WoWHead/Thottbot style site for EQ2?

Solu · 02-02-2008, 08:45 AM

The newer zones are really well done in terms of quests camps and 'theme park' style progression of working your way across a zone. However the original zones are a nightmare with quest givers all over the map(s), being sent left right and centre and referring to places I don't know about. This adds up to me really wondering how bad I need these AA points SMILEY

If this was WoW I'd go to WoWHead and pump in the quest, go 'ahhh' and be on my merry way SMILEY So does EQ2 have a quest/mob database site or am I stuck bashing my head against the wall until I leave the old world again?

Rahatmattata · 02-02-2008, 09:13 AM

Try http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category:EverQuest_II or just google the quest name.

TheFitz · 02-02-2008, 09:57 AM

Allakhazam also has a EQ2 site. It's a little more user friendly IMO but every now and then a quest will be missing. Wiki does have all the quest but seems "clunky" to me.

http://eq2.allakhazam.com/

*edit- added link

Dannan · 02-02-2008, 11:58 AM

I use both... while alla's quests are better written and understandable... the wiki has the better organization of the two so you know what to do when.

Ketinvik · 02-02-2008, 02:29 PM

Also, consider getting EQ2Map and the POI finder to assist you.

erin · 02-02-2008, 08:58 PM

TheFitz wrote:

Allakhazam also has a EQ2 site. It's a little more user friendly IMO but every now and then a quest will be missing. Wiki does have all the quest but seems "clunky" to me.
http://eq2.allakhazam.com/
*edit- added link

Funny, I find alla hugely clunky and rarely accurate (though I'll admit its been a while since I bothered going there). The wiki is very useable and I rarely find a quest that is missing.Plus they have some nice timelines (solo, heroic etc) that can help you figure out where to level. I love the wiki.I was a die-hard alla fan early on, but the wiki just beats it hands down these days IMHO.

Bladezil · 02-03-2008, 12:09 AM

To answer your question: No. There isn't.

There's a couple of crappy sites that will give you a "general" idea of what to do or where to go next but there are no EQ2 sites on the level of wowhead or thotbott. Yeah, I was angry too.

flesyMeM · 02-03-2008, 12:29 AM

The EQ2 UI isn't nearly as flexible as WoW's, and the client won't let you mine anywhere near the amount of data that WoW's will. Unless SOE makes some drastic changes someday there will never be a site like thottbot for EQ2. Between alla and eq2i.com and others you can usually find almost anything you happen to need though. Some exceptions, but there's plenty of good info available.

Cathars · 02-03-2008, 12:59 AM

Wikia has been able to answer any quest / mob question I've ever had.

Rahatmattata · 02-03-2008, 01:26 AM

Same.

Solu · 02-03-2008, 08:26 AM

EQ2i has a bit of a learning curve but so far its the better site since it links to EQ2Map for most NPCs. EQ2Map is nice little UI add-on but I just wish there was a way to make it searchable in game or have the dots show the nameplate without hoovering over it. Hard to find the right dot among the 100+ without having an idea of where it might be.

NiteWolfe · 02-03-2008, 08:59 AM

Solude wrote:

EQ2i has a bit of a learning curve but so far its the better site since it links to EQ2Map for most NPCs. EQ2Map is nice little UI add-on but I just wish there was a way to make it searchable in game or have the dots show the nameplate without hoovering over it. Hard to find the right dot among the 100+ without having an idea of where it might be.

If you look on the eq2interface.com site and find POI finder add on for eq2maps its a awsome tool. You click a button on the map and it pops up a list of all POI's in that zone. Sorted very well and when you click a item on the list it automaticly puts the X on the map window for you. I never played wow so iam not sure about there UI or there quest sites. But i can tell you theres several UI that take advantage of the eq2 ingame web browser. I use profits and on my quest helper, my journal and my examine windows theres several auto look up links (the wikia, ala, google eq2links and a item database) All i have to do to find out about a quest or a item is click the link and it pops up the ingame browser and does the search for me. Right there in game with out ever going to my desktop or typing in a search. Theres plenty of tools avalable for info you just need to install them.

