Quick fighter class question

darknessfalls · 07-27-2007, 02:26 AM

Hey guys recently Ive been playing all the fighter types: Paladin, SK, Berserker, Guardian, etc, and I can't seem to agree on one I like, I know you go through posts like this all the time, but I have tried the classes out and need a little bit of expert advice. I have no problem tanking, its fun, but I really want to be able to solo well when Im not in a group. So, I was trying to find which class solo's best, and to solo that well, which AA lines should I choose for that class? I really greatly appreciate any help you guys can give me SMILEY

StoneySilen · 07-27-2007, 03:00 AM

SK/Bruiser/Monk's probably solo the best. Paladin's solo well too because they have heals but it takes forever to kill anything because their dps is so low, so not recommended. Berserker and Guardians are more group oriented tanks. But Berserkers solo pretty good too. Guardians do alright but again take awhile like Pallies to kill things. I have a 30 Guard and most of it was solo. For more detailed info on AA and stuff ask in the specific class forums.

Norrsken · 07-27-2007, 06:09 AM

Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote:

SK/Bruiser/Monk's probably solo the best. Paladin's solo well too because they have heals but it takes forever to kill anything because their dps is so low, so not recommended. Berserker and Guardians are more group oriented tanks. But Berserkers solo pretty good too. Guardians do alright but again take awhile like Pallies to kill things. I have a 30 Guard and most of it was solo. For more detailed info on AA and stuff ask in the specific class forums.

pallies can bringt heir dps up a bit with aas, so they arent as horribly slow as they used to be.

Crib92 · 07-27-2007, 10:17 AM

Trust me on this, I've been a Pally since launch. Don't roll a Pally if you want to solo.

SK/Bruiser/Monk are the best at soloing.

Gralthak · 07-27-2007, 11:18 AM

Shadowknights, bruisers, and monks (as stated) are the best for soloing for the most part. Berserkers, however, are excellent when it comes to chopping through crowds of weaker mobs due to the large amount of AOE and counter attack based skills they get. They are generally less effective against single strong mobs but handle crowds very well. Berserkers are also probably the best of the four as far as being a tank for a group.

Norrsken · 07-27-2007, 11:41 AM

Gralthak@Permafrost wrote:

Shadowknights, bruisers, and monks (as stated) are the best for soloing for the most part. Berserkers, however, are excellent when it comes to chopping through crowds of weaker mobs due to the large amount of AOE and counter attack based skills they get. They are generally less effective against single strong mobs but handle crowds very well. Berserkers are also probably the best of the four as far as being a tank for a group.

As it happens, that is also the sks strong point. 8 mobs around them tend to be the perfect fight. SMILEY

Gralthak · 07-27-2007, 12:04 PM

Oh shadowknights definitely can do some AOE damage, but I don't think it's on par with the berserker. But they are most assuredly way ahead of the brawlers and guardians.

Norrsken · 07-27-2007, 12:08 PM

Gralthak@Permafrost wrote:

Oh shadowknights definitely can do some AOE damage, but I don't think it's on par with the berserker. But they are most assuredly way ahead of the brawlers and guardians.

Dunno about the dps of a berzerker, but with 8 mobs around them, sks get a full heal. SMILEY

6 mobs is actually enough, but the 2 extra are nice with reaver anyways. SMILEY

sks only have 5 aes, one being a crappu lvl 35 one. SMILEY

So I wouldnt doubt zerkers being capable of outdpsing us on ae fights, especially since I have no idea of your ae capability. SMILEY

We can heal very well under multimob fights though, which makes them warm our hearts. SMILEY

Gralthak · 07-27-2007, 12:15 PM

Off the top of my head:

Stance that has a 20% chance to counter any hit, does damage and threat
Offensive stance procs an AOE
Rampage turns all attacks AOE for 10 swings
Open wounds turns attacks AOE for like 30 sec
Assault is a cone AOE combat art
Slaughter is a circular AOE combat art
Shout is an encounter based AOE
Weapon Shield is a combat art that auto counter attacks
Wall of Fury/Rage is an AOE snare
Agility AA line adds an AOE proc to auto attacks
Stamina AA line gives an automatic counter with buckler

But healing wise you've definitely got us beat. My only combat heal is Vision of Madness which only works once an hour and requires me to die for it go off SMILEY

Norrsken · 07-27-2007, 12:18 PM

Gralthak@Permafrost wrote:

Off the top of my head:
Stance that has a 20% chance to counter any hit, does damage and threat
Offensive stance procs an AOE
Rampage turns all attacks AOE for 10 swings
Open wounds turns attacks AOE for like 30 sec
Assault is a cone AOE combat art
Slaughter is a circular AOE combat art
Shout is an encounter based AOE
Weapon Shield is a combat art that auto counter attacks
Wall of Fury/Rage is an AOE snare
Agility AA line adds an AOE proc to auto attacks
Stamina AA line gives an automatic counter with buckler
But healing wise you've definitely got us beat. My only combat heal is Vision of Madness which only works once an hour and requires me to die for it go off

Cool quite a bit more than your normal sk. We only get a damage shield/taunt and our blessing (reactive lifetap), and some stuff in the agi line which gives us conical AEs on autoattacks apart from the 5 straight aes. SMILEY

So you should have us beat.

