The look of RoK...

Ixalmaris · 08-05-2007, 07:31 AM

For all those who say that SOE never listens etc. here some things which will come with RoK. - new skeletel model system (Not completly done) - a new layer of clothing that will fit over top of your armor so that you can control how you look regardless of how unmatched your armor is. - tintable furniture for rooms (No tintable armor!)

ke'la · 08-05-2007, 08:45 AM

Ixalmaris wrote:

For all those who say that SOE never listens etc. here some things which will come with RoK. - new skeletel model system (Not completly done) - a new layer of clothing that will fit over top of your armor so that you can control how you look regardless of how unmatched your armor is. - tintable furniture for rooms (No tintable armor!)

I went to the First panel and they second new layer o clothing, thing from my understanding was planed Post-RoK not with RoK. The Sarnak WILL be completly done in the Skeletel Model at RoK Launch and they are slowly phasing pieces of the exsisting caractor models as they are completed. One some of the features of the new models(this was from an earlier panel) are Plate Gontlets that accually have fingers, suport for more "Sexy" clothing models. The ablity for Iteam designers to only have to make 1 iteam model and have it apply to All races, meaning all they have to do is design an armor model then just push one button and every race can now equip it. Up until now they accually had to make a differant model for every race and sex. One of the side benifits of the model revamp is that Soga Models are going away, and hair and such available in Soga will be merged into the new model, wich is why we saw them add the soga Hairstyles to the Standard Human Male in a resont update.

AbsentmindedMage · 08-05-2007, 11:52 AM

ke'la wrote:

Ixalmaris wrote:
For all those who say that SOE never listens etc. here some things which will come with RoK. - new skeletel model system (Not completly done) - a new layer of clothing that will fit over top of your armor so that you can control how you look regardless of how unmatched your armor is. - tintable furniture for rooms (No tintable armor!)
I went to the First panel and they second new layer o clothing, thing from my understanding was planed Post-RoK not with RoK. The Sarnak WILL be completly done in the Skeletel Model at RoK Launch and they are slowly phasing pieces of the exsisting caractor models as they are completed. One some of the features of the new models(this was from an earlier panel) are Plate Gontlets that accually have fingers, suport for more "Sexy" clothing models. The ablity for Iteam designers to only have to make 1 iteam model and have it apply to All races, meaning all they have to do is design an armor model then just push one button and every race can now equip it. Up until now they accually had to make a differant model for every race and sex. One of the side benifits of the model revamp is that Soga Models are going away, and hair and such available in Soga will be merged into the new model, wich is why we saw them add the soga Hairstyles to the Standard Human Male in a resont update.

The alternate models are going away? Wow, that will definitely upset a number of people. Are you sure that is what they said? In my opinion, it doesnt make sense to put the alternate model hair on the original models as they look completely different. So, basically, the skeletal revamp will completely change the way the character models look? Hopefully so because some of the original models looked a bit deformed.

Armawk · 08-05-2007, 12:51 PM

I dont believe for one second they would remove the soga models.

Unless they really hate money, and want to receive a lot less of it each month, which seems unlikely.

Amphibia · 08-05-2007, 01:02 PM

ke'la wrote:

One of the side benifits of the model revamp is that Soga Models are going away, and hair and such available in Soga will be merged into the new model, wich is why we saw them add the soga Hairstyles to the Standard Human Male in a resont update.

You kidding? But I totally hate the old models.... I think they're ugly, and I would hate for my character to look anything like the original high elf. SMILEY

Norrsken · 08-05-2007, 01:26 PM

Amphibia wrote:

ke'la wrote:
One of the side benifits of the model revamp is that Soga Models are going away, and hair and such available in Soga will be merged into the new model, wich is why we saw them add the soga Hairstyles to the Standard Human Male in a resont update.
You kidding? But I totally hate the old models.... I think they're ugly, and I would hate for my character to look anything like the original high elf.

I honestly hate the soga models, basically all but like one. They look plastic and have really wierd poses and proportions. So I guess its all in someones taste. If they "merge" them by just making the normal ones look more like soga, I'll puke. If they merge them by deleting one in favor of the othre, I'll puke. If they did a nice overhaul of the old bland stuff, and kept or revamped the soga ones, I'd be happy. SMILEY

BarkerGaming · 08-05-2007, 01:47 PM

I think that if they mix the two, nicely so that everyone keeps what they want, but can go either way it'd be very nice I don't like the thought that my half-elf is being viewed as two totally different models.. Kind of strange really.. I'm fine with the originals, but again it's personal preference.

