Sarnak??? any one els thinking this? and there good guys?

[JasonArgile]

ok im all for the new races bit... but sarnak? who ever thought to them self.. gee i would really like to play an evil lizard race... but the iksar just arnt ugly enough for me... I know.. ill be a sarnak...  hmm can he be a good guy cause i can totaly see me as the kind of evil lizard that like's to fight side by side with a halfling.

ok... so how about something Interesting...next time... the fey were atleast interesting... way too... Fey for my taste but still ... semi New to the mmo scene...

a few suggestions of my own.... Centar's ..... that would Rock...  just picture a Centar Monk.... centar Necro?

How about a compleatly original race like an Elemental race... Born of the elements them selves... something like the conjy pets.. only a little smarter looking...

 how about an Underwater race like merfolk or sirans give them an entirely underwater expantion... and make them need a spell or Buff to breath Air... one easy to get but needing to be renewed from time to time... Finaly underwater breathing... the fish bone earing  and underwater vision are Usefull for the other race's

what about Clockworks?? hu??? king clack and the other clock works seem very willing to expand them selves in the world and have already established there Independance from the gnomes....

how about vampires or Undead as a race...yes i know WoW did it ..doesn't mean it wouldnt be Fun....

or what about beeing able to Change your Current toon... like ... Joining the ranks of the vampires... via a long and convoluted quest... or joining the werewolves.....or becomeing a Zombie or Litch... you would have to take your existing toon and do Long drawn out quests lines... and then... POW... your a new You... new City...split among the factions.... keep your lv and your class even your Name... and dont let any one Start a toon there ... they have to Join the ranks from another starting race <------- its stuff like this gives a game longevity beyond the temporary Bump of lv Cap changes and AA specing.

am i Insane... does any of this appeal to any one besides me?

[Mirander_1]

Regarding two of your ideas:Undersea race:  Actually, EQ's setting has the perfect race for this, the Kedge.  Only problem is, there's at most one surviving Kedge in EQ2's lore; but there are a couple things that could be done to introduce new ones into the worldCentaurs:  With any type of quadrupedal race, there's complications.  Leg armor, how to handle mounts and griffon rides, etc.  Most of these can be worked around with a little time, but there's one that there seems to be no acceptable solution to: climbable surfaces.  You're not going to be able to make a half-horse use those surfaces and make it look right.  However, a centaur-like race that isn't a horse just might be doable, I think.  With that in mind, I'd put for the suggestion of something like D&D's Wemic.  It has the same shape as a centaur, but climbing is at least feasible for them.And, to add my own suggestion: Aviaks.  Just restrict them to slowfall like the Fae.

[Zard]

I just want to play a goblin.

AFAIK, there is no illusionary goblin form (Petrified Eye, Totem, etc.) though Necromancers (?) can get a goblin pet; though it is more of a Grimmin and not an Enchanted Lands-style goblin. I can have a goblin head/mask, at least, from Frostfell.

I also want the goblin (and frostfell elf) /tantrum emote.

ps. I can't even play a goblin in . . . that other game.  

pps. Christmas. . . er, Frostfell is coming! 

[Snowdonia]

Auric@Oasis wrote:

I just want to play a goblin.

AFAIK, there is no illusionary goblin form (Petrified Eye, Totem, etc.) though Necromancers (?) can get a goblin pet; though it is more of a Grimmin and not an Enchanted Lands-style goblin. I can have a goblin head/mask, at least, from Frostfell.

I believe one of the possible effects of Bristlebane's cloak is to turn you into a  goblin. I know I've seen a nice green gobbo PC standing around the FP docks with their Meatbeast pet. So, worship Bristleybane!Me, I'm quite happy with the Sarnak as a PC. They aren't so much lizard to me as bipedal dragons (which is technically still a lizard but it still feels different imo) without the wings. I'm really looking forward to them. I like the proposed society to boot.If I had a choice of the next new race though, I've always had a thing for Mermaids so it'd prolly be that.

[Enever]

I'm happy that the Sarnak are becoming playable. I see them as bipedal dragons as well. Just let them not be KOS in Qeynos, but KOS in Freeport, and I'll be happy. Last thing we need is Sarnak and Iksar livign together in perfect peace and harmony.

