AA Question, and Do You Agree or Not Agree?

Ecafmi · 06-14-2007, 11:22 PM

Ok first off my question.. Why is it that we cannont respec our AA's between the two tree's?! Can someone please explain this to me. I think we should be able too. I mean.. when I first started getting my AA's I wasn't exactly sure where I wanted to spend em.. Started putting them in one tree, then realized I wanted them in the other tree. So I had to start putting the others into the tree I wanted to go in.. Now I have wasted AA's in a useless line.. So my other question is...

Does anyone else agree that we should be able to respec our AA's in-between the two tree's?

My answer.. Yes I do! For the main reason that they would be so much more usefull now in my other tree.. Not everyone knows where they want to put them at first, then when we do.. It is too late =((

Please respond!! Get this to 30+ pages too!! =P

Bozidar · 06-14-2007, 11:48 PM

No, the cap is fine, and the respec just going to the individual tree is fine. No problem with it.

Ecafmi · 06-14-2007, 11:57 PM

Bozidar wrote:

No, the cap is fine, and the respec just going to the individual tree is fine. No problem with it.

Where was I talking about the AA cap at?! I'm just wanting to know why we can't respec in-between our trees?? I think if we earn them, we should have the choice now and later on which tree to put them in. I don't have a problem at all with the cap =/.

Orthureon · 06-15-2007, 12:02 AM

I agree, especially more so that there is a cap. Also, we spend 10g or more on a respec, it is not like it is free, throw us a bone.

Bozidar · 06-15-2007, 12:09 AM

Wizaard@Nagafen wrote:

Bozidar wrote:
No, the cap is fine, and the respec just going to the individual tree is fine. No problem with it.
Where was I talking about the AA cap at?! I'm just wanting to know why we can't respec in-between our trees?? I think if we earn them, we should have the choice now and later on which tree to put them in. I don't have a problem at all with the cap =/.

i apologize. strike my comment on the aa cap.

the respec rules are fine, imo. makes folks more cautious and thoughtful about spending points

spammy · 06-15-2007, 01:38 AM

to my knowledge, this was restricted once eof was released to prevent people who had already accumulated all their aa's from just respeccing into the new tree without having to earn their way through. think its probably feasible to allow it now...

Rattfa · 06-15-2007, 05:53 AM

Get 100 AA and it wont be a problem SMILEY

Ecafmi · 06-15-2007, 08:16 AM

Rattface@Nagafen wrote:

Get 100 AA and it wont be a problem

Well, If I wanted to go through all of the boringness of the levels 45+ I might do that SMILEY

. But Imo the game isn't any fun after level 45. Not much pvp, the pve content gets boring as it takes for ever to level then. (well I guess leveling doesn't really get hard until around 55). Granted.. I am grinding two PvP toons atm to 70 on Venekor, but have gotten bored with it. ...... Oh anyway.... Guess we better stay on subject!!! SMILEY

Fratzz · 06-15-2007, 08:30 AM

I would like to see a respec possibility between the trees also, could give one the possibility to equal out young "mistakes". Granted I am a newbie and started to play EQ2 this year (thus unable to amass AA SMILEY

). For the level cap (ok its off topic but still): I would even be more extreme and say AA == level, once you have reached 70 you can level up to 100AA.

Leorange · 06-15-2007, 08:39 AM

I agree.

They got to allow us that one, throw us the bone as one said. Moreso because they plan to change the whole ruleset (the nerfs, not the cap), thus making all our former AA choices questionable.

This time it's totally justified to give us a total crossover respec.

Hah!, if all whats on test really goes live, I am already assuming they will.

Legiax · 06-15-2007, 08:49 AM

Erm.

IMO The best parts of this game are 30-58 ish. I LOVE the old content, and the end part of the original EQ2 content is superb to say the least.

As for the AA subject, Its fine how it is, the respec system is fine.

1800Gambler · 06-15-2007, 09:29 AM

It would be nice to be able to reset all my AA's into what ever tree I wanted to. It would also be nice if I could turn my 70 necro into a Ranger because I spent the time leveling the necro to 70 so why cant I make him a Ranger with a class change and not have to do all the work all over again. No sarcasm intended ...I am serious...I want easy mode....

