Just a poll on AA choices...

Kain3 · 07-30-2007, 02:43 PM

I see many debates and opinions about what AA choices are best (and I'm sure there's no true concensus).

I'm curious about what wins out.

So, if you would, just state which 2 Sorcerer lines and which 2 Warlock lines you went down.

Not to be rude, but I'm not looking for reasons or explanations, just what you have. Thanks.

Personally, I went down AGI, and WIS in sorcerer; and Hastenings and Explosive in Warlock.

Edit: I thought if there's enough response, I'll add it all up and see what wins out.

miliskel · 07-30-2007, 02:50 PM

int wis hastenings props...u adding 1 point each time they are mentioned or something?

Bingeaux · 07-30-2007, 03:20 PM

Currently STR / AGI, Hastenings, Explosives

But that may change.

Ruut Li · 07-30-2007, 05:23 PM

agi, wis

hastenings, props

Aranieq · 07-30-2007, 05:41 PM

AGI / STR Props / Explosive

DjVacant · 07-30-2007, 07:55 PM

AGI/INT

Hastenings/Explosions (and 5pts to pump up our poison/disease mit debuff)

knightofround · 07-31-2007, 03:37 AM

AGI/INT Props and Aftershocks, with all the extra points maxing out E: Distortion.

Spag · 07-31-2007, 01:26 PM

AGI Wis Hastenings Explosives + 8pts in magi shielding

Dasein-07 · 07-31-2007, 03:39 PM

Int for deagro and Sta for PVP. Hastenings for PVP and Explosives since I don't have enuf proc gear for Propagation

Wildmage · 07-31-2007, 03:41 PM

I think raiding warlocks might want to consider Vacuous now that its been buffed up a bit.

Agaxiq · 07-31-2007, 03:52 PM

Well oddly I get put into the MT group from time to time with an amends from our Pally who is usually MT for raids - and then Vacuous would be useful. Otherwise, buffing up nullification 25% etc doesn't really help much IMO - since its only groupwide. Still, its a small bit of utility that would help a caster group. At least it only requires 15 points in protection, and protection itself is a pseudo-INT line - but its a decent amount of dps to sacrifice. Propagations is more and more attractive now though, but if they dont fix Rift damage increase soon I'll probably move away from Explosives since Rift is not a huge part of my dps since it is so dangerous. Yeah in fluff zones like labs, sure, but I dont use it much in the tougher ones. agressiv

Araxes · 07-31-2007, 08:35 PM

I initially spec'd AGI and INT. I then spec'd to AGI and STR. I think that is the strongest combination, so far. INT is problematic because they have made CB into an AoE and that does in fact aggro other mobs within a huge range (35 meters). So it's lost its purpose, as far as I can see. If they reduced the range I would definitely keep the line. Even a 16% automatic decrease in all hate gained is not enough to make this line worth going down, as it still makes little difference in how quickly I gain aggro. If you want the glass cannon build and plan to do little aside from raiding, you could spec AGI and WIS. But I'd rather the faster cast times than the extra base damage (which was reduced in LU36, anyhow). So I'd still advise going AGI instead of WIS. I'll see if they address the issue of the range of CB, and if they do make it more viable (say 5 or 10 meters rather than 35), I will probably go back to the INT line -- but for now, AGI and STR. As for the class lines. Any question here? Hastenings and Explosives, of course.

knightofround · 08-01-2007, 04:01 AM

Araxes, The way that raid zones are designed, it is rare that CB (a 15m spell) will aggro any nearby mobs. Rooms are almost always big enough that you don't have to worry about it. I can't think of a single KoS zone that the 15m would be a problem; the only EoF raid that I've been to is FTH, and its only a "maybe-problem" on one or two pulls. Especially with the changes to scout aggro xfer, I couldn't imagine surviving most multimob encounters going full blast without CB. Where CB IS a problem is single-group dungeons, which are not designed with big open spaces for raids to maneuver. I've had loads of problems aggroing through walls in MMCats, CM, Unrest, and Niz. Not so much with OoB, CoV, HoF, Den, Vaults, and Nest.

Mastire · 08-01-2007, 10:19 AM

I'm Agi / Int , Prop/Hastings Atm

If I do get brave and think I can afford to lose the deagro I'll switch back to AGI/Wis, While strength may provide mroe DPS, the entra power from the wis lne makes it a much more usefull AA line.

As for the warlock line I don't see another option out there.