Squigglle · 08-05-2007, 02:55 PM

got a link? o want to see prof

Dragowulf · 08-05-2007, 03:02 PM

I beleive it. This skeletal revamp will change a lot of characteristics for the player models in the game. I like soga, rather than the normal claymation models. I think that the teams working on the revamp will change the models significantly. Chances are the "new" models will be completely different than what we see in Soga/Normal today...but they will still wield thecharacteristics that you have had in your character from launch.

Guy De Alsace · 08-05-2007, 03:15 PM

If there's an option to switch off soga inspired "features" I would be happy. I wouldnt be happy about forced soga models. In short I dont want an invasion of the plastic people from Mars on my EQ2 copy please!

God I hope they dont bring more nightmarish Mara Children in....*shudder*. Like something out of a horror movie or a game from 1995...

Gomora_Toad · 08-05-2007, 03:25 PM

I really hope the alternate models aren't just being dropped. I'm fine with a model merge if all of the models' options remain available (facial features and shapes as well as hairstyles). Some of us can only make our characters look right with a certain model type's options (soga/alternate in my case, and I know I'm not the only one). And a hair transplant really isn't enough... when I view my character's original model, I have far more issues with his face than his silly ponytail. Seems backwards to give us spiffy new options to make our character's armor look better, but take away our ability to customize the character itself.

Dragowulf · 08-05-2007, 03:36 PM

Guy De Alsace wrote:

If there's an option to switch off soga inspired "features" I would be happy. I wouldnt be happy about forced soga models. In short I dont want an invasion of the plastic people from Mars on my EQ2 copy please!
God I hope they dont bring more nightmarish Mara Children in....*shudder*. Like something out of a horror movie or a game from 1995...

It wont be plastic or claymation models. Check this out "This time, while we didn't entirely throw caution to the wind, we did share quite a bit about things like Guild Housing, Combat Music, the New Map System, New Character Models, and dozens of smaller things."-Found Here The revamp to the skeletal structure will also change the models. like it says above, they will be NEW. Chances are the models will be different in every aspect besid es customization and hair. We will see "NEW CHARACTER MODELS". We all know what new means. drago.

Zarafein · 08-05-2007, 03:58 PM

Need to see at least one of the old models changed to new models(best a human or something near human) to decide if this is great, nice, bad or horrible...

Cocytus · 08-05-2007, 04:20 PM

It's a good idea. There's really no debate about it.

People hate soga (I loathe it), people hate the original models (I don't understand why), what's wrong with making a universal one that hopefully everyone likes?

All you silly anime fans need to play something more cartoony :/

Zarafein · 08-05-2007, 04:29 PM

Cocytus wrote:

It's a good idea. There's really no debate about it.
People hate soga (I loathe it), people hate the original models (I don't understand why), what's wrong with making a universal one that hopefully everyone likes?
All you silly anime fans need to play something more cartoony :/

Hopefully is the important part, if you look at some newer race(fae) and npc models quite possible that the new models will loke more like soga than original models.

Dragowulf · 08-05-2007, 04:38 PM

Cocytus wrote:

It's a good idea. There's really no debate about it.
People hate soga (I loathe it), people hate the original models (I don't understand why), what's wrong with making a universal one that hopefully everyone likes?
All you silly anime fans need to play something more cartoony :/

i like the soga not because it looks "anime", but because it gives me more of a feel than the normal models. Everybody is different. The n ormal models didn't give me the customizeability t hat the soga do have, and vice versa for different people. BTW Sarnak are the only new models done.

sfarugger · 08-05-2007, 04:57 PM

From the information I've gathered throughout the Fan Faire, these new character models will allow more dyanmic movement, along with the ability to add in armor and weapons FASTER than it traditionally takes 3 months to develop. So as it's definetely an upgrade to the character models, it has additional internal benefits.

Woot, maybe we'll see new /dance emotes!! I've always wanted to do the "Kid n Play" dance. I personally think this is also playing into the ability to wear additional layers of clothing that they've mentioned.

Dragowulf · 08-05-2007, 04:58 PM

Dardores@Unrest wrote:

From the information I've gathered throughout the Fan Faire, these new character models will allow more dyanmic movement, along with the ability to add in armor and weapons FASTER than it traditionally takes 3 months to develop. So as it's definetely an upgrade to the character models, it has additional internal benefits.
Woot, maybe we'll see new /dance emotes!! I've always wanted to do the "Kid n Play" dance. I personally think this is also playing into the ability to wear additional layers of clothing that they've mentioned.

Yeah we will also probably be seeing some new /mood Yay!!!! and and and some titty bopper armor!!!!! I'm all for whatever they are doing. *adrenaline rush* drago.

