High Parses?

[Agaxiq]

So I finally got my Warlock near cap - Level 69.  We had a DT raid last night, figured it would be a good starter raid and we had a few open spots.  I was late since I had a double-header softball game before it. Some background: All Mastered up to 69 except Null Caress (AD1), Dark Infestation (AD3).  My chaostorm version at 56 and Devastation were not mastered either, as well as the curse, but those masters are all waiting for me at 70 Decent starter gear - Grizzfazzle, BCG, Invoker Earring, and all +14 INT adornments I could get, plus the de-agro on Grizzfazzle.   A few grey armor pieces (e.g. Jboots) because I haven't gotten many legendary set drops yet.   Int self-buffed was around 530 or so. As expected, I got put into the "left over" group - we're a large casual guild, so we get a wide variety of players in each raid.  The raid leaders try to optimize them as much as possible, but ultimately it will rarely be ideal.  So, my INT remained at whatever I could get it to. The only highlight of this leftover group was a guardian and him being able to toss a moderate on me.  Our caster group had 2 warlocks (one level 70, one level 69) and 2 wizards (both level 70), along with a troub and a fury. I still outparsed all 4 casters on the fights I was in (even being level 69 and missing apocalypse), even though at least 6-9% of their dps was just from troub procs, not to mention their +crit bonus they got + the increased casting speed etc. My zone average was about 1015, but I died a bunch of times due to Rift.  On most parses I was around 1200-1600 or so. I was 3rd on the parse, behind an assassin and ranger, which were 1.9k and 2.0k.  (FYI the rangers autoattack alone was 950dps - and thats not counting procs or poisons) - Man that sucks, I'd love to get 900+dps from just hitting one button. So, for those of you who can do 2.5k+ zonewide - how do you do it?  From what I gathered, I was missing: *  Troub *  Synergism (Illy only had it on himself, and he said all other conc was filled, gotta change his trains of thought ) *  Coercer HL (no coercers on raid) *  INT buff from some other caster or Fury VIM since we dont have one *  More proc items other than the ones I listed above. *  More high INT gear / +crit gear (workin on it) I'm pretty confident on my spell casting order, I was way more efficient than any other caster which is why I won the caster parse even at level 69.  Once I hit 70 it should make a big difference. I'm curious to see a breakdown of a zonewide parse of a high-end Warlock so I know what I can look forward to, even if I never reach it. Can someone post their zonewide details?  I'd love to see an example of one.  Please post your INT at the time with buffs as well as your spell crit and what lines you went down.  I know some people like to keep their secrets but it will only help other aspiring warlocks earn more respect agressiv FYI here was my zonewide parse, including encounters with deaths.  (DPS was 1143 when I didnt die, gotta figure out how to exclude individual fights from zone parses) EDIT: blah will have to fix parse after lunch, didnt paste properly.

[Windowlicker]

If you have all of your spells upgraded to Master, why have you not been able to afford some mastercrafted boots to replace those Jboots?

Imho, you need to really get that gear upgraded if anything your wearing is grey.

[Korpo]

You're going to have a hard time comparing the numbers of a 69 warlock in a less than ideal group with grey gear with the numbers of a 70 warlock in a perfect group with fabled gear and procs in every slot, even before you get into AAs and such; it's like comparing apples to pants.

[Agaxiq]

Ahh just waiting to get the boots from OOB and the bracers from CoV.   The bracers I have now are treasured, but does have like +22 int or something, which is good enough for now.  I also have the fabled warlock hat waiting for me at 70, as well as the cloak of unrest. I also have: Xhaviz Gown + the +6 stat adornment vaults helm hooluk breaches legendary set shoulders from MMC decent gloves from SOS (the legendary ones with +17 int and FT3)   07/11/2007 12:41:28     Subject: Re:High Parses?

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You're going to have a hard time comparing the numbers of a 69 warlock in a less than ideal group with grey gear with the numbers of a 70 warlock in a perfect group with fabled gear and procs in every slot, even before you get into AAs and such; it's like comparing apples to pants. Like I said, I'd just love to see a parse for someone who can hit 2.5k and what their stats were - just something to verify if I'm doing the right thing in other places.  Having upgraded the jboots wouldnt have made a hell of a difference with an added ~18 INT.  Seeing the parse I could say, "ok, 25% of their dps is coming from procs", "wow, with 1000 INT my spells do this much damage etc" Heck, I'd love to see a top end warlock parse in a bad group just to get the worst case scenario. agressiv

[Deathspell]

Agaxiq@Unrest wrote:

Ahh just waiting to get the boots from OOB and the bracers from CoV.   Having upgraded the jboots wouldnt have made a hell of a difference with an added ~18 INT. agressiv

LOL.

