PUGs are back

[StormCinder]

Just had to say something after all the complaining on these boards.  Participated in 3 PUGs (so far) this weekend and all of them were perfect.  Everyone knew their job...no jerks, no loot hogs, no bad language, no sore losers for drops, no 'do my quest' then LD.

One was a 20s FG.  One was a 30s RE.  And the last was technically a double...high 50s...morphed into a low 50s when some folks went to bed and others joined.

Just a great weekend for PUGs.

Hope everyone else is having as good luck.

SC

[Mareth]

Congratulations!

[Gojira_Shipi-Taro]

StormCinder wrote:

Just had to say something after all the complaining on these boards.  Participated in 3 PUGs (so far) this weekend and all of them were perfect.  Everyone knew their job...no jerks, no loot hogs, no bad language, no sore losers for drops, no 'do my quest' then LD.

One was a 20s FG.  One was a 30s RE.  And the last was technically a double...high 50s...morphed into a low 50s when some folks went to bed and others joined.

Just a great weekend for PUGs.

Hope everyone else is having as good luck.

SC

The stars must be in allignment for you, because PUGs still suck for most of us. I only group with Guild or Alliance, but I get to read the crap that guildies that do PUG have to go through. Most don't bother with it for long. Congratulations on your good fortune, but PUGs are NOT back. They are the same horrible experience they have ever been.

[Gladiia]

Gojira_Shipi-Taro wrote:

StormCinder wrote:

Just had to say something after all the complaining on these boards.  Participated in 3 PUGs (so far) this weekend and all of them were perfect.  Everyone knew their job...no jerks, no loot hogs, no bad language, no sore losers for drops, no 'do my quest' then LD.

One was a 20s FG.  One was a 30s RE.  And the last was technically a double...high 50s...morphed into a low 50s when some folks went to bed and others joined.

Just a great weekend for PUGs.

Hope everyone else is having as good luck.

SC

The stars must be in allignment for you, because PUGs still suck for most of us. I only group with Guild or Alliance, but I get to read the crap that guildies that do PUG have to go through. Most don't bother with it for long. Congratulations on your good fortune, but PUGs are NOT back. They are the same horrible experience they have ever been.

most of us?

I've seen maybe 3 or 4 dozen people ever complain about pugs on the boards - if that.

In about a year of playing at least 80% of my pugs have been at least good - and of the good ones over half were great or better.  Some sucked something terrible, but most haven't.

Seriously, I think for most people it takes 10 good pugs to forget 1 sucky one (at least I have always heard that it takes someone hearing 10 compliments to forget one insult).  Yeah, some pugs suck...hell, some guild groups suck sometimes when stuff doesn't go right.  Sure, you are gonna have higher success rates when grouping with the exact same people night after night after night -  but that doesn't make pugs suck.  Sucky pugs are what make pugs suck, and in my experience their aren't near as many sucky pugs as people say.

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[dawy]

I like PUG's i really do i find they're a nice way to meet new people but sadly since ROK i've managed to get into about 5 groups i find this rather sad even though i solo most of the time its nice to have the option to go grouping once in awhile,its that bad i've still not got my epic weapon quest going yet

So i would hardly say thier back in any great numbers which as i say is a shame.

[Margen]

The problem with PUGs is its such a hit or miss issue.  I've met some outstanding players/people in PUGs which was a lot of fun and succesful.  Yeah someone would make a mistake sometimes, but they owned up to it and learned from it and we went on.  But then you get in those groups that make you grind your teeth and scream at the computer.

My two main characters are a swashy and SK, I found that my dislike for PUGs is much more prevelent when I tank vs dps.  When I am playing my swashy I just give the tank a few seconds to get the mob postioned and get some hate built up and then dps my heart out. 

But when I tank its amazing the number of people I've played with that have no clue how to manage agro.  Wizards that nuke on the pull, healers that preward on a body pull, scouts that attack the mob as soon as he comes in range etc..  Then they scream at me to "taunt", its enough to make me want to choke someone.

In PUG the most dreaded word for when I tank is "Hey, I am running a parse"!  Don't get me wrong, the parse can be a fine tool, but it seems that some dps players think scoring high on the parse is of more importance than being an effecent group.

Some times PUGs can be alot of fun, meeting new people, see new methods in playing etc.. But, sometimes it would try the patiance of a saint!

[Oh]

Blackoath@Kithicor wrote:

But when I tank its amazing the number of people I've played with that have no clue how to manage agro.  Wizards that nuke on the pull, healers that preward on a body pull, scouts that attack the mob as soon as he comes in range etc..  Then they scream at me to "taunt", its enough to make me want to choke someone.

As a healer I have to emphasie this portion, I usually see a bunch of DPS that just don't know how to play in a group. Now there is the rare case it's the tank's fault or like posted the healer prewarding but normally it's the folks that never grouped and are now 80 and trying to get their epic's done >.< Also note, I can't preward I'm a druid, but yea i know let the tank body pull get some hate and heal the mofo out of him. Like others posted there are always exceptions, i have been in some great pugs, and then there are others.. OOh and i just hate the standard knee jerk responses like it's the tank's fault he didn't taunt, it's the healers fault he didn't stop healing the tank to heal the UBAR DPS that pulled agro.

[Killerbee3000]

i dont mind running pick up groups, but then people get warned that i'm well aware of what the  kick button does and that i wont hesitate to use i t, its rather simply philosophy of me, give them a  chance, but if they suck simply kick.