[LordPazuzu]

 G N O L L

[Argul]

LordPazuzu wrote:

 G N O L L

and, and

V A M P I R E S

[Deadrus]

NO no no .... not vampires and not undead. Vampires are basicly just a special type of undead. And its more like a class then a race. Becuase theoreticly any race/animal can become undead. And any sentient race could become a vampire. SoE need to do things to set them selfs apart from WOW not copy them.

Oh and by the way Sarnak is an Excelent choice for a new race. Ive wanted to play once since Ruins of Kunark First game out. I love the iksar and I cant wait to play the sarnak. And come on they made the fae then they made and "evil" fae that was REALLLY lame. that like makeing a human then a seperate human "race" called Evil human. It was lame. Sarnak is a lizard still but it's compleately differnt from an iksar. Have you seen the Fanfair or any of the other videos showing off the sarnak it has some amazeing animations.

[Galithdor]

Really umm...Sarnak fit into a Kunark expansion since they actually arent as beast-like as the other things on kunark. Im happy with the sarnak anyways because they are cool lol

PS. Posting early in the morning isnt good...sometimes i dont make sense

[ke'la]

Deadrus wrote:

NO no no .... not vampires and not undead. Vampires are basicly just a special type of undead. And its more like a class then a race. Becuase theoreticly any race/animal can become undead. And any sentient race could become a vampire. SoE need to do things to set them selfs apart from WOW not copy them.

Oh and by the way Sarnak is an Excelent choice for a new race. Ive wanted to play once since Ruins of Kunark First game out. I love the iksar and I cant wait to play the sarnak. And come on they made the fae then they made and "evil" fae that was REALLLY lame. that like makeing a human then a seperate human "race" called Evil human. It was lame. Sarnak is a lizard still but it's compleately differnt from an iksar. Have you seen the Fanfair or any of the other videos showing off the sarnak it has some amazeing animations.

Or making a seperat evil Elf race and calling it Evil(Dark) Elf, or a high and mighty elf race and calling it High Elf or making a Human/Elf hybrid and calling it Half-Elf or making an oversized Human and calling it Barbarian or making a bald blue human and calling it Eriodite or making a short human and calling it a Dwarf, or making a scaled down human and calling it a gnome.

[Deadrus]

ke'la wrote:

Deadrus wrote:

NO no no .... not vampires and not undead. Vampires are basicly just a special type of undead. And its more like a class then a race. Becuase theoreticly any race/animal can become undead. And any sentient race could become a vampire. SoE need to do things to set them selfs apart from WOW not copy them.

Oh and by the way Sarnak is an Excelent choice for a new race. Ive wanted to play once since Ruins of Kunark First game out. I love the iksar and I cant wait to play the sarnak. And come on they made the fae then they made and "evil" fae that was REALLLY lame. that like makeing a human then a seperate human "race" called Evil human. It was lame. Sarnak is a lizard still but it's compleately differnt from an iksar. Have you seen the Fanfair or any of the other videos showing off the sarnak it has some amazeing animations.

Or making a seperat evil Elf race and calling it Evil(Dark) Elf, or a high and mighty elf race and calling it High Elf or making a Human/Elf hybrid and calling it Half-Elf or making an oversized Human and calling it Barbarian or making a bald blue human and calling it Eriodite or making a short human and calling it a Dwarf, or making a scaled down human and calling it a gnome.

All of the classes you are disputeing are races that have existed already in eq1 lore. (and most fantasy lore) Anway dark elfs and high elfs dont look alike. I think you may be right that wood elfs and high elfs might be a little repedative but it was in eq1 lore. I'm fine with the EQ1 lore most of the races were humanoid yes. Because that is the easiest thing to do. But the Fae as playable WAS new but all they did was rehash the exact same thing with different wing and hair styles and skin colors and made it a "new" race when it wasnt new. They should have either only made the Fae betrable or not if they were going ot make an evil fae race. It was just a rip off of the last new race. I for one am extreamly happy to see the Sarnak comeing. I just thought makeing 2 New races almost exactly the same was a bit lame. Old races that are similar that is fine cuz you need to have lots of simialr but diferent things to start of a game.