[DjVacant]

This post doesn't have much chance at giving you what you want.  The only way you're going to see how well you're doing compared to an uber geared warlock is if that warlock would replace you IN THE EXACT GROUP YOU'RE RAIDING IN.  There are far too many variables in a raid to compare one single guy to another...just be happy that you parsed well against those you were raiding against.  From what you described, however, I'd say it has more to do with them sucking than it does from you rocking.  Warlocks get a few HUGE upgrades at 70...kudos to you for figuring out your best casting order...that's a huge part of it all, but if I were one of those other casters (and got outparsed by you even though you didn't have benefit of good buffs) I'd kill myself...

[Hellswrath]

Was the MT in the raid having issues holding aggro?  That is the only reason I could see for the other casters not breaking 1K.  The real difference might have been you having the guard's moderate.

In answer to the purpose of your post, I have to agree with DjVacant that it will greatly depend on the buffs you are getting and the group setup, as well as the raid setup.  However, a great deal of the 2.5K zonewide you are hearing about is due to lots of proc gear combined with the propagations line.

[Malice83]

In mainly treasured mentoring down to 50 I do around 950 dps with my warlock just using my dots, big single target nuke and devastation. Most spells are mastered though but not all, deva was ad 3 for example. My solo int was around 420 back then, this was about 2 months ago. The Shadowknight I was mentoring had mostly adept 3's and mastercrafted gear and had no problems holding aggro and doing around 6-700 dps. It was mainly solo mob fights though which kind of gimped us both dps wise. My point, debuff and use your dots... more dots.. even more dots!!! Back when I used to raid (ages ago in DoF) I could do around 3k dps easy on multimob fights just using my debuff and 3 encounter AOE's, with some self pacing of course. Back then we had a Zerker tank with a dirge and illu in his group to givce the healers power, I got a troub for hate reduction. That's pretty much it. Not to mention other nice ways to increase dps, the silly little buff that nukes the encounter a little when you nuke them does quite a lot I've discovered recently. The ancient teachings from dof helps too, forgot it's name though. Needless to say I have never had any problems doing dps, the only issue I have ever had is aggro.

[Agaxiq]

Thanks guys - MT was holding agro well.  When I died from rift it was my fault, I casted it too early.  Fitzpizle killed me even when I wasn't unloading but that is a strange fight so I chalked it up to the MT being stunned probably, or something to that effect. And like I said, I "try" to be as efficient as I can.  I scour the boards for tips on what people do etc - my point of seeing a parse is: 1) To see the damage range of spells (providing I can tell what their INT is) 2) What are the % of hits per spell (what spells do they cast, and how often) 3) How much damage is from procs (both personal procs on items or from other classes) I wasn't trying to compare my group setup to anyone elses - the parse will hint at what their group setup is because you can pick off many of the benefits (aside from casting time or reuse time modifiers etc) Remember, we are not hardcore in even the slightest sense.  We do not have a consistent raid force in any way.  If there are people who don't play their class efficiently, it wouldn't surprise me too much.  Do I care?  Not really.  If I wanted hard core I would have joined a hard core guild, or at least something in between.  I'm just happy that we can take on all KoS content and we can take on *some* EOF content.  We have some people that definitely could fit into a hardcore guild if they wanted, but they like not being forced to raid every time, not having too much drama etc - My character is still a newbie when it comes to raiding, but I wanted to be at least somewhat prepared going in.  Yes, I had a pair of grey boots with +15 INT, but now I have my class boots from OOB, which are good enough for the time being. For me, I just love seeing stats.  I'd love to see detailed parses of top-end guilds (not just zone dps summary, but the whole log file so I can import it into ACT) - just to get a glimpse of the other side of the coin.  Seeing top-end warlocks parse would only help me be a better player, in my opinion. Hopefully you guys can understand where I am coming from.  Group setup is everything, of course, as well as talent of the player, talent of the raid, gear/spells of the player etc - all I'm saying is "I'd love to see a parse of the best" - just to be able to dissect the stats. agressiv

[Foosa]

  something else to consider, raid zw dps takes alot into consideration also. warlocks are not gona be able to pull zonewide 2.5k+ in a raid thats only doing 10-15k zonewide dps . And i wholeheartedy agree with the last posters, keeping your dots up, and only recasting them just as they beginning to fall is a major+ to your dps.