Niun01 · 08-01-2007, 10:25 AM

Agility / wisdom all the way down to the bottom of each line... tried the others and always respec back to this build. (just repseced out of strength and back to Wisdom for a second time last night) Seems to give me the most dps in my current raid setup. Warlock line Haste / Prop.

miliskel · 08-01-2007, 11:36 AM

Wildmage wrote:

I think raiding warlocks might want to consider Vacuous now that its been buffed up a bit.

int line can be turned into a dps line. vacuos cant therefore no raiding warlock will choose it - especially instead of propogation or focused casting.

Obviousman · 08-02-2007, 05:42 PM

I know I'm a distant minority, but I mainly solo and I've always wanted a few tricks in case something goes awry.

I've gone completely down the Stamina line for the KoS Tree (Manashield-It's not just for PvP anymore as it has saved my butt on numerous occasions) and am just starting the Intelligence Tree (I only started gaining APs at level 50, so I only have 67 points as of now).

In the EoF tree, I have the final abilities on Vacous and Hastenings (with a max Magi's Shielding Ward to boot).

miliskel · 08-03-2007, 07:25 AM

because u dont always raid and like to solo doesnt make u a minority lol

Bingeaux · 08-03-2007, 09:36 AM

People say such things as:

>>>I chose Hastenings for PVP and Explosives since I don't have enuf proc gear for Propagation

Does or does not Propagation effect gear procs? The spell description claims no (or am I misunderstanding it?) Or does it claim not to work but does anyway (in which case they will probably "fix" it at some point)?

Thanks for your input.

Araxes · 08-04-2007, 02:53 PM

knightofround, Did they change the range of CB? Last I looked it was 35 meters, post LU37. Which is still a bit close for comfort even in larger raid areas. In any case, the fact that it is a PBAoE, either way, in dungeon groups, keeps it impractical. EDIT - k so final answer, I went back and checked. Effect Radius is 15 meters. But the range is up to 35 meters. AND .. this is actually requiring a mob to be targeted, I tried it out in a group last night, again ... so it's based off of a fixed point, not off of where you are standing. Which makes it even MORE dangerous to use, LOL.

07-30-2007, 05:41 PM	#5
Aranieq EQ2BM Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: EST (Boston Area) Posts: 590	AGI / STR Props / Explosive __________________

07-31-2007, 03:41 PM	#10
Wildmage Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 841	I think raiding warlocks might want to consider Vacuous now that its been buffed up a bit. __________________ Anurman/Malbi/Metronome/Hydrake/Guttspawn/Perihelion/Cogwise/Popojingles Najena Server Tranquil Waters Guild

07-31-2007, 08:35 PM	#12
Araxes Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 992	I initially spec'd AGI and INT. I then spec'd to AGI and STR. I think that is the strongest combination, so far. INT is problematic because they have made CB into an AoE and that does in fact aggro other mobs within a huge range (35 meters). So it's lost its purpose, as far as I can see. If they reduced the range I would definitely keep the line. Even a 16% automatic decrease in all hate gained is not enough to make this line worth going down, as it still makes little difference in how quickly I gain aggro. If you want the glass cannon build and plan to do little aside from raiding, you could spec AGI and WIS. But I'd rather the faster cast times than the extra base damage (which was reduced in LU36, anyhow). So I'd still advise going AGI instead of WIS. I'll see if they address the issue of the range of CB, and if they do make it more viable (say 5 or 10 meters rather than 35), I will probably go back to the INT line -- but for now, AGI and STR. As for the class lines. Any question here? Hastenings and Explosives, of course. __________________

08-01-2007, 10:25 AM	#15
Niun01 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 113	Agility / wisdom all the way down to the bottom of each line... tried the others and always respec back to this build. (just repseced out of strength and back to Wisdom for a second time last night) Seems to give me the most dps in my current raid setup. Warlock line Haste / Prop. __________________

08-01-2007, 11:36 AM	#16
miliskel Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 432	Wildmage wrote: I think raiding warlocks might want to consider Vacuous now that its been buffed up a bit. int line can be turned into a dps line. vacuos cant therefore no raiding warlock will choose it - especially instead of propogation or focused casting.

07-30-2007, 02:43 PM	#1
Kain3 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 16	I see many debates and opinions about what AA choices are best (and I'm sure there's no true concensus). I'm curious about what wins out. So, if you would, just state which 2 Sorcerer lines and which 2 Warlock lines you went down. Not to be rude, but I'm not looking for reasons or explanations, just what you have. Thanks. Personally, I went down AGI, and WIS in sorcerer; and Hastenings and Explosive in Warlock. Edit: I thought if there's enough response, I'll add it all up and see what wins out.

07-30-2007, 02:50 PM	#2
miliskel Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 432	int wis hastenings props...u adding 1 point each time they are mentioned or something?