[Mariss]

I participate in PuG's all the time, and 95% of the time they go really well. And the 5% where that don't is usually attributed to one or two people who disrupt strategy or success because they're too consumed with getting a higher parse.I really enjoy pugs.  You meet new people.  Your friends/contacts list gets larger as you learn who you like grouping with and reduces the "I can never find a group!" complaint when all your guildies happen to be offline.  And you learn a lot of different strategies you've never considered before.  But then, I'm basing this on my attitude that I don't flip out when a party wipes a few times trying to accomplish something a tad bit over their average level limit.Parsing however, while has a use it's designed for, can really disrupt a group.  Tanks can't hold aggro because the DPSers are trying to up their parse.  Tanks spend too much time trying to get their own DPS up to show they can dish damage.  Casters lose sight of mezzing, rooting, debuffing etc cuz they want to jump in on the dps bandwagon too.  When this happens, I just drop group and not feel bad for doing it.Parse zealots are easy to spot when you have a SK tanking.  They're the ones complaining because the SK keeps forcing them to Feign Death to steal the aggro back.

[Terayon]

Killerbee3000 wrote:

i dont mind running pick up groups, but then people get warned that i'm well aware of what the  kick button does and that i wont hesitate to use i t, its rather simply philosophy of me, give them a  chance, but if they suck simply kick.

Do you try to help them understand? Keep in mind yelling "[I cannot control my vocabulary]!!!! Whyd you do that!!" doesn't qualify. If they aren't holding aggro right, or keep ripping aggro away, Do you simply spout somthing like that out? Or, say, "hey, So'N so, Please use X combat art, or wait a few seconds before using a big nuke"

Edit: Roflmao to the "censorship"..... **Narrows eyes**

I don't seem to encounter as many PUGs as i used to, infact its been a long time since i had a pug. Id be willing to do it, except theres never anyone in my level range on when im avail... meh.

[Killerbee3000]

Terayon wrote:

Killerbee3000 wrote:

i dont mind running pick up groups, but then people get warned that i'm well aware of what the  kick button does and that i wont hesitate to use i t, its rather simply philosophy of me, give them a  chance, but if they suck simply kick.

Do you try to help them understand? Keep in mind yelling "[I cannot control my vocabulary]!!!! Whyd you do that!!" doesn't qualify. If they aren't holding aggro right, or keep ripping aggro away, Do you simply spout somthing like that out? Or, say, "hey, So'N so, Please use X combat art, or wait a few seconds before using a big nuke"

Edit: Roflmao to the "censorship"..... **Narrows eyes**

I don't seem to encounter as many PUGs as i used to, infact its been a long time since i had a pug. Id be willing to do it, except theres never anyone in my level range on when im avail... meh.

nah, i don't yell around in group chat, i save that for [Removed for Content] about ninja changed raid encounters on teampseak I do try to help them, but some of the people you meet in pug's are simply beyond helping. as for your level range, well, i dont know your level, but i have plenty of alts and i can say that there arent too many groups before the high 70's anymore as many simply solo to 80 and then start grouping, the weird thing is that even if you havent seen much talking in lower levels level channels you will usually have a pretty good chance to get a group if you start one your self.

[ke'la]

I can honestly say in my 3 years in EQ2 I think I have had maybe 3 or 4 Bad PuGs, and countless good or extreemly good PuGs. Both as a Monk tanking(not the easiest thing to do(heck get aloud to do) in a PuG, and as a Swashbuckler. That said as a Swashbuckler I can honestly say unless the tank is a total Idiot(or sugnificantly below my level), if I take agro from the tank its 100% my fault... sometime I do it for fun... if the group can handle it.

[ke'la]

Killerbee3000 wrote:

Terayon wrote:

Killerbee3000 wrote:

i dont mind running pick up groups, but then people get warned that i'm well aware of what the  kick button does and that i wont hesitate to use i t, its rather simply philosophy of me, give them a  chance, but if they suck simply kick.

Do you try to help them understand? Keep in mind yelling "[I cannot control my vocabulary]!!!! Whyd you do that!!" doesn't qualify. If they aren't holding aggro right, or keep ripping aggro away, Do you simply spout somthing like that out? Or, say, "hey, So'N so, Please use X combat art, or wait a few seconds before using a big nuke"

Edit: Roflmao to the "censorship"..... **Narrows eyes**

I don't seem to encounter as many PUGs as i used to, infact its been a long time since i had a pug. Id be willing to do it, except theres never anyone in my level range on when im avail... meh.

nah, i don't yell around in group chat, i save that for [I cannot control my vocabulary] about ninja changed raid encounters on teampseak I do try to help them, but some of the people you meet in pug's are simply beyond helping. as for your level range, well, i dont know your level, but i have plenty of alts and i can say that there arent too many groups before the high 70's anymore as many simply solo to 80 and then start grouping, the weird thing is that even if you havent seen much talking in lower levels level channels you will usually have a pretty good chance to get a group if you start one your self.

I have seen that even in the upper levels, people want to group, they just don't seem to want to START a group. Heck I have seen a very good Core Group all spaming LFG  all around the same time, as well as seening full groups or near full groups show up in the /lfg window.

[Fenris]

I give warning that if you don't wait 3 secs after the tank gets a slap on the critter (not a ranged slap either) before dropping nukes heals etc, don't look at me when the encounter goes south. Especially as a druid in a raid that seems to always get the wizard group babysitting job. I hate that more than anything as almost 90% of the groups like that, no one seems to have the remotest clue that mana burning or whatever the biggest nuke of the day is as soon as the tank pulls is gonna draw the aggro. I will usually just let them die in this instance as I use far less mana rezzing them than trying to keep them alive. Sorry. but it's true. Especially if they dropped those nukes before the tank really had a chance to get the aggro.....