[Phantos_Hopeslayer]

I'd personally like to see a kitsune type race, or fox people with multiple tails (up to nine).  Assuming they could make tails on the races they already have look better.  In fact I don't think I've ever seen a game with fox people as a race.  Would be fun.  Make them a more civilized off shoot of the gnoll race or something if they want it to fit lore.  Yet lately I don't think they're too worried about the lore anymore :p

[ke'la]

Deadrus wrote:

ke'la wrote:

Deadrus wrote:

NO no no .... not vampires and not undead. Vampires are basicly just a special type of undead. And its more like a class then a race. Becuase theoreticly any race/animal can become undead. And any sentient race could become a vampire. SoE need to do things to set them selfs apart from WOW not copy them.

Oh and by the way Sarnak is an Excelent choice for a new race. Ive wanted to play once since Ruins of Kunark First game out. I love the iksar and I cant wait to play the sarnak. And come on they made the fae then they made and "evil" fae that was REALLLY lame. that like makeing a human then a seperate human "race" called Evil human. It was lame. Sarnak is a lizard still but it's compleately differnt from an iksar. Have you seen the Fanfair or any of the other videos showing off the sarnak it has some amazeing animations.

Or making a seperat evil Elf race and calling it Evil(Dark) Elf, or a high and mighty elf race and calling it High Elf or making a Human/Elf hybrid and calling it Half-Elf or making an oversized Human and calling it Barbarian or making a bald blue human and calling it Eriodite or making a short human and calling it a Dwarf, or making a scaled down human and calling it a gnome.

All of the classes you are disputeing are races that have existed already in eq1 lore. (and most fantasy lore) Anway dark elfs and high elfs dont look alike(thats cause they cloned the Wood Elf model and painted it blue). I think you may be right that wood elfs and high elfs might be a little repedative but it was in eq1 lore. I'm fine with the EQ1 lore most of the races were humanoid yes. Because that is the easiest thing to do. But the Fae as playable WAS new but all they did was rehash the exact same thing with different wing and hair styles and skin colors and made it a "new" race when it wasnt new. They should have either only made the Fae betrable or not if they were going ot make an evil fae race. It was just a rip off of the last new race. I for one am extreamly happy to see the Sarnak comeing. I just thought makeing 2 New races almost exactly the same was a bit lame. Old races that are similar that is fine cuz you need to have lots of simialr but diferent things to start of a game.

The Fae are accually MORE differant looking from Arasai then the Dark Elfs are looking from the Wood Elf model(yes the LORE says they are twisted High Elfs but stand paint a Wood Elf blue and you got a Dark Elf), so don't give me the whole they look differant thing because if thats your only arument then its already blown out of the water.

As for exsisting in fantacy lore BOTH evil and good fairies are just as much if not MORE a part of Fantacy lore then Dark Elfs.

[ke'la]

Phantos_Hopeslayer wrote:

I'd personally like to see a kitsune type race, or fox people with multiple tails (up to nine).  Assuming they could make tails on the races they already have look better.  In fact I don't think I've ever seen a game with fox people as a race.  Would be fun.  Make them a more civilized off shoot of the gnoll race or something if they want it to fit lore.  Yet lately I don't think they're too worried about the lore anymore :p

I don't know why you say that so far everything I have seen fits just fine into EQ2's lore.

[oneeyedlotus]

Phantos_Hopeslayer wrote:

I'd personally like to see a kitsune type race, or fox people with multiple tails (up to nine).  Assuming they could make tails on the races they already have look better.  In fact I don't think I've ever seen a game with fox people as a race.  Would be fun.  Make them a more civilized off shoot of the gnoll race or something if they want it to fit lore.  Yet lately I don't think they're too worried about the lore anymore :p

Vanguard has a fox race.

[LordPazuzu]

oneeyedlotus wrote:

Phantos_Hopeslayer wrote:

I'd personally like to see a kitsune type race, or fox people with multiple tails (up to nine).  Assuming they could make tails on the races they already have look better.  In fact I don't think I've ever seen a game with fox people as a race.  Would be fun.  Make them a more civilized off shoot of the gnoll race or something if they want it to fit lore.  Yet lately I don't think they're too worried about the lore anymore :p

Vanguard has a fox race.

It's a Raki

[Nayurayne]

That just looks odd without a tail...

[Cusashorn]

LordPazuzu wrote:

oneeyedlotus wrote:

It's a Raki " width="15" height="15" />

OMG That is pure garbage! What's up with the Semi-casual Corporate wear?

[Wildmage]

Cusashorn wrote:

LordPazuzu wrote:

oneeyedlotus wrote:

It's a Raki " width="15" height="15" />

OMG That is pure garbage! What's up with the Semi-casual Corporate wear?

