Couple of Coercer Questions from a new Convert.

Valarouko · 05-08-2008, 11:46 AM

If I may ask a quick question or 3...

1. I acquired Domination Master 1, but am able to use Dictate...is there any reason to replace Domination with Dictate master one other than 5 more minutes of charm and a slightly higher regen rate? I know there isn't really a difference between the lower master 1's but I've not seen any information on the lvl 74 charm master 1.

2. What is the usually acknowledged spell damage cap for coercers (do coercers need a LOT or a little +spell damage before it becomes more useful to get spell crit)? How much spell crit and +damage do you have?

3. Does spell proc gear work off of reactives?

KamidariTuibumbi · 05-08-2008, 11:59 AM

I only really know the answer to #1... The only other difference is that the short duration stun upon termination of charm will work against mobs of a higher level. So noting really earth-shattering, but I certainly wouldn't turn down a higher level master charm if I had the chance. SMILEY

I think I'm still using one from the 40's.

Calm · 05-08-2008, 12:17 PM

imho: 1) I'm still using Domination master. I don't see a need to upgrade unless it falls into my lap. Definately use the master over a later Adept 3. 2) I would say get at least 600 damage first. I don't see much use going much over 800. (I have 860, but would go down to 800 to get more crit.) In between 600 and 800 you can start working more on crit. 3) I've wondered that myself, but don't know.

Lord Montague · 05-08-2008, 06:00 PM

Pretty much I agree with a lot of what others are saying. Heck, I'm using Dominate M1 on T8 stuff and doing just fine with that. Mostly the upgrades past a certain point only give your pet more health / power regen and a longer duration on the charm. There WAS a time when resistability would start going up past a certain level, but that seemed to disappear.

As for procs, I believe those can trigger off any initial casting of a spell (much like how it could trigger off the initial casting of a DoT), so as far as I've been able to tell the triggers themselves do not cause spell procs as those are more indirect.

chily · 05-08-2008, 06:58 PM

1.master ftw SMILEY

2. 600-800 at 80

3. i guess you mean with lu45. casting reactive and hostile spell porc will porc. reactive on mob (spell curse) then casting debuff and a item porcs dmg => no reactive porc, because reactives only porc from spell attacks

05-08-2008, 11:59 AM	#2
KamidariTuibumbi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 153	I only really know the answer to #1... The only other difference is that the short duration stun upon termination of charm will work against mobs of a higher level. So noting really earth-shattering, but I certainly wouldn't turn down a higher level master charm if I had the chance. I think I'm still using one from the 40's.

05-08-2008, 06:58 PM	#5
chily Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Austria Posts: 400	1.master ftw 2. 600-800 at 80 3. i guess you mean with lu45. casting reactive and hostile spell porc will porc. reactive on mob (spell curse) then casting debuff and a item porcs dmg => no reactive porc, because reactives only porc from spell attacks __________________ Chillispike 80 SK, Guildleader of Boogie Knights @ Splitpaw and EQ2iAdmin Sanji 80 Coercer @ Splitpaw I just don't use Station Cash.

05-08-2008, 11:46 AM	#1
Valarouko Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 37	If I may ask a quick question or 3... 1. I acquired Domination Master 1, but am able to use Dictate...is there any reason to replace Domination with Dictate master one other than 5 more minutes of charm and a slightly higher regen rate? I know there isn't really a difference between the lower master 1's but I've not seen any information on the lvl 74 charm master 1. 2. What is the usually acknowledged spell damage cap for coercers (do coercers need a LOT or a little +spell damage before it becomes more useful to get spell crit)? How much spell crit and +damage do you have? 3. Does spell proc gear work off of reactives?

05-08-2008, 12:17 PM	#3
Calm Lord Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 18	imho: 1) I'm still using Domination master. I don't see a need to upgrade unless it falls into my lap. Definately use the master over a later Adept 3. 2) I would say get at least 600 damage first. I don't see much use going much over 800. (I have 860, but would go down to 800 to get more crit.) In between 600 and 800 you can start working more on crit. 3) I've wondered that myself, but don't know.

05-08-2008, 06:00 PM	#4
Lord Montague Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 541	Pretty much I agree with a lot of what others are saying. Heck, I'm using Dominate M1 on T8 stuff and doing just fine with that. Mostly the upgrades past a certain point only give your pet more health / power regen and a longer duration on the charm. There WAS a time when resistability would start going up past a certain level, but that seemed to disappear. As for procs, I believe those can trigger off any initial casting of a spell (much like how it could trigger off the initial casting of a DoT), so as far as I've been able to tell the triggers themselves do not cause spell procs as those are more indirect.