Timeline on the fluff armor slots?

[Cocytus]

I forget where I heard it, but it was supposedly someone who made a guess from what a Dev said. They said it was supposed to be more or less around GU38.

If this did indeed make it in with GU38 (as it's due soonish), that would make this possibly one of the sexiest updates evar.

I dunno what kinda programming goes into it - but I figure there's not really a load to be tested and it'd be quick anyway?

[ke'la]

Cocytus wrote:

I forget where I heard it, but it was supposedly someone who made a guess from what a Dev said. They said it was supposed to be more or less around GU38.

If this did indeed make it in with GU38 (as it's due soonish), that would make this possibly one of the sexiest updates evar.

I dunno what kinda programming goes into it - but I figure there's not really a load to be tested and it'd be quick anyway?

Basicly its like this, a dev posted on the UI Modder's Site EQ2interface that a new Persona UI was going to be added to the game with LU38 in preperation for the new Fluff Armor Slots. Many have taken this to mean that with LU38 we are going to get said slots. Personally I am not so shure, SoE has in the past adjusted the UI in preporation for an addition that is acually 2 or 3 LUs out. That said consitering the time it has taken them to get this update to test, I am thinking its possable that the Fluff armor will indead make it in with LU38.

[Zabjade]

Hmmm Just think of all of the lady Mages who will wear the Guild level 40 formal wear so they will not look like nuns.

[Armawk]

Zabjade wrote:

Hmmm Just think of all of the lady Mages who will wear the Guild level 40 formal wear so they will not look like nuns.

Not just mages.. lady tanks, lady everything. blue formal wear everywhere  you look. and christmas outfits.

[LordDarthKhan]

Not to mention no more bloody rainbow-patchwork-looking folks infesting the game... If that really happens it WILL be the sexiest update ever.

[Keiran_Halcyon]

shaunfletcher wrote:

Zabjade wrote:

Hmmm Just think of all of the lady Mages who will wear the Guild level 40 formal wear so they will not look like nuns.

Not just mages.. lady tanks, lady everything. blue formal wear everywhere  you look. and christmas outfits.

While the female formal ensemble sure is nice, I am more excited about wearing the beautiful T5 fabled armor again on my lady guardian.

[Duskwo]

Im missing out here. Am I to understand they are putting in armor slots that are what, customizable? Can you make them look like whatever you want to? Or is there slots to wear things over your armor such as the formal wear? Because if its customizable, thats the stupidest thing I've ever seen go into an MMO. Everyone will wear the same couple of things O_o

[Armawk]

Keiran_Halcyon wrote:

shaunfletcher wrote:

Zabjade wrote:

Hmmm Just think of all of the lady Mages who will wear the Guild level 40 formal wear so they will not look like nuns.

Not just mages.. lady tanks, lady everything. blue formal wear everywhere  you look. and christmas outfits.

While the female formal ensemble sure is nice, I am more excited about wearing the beautiful T5 fabled armor again on my lady guardian.

Would that everyone were like you

[Zabjade]

Although that lowbie T1 questlines have no shoulders (Freeport side) and the red armor would look nice on my SK

[Novusod]

Duskwood wrote:

Im missing out here. Am I to understand they are putting in armor slots that are what, customizable? Can you make them look like whatever you want to? Or is there slots to wear things over your armor such as the formal wear? Because if its customizable, thats the stupidest thing I've ever seen go into an MMO. Everyone will wear the same couple of things O_o

Why would everyone want to wear the same couple of things? That is what we have now where everybody who is 70 is decked out in KoS and EoF Legendary or Fabled set gear. These fluff armor slots are being added so we can get away from everyone looking the same. When the MMO "Sword of the New World" added costume slots there was a very well mixed distribution of what people choose to look like due to differing tastes. The only draw back in the long term is that the SotNW system kind of ruined "image" progression where players could look the same from level 1 to 100 and had nothing to shoot for visually. We will have to wait and see if the instant gratification of fluff armors wears off in six months time.

[Rijacki]

I'm glad for the concept of 'fluff armor slots' for visual effect.  I think it's a -much- better solution than dyes, actually.  It means someone could wear a hard won item for a lot longer than the stats.  It means optimising your stats doesn't dictate your appearance.  It means -you- choose to wear specific items.  It also doesn't break the dev concept of having certain looks only available from certain places.In EQ1, pre-dyes, the only blue leather or chain was from the kobolds in Stonebrunt Mts at the backside of the Kobold den that I can't remember the name of.  When I wanted a full set of it for my character's wedding, I toiled for weeks to get the pieces (and a friend did, too, to help me).  The pieces I sold were also rather expensive in the bazzar.  As soon as Ykesha released and dyes were part of the game, getting blue leather was trivial.  The price of the blue wicker armor plummeted and my full suit was meaningless.  In the "fluff armor slots" concept, my full blue suit would still have been worth the effort to obtain it since it still would have been the only way to do so.But for when....At Fan Faire they said Soon(TM).  But the EQ2Interfaces site was given notice the Soon is heaps more soon, like GU38 soon, which makes this little gnome (not so little Erudite and positively diminutive arasai) very happy.

