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littleman17 · 10-25-2007, 02:54 PM

I have been looking at imbued weapons lately in regards to my necro, and realized just how pointless they are for mage classes. And yes, I do mean the wands as well. To use them, you have to interupt your normal casting order with a slow casting skill on a longer than needed recast. Does anyone actually use these skills? I haven't even thought about using an imbued wand in ages, so my info may be off.

What does that leave us with? Weapons such as the mage dagger and mage staff with MELEE procs! I suggest a new alternative called Infusing.

What this does is take the melee proc off say a Pristine Imbued Cobalt Ritual Dagger (turning it into a pristine INFUSED) and having it state: On a hostile spell, this spell has a chance to cast "what ever the name is" on target.

And BAM, these procs now have use for mages!

Condar Tarsonia · 10-25-2007, 04:33 PM

Actually, that's not a half bad idea. I would expect the proc damage would need to be tuned down a bit though.And imbued weapons are still semi-useful - I mean in most of the early-mid tiers when you're still using imbued weapons, I've never found AOEs to be much of a problem... so if you're not in there swinging at the mob, even as a mage, you're losing out on some DPS.Still, I think this is a much better alternative and I'd definitely get more procs out of it.

VladisSar · 10-25-2007, 04:43 PM

with tons and TONS of proc adorments now available - the imbuing needs to be significantly be UPPED to be worth anything.

Look:

A Glowing Material to make an T2 imbuing cost 50silver-1gold

A T2 proc adorment with simular effect - 50 copper-1 silver

Only crafted weapon can be imbued, while ANYTHING can be adorned.

COnsider how [Removed for Content] crafted weapons are compared to what is droping of trash mobs or can be bought of vendor for few silver-gold (based on tier) - Imbued weapons practicly useless

The only thing worth imbuing are heal effect of chest armors.

So yes- a wand with proc on hostile spell would be a nice option.

ALternativly for prist classes - mace/hammer imbuing which procs a Group Heal when you cast a heal

Rijacki · 10-25-2007, 05:31 PM

The times I have used a wand for its imbued effect were when I was so completely tapped out of power that I needed to wait a moment or three to get even enough to sneeze. The imbued effect uses zero power (though I do think it's cast time is a bit too long even then).

littleman17 · 10-25-2007, 05:52 PM

There would still be many types (even maybe MORE) of infusions. Like for a cobalt hammer, you could infuse it with the ability to do one of the seven damage types on a hostile spell, or have it infused to do one of the four healing types.

Pristine Health Infused Cobalt Hammer- On a beneficial spell, this spell has a chance to heal user's group for x amount.

Ward Infused- a chance to ward target for x amount

Growth- a chance to cast a hot on target

Holy- a chance to cast a reactive

Even the damage infusions could have two per resist, a dot and a dd... it would allow for so much more customation on weapons that many people have to use for various reasons. Did I mention that this would give MORE (MORE MORE MORE) recipes for the TS classes that desperately need them? (weaponsmiths and WW)

Note: Maybe I should try to think of a way to get armorers more recipes in a similar way to this one...

Illmarr · 10-25-2007, 06:30 PM

VladisSar wrote:

with tons and TONS of proc adorments now available - the imbuing needs to be significantly be UPPED to be worth anything.
Look:
A Glowing Material to make an T2 imbuing cost 50silver-1gold
A T2 proc adorment with simular effect - 50 copper-1 silver
Only crafted weapon can be imbued, while ANYTHING can be adorned.
COnsider how [Removed for Content] crafted weapons are compared to what is droping of trash mobs or can be bought of vendor for few silver-gold (based on tier) - Imbued weapons practicly useless
The only thing worth imbuing are heal effect of chest armors.
So yes- a wand with proc on hostile spell would be a nice option.
ALternativly for prist classes - mace/hammer imbuing which procs a Group Heal when you cast a heal

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with the price comparison, but it's apples and oranges. The only thing it shows is market factors, not the relative worth of Adornments and imbuing materials. You have to take into account that every Tom, Dick and Harry that is leveling their transmuting skill is cranking out those weapon adornments, so they are selling for fuel cost because there is such a glut of them on the market.

Remember a weapon can also be imbued and adorned. Your third line in your example gives the impression it's an either/or choice.

