Titile Facts

[CresentBlade]

There has been on going debate about the pro's and con's of titles. It is my view that the system has to be reworked some how or removed. The point of pvp is not titles, the point is to test your self against human opponents. Some people love the pure pvp and some like having the excitement of not knowing if they are going to be attacked on this pull or while harvesting/questing. It adds spice to the game for people that fighting computer controlled mobs does not.

Titiles are ruining the game.

No matter what team you are playing on you have heard someone on your team shout out locations of enemy players and more and more lately you here people shout back are they titled? There are alot of players that wont go fight the enemy unless they have a title. This is well known to all and is getting worse.

People complain alot about zone hopping and guard hugging and you hear others say stop crying and just dont fight near these areas. Well see the big problem is all these people with titles as low as hunter refuse to go any where but these locations. I dont care what team you are on you know this for fact and this problem is getting worse and worse. We are losing players that just want to pvp because pvp encounters are becoming harder and harder to find if your not willing to dance around guards or stay near zone lines. In most cases you will not see the titled people from these areas unless they are in a raid. I will note that the guild "Shadow Stalkers" is the first guild of Qeynos that I have seen that doesnt hug/hop they had a nice 4 man team in Nek forrest and where not afraid to fight. Now mind you this is rare but most titled players will not fight this way.

If you happen to catch a titled character out in the open nine times out of ten they run/evac and will not engage for anything.

I dont have all the answers but I do know something needs to be done, get rid of titles or at the very least rework them. EQ1 didnt have titles for pvp and it was a blast there was always battles going on. This is pvp not hide and go seek, lets battle and test skills enough with all the running and hopping and hugging.

And I sure some will cry if they removed titles they would leave. If the only reason your on a pvp server is for a pointless title then you dont understand what a pvp server is. So if you want to get mad and scream and yell and leave all I have to say is: Can I have your coin/items?

Lets start pvping!!

(Note) I am not attacking anyone with this post just pointing out my views and things everyone knows but wont admitt to. And I have been a slayer 3 times and hunter more times then I can count and am in no way jealous of people with high titles. I dont want a title, I want to pvp and have fun doing it win or lose!

[Greeen-_-Ranger]

Thank you much for mezzing the guard at N. Qeynos gates bro.  9 kills off of that /bow. 

[The_Real_Ohno]

Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads?  Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call?  Titles arnt killin PvP, period.  Stop this nonsense.  Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.

Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us.

[CresentBlade]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads?  Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call?  Titles arnt killin PvP, period.  Stop this nonsense.  Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.

Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us.

See you didnt even bother to read you just flip out and start whining afraid your going to lose the sad little title that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You spend all your time hopping/hugging and are NOT playing the game the way SoE has made it for us. You title huggers need to learn how to play this is pvp not protect your fragile ego.

So as you said stop this nonsense.

[Arsmaxx]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads?  Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call?  Titles arnt killin PvP, period.  Stop this nonsense.  Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.

Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us.

+1

[The_Real_Ohno]

CresentBlade wrote:

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads?  Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call?  Titles arnt killin PvP, period.  Stop this nonsense.  Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.

Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us.

See you didnt even bother to read you just flip out and start whining afraid your going to lose the sad little title that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You spend all your time hopping/hugging and are NOT playing the game the way SoE has made it for us. You title huggers need to learn how to play this is pvp not protect your fragile ego.

So as you said stop this nonsense.

Your right, I didnt read your whole whine post OP.  Seen alot of these kind of threads, and guess what, they are low ranked ppl.  Funny eh?

I for one dont play this game like u described, just goes to show u really dont have any clue what its like to have a higher title.  Some do play like this, but some dont.  Can say that with almost anythin in EQ2. 

Sorry to hear that u suck at PvP and cant even get a Hunter title, but lets just get rid of the whole title system because U dont know how to use it...

Reminds me of the Bruiser askin for a Ranger nerf thread, are u guys brothers?

[CresentBlade]

[CresentBlade]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

CresentBlade wrote:

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads?  Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call?  Titles arnt killin PvP, period.  Stop this nonsense.  Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.

Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us.

See you didnt even bother to read you just flip out and start whining afraid your going to lose the sad little title that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You spend all your time hopping/hugging and are NOT playing the game the way SoE has made it for us. You title huggers need to learn how to play this is pvp not protect your fragile ego.

So as you said stop this nonsense.

Your right, I didnt read your whole whine post OP.  Seen alot of these kind of threads, and guess what, they are low ranked ppl.  Funny eh?