07-27-2007, 03:00 AM	#2
StoneySilen General Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 883	SK/Bruiser/Monk's probably solo the best. Paladin's solo well too because they have heals but it takes forever to kill anything because their dps is so low, so not recommended. Berserker and Guardians are more group oriented tanks. But Berserkers solo pretty good too. Guardians do alright but again take awhile like Pallies to kill things. I have a 30 Guard and most of it was solo. For more detailed info on AA and stuff ask in the specific class forums. __________________

07-27-2007, 06:09 AM	#3
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: SK/Bruiser/Monk's probably solo the best. Paladin's solo well too because they have heals but it takes forever to kill anything because their dps is so low, so not recommended. Berserker and Guardians are more group oriented tanks. But Berserkers solo pretty good too. Guardians do alright but again take awhile like Pallies to kill things. I have a 30 Guard and most of it was solo. For more detailed info on AA and stuff ask in the specific class forums. pallies can bringt heir dps up a bit with aas, so they arent as horribly slow as they used to be. __________________

07-27-2007, 11:41 AM	#6
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Gralthak@Permafrost wrote: Shadowknights, bruisers, and monks (as stated) are the best for soloing for the most part. Berserkers, however, are excellent when it comes to chopping through crowds of weaker mobs due to the large amount of AOE and counter attack based skills they get. They are generally less effective against single strong mobs but handle crowds very well. Berserkers are also probably the best of the four as far as being a tank for a group. As it happens, that is also the sks strong point. 8 mobs around them tend to be the perfect fight. __________________

07-27-2007, 12:08 PM	#8
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Gralthak@Permafrost wrote: Oh shadowknights definitely can do some AOE damage, but I don't think it's on par with the berserker. But they are most assuredly way ahead of the brawlers and guardians. Dunno about the dps of a berzerker, but with 8 mobs around them, sks get a full heal. 6 mobs is actually enough, but the 2 extra are nice with reaver anyways. sks only have 5 aes, one being a crappu lvl 35 one. So I wouldnt doubt zerkers being capable of outdpsing us on ae fights, especially since I have no idea of your ae capability. We can heal very well under multimob fights though, which makes them warm our hearts. __________________

07-27-2007, 12:15 PM	#9
Gralthak Server: Permafrost Guild: Without Remorse Rank: Cocktail Waiter Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 86	Off the top of my head: Stance that has a 20% chance to counter any hit, does damage and threat Offensive stance procs an AOE Rampage turns all attacks AOE for 10 swings Open wounds turns attacks AOE for like 30 sec Assault is a cone AOE combat art Slaughter is a circular AOE combat art Shout is an encounter based AOE Weapon Shield is a combat art that auto counter attacks Wall of Fury/Rage is an AOE snare Agility AA line adds an AOE proc to auto attacks Stamina AA line gives an automatic counter with buckler But healing wise you've definitely got us beat. My only combat heal is Vision of Madness which only works once an hour and requires me to die for it go off

07-27-2007, 02:26 AM	#1
darknessfalls General Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 10	Hey guys recently Ive been playing all the fighter types: Paladin, SK, Berserker, Guardian, etc, and I can't seem to agree on one I like, I know you go through posts like this all the time, but I have tried the classes out and need a little bit of expert advice. I have no problem tanking, its fun, but I really want to be able to solo well when Im not in a group. So, I was trying to find which class solo's best, and to solo that well, which AA lines should I choose for that class? I really greatly appreciate any help you guys can give me

07-27-2007, 10:17 AM	#4
Crib92 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Here nor there Posts: 320	Trust me on this, I've been a Pally since launch. Don't roll a Pally if you want to solo. SK/Bruiser/Monk are the best at soloing.

07-27-2007, 11:18 AM	#5
Gralthak Server: Permafrost Guild: Without Remorse Rank: Cocktail Waiter Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 86	Shadowknights, bruisers, and monks (as stated) are the best for soloing for the most part. Berserkers, however, are excellent when it comes to chopping through crowds of weaker mobs due to the large amount of AOE and counter attack based skills they get. They are generally less effective against single strong mobs but handle crowds very well. Berserkers are also probably the best of the four as far as being a tank for a group.

07-27-2007, 12:04 PM	#7
Gralthak Server: Permafrost Guild: Without Remorse Rank: Cocktail Waiter Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 86	Oh shadowknights definitely can do some AOE damage, but I don't think it's on par with the berserker. But they are most assuredly way ahead of the brawlers and guardians.

07-27-2007, 12:18 PM	#10
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	Gralthak@Permafrost wrote: Off the top of my head: Stance that has a 20% chance to counter any hit, does damage and threat Offensive stance procs an AOE Rampage turns all attacks AOE for 10 swings Open wounds turns attacks AOE for like 30 sec Assault is a cone AOE combat art Slaughter is a circular AOE combat art Shout is an encounter based AOE Weapon Shield is a combat art that auto counter attacks Wall of Fury/Rage is an AOE snare Agility AA line adds an AOE proc to auto attacks Stamina AA line gives an automatic counter with buckler But healing wise you've definitely got us beat. My only combat heal is Vision of Madness which only works once an hour and requires me to die for it go off Cool quite a bit more than your normal sk. We only get a damage shield/taunt and our blessing (reactive lifetap), and some stuff in the agi line which gives us conical AEs on autoattacks apart from the 5 straight aes. So you should have us beat. __________________