Its Fox Mcloud darn that makes me Slippy!

[Razak]

Yeah when I saw that picture I thought starfox too... weirdnessSo yeah, I would agree that I was less than thrilled by the choice of the Sarnak once I saw them... I just don't think there is coolness in them at all... While I understand not everyone wants to be a fairy I actually kind of liked those two races they added... Sarnak just don't look attractive to me but maybe that works because maybe it'll be attractive to those that didn't like fairies. Lorewise I understand it, and apparently people in EQ1 loved that race for some reason so who knows.For this convo, yeah Centaur is too difficult. Even past the problems previously posted, you also have complications with animations... Centaur currently have about 2 kicking animations and that's it, and while it would be cool, they'd be a nightmare to animate all the various casting & fighting animations into a horse. It's actually a race that hasn't been done much in MMOs and so I would think would be cool but I think the reason it hasn't been done is all the time that would need to be invested into it.I actually did theorize before they announced Sarnaks that they could go Siren for the next expansion and do an underwater theme... I think it would be great, I think a long time ago one of the devs mentioned they weren't going to go underwater, but then that was a different EQ2 team most likely and that could change... I do think underwater would bring an interesting new world to EQ2... and I think they have a lot of destroyed cities that could be placed in the ocean for an underwater race to live in that might be cool.My personal preference looking at EQ2 monsters as a player race would be Kobolds which I think would be very easy to do animation wise yet would still offer a very unique look for a player. It's also a class that looks very different from anything in the game which would be nice... maybe they could make it a true neutral since evil & good seem to have it as aggro. Since Sarnak seem to be going evil I think it'd be nice to have a true neutral race added next....

[Deadrus]

ke'la wrote:

Deadrus wrote:

ke'la wrote:

Deadrus wrote:

NO no no .... not vampires and not undead. Vampires are basicly just a special type of undead. And its more like a class then a race. Becuase theoreticly any race/animal can become undead. And any sentient race could become a vampire. SoE need to do things to set them selfs apart from WOW not copy them.

Oh and by the way Sarnak is an Excelent choice for a new race. Ive wanted to play once since Ruins of Kunark First game out. I love the iksar and I cant wait to play the sarnak. And come on they made the fae then they made and "evil" fae that was REALLLY lame. that like makeing a human then a seperate human "race" called Evil human. It was lame. Sarnak is a lizard still but it's compleately differnt from an iksar. Have you seen the Fanfair or any of the other videos showing off the sarnak it has some amazeing animations.

Or making a seperat evil Elf race and calling it Evil(Dark) Elf, or a high and mighty elf race and calling it High Elf or making a Human/Elf hybrid and calling it Half-Elf or making an oversized Human and calling it Barbarian or making a bald blue human and calling it Eriodite or making a short human and calling it a Dwarf, or making a scaled down human and calling it a gnome.

All of the classes you are disputeing are races that have existed already in eq1 lore. (and most fantasy lore) Anway dark elfs and high elfs dont look alike(thats cause they cloned the Wood Elf model and painted it blue). I think you may be right that wood elfs and high elfs might be a little repedative but it was in eq1 lore. I'm fine with the EQ1 lore most of the races were humanoid yes. Because that is the easiest thing to do. But the Fae as playable WAS new but all they did was rehash the exact same thing with different wing and hair styles and skin colors and made it a "new" race when it wasnt new. They should have either only made the Fae betrable or not if they were going ot make an evil fae race. It was just a rip off of the last new race. I for one am extreamly happy to see the Sarnak comeing. I just thought makeing 2 New races almost exactly the same was a bit lame. Old races that are similar that is fine cuz you need to have lots of simialr but diferent things to start of a game.

The Fae are accually MORE differant looking from Arasai then the Dark Elfs are looking from the Wood Elf model(yes the LORE says they are twisted High Elfs but stand paint a Wood Elf blue and you got a Dark Elf), so don't give me the whole they look differant thing because if thats your only arument then its already blown out of the water.

As for exsisting in fantacy lore BOTH evil and good fairies are just as much if not MORE a part of Fantacy lore then Dark Elfs.

