Forget chips, lets play poker with gold!

DragonMaster2385 · 06-16-2007, 03:24 PM

There are so many online poker sites out right now, I would love to see EQ2 get caught up in the action. Put poker tables in houses, inns, etc that you can enter online poker games and bet gold. Hell, how about betting real money as well; SOE could really capitalize on that gain. Of course, there would have been be some sort of verification process to prevent under age gambling, but if other online sites can do it, I'm sure SOE could as well. Poker would definatly [Removed for Content] off some roll players, but it could be changed around a bit and given a new name.

Ravaan · 06-16-2007, 07:41 PM

that would be bad just because I would be broke all the time .. I love poker especially texas holdem. Just need to rename it to Halasian Holdem SMILEY

Solaran_X · 06-16-2007, 07:50 PM

DragonMaster2385 wrote:

There are so many online poker sites out right now, I would love to see EQ2 get caught up in the action. Put poker tables in houses, inns, etc that you can enter online poker games and bet gold. Hell, how about betting real money as well; SOE could really capitalize on that gain. Of course, there would have been be some sort of verification process to prevent under age gambling, but if other online sites can do it, I'm sure SOE could as well. Poker would definatly [Removed for Content] off some roll players, but it could be changed around a bit and given a new name.

The online sites are also pretty much banned by the US. While you can use them...you can't buy chips from them with your debit card, credit card, or any online money transfer setup like PayPal or MoneyBookers. In fact, that is also why the people who run those sites do it outside of this country and can never set foot in this country - last one to do so was arrested at the airport and is in prison now. So basically...you're asking SOE to put in a feature that is, for all intents and purposes, against United States law and thus could only be implemented on the foreign servers.

Barbai · 06-17-2007, 12:42 AM

that and don't forget the thief goblin games you know the ones at the docks that if you watch the reels some of the numbers don't even show up.

Barbai · 06-17-2007, 12:42 AM

doh it double posted for some reason.

Nastharl · 06-17-2007, 02:37 AM

Its only against the law if you can play for real money. Poker for gold wouldn't count. Also i think there are still ways you can legally play for money on the net, but not ENTIRELY sure. Either way, it wouldn't be illegal.

Femke · 06-17-2007, 03:32 AM

Well, I personally don't have a need for poker or other gambling games in EQII, but if others have... be my guest SMILEY

. Concerning the being illegal, I know other online communities/games have removed things like that because the US laws. Femke.

Cuz · 06-17-2007, 02:40 PM

Nastharl@Nektulos wrote:

Its only against the law if you can play for real money. Poker for gold wouldn't count. Also i think there are still ways you can legally play for money on the net, but not ENTIRELY sure. Either way, it wouldn't be illegal.

On the exchange it would be for real money, so they couldn't have it there. And I figure the reason it's so illegal it's because it would be a non taxed form of income.

HemoragiK · 06-18-2007, 10:32 AM

Vaeamdar@Antonia Bayle wrote:

DragonMaster2385 wrote:
There are so many online poker sites out right now, I would love to see EQ2 get caught up in the action. Put poker tables in houses, inns, etc that you can enter online poker games and bet gold. Hell, how about betting real money as well; SOE could really capitalize on that gain. Of course, there would have been be some sort of verification process to prevent under age gambling, but if other online sites can do it, I'm sure SOE could as well. Poker would definatly [Removed for Content] off some roll players, but it could be changed around a bit and given a new name.
The online sites are also pretty much banned by the US. While you can use them...you can't buy chips from them with your debit card, credit card, or any online money transfer setup like PayPal or MoneyBookers. In fact, that is also why the people who run those sites do it outside of this country and can never set foot in this country - last one to do so was arrested at the airport and is in prison now. So basically...you're asking SOE to put in a feature that is, for all intents and purposes, against United States law and thus could only be implemented on the foreign servers.