Solu · 02-03-2008, 11:09 AM

Thanks for tip on POI Finder, its pretty much exactly what I wanted SMILEY

England · 02-03-2008, 12:17 PM

You do know there are mods that allow you to click an icon under every quest and browse to EQi (Wiki) and/or Allakhazam automatically - in game, no need to even leave it or alt screen. Even all items show these icons.EQ2's learning curve is longer than WoW, but remember that is what causes it to be a longer journey, besides because of its immense amount of content.

erin · 02-03-2008, 12:52 PM

Bladezilla wrote:

To answer your question: No. There isn't.
There's a couple of crappy sites that will give you a "general" idea of what to do or where to go next but there are no EQ2 sites on the level of wowhead or thotbott. Yeah, I was angry too.

I have no idea what the things mentioned by the OP are, since I've never played wow, but they sound like "cheat" sites, as in, they give you info you would struggle with in the game. What part exactly made you "angry"???

Solu · 02-03-2008, 01:15 PM

England wrote:

You do know there are mods that allow you to click an icon under every quest and browse to EQi (Wiki) and/or Allakhazam automatically - in game, no need to even leave it or alt screen. Even all items show these icons.EQ2's learning curve is longer than WoW, but remember that is what causes it to be a longer journey, besides because of its immense amount of content.

If I knew I wouldn't have asked And err I still don't after your little chest banging post

Wandering mindlessly around for hours doesn't add 'value' to my journey it frustrates me. SOE knows this, that's why expansion zones do a much better job of putting you on a track and leading you around the content through story telling and more distinct areas

StormCinder · 02-03-2008, 03:23 PM

Solude wrote:

England wrote:
You do know there are mods that allow you to click an icon under every quest and browse to EQi (Wiki) and/or Allakhazam automatically - in game, no need to even leave it or alt screen. Even all items show these icons.EQ2's learning curve is longer than WoW, but remember that is what causes it to be a longer journey, besides because of its immense amount of content.
If I knew I wouldn't have asked And err I still don't after your little chest banging post
Wandering mindlessly around for hours doesn't add 'value' to my journey it frustrates me. SOE knows this, that's why expansion zones do a much better job of putting you on a track and leading you around the content through story telling and more distinct areas

That's why 'new-content' zones blow. If you want to play WoW, stick to the new zones (as evidenced by this thread). If you want to play EQ2, stick the 'old-world' zones. They're better and you're more likely to learn your class.

I've had a string of run-ins lately with TD-equipped toons who have absolutely no idea how to play the game. RoK is sucking the life out of EQ2.

SC

Bladezil · 02-04-2008, 12:07 AM

StormCinder wrote:

Solude wrote:
England wrote:
You do know there are mods that allow you to click an icon under every quest and browse to EQi (Wiki) and/or Allakhazam automatically - in game, no need to even leave it or alt screen. Even all items show these icons.EQ2's learning curve is longer than WoW, but remember that is what causes it to be a longer journey, besides because of its immense amount of content.
If I knew I wouldn't have asked And err I still don't after your little chest banging post
Wandering mindlessly around for hours doesn't add 'value' to my journey it frustrates me. SOE knows this, that's why expansion zones do a much better job of putting you on a track and leading you around the content through story telling and more distinct areas
That's why 'new-content' zones blow. If you want to play WoW, stick to the new zones (as evidenced by this thread). If you want to play EQ2, stick the 'old-world' zones. They're better and you're more likely to learn your class.
I've had a string of run-ins lately with TD-equipped toons who have absolutely no idea how to play the game. RoK is sucking the life out of EQ2.
SC
SC

Actually, the new zones and content are exactly why I renewed my account. No offense but if losing a few thousand gamers like you would bring in several hundred thousand WoW gamers - I think SoE would be happy. Also, I'm not sure how being lost and confused on a quest ends up making you better at your class. Especially when the puzzle ends up being.. click the dot on a rock BEHIND the barn. Ohhhh... I'm sorry. I was looking INSIDE the barn.

azekah · 02-04-2008, 04:59 PM

Solude wrote:

The newer zones are really well done in terms of quests camps and 'theme park' style progression of working your way across a zone. However the original zones are a nightmare with quest givers all over the map(s), being sent left right and centre and referring to places I don't know about. This adds up to me really wondering how bad I need these AA points " />
If this was WoW I'd go to WoWHead and pump in the quest, go 'ahhh' and be on my merry way " /> So does EQ2 have a quest/mob database site or am I stuck bashing my head against the wall until I leave the old world again?