Amphibia · 08-05-2007, 05:11 PM

Cocytus wrote:

It's a good idea. There's really no debate about it.
People hate soga (I loathe it), people hate the original models (I don't understand why), what's wrong with making a universal one that hopefully everyone likes?
All you silly anime fans need to play something more cartoony :/

What right do you have to tell someone with a different taste than your own to go and play another game? lol And of course you don't understand why people like the alternate models, if you hate them. Personally, I don't like the normal models at all.... clayish and ugly are two words that comes immediatly to mind, and the elf models are too short for my taste. And that's just what it all comes down to... personal taste. I really hope they don't screw this up tbh.....

Dragowulf · 08-05-2007, 05:17 PM

Amphibia wrote:

Cocytus wrote:
It's a good idea. There's really no debate about it.
People hate soga (I loathe it), people hate the original models (I don't understand why), what's wrong with making a universal one that hopefully everyone likes?
All you silly anime fans need to play something more cartoony :/
What right do you have to tell someone with a different taste than your own to go and play another game? lol And of course you don't understand why people like the alternate models, if you hate them. Personally, I don't like the normal models at all.... clayish and ugly are two words that comes immediatly to mind, and the elf models are too short for my taste. And that's just what it all comes down to... personal taste. I really hope they don't screw this up tbh.....

Agreed. Everyone has a different taste, everybody is different. It's all about personal preferance. Maybe we can get some sexy armor for the ladies. Hopefully it will be more realistic (normal models) and some fantasy (alternate models).

Winter · 08-05-2007, 06:03 PM

The SOGA models are going away, Ke'la? I don't recall them saying that, but I do know that they're merging thing for more customization options. I have hearing loss though, so it is possible I just didn't hear that portion.

As far as the second layer of clothing thing goes, that is a good way off. They said they are looking at ways to do it, and so on and so forth. I don't even think that would fit into the "Soon " category. But I do definitely look forward to it.

All in all, the expansion looks beautiful. The environments, everything... amazing. My biggest concern with RoK was the new zone size and how laggy they would be. One engineer told me, however, that they have one person specifically working on lag issues, trying to figure everything out and pinpoint it. Awesome, no? SMILEY

Mirander_1 · 08-05-2007, 06:10 PM

I read somewhere else that the Soga models aren't going away. Rather, the bodies of the two models will be the same (so no more twig legs on soga females), but they'll keep two different head/face styles. That being said, with people talking about the new models having nostrils and such, it sounds like the US models are having their faces changed as part of this revamp (hopefully they'll start looking normal when all this is done).

Amphibia · 08-06-2007, 05:36 AM

Mirander_1 wrote:

I read somewhere else that the Soga models aren't going away. Rather, the bodies of the two models will be the same (so no more twig legs on soga females), but they'll keep two different head/face styles. That being said, with people talking about the new models having nostrils and such, it sounds like the US models are having their faces changed as part of this revamp (hopefully they'll start looking normal when all this is done).

This was good news, I hope it is so. A link would be awesome, but it sounds like you have forgotten where you read it. SMILEY

ke'la · 08-06-2007, 07:10 AM

I was over zelouse when I said they are going away, after reviewing the recording of the answer that was given in the Models forum, what they are doing is adding Soga Options to the New Normal models, so while they will be merged. The first very small piece of that was when they added the soga hairstyles to the Human Males, so basicly there will be no "alternate" apperance, instead everyone will have the new model, however with in that model will be elements of the soga models as well as the revamped new models, yes they humans are getting a new look. I think I may have a pic of it somewhere.

::EDIT::

Unforunatly the pic I got of the new male model did not come out, so I can't show it however it was really cool and had things like real Toes, Real Fingers(even in Plate armor), Belly buttons, and when out of armor he wore underware NOT the refugee pants, and it was said that the girls will also have underware instead of the Torn Dresses, so they can then add more sexy armor and such.

Besual · 08-06-2007, 10:30 AM

ke'la wrote:

I was over zelouse when I said they are going away, after reviewing the recording of the answer that was given in the Models forum, what they are doing is adding Soga Options to the New Normal models, so while they will be merged. The first very small piece of that was when they added the soga hairstyles to the Human Males, so basicly there will be no "alternate" apperance, instead everyone will have the new model, however with in that model will be elements of the soga models as well as the revamped new models, yes they humans are getting a new look. I think I may have a pic of it somewhere.
::EDIT::
Unforunatly the pic I got of the new male model did not come out, so I can't show it however it was really cool and had things like real Toes, Real Fingers(even in Plate armor), Belly buttons, and when out of armor he wore underware NOT the refugee pants, and it was said that the girls will also have underware instead of the Torn Dresses, so they can then add more sexy armor and such.

