Need Help Creating a Character

Metafour · 11-21-2007, 07:25 PM

I have a character concept that I'd like to turn into a real character, but I need some help from the EQ2 veterans to help me figure out what I want to make.

Concept 1: A roleplay character that will be mainly intended for grouping, instancing, and possibly raiding (if I ever get that high). That means I need a class that is desirable by groups, guilds, and raiders.

Concept 2: I want to make my new character a Fae female. The idea I have is a character of small stature, but that of uncanny strength.

Concept 3: I want to be a support class, but not a healer. I played a healer (Cleric) in EQ1 for many years, and I have raided in WoW as both a healing Paladin as well as a healing Druid. I need a break from healing. That being said, I want to be support.

I realize that EQ2 is not the same as EQ1. Combat is much more fast paced and there is a lot more overlap between classes in EQ2. However, this is approximately what I want to be like: EQ1 Bard, or EQ1 Shaman, or EQ1 Enchanter. Those 3 classes all provided support while not being healers. I want to be a class in EQ2 that can really impact any group they join in a positive manner. I want a class that is desirable at all levels and all stages of the game.

Basically, I'm wanting to be either a buffer, debuffer, crowd controller, or other form of support that isn't tied to healing. And I'm going to be a Fae if possible, so it needs to be a "good" class. I'd consider going "evil" but I'd prefer not to because that doesn't really flow with my roleplay character concept.

Anyone have any recommendations?

Khanon · 11-21-2007, 07:44 PM

Hmmm...I'd say a Mystic or a Warden, from the picture you paint there, and you'll also be a great soloer in those times you just want to get away.

Kaeira · 11-21-2007, 07:47 PM

hmm From the sounds of it you would probably be happiest with a bardish type charachter. both the troub and dirge melee and offer alot of utility and support . They buff/debuff And are highly desirable in small groups and raids.

Metafour · 11-21-2007, 08:08 PM

Khanon wrote:

Hmmm...I'd say a Mystic or a Warden, from the picture you paint there, and you'll also be a great soloer in those times you just want to get away.

Pardon my extreme noobiness, but can you go into a bit more detail about the class role for both of these? My highest character is only 24. I'm *very* new to this game and don't have much experience at all with class functions in groups and raids.

Swordmage · 11-21-2007, 08:10 PM

My first reaction is bard as well. Most of the problems with troubadors (better in caster heavy groups) or dirges (better in melee heavy groups) have to do with the weakness of their solo game. You will find that the EQ2 bard is significantly different from the bard you knew and loved(?) in EQ; however, they still do shine in the support role.

In EQ2 any of the priest classes (including shaman and druids) are reasonably good healers and expected to act in that role (although being second healer gives you lots of other options for support and DPS). Both Mystics and Wardens provide some support functions.

Mystics are healers that have powerful debuffs.
Wardens are healers that have powerful elemental spell attacks.

Metafour · 11-21-2007, 08:30 PM

What about either Illusionists or Coercers? Do these classes play a decent job at support?

Remember, I DO NOT want to heal. If druids and shamans (Furies, Wardens, Defilers, Mystics) are expected to heal in group and raid situations, those are not the classes for me. I've been a healer almost as long as I've been playing MMOs. I played EQ for about 5 years before moving on to WoW, and in both of those games I've been a healer. I want to do something different.

However, I also really enjoy support. I remember from my EQ1 days that Shamans had extremely useful player buffs, as well as a few debuffs. They also had some DoTs and nukes for when they weren't buffing and debuffing. I never saw EQ1 shamans as really being healers. Sure, they had heal spells but at least in my guild they were very rarely called upon to use them.

Enchanters in EQ1 also fascinated me. I was always amazed by their buffs and debuffs, and their ability to mesmerize.

Obviously, things are different in EQ2, but the core elements of those classes is what I'm really looking for. I want to bring something useful and desireable to a party without being a healer. And dps is such a popular choice that I know I'd have a lot of competition for getting into groups. I'm a fairly casual player, and I don't have time to spend a lot of my playtime looking for group. I'd like to be able to get right on, find a group, and maximize my actual playtime. Without being a healer.