Please read my ENTIRE reply before you make a rebuttal. Actually, you are wrong. Online gambling is NOT illegal in the U.S., only the enabling of money transfers between banks/payment processors and said gambling sites. This means that the average person playing on an online site IS NOT breaking the law and CANNOT be arrested or prosecuted. If you don't believe me, do a search for the law and read it. Also, the only people who have been arrested are those that either run SPORTS betting sites or transfer money to them. NO ONE from a poker or casino site has ever been arrested or prosecuted in the U.S. As well, those people were arrested under the Wire Act, and not the new law that was passed in October. As well, those people have been charged in Louisiana, and no other state, because the Feds can't prosecute them in any other state. Also, the last person that ran a SPORTS betting site that was arrested in the U.S. was arrested in New York (he was from the U.K.). The Feds brought him to court to extradite him to Louisiana and the judge let him go. He is now back in the U.K. giving the Feds the proverbial middle finger, as he should be. As for those from BetOnSports (now defunct) and Neteller (the only other's to be prosecuted), their cases haven't even made it to court yet. They are not in jail. Hmmm. I wonder why. Could it be the Feds know they don't have a solid case and are trying to get them to cop a plea? Umm, my guess is... yes. Yes, others have been arrested for taking online bets in the U.S. However, those people were physically collecting money and were not licensed, which is an entirely different ball of wax. Also, the WTO ruled that the new U.S. law in itself is illegal. Of course, the U.S. government, being the jerks that they are, don't listen to international law and do whatever they want. Yet, if anyone else breaks international law and it affects the U.S. in any way, they cry like babies to the WTO. You can look those cases up on the net too. Whew. /end rant

Gherig · 06-18-2007, 12:33 PM

This would drastically change the ESRB ratings for the game. It would make it adult content. Second, as a parent, if I knew this game was "teaching" my child how to gamble online with real casino style gaming, for "real" ingame currency, I would immediately cancel the game, delete it and report Sony to the BBB and the Gaming Control Board in my state.

There is really no reason for real casino style slot or table games in a under 21 content game. Third, if this happened, you would get gambling addicts that would play the game, buy currencey from plat farming sites, try to win extra plat and then sell it back to the farmers for resale. This would create and entirely new form of "currency farming for resale" and increase the current farming issues for resale we see now.

BAD IDEA !!

Shadowtzer · 06-18-2007, 01:53 PM

Ok I think that having poker games would be nice, however not for real money. I can see having an arena type place where you could either play against NPCs or others. But the twist to it would be that it would be in the tradition of the Wild West poker games we see in the movies. Of course set in EQ2 times but if you thought one was cheating you could duel and whoever wins gets that person's gold, or a portion of it. The poker arena would be set along the guidelines of the arenas we have now, level set to the lowest player with mentoring. I mean it just wouldn't be fair to see a lower toon get the snot kicked out of him if he was a cheater too by a higher level (although it would be funny =P). There could even be titles and trophies that could be placed in our homes to show off.

But under no circumstances would we be able to play for real money. Too many issues will arise. As others have posted, the game rating would change, plat sellers would never go away, alot of people would cancel their accounts, and the outbreak of gambling-aholics would rise.

Schadwe · 06-18-2007, 09:02 PM

Gherig wrote:

This would drastically change the ESRB ratings for the game. It would make it adult content. ...

And the ironic thing about that is that this game is centered around violence and people are worried what GAMBLING will do to a child?? Here we are killing, stealing, gutting for body parts (Legend and Lore) and other evil acts, yet we can't get a little nonviolent gambling going on...NOT EVEN GAMBLING FOR IN GAME GOLD. You can tell this world is f-d up in the head.

Haliken · 06-18-2007, 10:49 PM

As a note, the Gigglegibber goblins (I forget their painfully long names) aren't on the Exchange servers. Therefore, there would/should technically be no problem with adding another form of "gambling" to the game, given the precedence that the current form of gambling doesn't exist on those servers.

