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tshook · 03-25-2008, 09:10 PM

Well I have a new toon coming up in the 50's now so I decided to take my 74 toon (retired btw, but that is another story) to KP to see how bad it is going to be based on other high 60 low 70 guildies trying to level up to 80. I did this to see how the new changes to pvp would affect me (writs, RAID updates etc).

The idea here is to try to find out the level of pain I am going to have to endure.

In the span of 2 hours I was killed 27 times. My retired char is a defiler so fighting back wasnt an option (which was actually a good thing).

I was rolled by a few solos but mostly groups and a raid or 2. Over and Over and Over.

I simulated going to the docks to get quest starters... going to the quest area, returning, doing the sok posts... doing everything that my soon to be 70 toon would have to endure.

It was awful.

So the question is, what kind of crafter should my new toon become when I hit 70?

dellaripa · 03-26-2008, 01:30 AM

Didn't the level 80s complain that the level lockers were driving people away?

Nice!

Sounds perfectly unplayable. Remind me not to level up.

-Arctura- · 03-26-2008, 02:28 AM

dellaripa wrote:

Didn't the level 80s complain that the level lockers were driving people away?
Nice!
Sounds perfectly unplayable. Remind me not to level up.

(( considering the pvp exp lock went into effect about the same time as the release of RoK, it was the 70s that were complaining not the non-existant-yet 80s SMILEY

(but yes, I think It's a bit ironic how everyone went to Nagafen for 'hardcore pvp' ....and now people are bailing out for other servers because its TOO hardcore and it stings SMILEY

Derrickr · 03-26-2008, 09:45 AM

Since when is rolling solo players with a raid considered hardcore?

Rattfa · 03-26-2008, 09:56 AM

Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck!

Bloodfa · 03-26-2008, 10:43 AM

If it's primetime and there's raids ... you're going to be collateral damage. But that's not every night, nor is it all night long. I'd suggest getting the quests and getting as far away from the docks as possible. Let's face it, if somebody hits 68+, they ain't a newcommer. They should know what to do and what not to do. Being solo where there's a lot of pvping going on is never a good idea. The writs and the raids seem to be working on an ebb & flow. The timer's making for lull's where the victor waits for the losing side to regroup, reorganize and attack. There are usually 2 instances open when the raids are duking it out, with one full and the other getting the overflow. I'd suggest not being in the packed one for the 2 or 3 hours where it's crazy.

And we've got several guildies levelling up in the same level ranges ... they're surviving, so it's not anything like what it was for a level 15 newbie back in the old days. Apples to oranges.

Hamervelder · 03-26-2008, 10:50 AM

Rattface@Nagafen wrote:

Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck!

Have you ever played a defiler in PvP, or even in a duel? If not, I'd suggest that you silence yourself, because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Defilers have absolutely no chance against multiple enemies, or even one scout using stupefying poison. Don't believe me? Roll up a defiler and go fight a swashbuckler. You'll die. Every time. And then ignorant people like yourself will make fun of you.

Lilflier · 03-26-2008, 11:37 AM

That is completely untrue. Having played a defiler to 80, yes... it's much more difficult to avoid fights in the first place, but once you are fighting, a defiler has many more options than most scouts, and has a better chance againt mulitiple enemies than many other characters. Yes, swashbucklers are the hardest scouts for defilers to beat, but it's certainly not impossible.

And in a duel situation.... good grief, with the chance to preward... that makes defilers awfully hard for any class to beat.

Bloodfa · 03-26-2008, 12:03 PM

Lilflier wrote:

That is completely untrue. Having played a defiler to 80, yes... it's much more difficult to avoid fights in the first place, but once you are fighting, a defiler has many more options than most scouts, and has a better chance againt mulitiple enemies than many other characters. Yes, swashbucklers are the hardest scouts for defilers to beat, but it's certainly not impossible.
And in a duel situation.... good grief, with the chance to preward... that makes defilers awfully hard for any class to beat.

True dat. First (and only) time I 1v1'ed a Defiler, I gave him ample time to get set. Longest fight evah ...