Khanon · 11-21-2007, 08:35 PM

What he said. ^^^Mystics are great debuffers/buffers, as well as can provide nice dps in between backup healing. This affords them desire in all aspects of play, usually.On the evil side, I love my Defiler... SMILEY

Not so much, my Fury, though... *shrugs* just a "feel" for how they play.By the way, I'm fairly new, too... But after I got my monk to 33 and saw her slip from a great and fast soloer with great dps to more of a tankish character with only so-so dps, I started reading...studying each of the classes by perusing the class forums and just "listened" to how others were speaking of the classes.From that observation, I made this Swashbuckler and have been giddily happy ever since (she's actually 17 now...I made 6 levels last night without even noticing, I was just tearing up mobs and quests like they were yesterday's leftovers).

Metafour · 11-21-2007, 10:54 PM

Anyone else have any opinions or advice? I'm really torn on what I want to make. Warden sounds interesting, but I really, really really really, really don't want to be a healer. I've been a healer FOREVER and I want to be something different. I'm afraid that if I go with any sort of priest class at all that I'll get sidelined into a healer position. And I really dont' want that.

Bard sounds interesting, but I've heard that they are hard to solo with, and I plan on doing a fair amount of soloing, so I'm kinda scared by the reputation these classes have.

Graywindnz · 11-21-2007, 11:07 PM

If you looking for a support char that’s on the “good” side I would suggest an Illusionist they are a steady soloer and are the “Mez” class, their evil counterpart would be the coercer who love to keep the pray stunned the whole time.Both classes are support and generally “feed” power and control enemies. The Illusionist has a summoned “pet” and the coercer Finds a mob and dominates it. “Charm” Bothe do decent DPS but the Illusionist is better at it.If you like to roleplay, well that can be any class and 2 classes that a raid will always want will be a Troub and a Dirge. If you want to make a small but powerful fae try a conjurer.

Cabbott · 11-22-2007, 02:27 AM

As far as soloing with a Bard, the Dirge isn't half bad to solo with. The bards have a million buffs and most of the time you'll be welcome in the group.As for Illy, my RL friend plays one and he loves it. The casters will love you for the mana buff and if you get illusionary arm? you'll be a DPS classes best friend. Soloing isn't hard either, with your personae (pet) you can solo very well, your root as an Illy is sickening SMILEY

. Anyway, thats about all I have for ya SMILEY

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Rokaab · 11-22-2007, 05:29 AM

Metafour wrote:

Anyone else have any opinions or advice? I'm really torn on what I want to make. Warden sounds interesting, but I really, really really really, really don't want to be a healer. I've been a healer FOREVER and I want to be something different. I'm afraid that if I go with any sort of priest class at all that I'll get sidelined into a healer position. And I really dont' want that.
Bard sounds interesting, but I've heard that they are hard to solo with, and I plan on doing a fair amount of soloing, so I'm kinda scared by the reputation these classes have.

Since youve said you dont want to be a healer, I'd say avoid the wardens and mystics, although they can do other stuff as well, you will be expected to heal in a group, unless youre the 2nd healer, where you may have more flexibility.

For support I'd say one of the bards, or one of the enchanters - both are loved by raids.

Cant say much about enchanters, tried one once, but decided mages werent for me SMILEY . Bards, we can solo perfectly well, youve just got to learn what mobs you can beat, dont go attacking the heroic mobs by yourself (many classes can, but bards arent one of those), and learn how to play the class and know when to run away SMILEY . Bards can bring an awful lot of utility to groups/raids, and groups/raids tend to love us - especially since there really arent that many bards, and we have debuffs, buffs, some dps, and other bits and pieces, we get an evac spell at level 25 (like all scouts) which will prove invaluable, we get stealth, we get tracking. Bards are a neutral class so you can be either bard and be a good race.