WasFycksir · 06-15-2007, 09:53 AM

I think the proposed tinkering with the AA's justifies a cross tree complete reset for everyone. Then after you get that one go back to the current system. Good call OP.

sprogn · 06-15-2007, 09:56 AM

Agree with OP. Full AA respec is needed.

rvbarton · 06-15-2007, 10:09 AM

I agree. Full, open respec is needed, one time.

kreepr · 06-15-2007, 10:14 AM

WasFycksir wrote:

I think the proposed tinkering with the AA's justifies a cross tree complete reset for everyone. Then after you get that one go back to the current system. Good call OP.

I agree, with the major changes aa will go threw we should get a complete respec.

Legiax · 06-15-2007, 10:17 AM

Why? Because twinks who level locked to gain an unfair advantage are now being forced to play on equal terms?

Sux 2 be u.

Ecafmi · 06-15-2007, 11:02 AM

Sakatai@Nagafen wrote:

Why? Because twinks who level locked to gain an unfair advantage are now being forced to play on equal terms?
Sux 2 be u.

This isn't about "twinks" it is about AA. Please don't try and change this to a arguementive type of thread.

( Also.. there are tons of players that aren't "twinked" in all tiers that would more than likely love to change trees... I know I'd love to on my T4,T5, and T6 toons) Anyways.. again.. Please stay on subject!! SMILEY

Legiax · 06-15-2007, 11:09 AM

So anyway, Twinks?

WTS 2x Pestilent Javelin, offers?

zorros · 06-15-2007, 11:19 AM

rvbarton wrote:

I agree. Full, open respec is needed, one time.

i would also like a full respec seeing so incombat aa points will be worthless

tiredang · 06-15-2007, 12:40 PM

Wizaard@Nagafen wrote:

Sakatai@Nagafen wrote:
Why? Because twinks who level locked to gain an unfair advantage are now being forced to play on equal terms?
Sux 2 be u.
This isn't about "twinks" it is about AA. Please don't try and change this to a arguementive type of thread.
( Also.. there are tons of players that aren't "twinked" in all tiers that would more than likely love to change trees... I know I'd love to on my T4,T5, and T6 toons) Anyways.. again.. Please stay on subject!!

lol, you have been trolled SMILEY

Zacarus · 06-15-2007, 01:51 PM

Agree with OP. If they're going to change the definition of Achievements they should allow you to change the tree in which you invest.

Badaxe Ba · 06-15-2007, 02:35 PM

I agree with OP. With the massive changes being implemented in GU36 to AA abilities, a one time change would certainly be appreciated. As far as the concern stated by a previous poster abut switching AA points between trees, it has certainly been long enough since the new AA tree to cancel out that fear, and any AA's earned by now have definitely not come free, or unearned. If the AA lines abilities weren't being changed I would disagree, with switching between tres, as some thought should go into selecting choices, but when an ability chosen is being changed by DEV's, in some cases even becoming useless for pvp (incombat runspeed, just to name one) a player needs to be able to readjust without cost. FYI, 100 points here, so I don't need to switch between trees, lol.

SambucaM · 06-15-2007, 04:47 PM

Absolutely believe a complete respec is warranted, especially with the upcoming changes.

Zexxii · 06-15-2007, 05:52 PM

Totally agree, the complete AA reset needs to be in place, not per tree.

kreepr · 06-15-2007, 08:24 PM

Sakatai@Nagafen wrote:

Why? Because twinks who level locked to gain an unfair advantage are now being forced to play on equal terms?
Sux 2 be u.

LOL your an IDIOT. These changes affect everyone not just twinks. Come back when you figure out what we are talking about.

You got railed by your local twink didnt you LOL

DudeMan · 06-16-2007, 12:15 AM

Ya it sucked the first time I spent a nice chunk of change to repec and I found out that you couldn't move points to the other tree... Eh, my fault for not reading the update notes, I guess....

With that being said, I don't think its that big of a problem. If I had to vote, I would say just leave it as is.