[knightofround]

I would like to see some ZW parses as well, with indications of who else was in the group and what major buffs they had. I've been using this site alot, and it seems to have done me a lot of good so far: http://www.southernairinc.com/Arani...ck%20Spells.htm

[Phineus]

 Im missing 3 masters and my last trip to loa I did 2k zw with the raids zw being 20k. Ive watched a few parses in the easier farm zones in kos and I seem to do about 10% of the raids dps in each zone(warlock is only for fun Illus is my serious raider). I am usually blessed with a pally and buy him a couple repair kits after the raid to make up for the deaths he takes. I very rarely have gotten to group with a trouby. Ive since changes phins spec to a more pvp oriented spec and havent had a chance to see how he does now. Im sure a troub would more than make up for the change in aa's and I would still net about 10% of the zonewide dps. We have acquired a second dirge and two troubs recently so we will see how it goes.

[Agaxiq]

Well I finally hit 70 last night after my first POI ding in HoS and had respec'ed to STR/AGI before the fight began.  (I was at 98.6% zoning in) INT was 667 with a coercer group buff.  Had moderate + HL, no troub or illy.  Never pulled agro, but HOS for the most part is single target.  Again, our ranger and assassin topped the parse around 2k or so.  It got late and we called it after our first unsuccessful pull of Venekor. We had a pair of necros lifeburning every chance they could get (and are fairly decked out gear-wise, better than me).  I managed to beat one of them, but the other edged me out by about 30 dps.  I easily beat the 3 other sorcerers on the raid.  Zonewide was about 1215, but we wiped a bunch of times to knockbacks getting adds etc.  On successful fights my dps was anywhere from 1300-1800, and on the few multimobs it was around 2200-2500.  Raid average was 14720, but that was with the wipes as well.  On most fights our average was around 18000-19500. The brigand dispatch made a ton of a difference (Dispatch --> Cat --> Apoc was landing for about 2500-3k a tick) My DoTs were up all the time, I used Focus'ed Casting whenever I could, Netheros Realm, Corrupt Gift etc - Rift whenever I could (relatively safe zone to use Rift in).  Just not sure what else I can do - again I'd love to see someone's alt top 2k in a zone parse without a troub.  Not saying I don't believe it, but would just love to see what else I could do.  Maybe loa (Lycaem I'm assuming) has more multi-mob encounters, been a while since I was there and I wasn't a warlock so I didn't pay attention. agressiv  

[Phineus]

 Loa has lots of multi mob encounters and they are mostly consisting of low hp x2s or 3s I dont remember which. You can hit crazy dps on those like 4k with your dps I bet. Much easier zone than hos so wont be many wipes you can get a real look at your zw. I ld on a couple mobs and went afk in the beginning for a few pulls and still came in #1 on the parse by a large margin even with no troub. The zone loves warlocks. I can hit up to 3500 in labs but with great raid dps Im thinking 4500 or 5000 is possible in loa.

[Groma]

From the looks of it, you are pushing about 10% of your raid's total parse, which is a good number to shoot for.  If you can consistently keep that going without the aide of a trouby or illusionist, all you need to do now is work on your proc gear and fine tuning your casting order.

[miliskel]

loa is easy to parse high on lol. with my spec: 7  mob encounter cast corrupt gift and netherous realm, apocaylpse ,chaostorm, rift(get that in there when the mobs aernt dead) negative absolution, concussive blast, chaostorm ,nebula(nebula does do alot of damage when theres 7 mobs )

[Windowlicker]

If it helps, I run a fairly big casual raiding guild with some friends.  Our raidforce will generally parse between 15k and 19k depending who shows up for the raid.

Out of that, I generally tear off around 2k dps on most pulls.

Labs Zonewide Average: About 1300 to 1600 dps

LoA Zonewide Average: About 1600 to 2k dps

Keeping in mind of course, if I'm running the raid my DPS will suffer.  Also, who ends up in your group has a gigantic effect on your bottom line.  Hell, even missing a Brigand can hurt your DPS.

In a correctly setup raid run by a raiding guild, my numbers would be much much higher.

[Agaxiq]

Yeah we ran Lycaeum on Friday.  I was parsing 2k-3k on most multi-mob fights, and around 1.4-1.6k on single targets.  I had a dirge, but not a troub.  I also had synergism.  Pulled agro a ton though because I was just unloading and had no fighter de-hate.  We had no brigand that night. Zonewide was about 1.9k, but I slacked on a few fights because I had to deal with the kids.  Definitely a WAY different zone than HoS in terms of parse.  Hit 4k on the stairs down to the final mob, was funny. agressiv

[KrAzE1]

Thats the main problem with these posts and they can give folks false information because not many of us explain our raid setup. Example: not optimal mage group setup I usually parse 1200 - 2000 = avg of 1600 if theres a good mix of singles and groups. Optimal mage group 1700 - 3200. So it varies greatly from raid to raid and because one person is getting XXXXX DPS doesnt mean others will also. Best advice I can give is work with your raid leaders to get the best setup you can and make sure you are doing the best you can with what you have to work with.