Argh, then I have to see the ugly SOGA models? If someone likes to look like anime ... fine. Till now I don't have to endure this torture to my eyes. I just can turn off the SOGA models. If there are no alternate models then I won't have this option any longer SMILEY

EomerFarst · 08-06-2007, 10:47 AM

Personally I can't stand SOGA models. The obvious Manga feel they tried to bring to EQ2 is just horrid. SOGA models look awkward and out of proportion.

I always thought the original models gave EQ2 a much more grown up and real world feel. If I want to play a cartoon elf with floopy ears I'll re-sub my WoW account. I don't want my woodelf looking like Ken and Ryu from Street Fighter either which SOGA models currently do lol.

Amphibia · 08-06-2007, 11:11 AM

EomerFarstar wrote:

Personally I can't stand SOGA models. The obvious Manga feel they tried to bring to EQ2 is just horrid. SOGA models look awkward and out of proportion.
I always thought the original models gave EQ2 a much more grown up and real world feel. If I want to play a cartoon elf with floopy ears I'll re-sub my WoW account. I don't want my woodelf looking like Ken and Ryu from Street Fighter either which SOGA models currently do lol.

According to what she said, you won't have to. And those of us who like SOGA won't have to go back to the clay-models either, most likely. As for female stick legs and other mis-proportions, I think they might disappear with the skeletal revamp. I'm not a huge fan of anime either, but I don't think the alternate models look very anime-ish. Unlike most Asian cartoon figures, these actually have noses. And they don't have oversized eyes etc....

Xentin · 08-06-2007, 01:49 PM

Amphibia wrote:

EomerFarstar wrote:
Personally I can't stand SOGA models. The obvious Manga feel they tried to bring to EQ2 is just horrid. SOGA models look awkward and out of proportion.
I always thought the original models gave EQ2 a much more grown up and real world feel. If I want to play a cartoon elf with floopy ears I'll re-sub my WoW account. I don't want my woodelf looking like Ken and Ryu from Street Fighter either which SOGA models currently do lol.
I'm not a huge fan of anime either, but I don't think the alternate models look very anime-ish. Unlike most Asian cartoon figures, these actually have noses. And they don't have oversized eyes etc....

Not all anime is that way, to me SOGA is very anime and very unproportional to EQ2, they look very out of place imo. Yes it is all personal opinion on these but if they are combining the two that solely means you take the personal opinion out of it, sure ill be able to make my toon along the ways of the current normal models but I will have to see the SOGA people with their SOGA accessories, I dont want to see that crap

Dragowulf · 08-06-2007, 02:26 PM

Xentin wrote:

Amphibia wrote:
EomerFarstar wrote:
Personally I can't stand SOGA models. The obvious Manga feel they tried to bring to EQ2 is just horrid. SOGA models look awkward and out of proportion.
I always thought the original models gave EQ2 a much more grown up and real world feel. If I want to play a cartoon elf with floopy ears I'll re-sub my WoW account. I don't want my woodelf looking like Ken and Ryu from Street Fighter either which SOGA models currently do lol.
I'm not a huge fan of anime either, but I don't think the alternate models look very anime-ish. Unlike most Asian cartoon figures, these actually have noses. And they don't have oversized eyes etc....
Not all anime is that way, to me SOGA is very anime and very unproportional to EQ2, they look very out of place imo. Yes it is all personal opinion on these but if they are combining the two that solely means you take the personal opinion out of it, sure ill be able to make my toon along the ways of the current normal models but I will have to see the SOGA people with their SOGA accessories, I dont want to see that crap

That is what they want their character to look like anyways. You wouldn't want someone to say that they don't want to see your normal model hair/accessories? Everyone has their own preferances and it is not your place to tell someone what they want to make their character look like. If you don't w ant to see it, simply do not look at it. Either w ay, it will be really different, so until you see the final product- don't whine. drago.

Catseyes · 08-06-2007, 02:40 PM

"Everyone has their own preferances and it is not your place to tell someone what they want to make their character look like. If you don't w ant to see it, simply do not look at it. " Seems that could apply to you either ? Why we should close our eyes if we dont like Soga models ? It's your right to turn soga on and play with, but it's ours to turn off and play without. I dont like soga , it's a personal taste, i dont want to be FORCED to see them. Should be a choice like it was until there. I pray for that SoE will continue to let ppl freely choose how to play, that would be else to force ppl with race/classes combos. Freedom in EQ2 and the diversity it brings is our strengh,let's continue that way plz.