KniteShayd · 06-16-2007, 12:25 AM

I agree that we need a full respec. It's not fair to have to find out the hard way that we can't cross spec our AA. Especially when we don't have alot of AA to begin with...

Luxun · 06-16-2007, 12:32 AM

Sakatai@Nagafen wrote:

Erm.
IMO The best parts of this game are 30-58 ish. I LOVE the old content, and the end part of the original EQ2 content is superb to say the least.
As for the AA subject, Its fine how it is, the respec system is fine.

I like all the cool toys in T7 but ....when they designed KoS they gave ABSOLUTELY no thought to pvp. What on earth were they thinking with the cloud system ??? With lal the triple up aggro around in all the zones makes pvp impossible for classes that have aoe attacks and for every non-scout.

PvP is a lot more fun in older tiers and older zones ....pvping in T2 is childish imo, t3 is well meh ...but t4, t5, t6 is AMAZING. Sure I liek my pvp gear at lvl 70, but its justtoo [Removed for Content] boring, with all the cloud humping, raid pvp and ect. I personalyl enjoyed lower lvl pvp more.

Rastaah · 06-16-2007, 12:44 AM

I have to agree too with the changes being quite drastic for some. Also, why not allow it in the first place for a higher fee? I think it is kinda silly to do it as they do now.

Just make it VERY expensive to respec from one tree to the other (25 gold/50 gold/1plat etc.)

06-14-2007, 11:22 PM	#1
Ecafmi Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 55	Ok first off my question.. Why is it that we cannont respec our AA's between the two tree's?! Can someone please explain this to me. I think we should be able too. I mean.. when I first started getting my AA's I wasn't exactly sure where I wanted to spend em.. Started putting them in one tree, then realized I wanted them in the other tree. So I had to start putting the others into the tree I wanted to go in.. Now I have wasted AA's in a useless line.. So my other question is... Does anyone else agree that we should be able to respec our AA's in-between the two tree's? My answer.. Yes I do! For the main reason that they would be so much more usefull now in my other tree.. Not everyone knows where they want to put them at first, then when we do.. It is too late =(( Please respond!! Get this to 30+ pages too!! =P __________________

06-14-2007, 11:57 PM	#3
Ecafmi Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 55	Bozidar wrote: No, the cap is fine, and the respec just going to the individual tree is fine. No problem with it. Where was I talking about the AA cap at?! I'm just wanting to know why we can't respec in-between our trees?? I think if we earn them, we should have the choice now and later on which tree to put them in. I don't have a problem at all with the cap =/. __________________

06-15-2007, 12:02 AM	#4
Orthureon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,073	I agree, especially more so that there is a cap. Also, we spend 10g or more on a respec, it is not like it is free, throw us a bone. __________________ NAGAFEN Server DAEMIEN 92 Shadowknight XEOS 92 Ranger EXILON 92 Inquisitor.

06-15-2007, 12:09 AM	#5
Bozidar Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,292	Wizaard@Nagafen wrote: Bozidar wrote: No, the cap is fine, and the respec just going to the individual tree is fine. No problem with it. Where was I talking about the AA cap at?! I'm just wanting to know why we can't respec in-between our trees?? I think if we earn them, we should have the choice now and later on which tree to put them in. I don't have a problem at all with the cap =/. i apologize. strike my comment on the aa cap. the respec rules are fine, imo. makes folks more cautious and thoughtful about spending points

06-15-2007, 01:38 AM	#6
spammy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 108	to my knowledge, this was restricted once eof was released to prevent people who had already accumulated all their aa's from just respeccing into the new tree without having to earn their way through. think its probably feasible to allow it now... __________________ ~venekor~ zanthie 51 bruiser zanthies 70 brigand monzii 28 coercer zanthiez 51 warlock ~najena~ zanthie 42 brigand monzii 70 coercer ~kithicor~

06-14-2007, 11:48 PM	#2
Bozidar Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,292	No, the cap is fine, and the respec just going to the individual tree is fine. No problem with it.