06-16-2007, 07:50 PM	#3
Solaran_X Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 396	DragonMaster2385 wrote: There are so many online poker sites out right now, I would love to see EQ2 get caught up in the action. Put poker tables in houses, inns, etc that you can enter online poker games and bet gold. Hell, how about betting real money as well; SOE could really capitalize on that gain. Of course, there would have been be some sort of verification process to prevent under age gambling, but if other online sites can do it, I'm sure SOE could as well. Poker would definatly [Removed for Content] off some roll players, but it could be changed around a bit and given a new name. The online sites are also pretty much banned by the US. While you can use them...you can't buy chips from them with your debit card, credit card, or any online money transfer setup like PayPal or MoneyBookers. In fact, that is also why the people who run those sites do it outside of this country and can never set foot in this country - last one to do so was arrested at the airport and is in prison now. So basically...you're asking SOE to put in a feature that is, for all intents and purposes, against United States law and thus could only be implemented on the foreign servers.

06-17-2007, 12:42 AM	#4
Barbai Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 724	that and don't forget the thief goblin games you know the ones at the docks that if you watch the reels some of the numbers don't even show up. __________________

06-17-2007, 12:42 AM	#5
Barbai Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 724	doh it double posted for some reason. __________________

06-17-2007, 03:32 AM	#7
Femke Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 480	Well, I personally don't have a need for poker or other gambling games in EQII, but if others have... be my guest . Concerning the being illegal, I know other online communities/games have removed things like that because the US laws. Femke.

06-17-2007, 02:40 PM	#8
Cuz Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 825	Nastharl@Nektulos wrote: Its only against the law if you can play for real money. Poker for gold wouldn't count. Also i think there are still ways you can legally play for money on the net, but not ENTIRELY sure. Either way, it wouldn't be illegal. On the exchange it would be for real money, so they couldn't have it there. And I figure the reason it's so illegal it's because it would be a non taxed form of income. __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ one immature posted ------------------------------------------------------------

06-16-2007, 03:24 PM	#1
DragonMaster2385 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,063	There are so many online poker sites out right now, I would love to see EQ2 get caught up in the action. Put poker tables in houses, inns, etc that you can enter online poker games and bet gold. Hell, how about betting real money as well; SOE could really capitalize on that gain. Of course, there would have been be some sort of verification process to prevent under age gambling, but if other online sites can do it, I'm sure SOE could as well. Poker would definatly [Removed for Content] off some roll players, but it could be changed around a bit and given a new name.

06-16-2007, 07:41 PM	#2
Ravaan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 554	that would be bad just because I would be broke all the time .. I love poker especially texas holdem. Just need to rename it to Halasian Holdem

06-17-2007, 02:37 AM	#6
Nastharl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 178	Its only against the law if you can play for real money. Poker for gold wouldn't count. Also i think there are still ways you can legally play for money on the net, but not ENTIRELY sure. Either way, it wouldn't be illegal.