08-05-2007, 08:45 AM	#2
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	Ixalmaris wrote: For all those who say that SOE never listens etc. here some things which will come with RoK. - new skeletel model system (Not completly done) - a new layer of clothing that will fit over top of your armor so that you can control how you look regardless of how unmatched your armor is. - tintable furniture for rooms (No tintable armor!) I went to the First panel and they second new layer o clothing, thing from my understanding was planed Post-RoK not with RoK. The Sarnak WILL be completly done in the Skeletel Model at RoK Launch and they are slowly phasing pieces of the exsisting caractor models as they are completed. One some of the features of the new models(this was from an earlier panel) are Plate Gontlets that accually have fingers, suport for more "Sexy" clothing models. The ablity for Iteam designers to only have to make 1 iteam model and have it apply to All races, meaning all they have to do is design an armor model then just push one button and every race can now equip it. Up until now they accually had to make a differant model for every race and sex. One of the side benifits of the model revamp is that Soga Models are going away, and hair and such available in Soga will be merged into the new model, wich is why we saw them add the soga Hairstyles to the Standard Human Male in a resont update. __________________

08-05-2007, 11:52 AM	#3
AbsentmindedMage Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 362	ke'la wrote: Ixalmaris wrote: For all those who say that SOE never listens etc. here some things which will come with RoK. - new skeletel model system (Not completly done) - a new layer of clothing that will fit over top of your armor so that you can control how you look regardless of how unmatched your armor is. - tintable furniture for rooms (No tintable armor!) I went to the First panel and they second new layer o clothing, thing from my understanding was planed Post-RoK not with RoK. The Sarnak WILL be completly done in the Skeletel Model at RoK Launch and they are slowly phasing pieces of the exsisting caractor models as they are completed. One some of the features of the new models(this was from an earlier panel) are Plate Gontlets that accually have fingers, suport for more "Sexy" clothing models. The ablity for Iteam designers to only have to make 1 iteam model and have it apply to All races, meaning all they have to do is design an armor model then just push one button and every race can now equip it. Up until now they accually had to make a differant model for every race and sex. One of the side benifits of the model revamp is that Soga Models are going away, and hair and such available in Soga will be merged into the new model, wich is why we saw them add the soga Hairstyles to the Standard Human Male in a resont update. The alternate models are going away? Wow, that will definitely upset a number of people. Are you sure that is what they said? In my opinion, it doesnt make sense to put the alternate model hair on the original models as they look completely different. So, basically, the skeletal revamp will completely change the way the character models look? Hopefully so because some of the original models looked a bit deformed.

08-05-2007, 01:02 PM	#5
Amphibia Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,256	ke'la wrote: One of the side benifits of the model revamp is that Soga Models are going away, and hair and such available in Soga will be merged into the new model, wich is why we saw them add the soga Hairstyles to the Standard Human Male in a resont update. You kidding? But I totally hate the old models.... I think they're ugly, and I would hate for my character to look anything like the original high elf. __________________

08-05-2007, 01:26 PM	#6
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Amphibia wrote: ke'la wrote: One of the side benifits of the model revamp is that Soga Models are going away, and hair and such available in Soga will be merged into the new model, wich is why we saw them add the soga Hairstyles to the Standard Human Male in a resont update. You kidding? But I totally hate the old models.... I think they're ugly, and I would hate for my character to look anything like the original high elf. I honestly hate the soga models, basically all but like one. They look plastic and have really wierd poses and proportions. So I guess its all in someones taste. If they "merge" them by just making the normal ones look more like soga, I'll puke. If they merge them by deleting one in favor of the othre, I'll puke. If they did a nice overhaul of the old bland stuff, and kept or revamped the soga ones, I'd be happy. __________________

08-05-2007, 02:55 PM	#8
Squigglle Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 823	got a link? o want to see prof __________________

08-05-2007, 07:31 AM	#1
Ixalmaris Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 139	For all those who say that SOE never listens etc. here some things which will come with RoK. - new skeletel model system (Not completly done) - a new layer of clothing that will fit over top of your armor so that you can control how you look regardless of how unmatched your armor is. - tintable furniture for rooms (No tintable armor!)

08-05-2007, 12:51 PM	#4
Armawk Server: Everfrost Guild: Nos Es Rutilus Rank: Tirones Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,240	I dont believe for one second they would remove the soga models. Unless they really hate money, and want to receive a lot less of it each month, which seems unlikely.

08-05-2007, 01:47 PM	#7
BarkerGaming Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 22	I think that if they mix the two, nicely so that everyone keeps what they want, but can go either way it'd be very nice I don't like the thought that my half-elf is being viewed as two totally different models.. Kind of strange really.. I'm fine with the originals, but again it's personal preference.