MMKA · 03-26-2008, 12:21 PM

We are currently questing in KP with our 65s and getting attacked every 1-3 minutes by every 80, group or raid that rolls up. Some even sit there for hours and gank us over and over again. Since our 80 alts are not in fabled yet, we simply get our revenge by taking them to every other unlimited zone and ganking anyone we find - gray or not at least until our evac is back up.

Once you hit ROK, it's nothing but a big gank fest. If you are not running in big groups, or a class with evac and/or track, you will get ganked 100 times more than you ever did in T2.

Roald · 03-26-2008, 01:23 PM

tshook wrote:

Well I have a new toon coming up in the 50's now so I decided to take my 74 toon (retired btw, but that is another story) to KP to see how bad it is going to be based on other high 60 low 70 guildies trying to level up to 80. I did this to see how the new changes to pvp would affect me (writs, RAID updates etc).
The idea here is to try to find out the level of pain I am going to have to endure.
In the span of 2 hours I was killed 27 times. My retired char is a defiler so fighting back wasnt an option (which was actually a good thing).
I was rolled by a few solos but mostly groups and a raid or 2. Over and Over and Over.
I simulated going to the docks to get quest starters... going to the quest area, returning, doing the sok posts... doing everything that my soon to be 70 toon would have to endure.
It was awful.
So the question is, what kind of crafter should my new toon become when I hit 70?

QFC

Dracot · 03-26-2008, 02:22 PM

Uros@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Rattface@Nagafen wrote:
Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck!
Have you ever played a defiler in PvP, or even in a duel? If not, I'd suggest that you silence yourself, because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Defilers have absolutely no chance against multiple enemies, or even one scout using stupefying poison. Don't believe me? Roll up a defiler and go fight a swashbuckler. You'll die. Every time. And then ignorant people like yourself will make fun of you.

Just ignore the trolls, anytime someone says anything that shows the pain of a class, these people chime in with l2p, or you suck this and that. Hell try to get help as a necro and watch what happens.

zorros · 03-26-2008, 02:25 PM

Uros@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Rattface@Nagafen wrote:
Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck!
Have you ever played a defiler in PvP, or even in a duel? If not, I'd suggest that you silence yourself, because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Defilers have absolutely no chance against multiple enemies, or even one scout using stupefying poison. Don't believe me? Roll up a defiler and go fight a swashbuckler. You'll die. Every time. And then ignorant people like yourself will make fun of you.

I suggest you try and play a dirge solo before you talk that kind of rubbish. Dirge is prob the 2nd worse solo class behind a necro fyi

zorros · 03-26-2008, 02:30 PM

MMKA wrote:

We are currently questing in KP with our 65s and getting attacked every 1-3 minutes by every 80, group or raid that rolls up. Some even sit there for hours and gank us over and over again. Since our 80 alts are not in fabled yet, we simply get our revenge by taking them to every other unlimited zone and ganking anyone we find - gray or not at least until our evac is back up.
Once you hit ROK, it's nothing but a big gank fest. If you are not running in big groups, or a class with evac and/or track, you will get ganked 100 times more than you ever did in T2.

Simple answer really DONT GO TO KP THEN AT 65. Plenty of other zones to exp in and quest. This is a pvp server not a care bear server

CtrlF · 03-26-2008, 02:34 PM

I've tried to bring this up a few times in other threads, so it's very nice to see that there's a thread specifically about this now.

I have my level 80, so that's all well and good. I also have a level 74, who was lucky enough to finish Kylong Plains before the Writs, so that's actually not so bad either.

However, I have a level 59 who I was planning to bring to Kylong Plains at 65 (min level for Sokokar quest). With the way things are now in Kylong Plains - and not to disagree with some of the posters above, but this is every night, all night - I don't see how I can possibly quest in KP at all. My best bet would be to level up to 68 or so in the Kingdom of Sky zones and Loping Plains, and then skip Kylong completely to go to Fens. Of course this would result in me missing the best questlines in the game for levels 65-68.

Right now it is impossible to level in Kylong Plains ... at least on the Nagafen server.

