Poll of sorts

gnarkill · 06-25-2007, 08:12 PM

So who all is going... AGI 4/4/8 STA 4/4/8 INT 4/5/8 When changes go live? I know I am =) I think these changes could really up our parses with the right weapon/encounters

gnarkill · 06-25-2007, 08:34 PM

sigh....I was just on test and noticed that Avenging Invigoration is now 10% recovery timers 10% recast timers 10% increased casting speed lol now I have no clue what what I wanna do...I have prayed for faster casting speeds forever

AziBam · 06-25-2007, 08:55 PM

Hrm. That's the way it's always been. (The casting speed thing.) The new part is the recovery timer. The new boost to AGI certainly will be tempting. I'm sure I'll end up trying it but I do enjoy the end of STR too.

gnarkill · 06-25-2007, 08:58 PM

No right now on live its 10% speed of recovery and casting reuse timers and always has been

gnarkill · 06-25-2007, 09:05 PM

Ok the way they word this [Removed for Content] is all [Removed for Content] up brb lol

gnarkill · 06-25-2007, 09:13 PM

Ok here is before and after...the current one already says "recovery"

I am confused..did they not add anything and just re-worded it?

AziBam · 06-25-2007, 09:43 PM

Yeah, the description in the spell is pathetic. I noted that about the recovery thing too. I think even the Devs are confused about the meanings of recast, reuse, recovery. I can tell you with confidence though that it does make you cast faster. As an example, abominable wrath normally would be a 2 second cast and 1 minute recast. I have endline of STR which makes it 1.82 sec cast (/shrug) and 54.5 recast. Similar with Blessing, 1.82 cast, 13.6 recast.

gnarkill · 06-25-2007, 09:48 PM

Ok then heheh...I had Avenging but specd out and couldnt test this on live w/o spending plat...So thanks for this...looks like im going AGI =) One thing I did notice when I had Avenging was...I actually parsed alot better with max melee crits and max Battle Leadership then when I had Avenging /shrug

AziBam · 06-25-2007, 10:01 PM

LoL. Yeah. I personally think it's a nice credit that they gave crusaders a decent set of AAs that I have terrible time trying to decide what is the best. Some of my other toons it's just a no-brainer because 3 or 4 out of 5 lines completely suck. Could ours be better? Yep. Could they be a ton worse? Yep. . Anyway, to answer your first question. I'll probably try that spec sometime. (I've even pondered blasphemy by going 4,4,8 STR, AGI,STA) to push melee hard. I'm kinda skeered to try that though as I've never gone without spell (and hence tap) crits ever. SMILEY

Beldin_ · 06-25-2007, 10:02 PM

STR was always 10% faster casting speed and 10% faster recast, so new is only the 10% recovery

Kazander13 · 06-25-2007, 10:40 PM

gnarkill wrote:

So who all is going... AGI 4/4/8 STA 4/4/8 INT 4/5/8 When changes go live? I know I am =) I think these changes could really up our parses with the right weapon/encounters

Yeah, I'm almost reluctant to give up my setup now, but that looks like it's going to bring damage up a notch. Isn't the teleport ability the second ability down in the Agi line now? If so then that's just awesome and I'm on board.

gnarkill · 06-25-2007, 11:01 PM

yea joust teleport is in agi line =)

Chanaluss · 06-25-2007, 11:25 PM

im prolly gonna go all the way through agi line when my SK gets that far =x

gnarkill · 06-25-2007, 11:34 PM

Chanaluss wrote:

im prolly gonna go all the way through agi line when my SK gets that far =x

AGI Teleport then Snare would be awesome for pvp but would have to sacrifice to much AA wise i think

Controlor · 06-26-2007, 12:47 AM

gnarkill wrote:

Ok here is before and after...the current one already says "recovery" I am confused..did they not add anything and just re-worded it?

To "decifer" that you must know that the originally is improperly worded. It should have said increases speed of reuse and casting timers by 10%. Recovery is DIFFERENT then reuse. Reuse effects your reuse timer on spell. Casting effects your casting timers. Recovery effects Global Cool Down on your spells. Any illusionist would know this all to well. Everyone has a global cool down of 0.5 seconds and it is "hidden" beihend the spell. The only time that you will see "recovery" on a spell is if you have something to effect the global cool down. Time compression or the agi line of an illusionist both reduces recovery (agi effects themselves TC reduces targets recovery by 50%). Hope that helps you all out who havent encountered recovery befor.

geophonic · 06-26-2007, 05:28 AM

just on a side note, since it was mentioned here too, battle leadership in the Wisdom line seems to do very good. it adds up to +34 (if I am not mistaken right now) in all necessary skills, the most important being your weapon skills and disruption, which gives me a 10% higher to-hit percentage in raids than a SK in the same raid who ist specced full STR and 4-4-8 INT. And I rarely happen to be the OT so my group setup is not the best at all times, still I parse alot higher than him. I myself am still hesitating on what my new AA setup will look like. I will surely skip the WIS line again, although the test was not too bad. But I think you give up alot other stuff that could be more important. I thought of going AGI line too, but the 40% chance of hitting mobs in your front range would only be suitable for the big groups of mobs. What does the AGI line give us for the big bosses? Is the increase in defensive ability worth it? I actually tend to go back to full STR for the end ability since even faster casting alone is awesome, not to mention the faster recovery.