08-05-2007, 03:02 PM	#9
Dragowulf Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California, United States of America Posts: 763	I beleive it. This skeletal revamp will change a lot of characteristics for the player models in the game. I like soga, rather than the normal claymation models. I think that the teams working on the revamp will change the models significantly. Chances are the "new" models will be completely different than what we see in Soga/Normal today...but they will still wield thecharacteristics that you have had in your character from launch. __________________

08-05-2007, 03:15 PM	#10
Guy De Alsace Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,902	If there's an option to switch off soga inspired "features" I would be happy. I wouldnt be happy about forced soga models. In short I dont want an invasion of the plastic people from Mars on my EQ2 copy please! God I hope they dont bring more nightmarish Mara Children in....shudder. Like something out of a horror movie or a game from 1995...

08-05-2007, 03:25 PM	#11
Gomora_Toad Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	I really hope the alternate models aren't just being dropped. I'm fine with a model merge if all of the models' options remain available (facial features and shapes as well as hairstyles). Some of us can only make our characters look right with a certain model type's options (soga/alternate in my case, and I know I'm not the only one). And a hair transplant really isn't enough... when I view my character's original model, I have far more issues with his face than his silly ponytail. Seems backwards to give us spiffy new options to make our character's armor look better, but take away our ability to customize the character itself. __________________ __________________________________

08-05-2007, 03:36 PM	#12
Dragowulf Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California, United States of America Posts: 763	Guy De Alsace wrote: If there's an option to switch off soga inspired "features" I would be happy. I wouldnt be happy about forced soga models. In short I dont want an invasion of the plastic people from Mars on my EQ2 copy please! God I hope they dont bring more nightmarish Mara Children in....shudder. Like something out of a horror movie or a game from 1995... It wont be plastic or claymation models. Check this out "This time, while we didn't entirely throw caution to the wind, we did share quite a bit about things like Guild Housing, Combat Music, the New Map System, New Character Models, and dozens of smaller things."-Found Here The revamp to the skeletal structure will also change the models. like it says above, they will be NEW. Chances are the models will be different in every aspect besid es customization and hair. We will see "NEW CHARACTER MODELS". We all know what new means. drago. __________________

08-05-2007, 03:58 PM	#13
Zarafein Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 471	Need to see at least one of the old models changed to new models(best a human or something near human) to decide if this is great, nice, bad or horrible...

08-05-2007, 04:20 PM	#14
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	It's a good idea. There's really no debate about it. People hate soga (I loathe it), people hate the original models (I don't understand why), what's wrong with making a universal one that hopefully everyone likes? All you silly anime fans need to play something more cartoony :/

08-05-2007, 04:29 PM	#15
Zarafein Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 471	Cocytus wrote: It's a good idea. There's really no debate about it. People hate soga (I loathe it), people hate the original models (I don't understand why), what's wrong with making a universal one that hopefully everyone likes? All you silly anime fans need to play something more cartoony :/ Hopefully is the important part, if you look at some newer race(fae) and npc models quite possible that the new models will loke more like soga than original models.

08-05-2007, 04:38 PM	#16
Dragowulf Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California, United States of America Posts: 763	Cocytus wrote: It's a good idea. There's really no debate about it. People hate soga (I loathe it), people hate the original models (I don't understand why), what's wrong with making a universal one that hopefully everyone likes? All you silly anime fans need to play something more cartoony :/ i like the soga not because it looks "anime", but because it gives me more of a feel than the normal models. Everybody is different. The n ormal models didn't give me the customizeability t hat the soga do have, and vice versa for different people. BTW Sarnak are the only new models done. __________________

08-05-2007, 04:57 PM	#17
sfarugger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 185	From the information I've gathered throughout the Fan Faire, these new character models will allow more dyanmic movement, along with the ability to add in armor and weapons FASTER than it traditionally takes 3 months to develop. So as it's definetely an upgrade to the character models, it has additional internal benefits. Woot, maybe we'll see new /dance emotes!! I've always wanted to do the "Kid n Play" dance. I personally think this is also playing into the ability to wear additional layers of clothing that they've mentioned.

08-05-2007, 04:58 PM	#18
Dragowulf Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California, United States of America Posts: 763	Dardores@Unrest wrote: From the information I've gathered throughout the Fan Faire, these new character models will allow more dyanmic movement, along with the ability to add in armor and weapons FASTER than it traditionally takes 3 months to develop. So as it's definetely an upgrade to the character models, it has additional internal benefits. Woot, maybe we'll see new /dance emotes!! I've always wanted to do the "Kid n Play" dance. I personally think this is also playing into the ability to wear additional layers of clothing that they've mentioned. Yeah we will also probably be seeing some new /mood Yay!!!! and and and some titty bopper armor!!!!! I'm all for whatever they are doing. adrenaline rush drago. __________________