I for one dont play this game like u described, just goes to show u really dont have any clue what its like to have a higher title.  Some do play like this, but some dont.  Can say that with almost anythin in EQ2. 

Sorry to hear that u suck at PvP and cant even get a Hunter title, but lets just get rid of the whole title system because U dont know how to use it...

Reminds me of the Bruiser askin for a Ranger nerf thread, are u guys brothers?

I can clearly see you cant read. I have had titles up to slayer, you have the weakest defense I have ever heard of. This has nothing to do with class nerfing, is your life so sad that you need a title in game to make your self feel good? You seem to attack alot of people on this forum probably for the same reason you desperatly need a title.

I know how to play very well thank you and I play one of the tougher if not toughest classes, what class are you playing? You take this whole thing as personal perhaps you should get some real life friends that can be supportive to your needs. You jump from saying I am whining to now I am nerfing and of course cant play the game...I am just so confused.

Dont worry we still love you and will be there for you during your time of need.

[The_Real_Ohno]

U made it to Slayer... WOW Gratz dude! 

Your whole thread is weak.

U know some ppl actualy worked for there title, even solo at that!  Just because you no good at keepin/gainin titles doesnt mean the Title system is bad.

Casters are for grps, I have even seen Master Casters... L2P

[CresentBlade]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

U made it to Slayer... WOW Gratz dude! 

Your whole thread is weak.

U know some ppl actualy worked for there title, even solo at that!  Just because you no good at keepin/gainin titles doesnt mean the Title system is bad.

Casters are for grps, I have even seen Master Casters... L2P

Worked how? Must be rough camping the zone line. Farming second accounts or guildmate alts is some tough work. Those demanding hours of hanging out with the guards. Casters can solo just as well as group I have no problem doing so.

But all kidding aside I guess I should give you props for getting a high title on a ranger, I know how tough scouts have it. So GREAT JOB you earned it!!!

[The_Real_Ohno]

I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter

[Norrsken]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter

Now that is actually rather cool.

[Kneemin]

I'm sorry, I just could not pass this whine thread up. You can just go to a little hole in the wall somewhere b/c titles do not lower pvp in fact, the higher i get, the MORE fights i get... hmm how about that one? Second off, Yes i shout "are they titled?" but you know why? Just lets me know how strong they are and whether or not I should try to solo the 2-3 guys that are killing ppl in such place, or if i have to grab a few guildies to kick them out. Third off, yes, you have had slayer, big whoop, some ppl just aren't made to solo their CASTER to champ title like I did (and it almost never involved zone lines, unless the guy i was chasing was zone humping).  Getting beyond champ, ya that usually takes a group b/c almost no Qs run destroyers/champ/dread without a group.  But my gank squad, consists of only 3, me, healer, and a tank. Before any more of you start crying nerf titles, go see how much pvp they actually START.  Once you get beyond slayer, the pvp will come to YOU, and you will say "HOLY [Removed for Content] there is soo much pvp goin on right now!" (In T7 you might have to get champ to get pvp to come find you, but im not a T7 pvper on any of my 4 pvp alts so I don't know) I said it before and I'll say it again just to get it across, titles are also helpful so you can gauge your battles, if i see an OJ con titleless, ya, im going to atk him, but if hes got a decent title (dest +), im going to assume not only is he at least 3 lvls (5 if in 8 range) higher than me, he prolly knows waht hes doing too, better not engage him.

[Tatate]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads?  Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call?  Titles arnt killin PvP, period.  Stop this nonsense.  Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.

Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us.

I have a 'Champion' title and agree the title system needs a revamp, or needs to be removed. I wouldn't cry if SOE took away titles. Ohnoez, you call skill standing in a high place that is hard to get to and picking people off skill? That's what Rangers do right?

[Tatate]

Sorry Ohnoez, I don't mean to be implying you don't have skill. I take back my comment about Rangers. Either way, I don't really care what SOE does with titles, whatever. If I look hard enough I will find PVP. If people decide to run I can usually stop them easily enough with two snares and cheapshot/ Blackjack.

[Geynos]

Why ask for titles?

1. Gauging battles (as people before me have said)

2. Deciding if it is worth it to run across a zone to attack them. If there are a couple title-less people shouted out all the way across antonica or CL, they just aren't worth going to find. They are almost never fun to fight. They usually have crappy gear and crappy spells and do not give a sense of satisfaction to beat. It isn't worth running across a zone to find them. I find a lot of untitled people already and kill the ones in my path, its just not worth it to go way out of your way to *maybe* find them.