Like others said use the wiki and alla...Another very useful tool is the command /waypointIf quest says go find So and so, you have no idea where to even start, you go to alla type in So and so, up pops info on So and so with a waypoint. Copy that waypoint, go to EQ, type /waypoint and paste the numbers. When you look on the map you will see a Big White X where you need to go.Easy as that.TBH, I usually try and figure quests out on my own at first. Unless the quest info is so completely vague I don't want to think about how long it will take me to figure out, or if I'm just feeling really lazy.I actually haven't bought the Rok expansion yet because all my characters are around 40-60's so I'm not sure what its like. But I have been getting some rather lack luster groups as of late. Maybe it's just a string of bad luck, who knows. But lately I've been more wary of pugs. Theres also the fact that so many groups these days are filled with people that are just trying to get to 80 asap. I'm actually just having fun playing, getting new gear, and leveling up. My only goal is just to have fun. That's really why I started 2 boxing, so I could do more on my own. There are so many crappy or mad rush players out there that can make grouping a real PITA... I can usually get better xp/aa questing on my own, and I don't get bored out of my mind mashing buttons for 4 hours.

Solu · 02-05-2008, 08:39 AM

Thanks for the /waypoint tip, I've been hovering on existing POI to get close... this will be better SMILEY

Also I'm a returning player so yes I want to cruise to at least out of Thunder/Nek/Butcher areas since my two previous toons have already been there. PUGs are a problem pretty much in every MMO. Especially early on when you only run dungeons to clear quest logs.

Effie · 02-05-2008, 10:07 AM

erin wrote:

I have no idea what the things mentioned by the OP are, since I've never played wow, but they sound like "cheat" sites, as in, they give you info you would struggle with in the game. What part exactly made you "angry"???

My guess is that some former WOW players are too accustomed to EZmode MMOG and when they start playing a game where they actually have to think or figure things out on their own, it makes them angry.

Those types of players are easy to spot because they ask questions in level chat about quests... questions they could answer themselves if they had read the quest text or looked at their quest journal.

Solu · 02-05-2008, 10:35 AM

Its people like you that keep good games like EQ2 from really taking off. We leave the 800lb gorilla because we've been through its content and are looking for something fresh and land here. Then the 'community' tears us a new one about how their baby is this and that and that we are terrible players with no intelligence.

Get over yourself, WoW is a great game, 10s of millions of players agree but even great games get old and that gives other games a chance to impress and retain new players. I know SOE is more than happy to absorb the WoW player base that needs something new and will stick around for 2+ years IF they enjoy the experience.

I do read the quest journals and in the new zones they lead you where you need to go fine, no 'cheat' site required. But in Nek for instance I have a quest that reads... Hold on to this arm until you find a use for it. Hmm, I don't see a clue in there about where that use might be. Or the other quest I have to kill saplings, again just a one liner saying err kill saplings which using the 'cheat' sites I find were left out after the Nek revamp. Guess if I was smarter I could spawn them somehow.

As to EZMode, I actually have found EQ2 easier than WoW both in terms of combat and generating money for gear, mounts, skills.

Effie · 02-05-2008, 11:11 AM

Its people like you that keep good games like EQ2 from really taking off.

I think you're exaggertaing my influence. SMILEY

Get over yourself, WoW is a great game, 10s of millions of players agree but even great games get old and that gives other games a chance to impress and retain new players.

Tens of millions? The subsciber base barely maxed out at the 10 million mark in 2008.

That was after a year of steady decline leading up to the release of the Burning Crusade. The vast majority of WOW subs are located in asia. Vivendi counts game-room players in their subscription numbers. Their NA/EU subscription figures are somewhere around 2.5-3 million. That's still pretty darn impressive but a far cry from tens of millions.

I think WOW can attribute it's popularity mostly due to the fact that Warcraft is a very high-profile license and because WOW is a very easy game. Even my wife (who is not a gamer) got into WOW. However, the gentle learning curve and lower difficulty is a double edged sword. I really enjoyed the game when I leveled up my first character... but I got bored of the game after only a few months. Getting a number of characters to level 60 and running the same instances can only hold my attention for so long. Tradeskills are a joke and rep/gold grinding became dreadfully tedious in no time. the replayability is low because the leveling paths are extremely linear.