08-05-2007, 05:11 PM	#19
Amphibia Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,256	Cocytus wrote: It's a good idea. There's really no debate about it. People hate soga (I loathe it), people hate the original models (I don't understand why), what's wrong with making a universal one that hopefully everyone likes? All you silly anime fans need to play something more cartoony :/ What right do you have to tell someone with a different taste than your own to go and play another game? lol And of course you don't understand why people like the alternate models, if you hate them. Personally, I don't like the normal models at all.... clayish and ugly are two words that comes immediatly to mind, and the elf models are too short for my taste. And that's just what it all comes down to... personal taste. I really hope they don't screw this up tbh..... __________________

08-05-2007, 05:17 PM	#20
Dragowulf Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California, United States of America Posts: 763	Amphibia wrote: Cocytus wrote: It's a good idea. There's really no debate about it. People hate soga (I loathe it), people hate the original models (I don't understand why), what's wrong with making a universal one that hopefully everyone likes? All you silly anime fans need to play something more cartoony :/ What right do you have to tell someone with a different taste than your own to go and play another game? lol And of course you don't understand why people like the alternate models, if you hate them. Personally, I don't like the normal models at all.... clayish and ugly are two words that comes immediatly to mind, and the elf models are too short for my taste. And that's just what it all comes down to... personal taste. I really hope they don't screw this up tbh..... Agreed. Everyone has a different taste, everybody is different. It's all about personal preferance. Maybe we can get some sexy armor for the ladies. Hopefully it will be more realistic (normal models) and some fantasy (alternate models). __________________

08-05-2007, 06:03 PM	#21
Winter Crazy for Fae! Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 655	The SOGA models are going away, Ke'la? I don't recall them saying that, but I do know that they're merging thing for more customization options. I have hearing loss though, so it is possible I just didn't hear that portion. As far as the second layer of clothing thing goes, that is a good way off. They said they are looking at ways to do it, and so on and so forth. I don't even think that would fit into the "Soon " category. But I do definitely look forward to it. All in all, the expansion looks beautiful. The environments, everything... amazing. My biggest concern with RoK was the new zone size and how laggy they would be. One engineer told me, however, that they have one person specifically working on lag issues, trying to figure everything out and pinpoint it. Awesome, no? __________________

08-05-2007, 06:10 PM	#22
Mirander_1 Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,229	I read somewhere else that the Soga models aren't going away. Rather, the bodies of the two models will be the same (so no more twig legs on soga females), but they'll keep two different head/face styles. That being said, with people talking about the new models having nostrils and such, it sounds like the US models are having their faces changed as part of this revamp (hopefully they'll start looking normal when all this is done). __________________ Mirander 90 Wizard Unrest server

08-06-2007, 05:36 AM	#23
Amphibia Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,256	Mirander_1 wrote: I read somewhere else that the Soga models aren't going away. Rather, the bodies of the two models will be the same (so no more twig legs on soga females), but they'll keep two different head/face styles. That being said, with people talking about the new models having nostrils and such, it sounds like the US models are having their faces changed as part of this revamp (hopefully they'll start looking normal when all this is done). This was good news, I hope it is so. A link would be awesome, but it sounds like you have forgotten where you read it. __________________

08-06-2007, 07:10 AM	#24
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	I was over zelouse when I said they are going away, after reviewing the recording of the answer that was given in the Models forum, what they are doing is adding Soga Options to the New Normal models, so while they will be merged. The first very small piece of that was when they added the soga hairstyles to the Human Males, so basicly there will be no "alternate" apperance, instead everyone will have the new model, however with in that model will be elements of the soga models as well as the revamped new models, yes they humans are getting a new look. I think I may have a pic of it somewhere. ::EDIT:: Unforunatly the pic I got of the new male model did not come out, so I can't show it however it was really cool and had things like real Toes, Real Fingers(even in Plate armor), Belly buttons, and when out of armor he wore underware NOT the refugee pants, and it was said that the girls will also have underware instead of the Torn Dresses, so they can then add more sexy armor and such. __________________

08-06-2007, 10:30 AM	#25
Besual Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 830	ke'la wrote: I was over zelouse when I said they are going away, after reviewing the recording of the answer that was given in the Models forum, what they are doing is adding Soga Options to the New Normal models, so while they will be merged. The first very small piece of that was when they added the soga hairstyles to the Human Males, so basicly there will be no "alternate" apperance, instead everyone will have the new model, however with in that model will be elements of the soga models as well as the revamped new models, yes they humans are getting a new look. I think I may have a pic of it somewhere. ::EDIT:: Unforunatly the pic I got of the new male model did not come out, so I can't show it however it was really cool and had things like real Toes, Real Fingers(even in Plate armor), Belly buttons, and when out of armor he wore underware NOT the refugee pants, and it was said that the girls will also have underware instead of the Torn Dresses, so they can then add more sexy armor and such. Argh, then I have to see the ugly SOGA models? If someone likes to look like anime ... fine. Till now I don't have to endure this torture to my eyes. I just can turn off the SOGA models. If there are no alternate models then I won't have this option any longer __________________ The Nu-Team Defiler 90 / Provisioner 90 Berserker 90 / Jeweler 90 Brigant 90 / Alchemist 90 Coercer 90 / Sage 90