The imbue proc on weapons is better than any damage proc available in it's respective tier aside from some Fabled items perhaps. I've yet to see items while looking through the Broker with higher damage procs that were not Fabled with very few exceptions like the Dark Liger. I'll grant you that the damage ratings for Mastercrafted weapons are only in the ballpark with the DR of the lowest Legendary though, and the stats can be rather questionable to say the least in T7. In lower tiers, Mastercrafted becomes a better choice compared to what is available from a cost/effort standpoint I think.

I will agree that the imbue damage proc is worth much less to certain classes than others, and anything to give me more recipes is welcome, so bring on infusions

Terron · 10-26-2007, 08:10 AM

I found wands useful at low levels for some toons, before they had their full range of abilities, but haven't really used one other than stats with any toon above the mid-thirties.

Wyrmypops · 10-26-2007, 07:14 PM

Ooh, nice idea. Effectively casting procs rather than melee procs eh.

Would be a nice thing to introduce to provide diversity in the crafted weapons too.

littleman17 · 10-28-2007, 03:10 PM

No more support for my idea? I was hoping to get a few more people so that Domino could at least look at this and be inspired to make something similar (I would be happy with a full rip off :p ). We need to make crafted stuff viable and give people more recipes!

Calthine · 10-28-2007, 03:52 PM

littleman17 wrote:

No more support for my idea? I was hoping to get a few more people so that Domino could at least look at this and be inspired to make something similar (I would be happy with a full rip off :p ). We need to make crafted stuff viable and give people more recipes!

I'd make a note of it up in the " TS wish list for the next dev?" thread (Maybe link to this one). She's up to her ears in Kunark and the San Diego fires atm, but when Kunark is out all the devs will have a little more time for new ideas.

10-25-2007, 02:54 PM	#1
littleman17 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 675	I have been looking at imbued weapons lately in regards to my necro, and realized just how pointless they are for mage classes. And yes, I do mean the wands as well. To use them, you have to interupt your normal casting order with a slow casting skill on a longer than needed recast. Does anyone actually use these skills? I haven't even thought about using an imbued wand in ages, so my info may be off. What does that leave us with? Weapons such as the mage dagger and mage staff with MELEE procs! I suggest a new alternative called Infusing. What this does is take the melee proc off say a Pristine Imbued Cobalt Ritual Dagger (turning it into a pristine INFUSED) and having it state: On a hostile spell, this spell has a chance to cast "what ever the name is" on target. And BAM, these procs now have use for mages! __________________ Faynar: Level 71 Ranger Daynar: Level 57 Bruiser Tulnar: Level 61 Necromancer Kulnar: Level 50 Templar Bronar: Level 43 Paladin Vronar: Level 40 Defiler Everfrost FTW!

10-25-2007, 04:33 PM	#2
Condar Tarsonia Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 153	Actually, that's not a half bad idea. I would expect the proc damage would need to be tuned down a bit though.And imbued weapons are still semi-useful - I mean in most of the early-mid tiers when you're still using imbued weapons, I've never found AOEs to be much of a problem... so if you're not in there swinging at the mob, even as a mage, you're losing out on some DPS.Still, I think this is a much better alternative and I'd definitely get more procs out of it. __________________ - Kataran Planewalker Elder, The Guardians of the Realm

10-25-2007, 04:43 PM	#3
VladisSar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 111	with tons and TONS of proc adorments now available - the imbuing needs to be significantly be UPPED to be worth anything. Look: A Glowing Material to make an T2 imbuing cost 50silver-1gold A T2 proc adorment with simular effect - 50 copper-1 silver Only crafted weapon can be imbued, while ANYTHING can be adorned. COnsider how [Removed for Content] crafted weapons are compared to what is droping of trash mobs or can be bought of vendor for few silver-gold (based on tier) - Imbued weapons practicly useless The only thing worth imbuing are heal effect of chest armors. So yes- a wand with proc on hostile spell would be a nice option. ALternativly for prist classes - mace/hammer imbuing which procs a Group Heal when you cast a heal __________________ List of Current EQ2 problems: 1) Save TS: bring back the sub-combines! 2) WE NEED MORE CHAR. SLOTS!!! Join the char rerol option movement!