I do read the quest journals and in the new zones they lead you where you need to go fine, no 'cheat' site required. But in Nek for instance I have a quest that reads... Hold on to this arm until you find a use for it. Hmm, I don't see a clue in there about where that use might be. Or the other quest I have to kill saplings, again just a one liner saying err kill saplings which using the 'cheat' sites I find were left out after the Nek revamp. Guess if I was smarter I could spawn them somehow

Hehe, I'm not talking about the esoteric/cryptic quests in old zones like Nek Forest. That is probably the absolute worst and most tedious zone for questing in the entire game.

As to EZMode, I actually have found EQ2 easier than WoW both in terms of combat and generating money for gear, mounts, skills.

Grinding gold is a large part of the overall gameplay in WOW... it's not in EQ2.

I'm not sure how less tedium can be translated into easier gameplay.

Solu · 02-05-2008, 03:15 PM

Its only tedium if you participate SMILEY I never grinded gold or mats for crafts thats just not fun.

As for 10s of millions... they have 10 million world wide, be generous and assume 50% retention and thats 20 million that have been through WoW... 2 10 millions make 10s of millions SMILEY

Effie · 02-05-2008, 03:39 PM

Solude wrote:

As for 10s of millions... they have 10 million world wide, be generous and assume 50% retention and thats 20 million that have been through WoW... 2 10 millions make 10s of millions " width="15" height="15" />

I'm not sure what type of logic is needed to include people who are no longer playing WOW as people who play WOW....

Gladiia · 02-05-2008, 03:43 PM

Effie wrote:

Solude wrote:
As for 10s of millions... they have 10 million world wide, be generous and assume 50% retention and thats 20 million that have been through WoW... 2 10 millions make 10s of millions " width="15" height="15">
I'm not sure what type of logic is needed to include people who are no longer playing WOW as people who play WOW....

O, man my sides hurt after reading that.

Decad · 02-05-2008, 04:20 PM

Goto www.eq2interface.com

Goto the download section, and get the Profit UI. There is an auto-updating version there that I use.

Then, get the EQ2Map mod, and the POI add-on for it.

Instructions for all 3 UI mods are available right there are fairly simple to use.

One of the beauties of the Profit UI mod, is that the active quest helper UI Window, has a drop-down selector list. You can click either Allakhazam, EQ2Wikia, or Google. When you do so, and in game browser will appear, and hopefully it will take you either the Allakhazam or EQ2Wikia site, or to a google search page with the name of the quest as the search parameter.

Effie · 02-05-2008, 04:49 PM

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:

O, man my sides hurt after reading that.

I had to re-read that a few times myself. SMILEY

trollpants · 02-05-2008, 05:47 PM

I don't see how thottbot or wowhead are considered cheating sites, might as well consider these forums as cheating based on that logic. The most useful information comes from the player comments/picture submissions anyways, both of which alla is very much lacking in comparison.consider it static socializing, not cheating.figuring out everything on your own does not make you hardcore or better than somebody who looks up info on the web. it just makes you somebody who doesn't look stuff up.

erin · 02-06-2008, 08:51 AM

trollpants wrote:

I don't see how thottbot or wowhead are considered cheating sites, might as well consider these forums as cheating based on that logic. The most useful information comes from the player comments/picture submissions anyways, both of which alla is very much lacking in comparison.consider it static socializing, not cheating.figuring out everything on your own does not make you hardcore or better than somebody who looks up info on the web. it just makes you somebody who doesn't look stuff up.

Hence why I put "cheat" in quotes. They are generally referred to as cheat sites. Or at least they used to be, not sure what the current term is.Cheat because they give you all the information for completing quests without having to put in the effort to figure it out.I don't say I consider it cheating, some quests are so vague you need help, whether you ask in chat channels or go look it up on one of the sites.Anything that isn't actively trying to figure it out on your own within the game world falls in this category.People look up every quest they do, then come here and complain that the game is too easy. Like turning on god mode on a console and then saying "I'm bored, this is too easy".

02-02-2008, 08:45 AM	#1
Solu General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 108	The newer zones are really well done in terms of quests camps and 'theme park' style progression of working your way across a zone. However the original zones are a nightmare with quest givers all over the map(s), being sent left right and centre and referring to places I don't know about. This adds up to me really wondering how bad I need these AA points If this was WoW I'd go to WoWHead and pump in the quest, go 'ahhh' and be on my merry way So does EQ2 have a quest/mob database site or am I stuck bashing my head against the wall until I leave the old world again?