CHIMPNOODLE. · 06-26-2007, 09:06 AM

The only given for me so far is the STA line. The changes to DA are just to good to pass up.

G1Joe · 06-26-2007, 09:32 AM

thelastboy is using that spec on his noob SK atm gnarkill hes enjoying it but then you have spoken to him about that already

MaCloud1032 · 06-26-2007, 11:57 AM

Iam going to finish out the Str and Int. The Reflect works as long as you are main target. Not on PBAoEs. Just seeing a wardens dogs reflected back dif it for me!

gnarkill · 06-26-2007, 04:08 PM

Darksavanna@Venekor wrote:

Iam going to finish out the Str and Int. The Reflect works as long as you are main target. Not on PBAoEs. Just seeing a wardens dogs reflected back dif it for me!

yea seeing "Gnarkill's Band of Thugs" on a unsuspecting brig was always funny

Noktaris · 06-26-2007, 04:57 PM

So they did or didn't remove the mount requirement? Sorry if thats already been answered someplace else. I'm a bit behind on the info I guess. SMILEY

Norrsken · 06-26-2007, 07:07 PM

gnarkill wrote:

Darksavanna@Venekor wrote:
Iam going to finish out the Str and Int. The Reflect works as long as you are main target. Not on PBAoEs. Just seeing a wardens dogs reflected back dif it for me!
yea seeing "Gnarkill's Band of Thugs" on a unsuspecting brig was always funny

Hehe. Love it!

gnarkill · 06-26-2007, 07:12 PM

Noktaris wrote:

So they did or didn't remove the mount requirement? Sorry if thats already been answered someplace else. I'm a bit behind on the info I guess.

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06-25-2007, 10:02 PM	#10
Beldin_ Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,343	STR was always 10% faster casting speed and 10% faster recast, so new is only the 10% recovery __________________

06-25-2007, 10:40 PM	#11
Kazander13 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 86	gnarkill wrote: So who all is going... AGI 4/4/8 STA 4/4/8 INT 4/5/8 When changes go live? I know I am =) I think these changes could really up our parses with the right weapon/encounters Yeah, I'm almost reluctant to give up my setup now, but that looks like it's going to bring damage up a notch. Isn't the teleport ability the second ability down in the Agi line now? If so then that's just awesome and I'm on board. __________________ Kazander Atredes Antonia Bayle

06-25-2007, 11:34 PM	#14
gnarkill Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 209	Chanaluss wrote: im prolly gonna go all the way through agi line when my SK gets that far =x AGI Teleport then Snare would be awesome for pvp but would have to sacrifice to much AA wise i think

06-26-2007, 12:47 AM	#15
Controlor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 767	gnarkill wrote: Ok here is before and after...the current one already says "recovery" I am confused..did they not add anything and just re-worded it? To "decifer" that you must know that the originally is improperly worded. It should have said increases speed of reuse and casting timers by 10%. Recovery is DIFFERENT then reuse. Reuse effects your reuse timer on spell. Casting effects your casting timers. Recovery effects Global Cool Down on your spells. Any illusionist would know this all to well. Everyone has a global cool down of 0.5 seconds and it is "hidden" beihend the spell. The only time that you will see "recovery" on a spell is if you have something to effect the global cool down. Time compression or the agi line of an illusionist both reduces recovery (agi effects themselves TC reduces targets recovery by 50%). Hope that helps you all out who havent encountered recovery befor.

06-26-2007, 09:06 AM	#17
CHIMPNOODLE. Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 923	The only given for me so far is the STA line. The changes to DA are just to good to pass up. __________________

06-25-2007, 08:12 PM	#1
gnarkill Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 209	So who all is going... AGI 4/4/8 STA 4/4/8 INT 4/5/8 When changes go live? I know I am =) I think these changes could really up our parses with the right weapon/encounters

06-25-2007, 08:34 PM	#2
gnarkill Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 209	sigh....I was just on test and noticed that Avenging Invigoration is now 10% recovery timers 10% recast timers 10% increased casting speed lol now I have no clue what what I wanna do...I have prayed for faster casting speeds forever

06-25-2007, 08:55 PM	#3
AziBam Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 682	Hrm. That's the way it's always been. (The casting speed thing.) The new part is the recovery timer. The new boost to AGI certainly will be tempting. I'm sure I'll end up trying it but I do enjoy the end of STR too.