11-21-2007, 07:47 PM	#3
Kaeira Apprentice Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Northeastern Ohio Posts: 5	hmm From the sounds of it you would probably be happiest with a bardish type charachter. both the troub and dirge melee and offer alot of utility and support . They buff/debuff And are highly desirable in small groups and raids. __________________

11-21-2007, 08:08 PM	#4
Metafour Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 28	Khanon wrote: Hmmm...I'd say a Mystic or a Warden, from the picture you paint there, and you'll also be a great soloer in those times you just want to get away. Pardon my extreme noobiness, but can you go into a bit more detail about the class role for both of these? My highest character is only 24. I'm very new to this game and don't have much experience at all with class functions in groups and raids.

11-21-2007, 08:10 PM	#5
Swordmage Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 343	My first reaction is bard as well. Most of the problems with troubadors (better in caster heavy groups) or dirges (better in melee heavy groups) have to do with the weakness of their solo game. You will find that the EQ2 bard is significantly different from the bard you knew and loved(?) in EQ; however, they still do shine in the support role. In EQ2 any of the priest classes (including shaman and druids) are reasonably good healers and expected to act in that role (although being second healer gives you lots of other options for support and DPS). Both Mystics and Wardens provide some support functions. Mystics are healers that have powerful debuffs. Wardens are healers that have powerful elemental spell attacks. __________________ The Armstrong Clan of Unrest Old Timers Guild

11-21-2007, 08:35 PM	#7
Khanon Defender Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 136	What he said. ^^^Mystics are great debuffers/buffers, as well as can provide nice dps in between backup healing. This affords them desire in all aspects of play, usually.On the evil side, I love my Defiler... Not so much, my Fury, though... shrugs just a "feel" for how they play.By the way, I'm fairly new, too... But after I got my monk to 33 and saw her slip from a great and fast soloer with great dps to more of a tankish character with only so-so dps, I started reading...studying each of the classes by perusing the class forums and just "listened" to how others were speaking of the classes.From that observation, I made this Swashbuckler and have been giddily happy ever since (she's actually 17 now...I made 6 levels last night without even noticing, I was just tearing up mobs and quests like they were yesterday's leftovers).

11-21-2007, 11:07 PM	#9
Graywindnz Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 297	If you looking for a support char that’s on the “good” side I would suggest an Illusionist they are a steady soloer and are the “Mez” class, their evil counterpart would be the coercer who love to keep the pray stunned the whole time.Both classes are support and generally “feed” power and control enemies. The Illusionist has a summoned “pet” and the coercer Finds a mob and dominates it. “Charm” Bothe do decent DPS but the Illusionist is better at it.If you like to roleplay, well that can be any class and 2 classes that a raid will always want will be a Troub and a Dirge. If you want to make a small but powerful fae try a conjurer. __________________

11-21-2007, 07:25 PM	#1
Metafour Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 28	I have a character concept that I'd like to turn into a real character, but I need some help from the EQ2 veterans to help me figure out what I want to make. Concept 1: A roleplay character that will be mainly intended for grouping, instancing, and possibly raiding (if I ever get that high). That means I need a class that is desirable by groups, guilds, and raiders. Concept 2: I want to make my new character a Fae female. The idea I have is a character of small stature, but that of uncanny strength. Concept 3: I want to be a support class, but not a healer. I played a healer (Cleric) in EQ1 for many years, and I have raided in WoW as both a healing Paladin as well as a healing Druid. I need a break from healing. That being said, I want to be support. I realize that EQ2 is not the same as EQ1. Combat is much more fast paced and there is a lot more overlap between classes in EQ2. However, this is approximately what I want to be like: EQ1 Bard, or EQ1 Shaman, or EQ1 Enchanter. Those 3 classes all provided support while not being healers. I want to be a class in EQ2 that can really impact any group they join in a positive manner. I want a class that is desirable at all levels and all stages of the game. Basically, I'm wanting to be either a buffer, debuffer, crowd controller, or other form of support that isn't tied to healing. And I'm going to be a Fae if possible, so it needs to be a "good" class. I'd consider going "evil" but I'd prefer not to because that doesn't really flow with my roleplay character concept. Anyone have any recommendations?