06-15-2007, 05:53 AM	#7
Rattfa Server: Nagafen Guild: Purity Rank: Friends And Family General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,083	Get 100 AA and it wont be a problem __________________ Squeeeek, 80 Brigand - Nagafen Rattface, 80 Fury - Nagafen

06-15-2007, 08:16 AM	#8
Ecafmi Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 55	Rattface@Nagafen wrote: Get 100 AA and it wont be a problem Well, If I wanted to go through all of the boringness of the levels 45+ I might do that . But Imo the game isn't any fun after level 45. Not much pvp, the pve content gets boring as it takes for ever to level then. (well I guess leveling doesn't really get hard until around 55). Granted.. I am grinding two PvP toons atm to 70 on Venekor, but have gotten bored with it. ...... Oh anyway.... Guess we better stay on subject!!! __________________

06-15-2007, 08:30 AM	#9
Fratzz Server: Venekor Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Zurigo - CH Posts: 19	I would like to see a respec possibility between the trees also, could give one the possibility to equal out young "mistakes". Granted I am a newbie and started to play EQ2 this year (thus unable to amass AA). For the level cap (ok its off topic but still): I would even be more extreme and say AA == level, once you have reached 70 you can level up to 100AA.

06-15-2007, 08:39 AM	#10
Leorange Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Qeynos, Norrath Posts: 236	I agree. They got to allow us that one, throw us the bone as one said. Moreso because they plan to change the whole ruleset (the nerfs, not the cap), thus making all our former AA choices questionable. This time it's totally justified to give us a total crossover respec. Hah!, if all whats on test really goes live, I am already assuming they will. __________________

06-15-2007, 08:49 AM	#11
Legiax Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: England Posts: 353	Erm. IMO The best parts of this game are 30-58 ish. I LOVE the old content, and the end part of the original EQ2 content is superb to say the least. As for the AA subject, Its fine how it is, the respec system is fine.

06-15-2007, 09:29 AM	#12
1800Gambler Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 14	It would be nice to be able to reset all my AA's into what ever tree I wanted to. It would also be nice if I could turn my 70 necro into a Ranger because I spent the time leveling the necro to 70 so why cant I make him a Ranger with a class change and not have to do all the work all over again. No sarcasm intended ...I am serious...I want easy mode....

06-15-2007, 09:53 AM	#13
WasFycksir Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 554	I think the proposed tinkering with the AA's justifies a cross tree complete reset for everyone. Then after you get that one go back to the current system. Good call OP.

06-15-2007, 09:56 AM	#14
sprogn General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 475	Agree with OP. Full AA respec is needed. __________________

06-15-2007, 10:09 AM	#15
rvbarton Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Euless, Texas Posts: 312	I agree. Full, open respec is needed, one time.

06-15-2007, 10:14 AM	#16
kreepr General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 681	WasFycksir wrote: I think the proposed tinkering with the AA's justifies a cross tree complete reset for everyone. Then after you get that one go back to the current system. Good call OP. I agree, with the major changes aa will go threw we should get a complete respec.

06-15-2007, 10:17 AM	#17
Legiax Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: England Posts: 353	Why? Because twinks who level locked to gain an unfair advantage are now being forced to play on equal terms? Sux 2 be u.

06-15-2007, 11:02 AM	#18
Ecafmi Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 55	Sakatai@Nagafen wrote: Why? Because twinks who level locked to gain an unfair advantage are now being forced to play on equal terms? Sux 2 be u. This isn't about "twinks" it is about AA. Please don't try and change this to a arguementive type of thread. ( Also.. there are tons of players that aren't "twinked" in all tiers that would more than likely love to change trees... I know I'd love to on my T4,T5, and T6 toons) Anyways.. again.. Please stay on subject!! __________________

06-15-2007, 11:09 AM	#19
Legiax Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: England Posts: 353	So anyway, Twinks? WTS 2x Pestilent Javelin, offers?