Dracot · 03-26-2008, 02:43 PM

Itscrackerjack@Nagafen wrote:

Uros@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Rattface@Nagafen wrote:
Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck!
Have you ever played a defiler in PvP, or even in a duel? If not, I'd suggest that you silence yourself, because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Defilers have absolutely no chance against multiple enemies, or even one scout using stupefying poison. Don't believe me? Roll up a defiler and go fight a swashbuckler. You'll die. Every time. And then ignorant people like yourself will make fun of you.
I suggest you try and play a dirge solo before you talk that kind of rubbish. Dirge is prob the 2nd worse solo class behind a necro fyi

Ummm wrong!!! U got coecers, and conjies and then even guardians b4 dirge. U do have the option to track still bud, any reason why your being killed is your lack of watching your surroundings.

Guld_Ulrish · 03-26-2008, 02:59 PM

Noway that Guardians is before Dirges, I would say Shamans. But I think they can do rely good if the get the fear prov pvp itreams and the 20% decrease threath shiled.

Sorffats · 03-26-2008, 03:12 PM

I can understand the pain of the OP, but I'd have to agree with another person that stated the raid pvp isn't in KP all the time. Yes, for a few hours most nights, there is a ton of raid pvp in KP. On each of these nights, even though we are getting a good bit of tokens, us FPs get bored with Q rez zerging at the docks. Since their evac/revive spot is RIGHT THERE at the dock, it presents them with too difficult to pass up of an option to just revive up and run back in. Not that I blame them, but I'd rather SOE either move the Q evac/revive spot (so they can't run to the dock to immediately re-engage the pvp or stay in immunity while getting on the dock) or give the FPs an evac/revive spot on the other side of the dock so that we have the same advantage.

Anyway, that's an entirely different post, and not meaning to derail this one. This is a pvp server. People pvp in different ways. Some solo, some run in duo's or trios, some run full groups, and some enjoy raid pvp for a bit (I don't think any of us that do the raid pvp in KP want to do it all the time). As much as you might not like it, you may need to find a different time to quest at the KP docks. Prime time is always going to be a hard time to level/quest. The pvp groups and raids are out in abundance in nearly every zone. I have a lvl 71 inquisitor that I would like to level up at some point, but you can bet the farm that I'm not gonna be doing any solo questing with my inquisitor during prime time.

Csky · 03-26-2008, 03:19 PM

the same people that are defending this garbage because of the free tokens will be the same ones crying "WAAAAAAAAAAA PVP is dead we cant find anyone that wants to PVP please SoE merge servers and advertise"" O wait!!

KatrinaDeath · 03-26-2008, 04:56 PM

I started leveling my old main Katy recently... Best place to level from 70-72 is in KP2 or KP3. Once you get past that the other zones are not too hard to level in... YOU WILL GET ROLLED!!! But thats why we play on the red servers right? No risk/No reward.btw I'm on Katy in Freeport on Naggy if anyone wants to have a chat. Solo questing is boring tbh

CtrlF · 03-26-2008, 05:04 PM

Swisha@Nagafen wrote:

I started leveling my old main Katy recently... Best place to level from 70-72 is in KP2 or KP3. Once you get past that the other zones are not too hard to level in... YOU WILL GET ROLLED!!! But thats why we play on the red servers right? No risk/No reward.btw I'm on Katy in Freeport on Naggy if anyone wants to have a chat. Solo questing is boring tbh

Yes, you are 100% correct. The best way to level in KP is to wait for KP3 to open up. The best way to get that to happen is to sit in Karnor's during prime time and keep trying until you get it.

It seems obvious that this is how SOE meant for people to level up on PvP servers.

Roald · 03-26-2008, 05:12 PM

If there are so many people ganking you that you can't get anything done, it is more than likely that KP2 is up. Go there.

Bloodfa · 03-26-2008, 05:34 PM

Milambers@Nagafen wrote:

If there are so many people ganking you that you can't get anything done, it is more than likely that KP2 is up. Go there.

/applaud

Imagine that. A solution.

Roald · 03-26-2008, 05:56 PM

Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:

Milambers@Nagafen wrote:
If there are so many people ganking you that you can't get anything done, it is more than likely that KP2 is up. Go there.
/applaud
Imagine that. A solution.