02-02-2008, 09:13 AM	#2
Rahatmattata Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,232	Try http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category:EverQuest_II or just google the quest name. __________________ A Cure For Cancer

02-02-2008, 09:57 AM	#3
TheFitz Champion Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 91	Allakhazam also has a EQ2 site. It's a little more user friendly IMO but every now and then a quest will be missing. Wiki does have all the quest but seems "clunky" to me. http://eq2.allakhazam.com/ *edit- added link __________________ Veni. Vidi. Vici.

02-02-2008, 11:58 AM	#4
Dannan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 87	I use both... while alla's quests are better written and understandable... the wiki has the better organization of the two so you know what to do when. __________________

02-02-2008, 02:29 PM	#5
Ketinvik Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	Also, consider getting EQ2Map and the POI finder to assist you. __________________

02-02-2008, 08:58 PM	#6
erin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,834	TheFitz wrote: Allakhazam also has a EQ2 site. It's a little more user friendly IMO but every now and then a quest will be missing. Wiki does have all the quest but seems "clunky" to me. http://eq2.allakhazam.com/ *edit- added link Funny, I find alla hugely clunky and rarely accurate (though I'll admit its been a while since I bothered going there). The wiki is very useable and I rarely find a quest that is missing.Plus they have some nice timelines (solo, heroic etc) that can help you figure out where to level. I love the wiki.I was a die-hard alla fan early on, but the wiki just beats it hands down these days IMHO.

02-03-2008, 12:09 AM	#7
Bladezil General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 131	To answer your question: No. There isn't. There's a couple of crappy sites that will give you a "general" idea of what to do or where to go next but there are no EQ2 sites on the level of wowhead or thotbott. Yeah, I was angry too. __________________

02-03-2008, 12:29 AM	#8
flesyMeM Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 89	The EQ2 UI isn't nearly as flexible as WoW's, and the client won't let you mine anywhere near the amount of data that WoW's will. Unless SOE makes some drastic changes someday there will never be a site like thottbot for EQ2. Between alla and eq2i.com and others you can usually find almost anything you happen to need though. Some exceptions, but there's plenty of good info available. __________________ Can't sleep--gnomes will eat me!

02-03-2008, 12:59 AM	#9
Cathars General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 446	Wikia has been able to answer any quest / mob question I've ever had.

02-03-2008, 01:26 AM	#10
Rahatmattata Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,232	Same. __________________ A Cure For Cancer

02-03-2008, 08:26 AM	#11
Solu General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 108	EQ2i has a bit of a learning curve but so far its the better site since it links to EQ2Map for most NPCs. EQ2Map is nice little UI add-on but I just wish there was a way to make it searchable in game or have the dots show the nameplate without hoovering over it. Hard to find the right dot among the 100+ without having an idea of where it might be.

02-03-2008, 08:59 AM	#12
NiteWolfe Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Clifton, Texas AKA the boonies Posts: 571	Solude wrote: EQ2i has a bit of a learning curve but so far its the better site since it links to EQ2Map for most NPCs. EQ2Map is nice little UI add-on but I just wish there was a way to make it searchable in game or have the dots show the nameplate without hoovering over it. Hard to find the right dot among the 100+ without having an idea of where it might be. If you look on the eq2interface.com site and find POI finder add on for eq2maps its a awsome tool. You click a button on the map and it pops up a list of all POI's in that zone. Sorted very well and when you click a item on the list it automaticly puts the X on the map window for you. I never played wow so iam not sure about there UI or there quest sites. But i can tell you theres several UI that take advantage of the eq2 ingame web browser. I use profits and on my quest helper, my journal and my examine windows theres several auto look up links (the wikia, ala, google eq2links and a item database) All i have to do to find out about a quest or a item is click the link and it pops up the ingame browser and does the search for me. Right there in game with out ever going to my desktop or typing in a search. Theres plenty of tools avalable for info you just need to install them.