Your totaly missing my point. Dark elfs are very differnt from a lore perspective. The only differnce betweent eh high elf and the wood elf is just differnt home in eq1. And in eq2 for them to be seperate doesnt make much sence they arent nesicaraly a geneticly differnt race form the high elf. The dark elf may still be geneticly same as high elf. but when Inny twisted them and hated them and turnd them evil killed them and rezed them to be his own creatoins they may have changed. I'm not complaining that almost all modles are all humanoid (with few exections) I dont have any problem with all the races from eq1 which is what we started with in eq2 when it came out. (yes they have added at least 1 new race to eq1 since eq2 has been out) I am just saying they come out with a new race the fay thats all and fine. They are tiny winged humanoids. But then they say Hey were going to give you ANOTHER NEW race but then its just painted differntly from the Fay.. Emo Fae is what they gave us. Im just saying that when they give us a second new race it wasnt really new at all. You keep bringing up classic races and how they are all bascily humanoid. I have no problem with that just the fae and the asari are baiscly the exact same thing and saying its new  when it wasnt was kinda lame in my opinion.

[Deadrus]

Cusashorn wrote:

LordPazuzu wrote:

oneeyedlotus wrote:

It's a Raki " width="15" height="15">

OMG That is pure garbage! What's up with the Semi-casual Corporate wear?

I'm totaly with you Cusa. That is PURE garbage. Freeking human with a animal head glued on. Please dont pull vanguard races into eq2. EQ2 had pleanty of stuff it can still pull form eq1. We dont need to takes stuff form the failure that is known as vangaurd.

[Enever]

Vanguard's models are crap. They all just have different heads and heights.

[Mirander_1]

Wildmage wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:

LordPazuzu wrote:

oneeyedlotus wrote:

It's a Raki " width="15" height="15" />

OMG That is pure garbage! What's up with the Semi-casual Corporate wear?

Its Fox Mcloud darn that makes me Slippy!

Do a barrel roll!!!

[ke'la]

Deadrus wrote:

ke'la wrote:

Deadrus wrote:

ke'la wrote:

Deadrus wrote:

NO no no .... not vampires and not undead. Vampires are basicly just a special type of undead. And its more like a class then a race. Becuase theoreticly any race/animal can become undead. And any sentient race could become a vampire. SoE need to do things to set them selfs apart from WOW not copy them.

Oh and by the way Sarnak is an Excelent choice for a new race. Ive wanted to play once since Ruins of Kunark First game out. I love the iksar and I cant wait to play the sarnak. And come on they made the fae then they made and "evil" fae that was REALLLY lame. that like makeing a human then a seperate human "race" called Evil human. It was lame. Sarnak is a lizard still but it's compleately differnt from an iksar. Have you seen the Fanfair or any of the other videos showing off the sarnak it has some amazeing animations.

Or making a seperat evil Elf race and calling it Evil(Dark) Elf, or a high and mighty elf race and calling it High Elf or making a Human/Elf hybrid and calling it Half-Elf or making an oversized Human and calling it Barbarian or making a bald blue human and calling it Eriodite or making a short human and calling it a Dwarf, or making a scaled down human and calling it a gnome.

All of the classes you are disputeing are races that have existed already in eq1 lore. (and most fantasy lore) Anway dark elfs and high elfs dont look alike(thats cause they cloned the Wood Elf model and painted it blue). I think you may be right that wood elfs and high elfs might be a little repedative but it was in eq1 lore. I'm fine with the EQ1 lore most of the races were humanoid yes. Because that is the easiest thing to do. But the Fae as playable WAS new but all they did was rehash the exact same thing with different wing and hair styles and skin colors and made it a "new" race when it wasnt new. They should have either only made the Fae betrable or not if they were going ot make an evil fae race. It was just a rip off of the last new race. I for one am extreamly happy to see the Sarnak comeing. I just thought makeing 2 New races almost exactly the same was a bit lame. Old races that are similar that is fine cuz you need to have lots of simialr but diferent things to start of a game.

The Fae are accually MORE differant looking from Arasai then the Dark Elfs are looking from the Wood Elf model(yes the LORE says they are twisted High Elfs but stand paint a Wood Elf blue and you got a Dark Elf), so don't give me the whole they look differant thing because if thats your only arument then its already blown out of the water.

As for exsisting in fantacy lore BOTH evil and good fairies are just as much if not MORE a part of Fantacy lore then Dark Elfs.