[Bramwe]

Are there details on this anywhere?  Will there be a fluff slot for every visible piece of armor or just one slot that dictates your whole suit? I would assume every visible piece gets a slot but would like to know for sure.  I thought they didn't like the rainbow troll concept but maybe they have changed their minds

[LowfyrWildforge]

Why is it that the female formal outfits seem to be all barefoot?  They might as well put a pregnancy mod on them, too.

[Raveller]

shaunfletcher wrote:

Zabjade wrote:

Hmmm Just think of all of the lady Mages who will wear the Guild level 40 formal wear so they will not look like nuns.

Not just mages.. lady tanks, lady everything. blue formal wear everywhere  you look. and christmas outfits.

Tanks in cloth? If they allow that, then the tank should have the mitigation of the cloth fluff piece, and not the mitigation of the plate stat piece.

I hope at least one dev at SOE is not a total twit and that the type of the fluff armor piece (cloth, leather, chain, plate) has to be the same as the type of the stat armor piece.

What are we playing here? EQ2, or WoW for idiots? 

[Zarafein]

what the heck has this to do with wow? Should tanks have mitgation penality because we don't need to show our head armor as well? Sure female tanks in formal garment are well not so good, but thats it, do you remember the intro movie? oh none of them wear full plate, not just the females.. there are many possibilities for nice outfits.

[rumblepants]

Raveller wrote:

shaunfletcher wrote:

Zabjade wrote:

Hmmm Just think of all of the lady Mages who will wear the Guild level 40 formal wear so they will not look like nuns.

Not just mages.. lady tanks, lady everything. blue formal wear everywhere  you look. and christmas outfits.

Tanks in cloth? If they allow that, then the tank should have the mitigation of the cloth fluff piece, and not the mitigation of the plate stat piece.

I hope at least one dev at SOE is not a total twit and that the type of the fluff armor piece (cloth, leather, chain, plate) has to be the same as the type of the stat armor piece.

What are we playing here? EQ2, or WoW for idiots? 

I agree. If they have to give tanks cloth appearance then they should devote time to come up with new animations for surcoats.

[Zarafein]

Well surcoats would be great, but i doubt we get them anytime before skeletal revamp

[mellowknees72]

shaunfletcher wrote:

Keiran_Halcyon wrote:

shaunfletcher wrote:

Zabjade wrote:

Hmmm Just think of all of the lady Mages who will wear the Guild level 40 formal wear so they will not look like nuns.

Not just mages.. lady tanks, lady everything. blue formal wear everywhere  you look. and christmas outfits.

While the female formal ensemble sure is nice, I am more excited about wearing the beautiful T5 fabled armor again on my lady guardian.

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I'd be a heck of a lot more excited about getting to wear the formal wear if we ladies could just have some nice fancy SHOES.  While it's ethnically appropriate for all of my halflings to go shoe-less, I'm sure that high elves, wood elves, barbarians, and others, would love to have some nice formal shoes to go with those lovely dresses.

And how about some tights or something, so we don't look like you caught us half-dressed for a party?

[Cica]

Im really happy to hear about "fluff armor slots" and all but i was wondering if like ppl mentioned plate wearers will be able to wear robes and stuff for looks, my poor caster characters will be still "stuck" with robes, or will they be able to wear plate for fluff ?? This will be the best for plate wearers cause they will be able to look like anything they want, while cloth wearers will only still have the cloth option ?? Anyone knows pls ??

[Cocytus]

It's not cool of people to complain about other classes looking how they want to look. YOU chose to make a cloth wearer, knowing you could only wear cloth.

Tanks have always been able to wear any type they want. ATM, as long as a tank has plate in all other slots...He can already tank in a robe if he wants.

Anyway. All you have to do to get plate...Do some factioning with the FP/Qeynos guards. Or do BC quests. General idea, stop being lazy

[Cica]

Wasnt complaining was asking can you see the questionmarks at the end of my centenses ?   And the only ones i knew i could wear that looks plate was the one i could get from good side bloodlines quests, evil side doesnt give that nice of armor, thought what u can get with status was only wearable by plate wearers, will check it out tho thanks.

[Cocytus]

Cica wrote:

Wasnt complaining was asking can you see the questionmarks at the end of my centenses ? " width="15" height="15" />  And the only ones i knew i could wear that looks plate was the one i could get from good side bloodlines quests, evil side doesnt give that nice of armor, thought what u can get with status was only wearable by plate wearers, will check it out tho thanks.