The simplest idea are often the best SMILEY

And more often overlooked SMILEY

Hamervelder · 03-26-2008, 09:24 PM

Lilflier wrote:

That is completely untrue. Having played a defiler to 80, yes... it's much more difficult to avoid fights in the first place, but once you are fighting, a defiler has many more options than most scouts, and has a better chance againt mulitiple enemies than many other characters. Yes, swashbucklers are the hardest scouts for defilers to beat, but it's certainly not impossible.
And in a duel situation.... good grief, with the chance to preward... that makes defilers awfully hard for any class to beat.

A good swashbuckler will eat through your ward in seconds. SMILEY

And if you don't get prewarded, you're screwed. And for the record, I have never lost to a priest of any kind on my swashbuckler. Neither in duels, nor on the Test PvP server before it was made PvE.

Stuckx · 03-26-2008, 11:05 PM

Uros@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Lilflier wrote:
That is completely untrue. Having played a defiler to 80, yes... it's much more difficult to avoid fights in the first place, but once you are fighting, a defiler has many more options than most scouts, and has a better chance againt mulitiple enemies than many other characters. Yes, swashbucklers are the hardest scouts for defilers to beat, but it's certainly not impossible.
And in a duel situation.... good grief, with the chance to preward... that makes defilers awfully hard for any class to beat.
A good swashbuckler will eat through your ward in seconds. " width="15" height="15" /> And if you don't get prewarded, you're screwed. And for the record, I have never lost to a priest of any kind on my swashbuckler. Neither in duels, nor on the Test PvP server before it was made PvE.

A garbage swashy will eat through your wards pretty fast too.If you can't preward before fighting a swashy,your dead..and your still dead even if you get the preward off...what with Swashy's auto attacking for 1.5k atleast.

KannaWhoopass · 03-27-2008, 03:18 AM

How i interpreted this .

I zoned into an area full of PvP raids.

I was a t7 toon in a t8 zone.

I didnt fight back.

I kept reviving and from the sounds of things sprinting back to where the raid killed me.

and i died... 27 times in a row.

What was the expected outcome here ?

I can only conclude it was to see how many times you could die?

If you are trying for a record i would suggest .. doing a /claim and getting the vodka .. and use totems .. then you can run back and get killed at 100% run speed .

Im sure you can up that death streak to 35 or 50 in the same time frame if you do that simple thing ..

Taking off all of your armor would help also .. and name your pet .. "KillMe"

Be sure to attack a mob as soon as you revive .. to break immunity .. and enable the raid to attack you sooner.

Turn down graphic settings to low so you can revive faster and cut down on the reloading screen.

Get some of those tinkerer mana stones that kill you when you use them and use it whenever possible. You wont even need to wait for someone to kill you!

Jumping off a high place works well ... also trying to solo x4 Epics, in a pinch you can run into the ocean swim to the bottom and wait to drown

but that is not efficient and should only be used when no other death options are available.

Im sure if you follow these simple steps you can suicide even faster!

Who knows perhaps even 100 deaths in that same time period.

You could go for a all time death record .. currenly heald by the bot guild

Rumor had it they foud a revive point in the middle of a lava lake ... so they may have cheated.

The sky is the limit .. go for it .. chase your dream

WasFycksir · 03-27-2008, 09:22 AM

Rattface@Nagafen wrote:

Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck!

Defilers don't have track and evac maybe?

Amphibia · 03-27-2008, 10:04 AM

WasFycksir wrote:

Rattface@Nagafen wrote:
Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck!
Defilers don't have track and evac maybe?

Don't use logic in here....

Bozidar · 03-27-2008, 10:10 AM

Rattface@Nagafen wrote:

Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck!

bards have track and evac.. it's not even the same thing.