02-03-2008, 11:09 AM	#13
Solu General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 108	Thanks for tip on POI Finder, its pretty much exactly what I wanted

02-03-2008, 12:17 PM	#14
England Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 38	You do know there are mods that allow you to click an icon under every quest and browse to EQi (Wiki) and/or Allakhazam automatically - in game, no need to even leave it or alt screen. Even all items show these icons.EQ2's learning curve is longer than WoW, but remember that is what causes it to be a longer journey, besides because of its immense amount of content.

02-03-2008, 12:52 PM	#15
erin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,834	Bladezilla wrote: To answer your question: No. There isn't. There's a couple of crappy sites that will give you a "general" idea of what to do or where to go next but there are no EQ2 sites on the level of wowhead or thotbott. Yeah, I was angry too. I have no idea what the things mentioned by the OP are, since I've never played wow, but they sound like "cheat" sites, as in, they give you info you would struggle with in the game. What part exactly made you "angry"???

02-03-2008, 01:15 PM	#16
Solu General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 108	England wrote: You do know there are mods that allow you to click an icon under every quest and browse to EQi (Wiki) and/or Allakhazam automatically - in game, no need to even leave it or alt screen. Even all items show these icons.EQ2's learning curve is longer than WoW, but remember that is what causes it to be a longer journey, besides because of its immense amount of content. If I knew I wouldn't have asked And err I still don't after your little chest banging post Wandering mindlessly around for hours doesn't add 'value' to my journey it frustrates me. SOE knows this, that's why expansion zones do a much better job of putting you on a track and leading you around the content through story telling and more distinct areas

02-03-2008, 03:23 PM	#17
StormCinder Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,009	Solude wrote: England wrote: You do know there are mods that allow you to click an icon under every quest and browse to EQi (Wiki) and/or Allakhazam automatically - in game, no need to even leave it or alt screen. Even all items show these icons.EQ2's learning curve is longer than WoW, but remember that is what causes it to be a longer journey, besides because of its immense amount of content. If I knew I wouldn't have asked And err I still don't after your little chest banging post Wandering mindlessly around for hours doesn't add 'value' to my journey it frustrates me. SOE knows this, that's why expansion zones do a much better job of putting you on a track and leading you around the content through story telling and more distinct areas That's why 'new-content' zones blow. If you want to play WoW, stick to the new zones (as evidenced by this thread). If you want to play EQ2, stick the 'old-world' zones. They're better and you're more likely to learn your class. I've had a string of run-ins lately with TD-equipped toons who have absolutely no idea how to play the game. RoK is sucking the life out of EQ2. SC SC __________________ ______________________________________________ Hostis Humani Generis curÂ·mudgÂ·eon (kr-mjn) n. An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.

02-04-2008, 12:07 AM	#18
Bladezil General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 131	StormCinder wrote: Solude wrote: England wrote: You do know there are mods that allow you to click an icon under every quest and browse to EQi (Wiki) and/or Allakhazam automatically - in game, no need to even leave it or alt screen. Even all items show these icons.EQ2's learning curve is longer than WoW, but remember that is what causes it to be a longer journey, besides because of its immense amount of content. If I knew I wouldn't have asked And err I still don't after your little chest banging post Wandering mindlessly around for hours doesn't add 'value' to my journey it frustrates me. SOE knows this, that's why expansion zones do a much better job of putting you on a track and leading you around the content through story telling and more distinct areas That's why 'new-content' zones blow. If you want to play WoW, stick to the new zones (as evidenced by this thread). If you want to play EQ2, stick the 'old-world' zones. They're better and you're more likely to learn your class. I've had a string of run-ins lately with TD-equipped toons who have absolutely no idea how to play the game. RoK is sucking the life out of EQ2. SC SC Actually, the new zones and content are exactly why I renewed my account. No offense but if losing a few thousand gamers like you would bring in several hundred thousand WoW gamers - I think SoE would be happy. Also, I'm not sure how being lost and confused on a quest ends up making you better at your class. Especially when the puzzle ends up being.. click the dot on a rock BEHIND the barn. Ohhhh... I'm sorry. I was looking INSIDE the barn. __________________