08-06-2007, 10:47 AM	#26
EomerFarst General Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 180	Personally I can't stand SOGA models. The obvious Manga feel they tried to bring to EQ2 is just horrid. SOGA models look awkward and out of proportion. I always thought the original models gave EQ2 a much more grown up and real world feel. If I want to play a cartoon elf with floopy ears I'll re-sub my WoW account. I don't want my woodelf looking like Ken and Ryu from Street Fighter either which SOGA models currently do lol.

08-06-2007, 11:11 AM	#27
Amphibia Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,256	EomerFarstar wrote: Personally I can't stand SOGA models. The obvious Manga feel they tried to bring to EQ2 is just horrid. SOGA models look awkward and out of proportion. I always thought the original models gave EQ2 a much more grown up and real world feel. If I want to play a cartoon elf with floopy ears I'll re-sub my WoW account. I don't want my woodelf looking like Ken and Ryu from Street Fighter either which SOGA models currently do lol. According to what she said, you won't have to. And those of us who like SOGA won't have to go back to the clay-models either, most likely. As for female stick legs and other mis-proportions, I think they might disappear with the skeletal revamp. I'm not a huge fan of anime either, but I don't think the alternate models look very anime-ish. Unlike most Asian cartoon figures, these actually have noses. And they don't have oversized eyes etc.... __________________

08-06-2007, 01:49 PM	#28
Xentin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 69	Amphibia wrote: EomerFarstar wrote: Personally I can't stand SOGA models. The obvious Manga feel they tried to bring to EQ2 is just horrid. SOGA models look awkward and out of proportion. I always thought the original models gave EQ2 a much more grown up and real world feel. If I want to play a cartoon elf with floopy ears I'll re-sub my WoW account. I don't want my woodelf looking like Ken and Ryu from Street Fighter either which SOGA models currently do lol. I'm not a huge fan of anime either, but I don't think the alternate models look very anime-ish. Unlike most Asian cartoon figures, these actually have noses. And they don't have oversized eyes etc.... Not all anime is that way, to me SOGA is very anime and very unproportional to EQ2, they look very out of place imo. Yes it is all personal opinion on these but if they are combining the two that solely means you take the personal opinion out of it, sure ill be able to make my toon along the ways of the current normal models but I will have to see the SOGA people with their SOGA accessories, I dont want to see that crap __________________

08-06-2007, 02:26 PM	#29
Dragowulf Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California, United States of America Posts: 763	Xentin wrote: Amphibia wrote: EomerFarstar wrote: Personally I can't stand SOGA models. The obvious Manga feel they tried to bring to EQ2 is just horrid. SOGA models look awkward and out of proportion. I always thought the original models gave EQ2 a much more grown up and real world feel. If I want to play a cartoon elf with floopy ears I'll re-sub my WoW account. I don't want my woodelf looking like Ken and Ryu from Street Fighter either which SOGA models currently do lol. I'm not a huge fan of anime either, but I don't think the alternate models look very anime-ish. Unlike most Asian cartoon figures, these actually have noses. And they don't have oversized eyes etc.... Not all anime is that way, to me SOGA is very anime and very unproportional to EQ2, they look very out of place imo. Yes it is all personal opinion on these but if they are combining the two that solely means you take the personal opinion out of it, sure ill be able to make my toon along the ways of the current normal models but I will have to see the SOGA people with their SOGA accessories, I dont want to see that crap That is what they want their character to look like anyways. You wouldn't want someone to say that they don't want to see your normal model hair/accessories? Everyone has their own preferances and it is not your place to tell someone what they want to make their character look like. If you don't w ant to see it, simply do not look at it. Either w ay, it will be really different, so until you see the final product- don't whine. drago. __________________

08-06-2007, 02:40 PM	#30
Catseyes Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 223	"Everyone has their own preferances and it is not your place to tell someone what they want to make their character look like. If you don't w ant to see it, simply do not look at it. " Seems that could apply to you either ? Why we should close our eyes if we dont like Soga models ? It's your right to turn soga on and play with, but it's ours to turn off and play without. I dont like soga , it's a personal taste, i dont want to be FORCED to see them. Should be a choice like it was until there. I pray for that SoE will continue to let ppl freely choose how to play, that would be else to force ppl with race/classes combos. Freedom in EQ2 and the diversity it brings is our strengh,let's continue that way plz.