03-25-2008, 09:10 PM	#1
tshook Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 50	Well I have a new toon coming up in the 50's now so I decided to take my 74 toon (retired btw, but that is another story) to KP to see how bad it is going to be based on other high 60 low 70 guildies trying to level up to 80. I did this to see how the new changes to pvp would affect me (writs, RAID updates etc). The idea here is to try to find out the level of pain I am going to have to endure. In the span of 2 hours I was killed 27 times. My retired char is a defiler so fighting back wasnt an option (which was actually a good thing). I was rolled by a few solos but mostly groups and a raid or 2. Over and Over and Over. I simulated going to the docks to get quest starters... going to the quest area, returning, doing the sok posts... doing everything that my soon to be 70 toon would have to endure. It was awful. So the question is, what kind of crafter should my new toon become when I hit 70? __________________ http://www.apocalyst.com/sgd/colbi.gif

03-26-2008, 02:28 AM	#3
-Arctura- Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,589	dellaripa wrote: Didn't the level 80s complain that the level lockers were driving people away? Nice! Sounds perfectly unplayable. Remind me not to level up. (( considering the pvp exp lock went into effect about the same time as the release of RoK, it was the 70s that were complaining not the non-existant-yet 80s (but yes, I think It's a bit ironic how everyone went to Nagafen for 'hardcore pvp' ....and now people are bailing out for other servers because its TOO hardcore and it stings

03-26-2008, 09:56 AM	#5
Rattfa Server: Nagafen Guild: Purity Rank: Friends And Family General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,083	Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck! __________________ Squeeeek, 80 Brigand - Nagafen Rattface, 80 Fury - Nagafen

03-26-2008, 10:43 AM	#6
Bloodfa Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,873	If it's primetime and there's raids ... you're going to be collateral damage. But that's not every night, nor is it all night long. I'd suggest getting the quests and getting as far away from the docks as possible. Let's face it, if somebody hits 68+, they ain't a newcommer. They should know what to do and what not to do. Being solo where there's a lot of pvping going on is never a good idea. The writs and the raids seem to be working on an ebb & flow. The timer's making for lull's where the victor waits for the losing side to regroup, reorganize and attack. There are usually 2 instances open when the raids are duking it out, with one full and the other getting the overflow. I'd suggest not being in the packed one for the 2 or 3 hours where it's crazy. And we've got several guildies levelling up in the same level ranges ... they're surviving, so it's not anything like what it was for a level 15 newbie back in the old days. Apples to oranges. __________________

03-26-2008, 10:50 AM	#7
Hamervelder Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,585	Rattface@Nagafen wrote: Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck! Have you ever played a defiler in PvP, or even in a duel? If not, I'd suggest that you silence yourself, because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Defilers have absolutely no chance against multiple enemies, or even one scout using stupefying poison. Don't believe me? Roll up a defiler and go fight a swashbuckler. You'll die. Every time. And then ignorant people like yourself will make fun of you. __________________ Elhonas Warden of Mayhem, Antonia Bayle

03-26-2008, 01:30 AM	#2
dellaripa Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 195	Didn't the level 80s complain that the level lockers were driving people away? Nice! Sounds perfectly unplayable. Remind me not to level up.

03-26-2008, 09:45 AM	#4
Derrickr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 94	Since when is rolling solo players with a raid considered hardcore?

03-26-2008, 11:37 AM	#8
Lilflier Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 139	That is completely untrue. Having played a defiler to 80, yes... it's much more difficult to avoid fights in the first place, but once you are fighting, a defiler has many more options than most scouts, and has a better chance againt mulitiple enemies than many other characters. Yes, swashbucklers are the hardest scouts for defilers to beat, but it's certainly not impossible. And in a duel situation.... good grief, with the chance to preward... that makes defilers awfully hard for any class to beat.

03-26-2008, 12:03 PM	#9
Bloodfa Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,873	Lilflier wrote: That is completely untrue. Having played a defiler to 80, yes... it's much more difficult to avoid fights in the first place, but once you are fighting, a defiler has many more options than most scouts, and has a better chance againt mulitiple enemies than many other characters. Yes, swashbucklers are the hardest scouts for defilers to beat, but it's certainly not impossible. And in a duel situation.... good grief, with the chance to preward... that makes defilers awfully hard for any class to beat. True dat. First (and only) time I 1v1'ed a Defiler, I gave him ample time to get set. Longest fight evah ... __________________

03-26-2008, 12:21 PM	#10
MMKA Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 124	We are currently questing in KP with our 65s and getting attacked every 1-3 minutes by every 80, group or raid that rolls up. Some even sit there for hours and gank us over and over again. Since our 80 alts are not in fabled yet, we simply get our revenge by taking them to every other unlimited zone and ganking anyone we find - gray or not at least until our evac is back up. Once you hit ROK, it's nothing but a big gank fest. If you are not running in big groups, or a class with evac and/or track, you will get ganked 100 times more than you ever did in T2.