Your totaly missing my point. Dark elfs are very differnt from a lore perspective. The only differnce betweent eh high elf and the wood elf is just differnt home in eq1. And in eq2 for them to be seperate doesnt make much sence they arent nesicaraly a geneticly differnt race form the high elf. The dark elf may still be geneticly same as high elf. but when Inny twisted them and hated them and turnd them evil killed them and rezed them to be his own creatoins they may have changed. I'm not complaining that almost all modles are all humanoid (with few exections) I dont have any problem with all the races from eq1 which is what we started with in eq2 when it came out. (yes they have added at least 1 new race to eq1 since eq2 has been out) I am just saying they come out with a new race the fay thats all and fine. They are tiny winged humanoids. But then they say Hey were going to give you ANOTHER NEW race but then its just painted differntly from the Fay.. Emo Fae is what they gave us. Im just saying that when they give us a second new race it wasnt really new at all. You keep bringing up classic races and how they are all bascily humanoid. I have no problem with that just the fae and the asari are baiscly the exact same thing and saying its new  when it wasnt was kinda lame in my opinion.

The Lore behind the Arasia and Fae is the exsact same as the lore behind High Elf and Dark Elf. The Dark Elf is a recolored Wood Elf. Other then the fact that Dark Elfs are derived from a combo of High(for lore) and Wood(for looks) Elfs while Arasia are only derived from Fae. I fail to see the differance between them. Especally when in MOST fantacy lore "Twisted" Elfs tend to have more in comin look wise to Goblins then Blue Woodelfs, on the other hand in most fantacy lore the differance looks wise between good and bad faries is minamal at best.

[PassingStranger]

I personally like the Sarnak thing. It already has a place in the world lore-wise, but since they aren't actually in the game at present, you don't get the weird situation of making an actively hunted NPC race into a player race. That always feels...off to me. Whenever they do that, they tend to create a new model for the player race (to accomodate clothes, animations, gender, and a desire for new art/content), and so you then end up with the new style players and old style NPCs...they usually make some explanation for it, but...meh.

But the big reason I like the Sarnak choice? Not a an anthromorph. Or at least not very much so. They have had sort of a habbit of making new races just some anthromorphic concoction since the start of EQ1, and I know fantasy is full of them, but it feels a little cheesy after awhile. Iksar weren't so bad since they don't seem to be any specific lizard type, but since then it's been vah shir/kerrans, frogloks, ratonga...see my point? Half iksar/dragon seems a little refreshing, honestly.

[Phantos_Hopeslayer]

Deadrus wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:

LordPazuzu wrote:

oneeyedlotus wrote:

It's a Raki " width="15" height="15">

OMG That is pure garbage! What's up with the Semi-casual Corporate wear?

I'm totaly with you Cusa. That is PURE garbage. Freeking human with a animal head glued on. Please dont pull vanguard races into eq2. EQ2 had pleanty of stuff it can still pull form eq1. We dont need to takes stuff form the failure that is known as vangaurd.

That is an abomination!  It doesn't even have a tail!  What kind of fox doesn't have a tail!?!  That thing is a nothing!  It's worse than nothing!  If the models are that poor in Vanguard no wonder I've never heard of it.

[Deadrus]

ke'la wrote:

Deadrus wrote:

ke'la wrote:

Deadrus wrote:

ke'la wrote:

Deadrus wrote:

NO no no .... not vampires and not undead. Vampires are basicly just a special type of undead. And its more like a class then a race. Becuase theoreticly any race/animal can become undead. And any sentient race could become a vampire. SoE need to do things to set them selfs apart from WOW not copy them.

Oh and by the way Sarnak is an Excelent choice for a new race. Ive wanted to play once since Ruins of Kunark First game out. I love the iksar and I cant wait to play the sarnak. And come on they made the fae then they made and "evil" fae that was REALLLY lame. that like makeing a human then a seperate human "race" called Evil human. It was lame. Sarnak is a lizard still but it's compleately differnt from an iksar. Have you seen the Fanfair or any of the other videos showing off the sarnak it has some amazeing animations.

Or making a seperat evil Elf race and calling it Evil(Dark) Elf, or a high and mighty elf race and calling it High Elf or making a Human/Elf hybrid and calling it Half-Elf or making an oversized Human and calling it Barbarian or making a bald blue human and calling it Eriodite or making a short human and calling it a Dwarf, or making a scaled down human and calling it a gnome.