10-25-2007, 05:31 PM	#4
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	The times I have used a wand for its imbued effect were when I was so completely tapped out of power that I needed to wait a moment or three to get even enough to sneeze. The imbued effect uses zero power (though I do think it's cast time is a bit too long even then). __________________

10-25-2007, 05:52 PM	#5
littleman17 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 675	There would still be many types (even maybe MORE) of infusions. Like for a cobalt hammer, you could infuse it with the ability to do one of the seven damage types on a hostile spell, or have it infused to do one of the four healing types. Pristine Health Infused Cobalt Hammer- On a beneficial spell, this spell has a chance to heal user's group for x amount. Ward Infused- a chance to ward target for x amount Growth- a chance to cast a hot on target Holy- a chance to cast a reactive Even the damage infusions could have two per resist, a dot and a dd... it would allow for so much more customation on weapons that many people have to use for various reasons. Did I mention that this would give MORE (MORE MORE MORE) recipes for the TS classes that desperately need them? (weaponsmiths and WW) Note: Maybe I should try to think of a way to get armorers more recipes in a similar way to this one... __________________ Faynar: Level 71 Ranger Daynar: Level 57 Bruiser Tulnar: Level 61 Necromancer Kulnar: Level 50 Templar Bronar: Level 43 Paladin Vronar: Level 40 Defiler Everfrost FTW!

10-25-2007, 06:30 PM	#6
Illmarr Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,448	VladisSar wrote: with tons and TONS of proc adorments now available - the imbuing needs to be significantly be UPPED to be worth anything. Look: A Glowing Material to make an T2 imbuing cost 50silver-1gold A T2 proc adorment with simular effect - 50 copper-1 silver Only crafted weapon can be imbued, while ANYTHING can be adorned. COnsider how [Removed for Content] crafted weapons are compared to what is droping of trash mobs or can be bought of vendor for few silver-gold (based on tier) - Imbued weapons practicly useless The only thing worth imbuing are heal effect of chest armors. So yes- a wand with proc on hostile spell would be a nice option. ALternativly for prist classes - mace/hammer imbuing which procs a Group Heal when you cast a heal I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with the price comparison, but it's apples and oranges. The only thing it shows is market factors, not the relative worth of Adornments and imbuing materials. You have to take into account that every Tom, Dick and Harry that is leveling their transmuting skill is cranking out those weapon adornments, so they are selling for fuel cost because there is such a glut of them on the market. Remember a weapon can also be imbued and adorned. Your third line in your example gives the impression it's an either/or choice. The imbue proc on weapons is better than any damage proc available in it's respective tier aside from some Fabled items perhaps. I've yet to see items while looking through the Broker with higher damage procs that were not Fabled with very few exceptions like the Dark Liger. I'll grant you that the damage ratings for Mastercrafted weapons are only in the ballpark with the DR of the lowest Legendary though, and the stats can be rather questionable to say the least in T7. In lower tiers, Mastercrafted becomes a better choice compared to what is available from a cost/effort standpoint I think. I will agree that the imbue damage proc is worth much less to certain classes than others, and anything to give me more recipes is welcome, so bring on infusions

10-26-2007, 08:10 AM	#7
Terron Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Reading, England Posts: 2,309	I found wands useful at low levels for some toons, before they had their full range of abilities, but haven't really used one other than stats with any toon above the mid-thirties. __________________

10-26-2007, 07:14 PM	#8
Wyrmypops Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 799	Ooh, nice idea. Effectively casting procs rather than melee procs eh. Would be a nice thing to introduce to provide diversity in the crafted weapons too. __________________

10-28-2007, 03:10 PM	#9
littleman17 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 675	No more support for my idea? I was hoping to get a few more people so that Domino could at least look at this and be inspired to make something similar (I would be happy with a full rip off :p ). We need to make crafted stuff viable and give people more recipes! __________________ Faynar: Level 71 Ranger Daynar: Level 57 Bruiser Tulnar: Level 61 Necromancer Kulnar: Level 50 Templar Bronar: Level 43 Paladin Vronar: Level 40 Defiler Everfrost FTW!

10-28-2007, 03:52 PM	#10
Calthine ZAM EQII Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,439	littleman17 wrote: No more support for my idea? I was hoping to get a few more people so that Domino could at least look at this and be inspired to make something similar (I would be happy with a full rip off :p ). We need to make crafted stuff viable and give people more recipes! I'd make a note of it up in the " TS wish list for the next dev?" thread (Maybe link to this one). She's up to her ears in Kunark and the San Diego fires atm, but when Kunark is out all the devs will have a little more time for new ideas. __________________ Please visit my non-gaming Blog! or follow me on Twitter!