03-26-2008, 01:23 PM	#11
Roald Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,417	tshook wrote: Well I have a new toon coming up in the 50's now so I decided to take my 74 toon (retired btw, but that is another story) to KP to see how bad it is going to be based on other high 60 low 70 guildies trying to level up to 80. I did this to see how the new changes to pvp would affect me (writs, RAID updates etc). The idea here is to try to find out the level of pain I am going to have to endure. In the span of 2 hours I was killed 27 times. My retired char is a defiler so fighting back wasnt an option (which was actually a good thing). I was rolled by a few solos but mostly groups and a raid or 2. Over and Over and Over. I simulated going to the docks to get quest starters... going to the quest area, returning, doing the sok posts... doing everything that my soon to be 70 toon would have to endure. It was awful. So the question is, what kind of crafter should my new toon become when I hit 70? QFC __________________ Lickle Milambers Qtoon

03-26-2008, 02:22 PM	#12
Dracot General Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 354	Uros@Antonia Bayle wrote: Rattface@Nagafen wrote: Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck! Have you ever played a defiler in PvP, or even in a duel? If not, I'd suggest that you silence yourself, because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Defilers have absolutely no chance against multiple enemies, or even one scout using stupefying poison. Don't believe me? Roll up a defiler and go fight a swashbuckler. You'll die. Every time. And then ignorant people like yourself will make fun of you. Just ignore the trolls, anytime someone says anything that shows the pain of a class, these people chime in with l2p, or you suck this and that. Hell try to get help as a necro and watch what happens. __________________

03-26-2008, 02:25 PM	#13
zorros Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 474	Uros@Antonia Bayle wrote: Rattface@Nagafen wrote: Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck! Have you ever played a defiler in PvP, or even in a duel? If not, I'd suggest that you silence yourself, because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Defilers have absolutely no chance against multiple enemies, or even one scout using stupefying poison. Don't believe me? Roll up a defiler and go fight a swashbuckler. You'll die. Every time. And then ignorant people like yourself will make fun of you. I suggest you try and play a dirge solo before you talk that kind of rubbish. Dirge is prob the 2nd worse solo class behind a necro fyi

03-26-2008, 02:30 PM	#14
zorros Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 474	MMKA wrote: We are currently questing in KP with our 65s and getting attacked every 1-3 minutes by every 80, group or raid that rolls up. Some even sit there for hours and gank us over and over again. Since our 80 alts are not in fabled yet, we simply get our revenge by taking them to every other unlimited zone and ganking anyone we find - gray or not at least until our evac is back up. Once you hit ROK, it's nothing but a big gank fest. If you are not running in big groups, or a class with evac and/or track, you will get ganked 100 times more than you ever did in T2. Simple answer really DONT GO TO KP THEN AT 65. Plenty of other zones to exp in and quest. This is a pvp server not a care bear server

03-26-2008, 02:34 PM	#15
CtrlF General Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 75	I've tried to bring this up a few times in other threads, so it's very nice to see that there's a thread specifically about this now. I have my level 80, so that's all well and good. I also have a level 74, who was lucky enough to finish Kylong Plains before the Writs, so that's actually not so bad either. However, I have a level 59 who I was planning to bring to Kylong Plains at 65 (min level for Sokokar quest). With the way things are now in Kylong Plains - and not to disagree with some of the posters above, but this is every night, all night - I don't see how I can possibly quest in KP at all. My best bet would be to level up to 68 or so in the Kingdom of Sky zones and Loping Plains, and then skip Kylong completely to go to Fens. Of course this would result in me missing the best questlines in the game for levels 65-68. Right now it is impossible to level in Kylong Plains ... at least on the Nagafen server.