All of the classes you are disputeing are races that have existed already in eq1 lore. (and most fantasy lore) Anway dark elfs and high elfs dont look alike(thats cause they cloned the Wood Elf model and painted it blue). I think you may be right that wood elfs and high elfs might be a little repedative but it was in eq1 lore. I'm fine with the EQ1 lore most of the races were humanoid yes. Because that is the easiest thing to do. But the Fae as playable WAS new but all they did was rehash the exact same thing with different wing and hair styles and skin colors and made it a "new" race when it wasnt new. They should have either only made the Fae betrable or not if they were going ot make an evil fae race. It was just a rip off of the last new race. I for one am extreamly happy to see the Sarnak comeing. I just thought makeing 2 New races almost exactly the same was a bit lame. Old races that are similar that is fine cuz you need to have lots of simialr but diferent things to start of a game.

The Fae are accually MORE differant looking from Arasai then the Dark Elfs are looking from the Wood Elf model(yes the LORE says they are twisted High Elfs but stand paint a Wood Elf blue and you got a Dark Elf), so don't give me the whole they look differant thing because if thats your only arument then its already blown out of the water.

As for exsisting in fantacy lore BOTH evil and good fairies are just as much if not MORE a part of Fantacy lore then Dark Elfs.

Your totaly missing my point. Dark elfs are very differnt from a lore perspective. The only differnce betweent eh high elf and the wood elf is just differnt home in eq1. And in eq2 for them to be seperate doesnt make much sence they arent nesicaraly a geneticly differnt race form the high elf. The dark elf may still be geneticly same as high elf. but when Inny twisted them and hated them and turnd them evil killed them and rezed them to be his own creatoins they may have changed. I'm not complaining that almost all modles are all humanoid (with few exections) I dont have any problem with all the races from eq1 which is what we started with in eq2 when it came out. (yes they have added at least 1 new race to eq1 since eq2 has been out) I am just saying they come out with a new race the fay thats all and fine. They are tiny winged humanoids. But then they say Hey were going to give you ANOTHER NEW race but then its just painted differntly from the Fay.. Emo Fae is what they gave us. Im just saying that when they give us a second new race it wasnt really new at all. You keep bringing up classic races and how they are all bascily humanoid. I have no problem with that just the fae and the asari are baiscly the exact same thing and saying its new  when it wasnt was kinda lame in my opinion.

The Lore behind the Arasia and Fae is the exsact same as the lore behind High Elf and Dark Elf. The Dark Elf is a recolored Wood Elf. Other then the fact that Dark Elfs are derived from a combo of High(for lore) and Wood(for looks) Elfs while Arasia are only derived from Fae. I fail to see the differance between them. Especally when in MOST fantacy lore "Twisted" Elfs tend to have more in comin look wise to Goblins then Blue Woodelfs, on the other hand in most fantacy lore the differance looks wise between good and bad faries is minamal at best.

I know the lore behind the Arasia in fact I have a very nice bio for my Arasia based on that lore. I love lore and I love how they put togeather a neat story to make the lazyness of makeing a "new" but not new race into the game. I dont konw why you keep saying they look like wood elfs. I dont think they do and it has nothing to do with this anyway. My only POINT was i just dont konwwhy they gave us the Arasia and called them new when they werent. You say that all the other races are just taller or shorter or bulker versions of humans. But thats not what i have issue with. Because they are all apart of eq1 i love the lore and it's all well and good. I just don't like how they called the Asarai new when really they wernt and  i really like how we are finaly geting something Differnt the Sarnak after a year.

[Razak]

PassingStranger wrote:

But the big reason I like the Sarnak choice? Not a an anthromorph. Or at least not very much so. They have had sort of a habbit of making new races just some anthromorphic concoction since the start of EQ1, and I know fantasy is full of them, but it feels a little cheesy after awhile. Iksar weren't so bad since they don't seem to be any specific lizard type, but since then it's been vah shir/kerrans, frogloks, ratonga...see my point? Half iksar/dragon seems a little refreshing, honestly.

I certainly agree with you here. I do like that part, but I wish they had a cooler race to choose from that didn't have some sort of animal form...

[Griffinhart]

I personaly am looking forward to playing a sarnak.  It's something a bit different from the usual.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing SOE add a few more races in over time including Goblins, Orcs, Gnolls and maybe even some sort of Aviak or Droag.