11-21-2007, 07:44 PM	#2
Khanon Defender Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 136	Hmmm...I'd say a Mystic or a Warden, from the picture you paint there, and you'll also be a great soloer in those times you just want to get away.

11-21-2007, 08:30 PM	#6
Metafour Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 28	What about either Illusionists or Coercers? Do these classes play a decent job at support? Remember, I DO NOT want to heal. If druids and shamans (Furies, Wardens, Defilers, Mystics) are expected to heal in group and raid situations, those are not the classes for me. I've been a healer almost as long as I've been playing MMOs. I played EQ for about 5 years before moving on to WoW, and in both of those games I've been a healer. I want to do something different. However, I also really enjoy support. I remember from my EQ1 days that Shamans had extremely useful player buffs, as well as a few debuffs. They also had some DoTs and nukes for when they weren't buffing and debuffing. I never saw EQ1 shamans as really being healers. Sure, they had heal spells but at least in my guild they were very rarely called upon to use them. Enchanters in EQ1 also fascinated me. I was always amazed by their buffs and debuffs, and their ability to mesmerize. Obviously, things are different in EQ2, but the core elements of those classes is what I'm really looking for. I want to bring something useful and *desireable* to a party without being a healer. And dps is such a popular choice that I know I'd have a lot of competition for getting into groups. I'm a fairly casual player, and I don't have time to spend a lot of my playtime looking for group. I'd like to be able to get right on, find a group, and maximize my actual playtime. Without being a healer.

11-21-2007, 10:54 PM	#8
Metafour Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 28	Anyone else have any opinions or advice? I'm really torn on what I want to make. Warden sounds interesting, but I really, really really really, really don't want to be a healer. I've been a healer FOREVER and I want to be something different. I'm afraid that if I go with any sort of priest class at all that I'll get sidelined into a healer position. And I really dont' want that. Bard sounds interesting, but I've heard that they are hard to solo with, and I plan on doing a fair amount of soloing, so I'm kinda scared by the reputation these classes have.

11-22-2007, 02:27 AM	#10
Cabbott Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 18	As far as soloing with a Bard, the Dirge isn't half bad to solo with. The bards have a million buffs and most of the time you'll be welcome in the group.As for Illy, my RL friend plays one and he loves it. The casters will love you for the mana buff and if you get illusionary arm? you'll be a DPS classes best friend. Soloing isn't hard either, with your personae (pet) you can solo very well, your root as an Illy is sickening . Anyway, thats about all I have for ya .

11-22-2007, 05:29 AM	#11
Rokaab Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 1,038	Metafour wrote: Anyone else have any opinions or advice? I'm really torn on what I want to make. Warden sounds interesting, but I really, really really really, really don't want to be a healer. I've been a healer FOREVER and I want to be something different. I'm afraid that if I go with any sort of priest class at all that I'll get sidelined into a healer position. And I really dont' want that. Bard sounds interesting, but I've heard that they are hard to solo with, and I plan on doing a fair amount of soloing, so I'm kinda scared by the reputation these classes have. Since youve said you dont want to be a healer, I'd say avoid the wardens and mystics, although they can do other stuff as well, you will be expected to heal in a group, unless youre the 2nd healer, where you may have more flexibility. For support I'd say one of the bards, or one of the enchanters - both are loved by raids. Cant say much about enchanters, tried one once, but decided mages werent for me . Bards, we can solo perfectly well, youve just got to learn what mobs you can beat, dont go attacking the heroic mobs by yourself (many classes can, but bards arent one of those), and learn how to play the class and know when to run away . Bards can bring an awful lot of utility to groups/raids, and groups/raids tend to love us - especially since there really arent that many bards, and we have debuffs, buffs, some dps, and other bits and pieces, we get an evac spell at level 25 (like all scouts) which will prove invaluable, we get stealth, we get tracking. Bards are a neutral class so you can be either bard and be a good race.