03-26-2008, 02:43 PM	#16
Dracot General Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 354	Itscrackerjack@Nagafen wrote: Uros@Antonia Bayle wrote: Rattface@Nagafen wrote: Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck! Have you ever played a defiler in PvP, or even in a duel? If not, I'd suggest that you silence yourself, because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Defilers have absolutely no chance against multiple enemies, or even one scout using stupefying poison. Don't believe me? Roll up a defiler and go fight a swashbuckler. You'll die. Every time. And then ignorant people like yourself will make fun of you. I suggest you try and play a dirge solo before you talk that kind of rubbish. Dirge is prob the 2nd worse solo class behind a necro fyi Ummm wrong!!! U got coecers, and conjies and then even guardians b4 dirge. U do have the option to track still bud, any reason why your being killed is your lack of watching your surroundings. __________________

03-26-2008, 02:59 PM	#17
Guld_Ulrish Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 607	Noway that Guardians is before Dirges, I would say Shamans. But I think they can do rely good if the get the fear prov pvp itreams and the 20% decrease threath shiled. __________________ (Koppar PvP video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8VCJxS5p3s

03-26-2008, 03:12 PM	#18
Sorffats Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 377	I can understand the pain of the OP, but I'd have to agree with another person that stated the raid pvp isn't in KP all the time. Yes, for a few hours most nights, there is a ton of raid pvp in KP. On each of these nights, even though we are getting a good bit of tokens, us FPs get bored with Q rez zerging at the docks. Since their evac/revive spot is RIGHT THERE at the dock, it presents them with too difficult to pass up of an option to just revive up and run back in. Not that I blame them, but I'd rather SOE either move the Q evac/revive spot (so they can't run to the dock to immediately re-engage the pvp or stay in immunity while getting on the dock) or give the FPs an evac/revive spot on the other side of the dock so that we have the same advantage. Anyway, that's an entirely different post, and not meaning to derail this one. This is a pvp server. People pvp in different ways. Some solo, some run in duo's or trios, some run full groups, and some enjoy raid pvp for a bit (I don't think any of us that do the raid pvp in KP want to do it all the time). As much as you might not like it, you may need to find a different time to quest at the KP docks. Prime time is always going to be a hard time to level/quest. The pvp groups and raids are out in abundance in nearly every zone. I have a lvl 71 inquisitor that I would like to level up at some point, but you can bet the farm that I'm not gonna be doing any solo questing with my inquisitor during prime time.

03-26-2008, 03:19 PM	#19
Csky Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 420	the same people that are defending this garbage because of the free tokens will be the same ones crying "WAAAAAAAAAAA PVP is dead we cant find anyone that wants to PVP please SoE merge servers and advertise"" O wait!!

03-26-2008, 04:56 PM	#20
KatrinaDeath Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota Posts: 690	I started leveling my old main Katy recently... Best place to level from 70-72 is in KP2 or KP3. Once you get past that the other zones are not too hard to level in... YOU WILL GET ROLLED!!! But thats why we play on the red servers right? No risk/No reward.btw I'm on Katy in Freeport on Naggy if anyone wants to have a chat. Solo questing is boring tbh

03-26-2008, 05:04 PM	#21
CtrlF General Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 75	Swisha@Nagafen wrote: I started leveling my old main Katy recently... Best place to level from 70-72 is in KP2 or KP3. Once you get past that the other zones are not too hard to level in... YOU WILL GET ROLLED!!! But thats why we play on the red servers right? No risk/No reward.btw I'm on Katy in Freeport on Naggy if anyone wants to have a chat. Solo questing is boring tbh Yes, you are 100% correct. The best way to level in KP is to wait for KP3 to open up. The best way to get that to happen is to sit in Karnor's during prime time and keep trying until you get it. It seems obvious that this is how SOE meant for people to level up on PvP servers.

03-26-2008, 05:12 PM	#22
Roald Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,417	If there are so many people ganking you that you can't get anything done, it is more than likely that KP2 is up. Go there. __________________ Lickle Milambers Qtoon

03-26-2008, 05:34 PM	#23
Bloodfa Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,873	Milambers@Nagafen wrote: If there are so many people ganking you that you can't get anything done, it is more than likely that KP2 is up. Go there. /applaud Imagine that. A solution. __________________

03-26-2008, 05:56 PM	#24
Roald Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,417	Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote: Milambers@Nagafen wrote: If there are so many people ganking you that you can't get anything done, it is more than likely that KP2 is up. Go there. /applaud Imagine that. A solution. The simplest idea are often the best And more often overlooked __________________ Lickle Milambers Qtoon