 Now if someone shouts about a group of slayers, well, that could be fun. Time for a 1v4 or so

A grp of destroyer/champions: "/gu Get to WFP now we're rolling."

People ask about titles for the above two reasons. We are in search of good pvp, rather than random Q noobs to kill. Maybe I'm just jaded.. but I guess thats what happens when you pvp a lot. So if you don't want to be considered "random Q noob" by all means, please get to at least slayer off the random freep noobs.

[Greggthegrmreapr]

I'm bouncing between champion and dreadnaught, and I think they are pointless.  So no, its not always the untitled people that say this.

If I could hide it, I would, but I'm not gonna go suicide myself to get rid of it.

[Borias]

Titles matter a little bit, but not a lot.  I still see Hunters/Slayers running from people that can't take fame from them as much, if not more than the Generals I see around.  Granted what seems to seperate the freep generals from the destroyers is the ability to have more than 1 source of evac, or to make sure 80% of the group can evac.

To be honest titles aren't the biggest problem, it's the cowards that won't refuse to fight anything other than overwhelming odds in their favor.  All the Billy Bad [Removed for Content] that talk [I cannot control my vocabulary] on the forums and on their Q alts won't even do 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 fights.  It has to be their 2 v 1.  Nothing as dumb as collecting up 6-10 freeps at the TT spires with 1 group, all evaced, and watch them all call out 2 at a time.

To those that say you don't bother with people with no titles and are low level- I guess you can't use the "I'm waiting for faction to unlock" card anymore then.  And kill counts must not matter either, just titles.  And T3 titles mean pretty much jack [I cannot control my vocabulary].  Oh snap your 5 skills are better than his 5 skills.

*Edit* If you really want to fight good Q's- level your [Removed for Content] up and join in the T7 pvp.  We will be waiting to see just how good you really are.

[CresentBlade]

Kneemin@Nagafen wrote:

I'm sorry, I just could not pass this whine thread up. You can just go to a little hole in the wall somewhere b/c titles do not lower pvp in fact, the higher i get, the MORE fights i get... hmm how about that one? They do lower the amount of pvp, I am a caster and use to get jumped by people all the time. Now the same people that use to jump have titles so they avoid combat more now for fear of losing their titles. I use not to need a title because I am a caster and most people consider easy targets so will come after any way. I am now having to go out of my way to find pvp and then they run when I do find them unless they out number 3 to 1. Titles = less fights Second off, Yes i shout "are they titled?" but you know why? Just lets me know how strong they are and whether or not I should try to solo the 2-3 guys that are killing ppl in such place, or if i have to grab a few guildies to kick them out. I have seen many fights break out in chat because of this question and because the person who ususally ask it wont go if they are not titled. This has been happening alot. If they have a title they wont risk it. When I played a Swash a long time ago I would group with people who wouldnt waste their time on non titled people (or even titled unless it would raise their title) for fear of losing their title to a lower title. Third off, yes, you have had slayer, big whoop, some ppl just aren't made to solo their CASTER to champ title like I did (and it almost never involved zone lines, unless the guy i was chasing was zone humping).  Getting beyond champ, ya that usually takes a group b/c almost no Qs run destroyers/champ/dread without a group.  But my gank squad, consists of only 3, me, healer, and a tank. Grats to you for having a high titled caster, what class are you playing now? Before any more of you start crying nerf titles, go see how much pvp they actually START.  Once you get beyond slayer, the pvp will come to YOU, and you will say "HOLY [I cannot control my vocabulary] there is soo much pvp goin on right now!" (In T7 you might have to get champ to get pvp to come find you, but im not a T7 pvper on any of my 4 pvp alts so I don't know) I notice how you dont even mention that I say remove or reworked just focus on nerf. If they did what I wanted it would not be a nerf because when they nerf a class it is still around, this would be gone completely. I said it before and I'll say it again just to get it across, titles are also helpful so you can gauge your battles, if i see an OJ con titleless, ya, im going to atk him, but if hes got a decent title (dest +), im going to assume not only is he at least 3 lvls (5 if in 8 range) higher than me, he prolly knows waht hes doing too, better not engage him. I have fought and destroyed titled people that didnt run away and have had more trouble with untitled people because more often then not when you pvp alot you dont have a title or have a real low one because you dont run from 75% of the fights.