06-18-2007, 10:32 AM	#9
HemoragiK Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	Vaeamdar@Antonia Bayle wrote: DragonMaster2385 wrote: There are so many online poker sites out right now, I would love to see EQ2 get caught up in the action. Put poker tables in houses, inns, etc that you can enter online poker games and bet gold. Hell, how about betting real money as well; SOE could really capitalize on that gain. Of course, there would have been be some sort of verification process to prevent under age gambling, but if other online sites can do it, I'm sure SOE could as well. Poker would definatly [Removed for Content] off some roll players, but it could be changed around a bit and given a new name. The online sites are also pretty much banned by the US. While you can use them...you can't buy chips from them with your debit card, credit card, or any online money transfer setup like PayPal or MoneyBookers. In fact, that is also why the people who run those sites do it outside of this country and can never set foot in this country - last one to do so was arrested at the airport and is in prison now. So basically...you're asking SOE to put in a feature that is, for all intents and purposes, against United States law and thus could only be implemented on the foreign servers. Please read my ENTIRE reply before you make a rebuttal. Actually, you are wrong. Online gambling is NOT illegal in the U.S., only the enabling of money transfers between banks/payment processors and said gambling sites. This means that the average person playing on an online site IS NOT breaking the law and CANNOT be arrested or prosecuted. If you don't believe me, do a search for the law and read it. Also, the only people who have been arrested are those that either run SPORTS betting sites or transfer money to them. NO ONE from a poker or casino site has ever been arrested or prosecuted in the U.S. As well, those people were arrested under the Wire Act, and not the new law that was passed in October. As well, those people have been charged in Louisiana, and no other state, because the Feds can't prosecute them in any other state. Also, the last person that ran a SPORTS betting site that was arrested in the U.S. was arrested in New York (he was from the U.K.). The Feds brought him to court to extradite him to Louisiana and the judge let him go. He is now back in the U.K. giving the Feds the proverbial middle finger, as he should be. As for those from BetOnSports (now defunct) and Neteller (the only other's to be prosecuted), their cases haven't even made it to court yet. They are not in jail. Hmmm. I wonder why. Could it be the Feds know they don't have a solid case and are trying to get them to cop a plea? Umm, my guess is... yes. Yes, others have been arrested for taking online bets in the U.S. However, those people were physically collecting money and were not licensed, which is an entirely different ball of wax. Also, the WTO ruled that the new U.S. law in itself is illegal. Of course, the U.S. government, being the jerks that they are, don't listen to international law and do whatever they want. Yet, if anyone else breaks international law and it affects the U.S. in any way, they cry like babies to the WTO. You can look those cases up on the net too. Whew. /end rant __________________

06-18-2007, 12:33 PM	#10
Gherig Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 18	This would drastically change the ESRB ratings for the game. It would make it adult content. Second, as a parent, if I knew this game was "teaching" my child how to gamble online with real casino style gaming, for "real" ingame currency, I would immediately cancel the game, delete it and report Sony to the BBB and the Gaming Control Board in my state. There is really no reason for real casino style slot or table games in a under 21 content game. Third, if this happened, you would get gambling addicts that would play the game, buy currencey from plat farming sites, try to win extra plat and then sell it back to the farmers for resale. This would create and entirely new form of "currency farming for resale" and increase the current farming issues for resale we see now. BAD IDEA !!

06-18-2007, 01:53 PM	#11
Shadowtzer Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Norrath Posts: 49	Ok I think that having poker games would be nice, however not for real money. I can see having an arena type place where you could either play against NPCs or others. But the twist to it would be that it would be in the tradition of the Wild West poker games we see in the movies. Of course set in EQ2 times but if you thought one was cheating you could duel and whoever wins gets that person's gold, or a portion of it. The poker arena would be set along the guidelines of the arenas we have now, level set to the lowest player with mentoring. I mean it just wouldn't be fair to see a lower toon get the snot kicked out of him if he was a cheater too by a higher level (although it would be funny =P). There could even be titles and trophies that could be placed in our homes to show off. But under no circumstances would we be able to play for real money. Too many issues will arise. As others have posted, the game rating would change, plat sellers would never go away, alot of people would cancel their accounts, and the outbreak of gambling-aholics would rise.

06-18-2007, 09:02 PM	#12
Schadwe Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	Gherig wrote: This would drastically change the ESRB ratings for the game. It would make it adult content. ... And the ironic thing about that is that this game is centered around violence and people are worried what GAMBLING will do to a child?? Here we are killing, stealing, gutting for body parts (Legend and Lore) and other evil acts, yet we can't get a little nonviolent gambling going on...NOT EVEN GAMBLING FOR IN GAME GOLD. You can tell this world is f-d up in the head. __________________ Schadwe "The shadows only move if there is something in the light."

06-18-2007, 10:49 PM	#13
Haliken Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 162	As a note, the Gigglegibber goblins (I forget their painfully long names) aren't on the Exchange servers. Therefore, there would/should technically be no problem with adding another form of "gambling" to the game, given the precedence that the current form of gambling doesn't exist on those servers.