lev 80 Fury Lev 80 Conj.