06-25-2007, 08:58 PM	#4
gnarkill Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 209	No right now on live its 10% speed of recovery and casting reuse timers and always has been

06-25-2007, 09:05 PM	#5
gnarkill Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 209	Ok the way they word this [Removed for Content] is all [Removed for Content] up brb lol

06-25-2007, 09:13 PM	#6
gnarkill Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 209	Ok here is before and after...the current one already says "recovery" I am confused..did they not add anything and just re-worded it?

06-25-2007, 09:43 PM	#7
AziBam Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 682	Yeah, the description in the spell is pathetic. I noted that about the recovery thing too. I think even the Devs are confused about the meanings of recast, reuse, recovery. I can tell you with confidence though that it does make you cast faster. As an example, abominable wrath normally would be a 2 second cast and 1 minute recast. I have endline of STR which makes it 1.82 sec cast (/shrug) and 54.5 recast. Similar with Blessing, 1.82 cast, 13.6 recast.

06-25-2007, 09:48 PM	#8
gnarkill Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 209	Ok then heheh...I had Avenging but specd out and couldnt test this on live w/o spending plat...So thanks for this...looks like im going AGI =) One thing I did notice when I had Avenging was...I actually parsed alot better with max melee crits and max Battle Leadership then when I had Avenging /shrug

06-25-2007, 10:01 PM	#9
AziBam Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 682	LoL. Yeah. I personally think it's a nice credit that they gave crusaders a decent set of AAs that I have terrible time trying to decide what is the best. Some of my other toons it's just a no-brainer because 3 or 4 out of 5 lines completely suck. Could ours be better? Yep. Could they be a ton worse? Yep. . Anyway, to answer your first question. I'll probably try that spec sometime. (I've even pondered blasphemy by going 4,4,8 STR, AGI,STA) to push melee hard. I'm kinda skeered to try that though as I've never gone without spell (and hence tap) crits ever.

06-25-2007, 11:01 PM	#12
gnarkill Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 209	yea joust teleport is in agi line =)

06-25-2007, 11:25 PM	#13
Chanaluss Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 133	im prolly gonna go all the way through agi line when my SK gets that far =x

06-26-2007, 05:28 AM	#16
geophonic Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 81	just on a side note, since it was mentioned here too, battle leadership in the Wisdom line seems to do very good. it adds up to +34 (if I am not mistaken right now) in all necessary skills, the most important being your weapon skills and disruption, which gives me a 10% higher to-hit percentage in raids than a SK in the same raid who ist specced full STR and 4-4-8 INT. And I rarely happen to be the OT so my group setup is not the best at all times, still I parse alot higher than him. I myself am still hesitating on what my new AA setup will look like. I will surely skip the WIS line again, although the test was not too bad. But I think you give up alot other stuff that could be more important. I thought of going AGI line too, but the 40% chance of hitting mobs in your front range would only be suitable for the big groups of mobs. What does the AGI line give us for the big bosses? Is the increase in defensive ability worth it? I actually tend to go back to full STR for the end ability since even faster casting alone is awesome, not to mention the faster recovery.

06-26-2007, 09:32 AM	#18
G1Joe Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 136	thelastboy is using that spec on his noob SK atm gnarkill hes enjoying it but then you have spoken to him about that already

06-26-2007, 11:57 AM	#19
MaCloud1032 Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 655	Iam going to finish out the Str and Int. The Reflect works as long as you are main target. Not on PBAoEs. Just seeing a wardens dogs reflected back dif it for me! __________________

06-26-2007, 04:08 PM	#20
gnarkill Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 209	Darksavanna@Venekor wrote: Iam going to finish out the Str and Int. The Reflect works as long as you are main target. Not on PBAoEs. Just seeing a wardens dogs reflected back dif it for me! yea seeing "Gnarkill's Band of Thugs" on a unsuspecting brig was always funny

06-26-2007, 04:57 PM	#21
Noktaris Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 29	So they did or didn't remove the mount requirement? Sorry if thats already been answered someplace else. I'm a bit behind on the info I guess.

06-26-2007, 07:07 PM	#22
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	gnarkill wrote: Darksavanna@Venekor wrote: Iam going to finish out the Str and Int. The Reflect works as long as you are main target. Not on PBAoEs. Just seeing a wardens dogs reflected back dif it for me! yea seeing "Gnarkill's Band of Thugs" on a unsuspecting brig was always funny Hehe. Love it! __________________

06-26-2007, 07:12 PM	#23
gnarkill Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 209	Noktaris wrote: So they did or didn't remove the mount requirement? Sorry if thats already been answered someplace else. I'm a bit behind on the info I guess. Removed