Yes, it's good side only. The evil side just has plate shoulders/gauntlets/feet, not chest/legs.

The Qeynos Guard and the Freeport militia both have two sets (each) of plate wearable by mages. One requires 20,000 status and is ~16g per piece. The other requires 40,000 status and is ~90g per piece.

[Armawk]

Lhangion@Innovation wrote:

Well surcoats would be great, but i doubt we get them anytime before skeletal revamp

The addition of (guild insignia bearing by option) surcoats would be just fantastic.

[Captain_Xpendab]

Of course we'll still see some Rainbow Raid Groups. You think the hardcore min/maxers are going to use those slots as anything other than extra storage?But it's nice that the rest of us normal people will have the option.

[LordDarthKhan]

If that fluff armor thing isn't just a rumor, I'll be too happy not to look like an idion running around in my plate...

[Novusod]

It is more than just a rumor because it is up and working on the test server now. I even tryed it out myself when I equip a blood hide Gi in the chest slot it overwrote all the other graphics I was wearing. Note the appearance tab in the screencap:Very nice job devs. No more clown suits.

[Kindayr]

omg i can't wait to get home from work.

DAMNIT, i deleted all my zerker AQ stuff last week!! DARN YOU FATE

[Lodrelhai]

For some reason I'm not seeing the appearance tab when I log onto the Test server.  I made sure to remove my custom UI inventory files first.  Then I removed the whole custom UI and the eq2.ini file that referred to it.  Then tried moving the test folder out of me EQ2 folder on the off chance that for some reason the game was looking at the Everquest 2/UI/Default/ folder for the inventory screen rather than the Everquest 2/Test Server/UI/Default folder.  I even tried copying the new eq2_inventory_inventory.xml folder into my custom UI folder after I restored the custom UI.I can see the new tab info in the UI Builder, but not in-game.  Anyone else having this problem?

[Deila]

Lodrelhai wrote:

For some reason I'm not seeing the appearance tab when I log onto the Test server.  I made sure to remove my custom UI inventory files first.  Then I removed the whole custom UI and the eq2.ini file that referred to it.  Then tried moving the test folder out of me EQ2 folder on the off chance that for some reason the game was looking at the Everquest 2/UI/Default/ folder for the inventory screen rather than the Everquest 2/Test Server/UI/Default folder.  I even tried copying the new eq2_inventory_inventory.xml folder into my custom UI folder after I restored the custom UI.I can see the new tab info in the UI Builder, but not in-game.  Anyone else having this problem?

We quickly discovered that the Appearance tab of Inventory (the 'fluff armor' stuff) becomes available to characters at level 20, adventuring or crafting. If you're not 20 yet, you won't be able to play with this cool feature.

To answer an earlier query, it also looks like the Appearance slot requirements follow class restrictions. i.e., Mages can't equip heavier than cloth armor, nor can a Berserker equip a robe designated as Mage Only, nor can you equip an item with a higher level requirement than you currently are. Or, in short, if you can wear it as adventuring gear, you can wear it as an Appearance item. If you can't equip it as adventuring gear, no Appearance either.

[Deila]

One other thing of note - the Appearance tab does not completely overwrite the display of gear worn in the regular Equipment tab unless the item worn in Appearance would normally do so (such as gis or robes covering various other armor slot pieces).

I've filed a /feedback of my own, with a feature request to add some functionality to this to allow for having 'empty' display slots. Reposting my original /feedback here for your thoughts.

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I LOVE the new Appearance tab! This is going to be a hugely popular feature when this goes live.

However, I have a feature request that I think would improve Appearance significantly.

I'd like to see a checkbox on the Appearance tab for an optional Full Override (or somesuch name) that would allow empty slots in the Appearance array to display as being empty on the character avatar.

Example - my Dirge is equipped with full Steel chain armor. For a fashionable look though, I'd like to put Boiled Leather armor in the chest, pants, bracers and boots slots of the Appearance tab, going for the no helm, no gloves, bare-shouldered look. Without checking the Full Override box, the chain coif, gloves and shoulders would 'show through' on the avatar along with the leather pieces (as they currently do). However, if the Full Override box was checked, the empty slots in Appearance would display as empty leaving just the leather pieces (and the desired bare-shouldered look) to display on the avatar.

Clearly this kind of override for the Appearance tab would need to be optional, or we'd all be nekkid by default if no items were equipped in Appearance, nor would we have the option of just displaying our regular adventuring gear if we like that look (short of having to get duplicates of everything - not very viable for raid fabled, etc.). A checkbox option though would allow for either scenario, as the player prefers.

Thoughts?