02-04-2008, 04:59 PM	#19
azekah Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: South Jersey Posts: 818	Solude wrote: The newer zones are really well done in terms of quests camps and 'theme park' style progression of working your way across a zone. However the original zones are a nightmare with quest givers all over the map(s), being sent left right and centre and referring to places I don't know about. This adds up to me really wondering how bad I need these AA points " /> If this was WoW I'd go to WoWHead and pump in the quest, go 'ahhh' and be on my merry way " /> So does EQ2 have a quest/mob database site or am I stuck bashing my head against the wall until I leave the old world again? Like others said use the wiki and alla...Another very useful tool is the command /waypointIf quest says go find So and so, you have no idea where to even start, you go to alla type in So and so, up pops info on So and so with a waypoint. Copy that waypoint, go to EQ, type /waypoint and paste the numbers. When you look on the map you will see a Big White X where you need to go.Easy as that.TBH, I usually try and figure quests out on my own at first. Unless the quest info is so completely vague I don't want to think about how long it will take me to figure out, or if I'm just feeling really lazy.I actually haven't bought the Rok expansion yet because all my characters are around 40-60's so I'm not sure what its like. But I have been getting some rather lack luster groups as of late. Maybe it's just a string of bad luck, who knows. But lately I've been more wary of pugs. Theres also the fact that so many groups these days are filled with people that are just trying to get to 80 asap. I'm actually just having fun playing, getting new gear, and leveling up. My only goal is just to have fun. That's really why I started 2 boxing, so I could do more on my own. There are so many crappy or mad rush players out there that can make grouping a real PITA... I can usually get better xp/aa questing on my own, and I don't get bored out of my mind mashing buttons for 4 hours.

02-05-2008, 08:39 AM	#20
Solu General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 108	Thanks for the /waypoint tip, I've been hovering on existing POI to get close... this will be better Also I'm a returning player so yes I want to cruise to at least out of Thunder/Nek/Butcher areas since my two previous toons have already been there. PUGs are a problem pretty much in every MMO. Especially early on when you only run dungeons to clear quest logs.

02-05-2008, 10:07 AM	#21
Effie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 933	erin wrote: I have no idea what the things mentioned by the OP are, since I've never played wow, but they sound like "cheat" sites, as in, they give you info you would struggle with in the game. What part exactly made you "angry"??? My guess is that some former WOW players are too accustomed to EZmode MMOG and when they start playing a game where they actually have to think or figure things out on their own, it makes them angry. Those types of players are easy to spot because they ask questions in level chat about quests... questions they could answer themselves if they had read the quest text or looked at their quest journal.

02-05-2008, 10:35 AM	#22
Solu General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 108	Its people like you that keep good games like EQ2 from really taking off. We leave the 800lb gorilla because we've been through its content and are looking for something fresh and land here. Then the 'community' tears us a new one about how their baby is this and that and that we are terrible players with no intelligence. Get over yourself, WoW is a great game, 10s of millions of players agree but even great games get old and that gives other games a chance to impress and retain new players. I know SOE is more than happy to absorb the WoW player base that needs something new and will stick around for 2+ years IF they enjoy the experience. I do read the quest journals and in the new zones they lead you where you need to go fine, no 'cheat' site required. But in Nek for instance I have a quest that reads... Hold on to this arm until you find a use for it. Hmm, I don't see a clue in there about where that use might be. Or the other quest I have to kill saplings, again just a one liner saying err kill saplings which using the 'cheat' sites I find were left out after the Nek revamp. Guess if I was smarter I could spawn them somehow. As to EZMode, I actually have found EQ2 easier than WoW both in terms of combat and generating money for gear, mounts, skills.