Fame comes when people know you by name and know your a good pvper, real pvpers dont need titles. Most of the people who attack anyone talking about changing or removing titles know that they would not have people talk about their super pvp skills with out them having a title. I know a couple of players already that make anyone with a title run and these people dont even have a titles.

Titles dont mean a thing to anyone but the person sporting it and even then to alot of them it doesnt mean jack either. Titles are making for less and less pvp and I will stand firm by this. Just because you dont see many people talking about it hear doesnt mean a thing, in game everyday I hear people laughing about complaining about the title huggers running away or zone hopping. All you have to do is turn on your chat and you can plain and clearly see titles are NOT helping pvp.

[CresentBlade]

Borias@Venekor wrote:

Titles matter a little bit, but not a lot.  I still see Hunters/Slayers running from people that can't take fame from them as much, if not more than the Generals I see around.  Granted what seems to seperate the freep generals from the destroyers is the ability to have more than 1 source of evac, or to make sure 80% of the group can evac. I agree I see heavy running on both sides with titled players involed.

To be honest titles aren't the biggest problem, it's the cowards that won't refuse to fight anything other than overwhelming odds in their favor.  All the Billy Bad [Removed for Content] that talk [I cannot control my vocabulary] on the forums and on their Q alts won't even do 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 fights.  It has to be their 2 v 1.  Nothing as dumb as collecting up 6-10 freeps at the TT spires with 1 group, all evaced, and watch them all call out 2 at a time. This is part of the problem also. Perhaps I am just a old school gamer but I remeber the days of pvp rangeing from Quake-Doom-EQ1-UO and many others where people fought not worried about titles or KvD ratios. You die, so what you respawn and give it another shot and had fun. I dont know if its just kids nowadays or people over all but all this being afraid to die in a game thing makes no sense what so ever. EQ2 gave people a level range so they would not have to fight people 30+ levels higher then them in the hopes that they would enjoy pvp more. As it is now even with the low level spreads people still only want to fight other people the max level below them.

Evac should be removed. Zoning while in combat should be removed. And run speed should be just like EQ1 based off your health, the lower your health the slower you move because your character is badly beaten up. No more of this 30-90% run speed when your at 20% health.

To those that say you don't bother with people with no titles and are low level- I guess you can't use the "I'm waiting for faction to unlock" card anymore then.  And kill counts must not matter either, just titles.  And T3 titles mean pretty much jack [I cannot control my vocabulary].  Oh snap your 5 skills are better than his 5 skills.

*Edit* If you really want to fight good Q's- level your [I cannot control my vocabulary] up and join in the T7 pvp.  We will be waiting to see just how good you really are. I am trying to fast as I can, was hopeing to level just off pvp but since it is so hard to find gonna have to start leveling off of PvE also. I use to level lock on my old Swashy and never realized that the higher level you get the more stuff you can do and the more fun you can have (Sounds stupid but alot of people think this way I guess). At 29 my Coercer is starting to come into power and I am able to do alot more things then I use too. I look forward to kicking your butt once I get to Teir 7

On a side note to all the pvpers out there that like calling pve severs carebear....you should probably stop because compared to other pvp games the pvp in EQ2 IS carebear

Not saying I dont like it just pointing out the facts.

[CresentBlade]

Geynos@Venekor wrote:

Why ask for titles?

1. Gauging battles (as people before me have said)

2. Deciding if it is worth it to run across a zone to attack them. If there are a couple title-less people shouted out all the way across antonica or CL, they just aren't worth going to find. They are almost never fun to fight. They usually have crappy gear and crappy spells and do not give a sense of satisfaction to beat. It isn't worth running across a zone to find them. I find a lot of untitled people already and kill the ones in my path, its just not worth it to go way out of your way to *maybe* find them.

 Now if someone shouts about a group of slayers, well, that could be fun. Time for a 1v4 or so  I must admitt I have never seen a title go after 4 others, its more often then not 4 other titles chasing after 1 titled.

A grp of destroyer/champions: "/gu Get to WFP now we're rolling."

People ask about titles for the above two reasons. We are in search of good pvp, rather than random Q noobs to kill. Maybe I'm just jaded.. but I guess thats what happens when you pvp a lot. So if you don't want to be considered "random Q noob" by all means, please get to at least slayer off the random freep noobs.

I saw you all in force the other day what school is the guild from? Just wondering since your tag doesnt show the rest

[CresentBlade]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter

And you bust my chops about only hitting slayer!

THATS IT!!!  I am so gonna kick your butt in game now (maybe)

[CresentBlade]

Popsi@Nagafen wrote:

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads?  Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call?  Titles arnt killin PvP, period.  Stop this nonsense.  Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.

Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us.

+1

Your post confused me.... +1?

I know I am slow some times so can you please explain?

[dr4gonUK]

Titles are a measure of success in pvp, nothing more.

The only thing that needs changing with titles is how a group can get fame/infamy from a solo, or raids from a group.

Hard to take seriously anything posted by a lvl 29* scrub tbh.

Play the game for a bit before coming here and posting flamebait imo. Oh wait, let me guess, you have a 70 on a pvp server already but failed in t7 so rolled a t3 toon?

Peace.

edit:*

[CresentBlade]

Herne@Nagafen wrote:

Titles are a measure of success in pvp, nothing more.

The only thing that needs changing with titles is how a group can get fame/infamy from a solo, or raids from a group.

Hard to take seriously anything posted by a lvl 29* scrub tbh.

Play the game for a bit before coming here and posting flamebait imo. Oh wait, let me guess, you have a 70 on a pvp server already but failed in t7 so rolled a t3 toon?

Peace.

edit:*

Wow what is it with you people that play rangers and attacking people on the forums, kinda goes hand in hand. Hard to take anything serious posted by a ranger. /shrug You do realize this is not a nerf evac thread right?

[Rabbitoh]

I would gladly give up my title if it gave me more pvp and stopped people from hacking, cliff diving and the rest of the BS that goes on.

Sadly most high titles are not a reflection of a players skill, it is a reflection of the class they play, how they group, or how they run.

If you evac enough, camp out when you big atacks on long timers are down, only pvp in groups/raids and run alot, you too can have a high title, but I can't see why people pay $15 a month to do that.

Ranger General Molok, Viligalante guild.

[CresentBlade]

Rabbitoh wrote:

I would gladly give up my title if it gave me more pvp and stopped people from hacking, cliff diving and the rest of the BS that goes on.

Sadly most high titles are not a reflection of a players skill, it is a reflection of the class they play, how they group, or how they run.

If you evac enough, camp out when you big atacks on long timers are down, only pvp in groups/raids and run alot, you too can have a high title, but I can't see why people pay $15 a month to do that.

Ranger General Molok, Viligalante guild.

YAY! A nice Ranger!

[Shikamaru]

Titles are boring

[Firam]

CresentBlade wrote:

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter

And you bust my chops about only hitting slayer!

THATS IT!!!  I am so gonna kick your butt in game now (maybe)

I'm pretty sure the wink was his "I'm kidding" hint.  I believe the last time I saw Ohnoez running around a few days ago he was an Overseer.  And that's not surprising from a ranger... quite simply the best at fame farming right now with the tools they have available.  Nothing like sitting at 45m+, usually on a plateau or somewhere out of sight, and ganking one person with burst DPS then running away at 80% sprint speed, hiding, and waiting on cooldowns.  Mmmm mmm good, satisfaction through and through. This would also explain his first reponse in this thread where he got sullen and angry and told you basically to L2P, even though you had a good point.  He can't discuss/argue the topic coherently with you, because he happens to BE one of the fame-huggers that can't see past their own title.  Ah well. It'll probably take another 2-6 months before SoE actually does anything about this because they are legendary in their ability to ignore mass customer complaints until A) it reaches an absolute breaking point or B) another game/expansion comes out and threatens sales.  Until then, we just have to wait.  And keep posting about it.  If enough people show they really care (or in this case, don't care) about the titles, maybe we can finally get them removed or get the ability to lock our own fame at 0 to step outside the whole system and play how we want to.

[Firam]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote:

Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads?  Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call?  Titles arnt killin PvP, period.  Stop this nonsense.  Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.

Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us.

it's not unranked people that dislike the title system.  how about actually reading some of the posts in these threads and putting together a coherent response instead of desperately trying to protect your own title. i'll point you to this post of mine if you'd like an example of what I think should be done with the system.  for your information, on my characters that i've played even semi seriously as PvPers, I've hit General, Dreadnaught, Dreadnaught, and Destroyer (destroyer is the 35 exiled illusionist that I just started and only play occasionally).  if they let me strip away all of that fame with a single command and never gain it back again I would do it in a SECOND.  there are other Champions+ who feel the same way.  quite a few of us, actually.  fame and the title system is a joke, and it does far, far more damage to the PvP dynamic than any benefit it might lend. you have no idea who or what you're talking about here, so I'd recommend you stay out of the conversation until you can get your wits about you and start making relevant and useful responses.