03-26-2008, 09:24 PM	#25
Hamervelder Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,585	Lilflier wrote: That is completely untrue. Having played a defiler to 80, yes... it's much more difficult to avoid fights in the first place, but once you are fighting, a defiler has many more options than most scouts, and has a better chance againt mulitiple enemies than many other characters. Yes, swashbucklers are the hardest scouts for defilers to beat, but it's certainly not impossible. And in a duel situation.... good grief, with the chance to preward... that makes defilers awfully hard for any class to beat. A good swashbuckler will eat through your ward in seconds. And if you don't get prewarded, you're screwed. And for the record, I have never lost to a priest of any kind on my swashbuckler. Neither in duels, nor on the Test PvP server before it was made PvE. __________________ Elhonas Warden of Mayhem, Antonia Bayle

03-26-2008, 11:05 PM	#26
Stuckx Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 754	Uros@Antonia Bayle wrote: Lilflier wrote: That is completely untrue. Having played a defiler to 80, yes... it's much more difficult to avoid fights in the first place, but once you are fighting, a defiler has many more options than most scouts, and has a better chance againt mulitiple enemies than many other characters. Yes, swashbucklers are the hardest scouts for defilers to beat, but it's certainly not impossible. And in a duel situation.... good grief, with the chance to preward... that makes defilers awfully hard for any class to beat. *A good swashbuckler will eat through your ward in seconds.* " width="15" height="15" /> And if you don't get prewarded, you're screwed. And for the record, I have never lost to a priest of any kind on my swashbuckler. Neither in duels, nor on the Test PvP server before it was made PvE. A garbage swashy will eat through your wards pretty fast too.If you can't preward before fighting a swashy,your dead..and your still dead even if you get the preward off...what with Swashy's auto attacking for 1.5k atleast. __________________ Making all your dreams come true,the crushing them in a fiery explosion!

03-27-2008, 03:18 AM	#27
KannaWhoopass Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 399	How i interpreted this . I zoned into an area full of PvP raids. I was a t7 toon in a t8 zone. I didnt fight back. I kept reviving and from the sounds of things sprinting back to where the raid killed me. and i died... 27 times in a row. What was the expected outcome here ? I can only conclude it was to see how many times you could die? If you are trying for a record i would suggest .. doing a /claim and getting the vodka .. and use totems .. then you can run back and get killed at 100% run speed . Im sure you can up that death streak to 35 or 50 in the same time frame if you do that simple thing .. Taking off all of your armor would help also .. and name your pet .. "KillMe" Be sure to attack a mob as soon as you revive .. to break immunity .. and enable the raid to attack you sooner. Turn down graphic settings to low so you can revive faster and cut down on the reloading screen. Get some of those tinkerer mana stones that kill you when you use them and use it whenever possible. You wont even need to wait for someone to kill you! Jumping off a high place works well ... also trying to solo x4 Epics, in a pinch you can run into the ocean swim to the bottom and wait to drown but that is not efficient and should only be used when no other death options are available. Im sure if you follow these simple steps you can suicide even faster! Who knows perhaps even 100 deaths in that same time period. You could go for a all time death record .. currenly heald by the bot guild Rumor had it they foud a revive point in the middle of a lava lake ... so they may have cheated. The sky is the limit .. go for it .. chase your dream

03-27-2008, 09:22 AM	#28
WasFycksir Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 554	Rattface@Nagafen wrote: Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck! Defilers don't have track and evac maybe?

03-27-2008, 10:04 AM	#29
Amphibia Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,256	WasFycksir wrote: Rattface@Nagafen wrote: Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck! Defilers don't have track and evac maybe? Don't use logic in here.... __________________

03-27-2008, 10:10 AM	#30
Bozidar Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,292	Rattface@Nagafen wrote: Funny, I levelled a dirge to 80 while the writs were in place. Solo. It wasn't as bad as you're describing. You either had a bad night, or you like to whine...or you just plain suck! No escaping it. You're a blubie, and don't belong on Nagafen. There should be a disclaimer when you try to create a new character on Nagafen...Not for noobs, bluebies or people who suck! bards have track and evac.. it's not even the same thing.