06-15-2007, 11:19 AM	#20
zorros Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 474	rvbarton wrote: I agree. Full, open respec is needed, one time. i would also like a full respec seeing so incombat aa points will be worthless

06-15-2007, 12:40 PM	#21
tiredang General Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 169	Wizaard@Nagafen wrote: Sakatai@Nagafen wrote: Why? Because twinks who level locked to gain an unfair advantage are now being forced to play on equal terms? Sux 2 be u. This isn't about "twinks" it is about AA. Please don't try and change this to a arguementive type of thread. ( Also.. there are tons of players that aren't "twinked" in all tiers that would more than likely love to change trees... I know I'd love to on my T4,T5, and T6 toons) Anyways.. again.. Please stay on subject!! lol, you have been trolled __________________ Healing butt and taking names! Angelyc Sadist 21 Defiler/31 Weaponsmith Stacy Sadist 17 Fury/26 Sage Jaided Sadist the Exile 70 Warden/70 Sage

06-15-2007, 01:51 PM	#22
Zacarus Server: Nagafen Guild: Elusive Rank: Guild Leader Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 681	Agree with OP. If they're going to change the definition of Achievements they should allow you to change the tree in which you invest.

06-15-2007, 02:35 PM	#23
Badaxe Ba General Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Venekor Posts: 568	I agree with OP. With the massive changes being implemented in GU36 to AA abilities, a one time change would certainly be appreciated. As far as the concern stated by a previous poster abut switching AA points between trees, it has certainly been long enough since the new AA tree to cancel out that fear, and any AA's earned by now have definitely not come free, or unearned. If the AA lines abilities weren't being changed I would disagree, with switching between tres, as some thought should go into selecting choices, but when an ability chosen is being changed by DEV's, in some cases even becoming useless for pvp (incombat runspeed, just to name one) a player needs to be able to readjust without cost. FYI, 100 points here, so I don't need to switch between trees, lol. __________________

06-15-2007, 04:47 PM	#24
SambucaM Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1	Absolutely believe a complete respec is warranted, especially with the upcoming changes.

06-15-2007, 05:52 PM	#25
Zexxii Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 181	Totally agree, the complete AA reset needs to be in place, not per tree.

06-15-2007, 08:24 PM	#26
kreepr General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 681	Sakatai@Nagafen wrote: Why? Because twinks who level locked to gain an unfair advantage are now being forced to play on equal terms? Sux 2 be u. LOL your an IDIOT. These changes affect everyone not just twinks. Come back when you figure out what we are talking about. You got railed by your local twink didnt you LOL

06-16-2007, 12:15 AM	#27
DudeMan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 46	Ya it sucked the first time I spent a nice chunk of change to repec and I found out that you couldn't move points to the other tree... Eh, my fault for not reading the update notes, I guess.... With that being said, I don't think its that big of a problem. If I had to vote, I would say just leave it as is. __________________ Django - 70 Dirge/68 Tailor/100 Tinker Nagafen Jaco - 38 Buiser Nagafen Bireli - 28 Defiler/65 Jeweler/325 Transmuter Nagafen "A victory over Artifical Intelligence is an artifical victory." Play PvP!

06-16-2007, 12:25 AM	#28
KniteShayd Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,190	I agree that we need a full respec. It's not fair to have to find out the hard way that we can't cross spec our AA. Especially when we don't have alot of AA to begin with...

06-16-2007, 12:32 AM	#29
Luxun Lord Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 64	Sakatai@Nagafen wrote: Erm. IMO The best parts of this game are 30-58 ish. I LOVE the old content, and the end part of the original EQ2 content is superb to say the least. As for the AA subject, Its fine how it is, the respec system is fine. I like all the cool toys in T7 but ....when they designed KoS they gave ABSOLUTELY no thought to pvp. What on earth were they thinking with the cloud system ??? With lal the triple up aggro around in all the zones makes pvp impossible for classes that have aoe attacks and for every non-scout. PvP is a lot more fun in older tiers and older zones ....pvping in T2 is childish imo, t3 is well meh ...but t4, t5, t6 is AMAZING. Sure I liek my pvp gear at lvl 70, but its justtoo [Removed for Content] boring, with all the cloud humping, raid pvp and ect. I personalyl enjoyed lower lvl pvp more.

06-16-2007, 12:44 AM	#30
Rastaah Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Big Bear Lake, Cali Posts: 225	I have to agree too with the changes being quite drastic for some. Also, why not allow it in the first place for a higher fee? I think it is kinda silly to do it as they do now. Just make it VERY expensive to respec from one tree to the other (25 gold/50 gold/1plat etc.)