02-05-2008, 11:11 AM	#23
Effie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 933	Its people like you that keep good games like EQ2 from really taking off. I think you're exaggertaing my influence. Get over yourself, WoW is a great game, 10s of millions of players agree but even great games get old and that gives other games a chance to impress and retain new players. Tens of millions? The subsciber base barely maxed out at the 10 million mark in 2008. That was after a year of steady decline leading up to the release of the Burning Crusade. The vast majority of WOW subs are located in asia. Vivendi counts game-room players in their subscription numbers. Their NA/EU subscription figures are somewhere around 2.5-3 million. That's still pretty darn impressive but a far cry from tens of millions. I think WOW can attribute it's popularity mostly due to the fact that Warcraft is a very high-profile license and because WOW is a very easy game. Even my wife (who is not a gamer) got into WOW. However, the gentle learning curve and lower difficulty is a double edged sword. I really enjoyed the game when I leveled up my first character... but I got bored of the game after only a few months. Getting a number of characters to level 60 and running the same instances can only hold my attention for so long. Tradeskills are a joke and rep/gold grinding became dreadfully tedious in no time. the replayability is low because the leveling paths are extremely linear. I do read the quest journals and in the new zones they lead you where you need to go fine, no 'cheat' site required. But in Nek for instance I have a quest that reads... Hold on to this arm until you find a use for it. Hmm, I don't see a clue in there about where that use might be. Or the other quest I have to kill saplings, again just a one liner saying err kill saplings which using the 'cheat' sites I find were left out after the Nek revamp. Guess if I was smarter I could spawn them somehow Hehe, I'm not talking about the esoteric/cryptic quests in old zones like Nek Forest. That is probably the absolute worst and most tedious zone for questing in the entire game. As to EZMode, I actually have found EQ2 easier than WoW both in terms of combat and generating money for gear, mounts, skills. Grinding gold is a large part of the overall gameplay in WOW... it's not in EQ2. I'm not sure how less tedium can be translated into easier gameplay.

02-05-2008, 03:15 PM	#24
Solu General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 108	Its only tedium if you participate I never grinded gold or mats for crafts thats just not fun. As for 10s of millions... they have 10 million world wide, be generous and assume 50% retention and thats 20 million that have been through WoW... 2 10 millions make 10s of millions

02-05-2008, 03:39 PM	#25
Effie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 933	Solude wrote: As for 10s of millions... they have 10 million world wide, be generous and assume 50% retention and thats 20 million that have been through WoW... 2 10 millions make 10s of millions " width="15" height="15" /> I'm not sure what type of logic is needed to include people who are no longer playing WOW as people who play WOW....

02-05-2008, 03:43 PM	#26
Gladiia Server: The Bazaar Guild: Driven Rank: Regent Seer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,234	Effie wrote: Solude wrote: As for 10s of millions... they have 10 million world wide, be generous and assume 50% retention and thats 20 million that have been through WoW... 2 10 millions make 10s of millions " width="15" height="15"> I'm not sure what type of logic is needed to include people who are no longer playing WOW as people who play WOW.... O, man my sides hurt after reading that.

02-05-2008, 04:20 PM	#27
Decad General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 136	Goto www.eq2interface.com Goto the download section, and get the Profit UI. There is an auto-updating version there that I use. Then, get the EQ2Map mod, and the POI add-on for it. Instructions for all 3 UI mods are available right there are fairly simple to use. One of the beauties of the Profit UI mod, is that the active quest helper UI Window, has a drop-down selector list. You can click either Allakhazam, EQ2Wikia, or Google. When you do so, and in game browser will appear, and hopefully it will take you either the Allakhazam or EQ2Wikia site, or to a google search page with the name of the quest as the search parameter. __________________

02-05-2008, 04:49 PM	#28
Effie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 933	Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote: O, man my sides hurt after reading that. I had to re-read that a few times myself.

02-05-2008, 05:47 PM	#29
trollpants Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2	I don't see how thottbot or wowhead are considered cheating sites, might as well consider these forums as cheating based on that logic. The most useful information comes from the player comments/picture submissions anyways, both of which alla is very much lacking in comparison.consider it static socializing, not cheating.figuring out everything on your own does not make you hardcore or better than somebody who looks up info on the web. it just makes you somebody who doesn't look stuff up.

02-06-2008, 08:51 AM	#30
erin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,834	trollpants wrote: I don't see how thottbot or wowhead are considered cheating sites, might as well consider these forums as cheating based on that logic. The most useful information comes from the player comments/picture submissions anyways, both of which alla is very much lacking in comparison.consider it static socializing, not cheating.figuring out everything on your own does not make you hardcore or better than somebody who looks up info on the web. it just makes you somebody who doesn't look stuff up. Hence why I put "cheat" in quotes. They are generally referred to as cheat sites. Or at least they used to be, not sure what the current term is.Cheat because they give you all the information for completing quests without having to put in the effort to figure it out.I don't say I consider it cheating, some quests are so vague you need help, whether you ask in chat channels or go look it up on one of the sites.Anything that isn't actively trying to figure it out on your own within the game world falls in this category.People look up every quest they do, then come here and complain that the game is too easy. Like turning on god mode on a console and then saying "I'm bored, this is too easy".