07-30-2007, 03:20 PM	#3
Bingeaux Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	Currently STR / AGI, Hastenings, Explosives But that may change.

07-30-2007, 05:23 PM	#4
Ruut Li Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 561	agi, wis hastenings, props

07-30-2007, 07:55 PM	#6
DjVacant Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 65	AGI/INT Hastenings/Explosions (and 5pts to pump up our poison/disease mit debuff)

07-31-2007, 03:37 AM	#7
knightofround Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 289	AGI/INT Props and Aftershocks, with all the extra points maxing out E: Distortion.

07-31-2007, 01:26 PM	#8
Spag Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 312	AGI Wis Hastenings Explosives + 8pts in magi shielding

07-31-2007, 03:39 PM	#9
Dasein-07 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15	Int for deagro and Sta for PVP. Hastenings for PVP and Explosives since I don't have enuf proc gear for Propagation

07-31-2007, 03:52 PM	#11
Agaxiq Server: Unrest Guild: Ascendant Rank: Alts Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 552	Well oddly I get put into the MT group from time to time with an amends from our Pally who is usually MT for raids - and then Vacuous would be useful. Otherwise, buffing up nullification 25% etc doesn't really help much IMO - since its only groupwide. Still, its a small bit of utility that would help a caster group. At least it only requires 15 points in protection, and protection itself is a pseudo-INT line - but its a decent amount of dps to sacrifice. Propagations is more and more attractive now though, but if they dont fix Rift damage increase soon I'll probably move away from Explosives since Rift is not a huge part of my dps since it is so dangerous. Yeah in fluff zones like labs, sure, but I dont use it much in the tougher ones. agressiv

08-01-2007, 04:01 AM	#13
knightofround Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 289	Araxes, The way that raid zones are designed, it is rare that CB (a 15m spell) will aggro any nearby mobs. Rooms are almost always big enough that you don't have to worry about it. I can't think of a single KoS zone that the 15m would be a problem; the only EoF raid that I've been to is FTH, and its only a "maybe-problem" on one or two pulls. Especially with the changes to scout aggro xfer, I couldn't imagine surviving most multimob encounters going full blast without CB. Where CB IS a problem is single-group dungeons, which are not designed with big open spaces for raids to maneuver. I've had loads of problems aggroing through walls in MMCats, CM, Unrest, and Niz. Not so much with OoB, CoV, HoF, Den, Vaults, and Nest.

08-01-2007, 10:19 AM	#14
Mastire Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 278	I'm Agi / Int , Prop/Hastings Atm If I do get brave and think I can afford to lose the deagro I'll switch back to AGI/Wis, While strength may provide mroe DPS, the entra power from the wis lne makes it a much more usefull AA line. As for the warlock line I don't see another option out there.

08-02-2007, 05:42 PM	#17
Obviousman Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 29	I know I'm a distant minority, but I mainly solo and I've always wanted a few tricks in case something goes awry. I've gone completely down the Stamina line for the KoS Tree (Manashield-It's not just for PvP anymore as it has saved my butt on numerous occasions) and am just starting the Intelligence Tree (I only started gaining APs at level 50, so I only have 67 points as of now). In the EoF tree, I have the final abilities on Vacous and Hastenings (with a max Magi's Shielding Ward to boot). __________________ Battlemage Gilph, of the Legion of Light-Permafrost "Ah, now that I have myself properly gear and AA-specced, I'm fully prepared to the best warlocktank I can be!" "But how are you going to manage aggro?" `-`

08-03-2007, 07:25 AM	#18
miliskel Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 432	because u dont always raid and like to solo doesnt make u a minority lol

08-03-2007, 09:36 AM	#19
Bingeaux Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	People say such things as: >>>I chose Hastenings for PVP and Explosives since I don't have enuf proc gear for Propagation Does or does not Propagation effect gear procs? The spell description claims no (or am I misunderstanding it?) Or does it claim not to work but does anyway (in which case they will probably "fix" it at some point)? Thanks for your input.

08-04-2007, 02:53 PM	#20
Araxes Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 992	knightofround, Did they change the range of CB? Last I looked it was 35 meters, post LU37. Which is still a bit close for comfort even in larger raid areas. In any case, the fact that it is a PBAoE, either way, in dungeon groups, keeps it impractical. EDIT - k so final answer, I went back and checked. Effect Radius is 15 meters. But the range is up to 35 meters. AND .. this is actually requiring a mob to be targeted, I tried it out in a group last night, again ... so it's based off of a fixed point, not off of where you are standing. Which makes it even MORE dangerous to use, LOL. __________________