If your wondering how you stack up with other dps on your raid on a even playing field the seedlings in EH are a good measure. With no buffs its interesting.

[miliskel]

what i dont like about zw dps is how u can be doing 3k on encounters but only 1k on singles - this gives u 2k zw dps(if theres the same singles as encounters ofc ) and then people say they can do 2k on singles. especially lyceum, which ranges from 1 - 7 mob encounters.

[Junaru]

Also understand when parsing with ACT you have extDPS and DPS. A lot of people will go by their DPS because it's a higher number so when people say what they parsed you often have to ask which number they are going by. I always go by extDPS myself. We don't have any raiding Warlocks (had one by he's a Wizzy now) but when we did they tended to parse behind Necro's and Wizzy's (which is why our last on changed to a Wizzy).  Aggro was/is never a problem for our raids. Out MT's really know their stuff. The only time I seen our Warlock at the top of the parse was a Labs run where we would double/triple pull groups of mobs. Oddly enough I have often out parsed our Warlocks ZW. In the right group my Monk can hit 1.5k ZW but that doesn't happen often. My Warlock is only L40 sadly enough. He was my main when EQ2 1st came out but the long cast times were killing me so I switched to my Monk. I love playing my Warlock but I'll admit, aggro dancing is a [Removed for Content]. At least with my Monk if I get aggro I can handle it or FD. My Warlock just dies. hehe

[ThadeusOfShibboleth]

When you get to those fights you know your going to die on...strip naked and see what you can parse...it's actually more fun cause it's a challenge and if you die, you don't have the repair bill lol

Last night we did TTR and I managed to parse 3.8-4.2K on the multimob elf encounters naked heh.  It was actually fun to try.  Someone suggested it as a joke so I did it just to see.  I had 331 INT, Synergism, TC, HL, and Troub buffs.  I gave the tank 15sec to build agro before I engaged, pulled agro a few times, but lived.

I had tried it with all my gear on just to see what I could get to...the elves wouldn't let me go any higher than 5k or 6K before they squashed me....and fast lol

[Aranieq]

knightofround wrote:

I would like to see some ZW parses as well, with indications of who else was in the group and what major buffs they had. I've been using this site alot, and it seems to have done me a lot of good so far: http://www.southernairinc.com/Arani...ck%20Spells.htm

Saw you had the old link up... It's been moved (well the version that gets updated). I also added it to a download page so other locks could Download and change the numbers to match their casting specs... since this chart was based on hastenings, AGI and Explosive specs. I'm glad you like the chart and it's helpful. Here's the DL link and comment thread for critiques etc. http://www.eq2battlemage.com/viewtopic.php?t=111

[Windowlicker]

KrAzE1 wrote:

Thats the main problem with these posts and they can give folks false information because not many of us explain our raid setup. Example: not optimal mage group setup I usually parse 1200 - 2000 = avg of 1600 if theres a good mix of singles and groups. Optimal mage group 1700 - 3200. So it varies greatly from raid to raid and because one person is getting XXXXX DPS doesnt mean others will also. Best advice I can give is work with your raid leaders to get the best setup you can and make sure you are doing the best you can with what you have to work with.

If your wondering how you stack up with other dps on your raid on a even playing field the seedlings in EH are a good measure. With no buffs its interesting.

Typically I'm in a group with nothing more then an INT buff from a Fury and/or Wizard with Amends running.  If you dropped me in with an Illusionist and a Troub as well, my DPS would be much higher. Even moreso if the raid has a Brigand, which we typically dont' lately.

[knightofround]

Aranieq , Thanks for coming up with the chart, it is a huge help. Is it updated for The E:Rift AA fix? Or do we still add the (now unbuggeed!) +10% damage manually? Also, do you know of any similar charts for other classes?

[miliskel]

comparing raids with a troub?: a little while before i saw that sdark infestatipon and netherlord actually increase my dps lol..so yeh, 1k dps to about 1.6k zw

[Aranieq]

knightofround wrote:

Aranieq , Thanks for coming up with the chart, it is a huge help. Is it updated for The E:Rift AA fix? Or do we still add the (now unbuggeed!) +10% damage manually? Also, do you know of any similar charts for other classes?

This chart is calculated with 5 points into rift. The cast/self stun time has not been changed since Rift "update".  Ty for pointing out the Rift change it needs to be updated. There is a wizard version I'm working on.  I will be sure to make a post when it's done.

[miliskel]

recently ive respeced to str wis lines going str 46482 and wis 47482 , does anyone else think its a suicide spec?

[Denubisdjinn]

Where can I get the damage meters/parses ?  I've looked around and can't seem to locate them although I was grouped with someone who had one but she didn't remember the URL...

[ThadeusOfShibboleth]

http://home.maine.rr.com/eqaditu/ACT/