KoS /yell issue that needs to be looked at ASAP!

IBSomnifer · 02-24-2006, 07:32 PM

As i'm sure some of you know...there is a issue with yelling for help on some of the islands in KoS. Some of the islands are too SMALL to yell for help and run away and loose agro. So you either DIE, evac, or FD....for those without FD, or evac...your done for lol. It might have been the purpose of the island to be a death trap....but i dont think so. You can't hop on clouds to get away from mobs, because anything engaged on YOU prevents flight. Not that the clouds arn't bugged to hell and back anyway lol. Most of them don't "take off" they just spin you arround till it "frees" itself from the platform. And Devs....don't ask me what island or platform are having issues...cause apparently you are supposed to be playing the game. If you havn't seen this issue, you obviously arn't lol.

I'm just about done with this game now. But i wanted to let yall know for the sake of the people who still will have trouble with this.

Huna · 02-24-2006, 07:56 PM

I think last night when I yelled and hit esc to clear target, it would let me get on a cloud. I know it let me zone, after yelling, because I was in Barren Sky, getting beat up, yelled zoned into TT with about 20% health, used bind wounds, got attacked, yelled and zoned back into Barren Sky. So, I'm not positive it lets you use the clouds, but I know it does let you zone.

IBSomnifer · 02-24-2006, 08:39 PM

yes it lets you zone. I'm talking about the clouds....the only way off most of the islands are them. Just like the carpets in DoF...you can't fly if you are being beat on. Thereion lies the problem hehe

Ganlu · 02-24-2006, 08:40 PM

I think this was intended, as it prevents you from pulling to the cloud then immediately escaping if something goes wrong.

IBSomnifer · 02-24-2006, 08:46 PM

Then they need to shorten the leash on mobs that you have /yelled to run from. At that point theres nothing you can do but die. Thats not a reasonable solution to this problem(die). this is from my lvl 60 ranger and a lvl 60^ mob I was getting eatten alive from. with full legendary gear and weapons, and almost all adept 3s. its just sad lol.

Dweedleb · 02-24-2006, 08:49 PM

I think the bigger issue that I have noticed is that mobs are now training onto other players. If someone who is running through an area and gets proximity aggro from a bunch of mobs, the mobs seem to dump off on the next person that player passes if that player is activly fighting the same type of mob.

This happened to me about 6 times last night. I would be fighting and a group would run through the area and the 7 mobs chasing them would dump on to me as they ran passed.

This needs to be changed so that if someone aggros a mob, it locks to them automaticaly even if they do no damage. Currently I think you have to do damage to lock an encounter

Message Edited by Dweedlebug on 02-24-200607:58 AM

IBSomnifer · 02-24-2006, 08:51 PM

yes i've seen this too. Its very annoying to train and be trained. They had fixed this along time ago i think before DoF...and it worked back then. But now its showing its ugly head again.

Pins · 02-24-2006, 08:57 PM

Or you could just take the death, and revive and continue on with the game. You are not always meant to be able to get away from mobs all the time. There has to be some risk, and that risk is you can't get away from mobs all the time. Instead you can get away from them 90% of the time.

Money Mak · 02-24-2006, 09:02 PM

Not the best option, but make an /unequip macro. Youll have to look it up somewhere here to get it.

So after you /yell, use the unequip macro to go naked, die, revive. No more aggro. Its the wonderful game mechanics we are given.

IBSomnifer · 02-24-2006, 09:33 PM

You seriously think DIE is a ok option for this? how about being able to climb onto a carpet of cloud while being hit. I see no reason to lock you from it.

Dweedleb · 02-24-2006, 09:56 PM

Because the clouds, griffons and carpets are not designed to be used as a method of escape for players that pull things they can't handle.

I don't really get the big deal with dying anyway. There is almost no penalty for it at this point anyway

Aven Elonis · 02-24-2006, 10:09 PM

Understood, but the some of these isles are small enough or have so much arrgo on them, that "typical" running away options are not available.

I'd like to see the "I'll chase you range" cut a bit, relative to the size of the isle, etc.

Message Edited by Aven Elonis on 02-24-200612:10 PM

xaria · 02-24-2006, 10:15 PM

OMG! Quit wasting time complaining about stupid stuff like this... it is meant to be this way, you all want things too easy. What do you want next God Mode?! Play and quit whining!

Dweedleb · 02-24-2006, 10:16 PM

Heh, in EQ1, mobs NEVER stopped chasing you unless you zoned.

jeanjuedi · 02-25-2006, 01:08 AM

xariann wrote:
OMG! Quit wasting time complaining about stupid stuff like this... it is meant to be this way, you all want things too easy. What do you want next God Mode?! Play and quit whining!

Please do not contribute if you have nothing to really say to this issue.

Anyways, it is indeed something that needs to get looked at. I was deep down in the Sanctum and the group was about to wipe on a named, so we evacced and yelled. Guess what, the mob followed us to the entrance of the zone and proceeded to continue killing the group. Do you think that this is intended? And then, after killing the group, it stayed at the zone entrance killing everyone else that was there as well.

I have see this on other islands as well, mobs warping to you even aftera /yell and evac. So there is an issue to be looking into.

BlkVpr · 02-25-2006, 03:55 AM

Yes thank you for being one of the first to make this lovely point. While working on the in the name of marr quests I occassionally pull social aggro from the droags due to a bad pull angle on my part...ok fine. But then someone else runs past with 8 mobs in tow, and oh I was attacking one of their own, so I instantly got wiped by an aggro dump.

BlkVpr · 02-25-2006, 03:55 AM

*edit* Accidental double post.

Message Edited by BlkVpr on 02-24-200602:56 PM

hugorune · 02-25-2006, 04:37 AM

Dweedlebug wrote:
Heh, in EQ1, mobs NEVER stopped chasing you unless you zoned.

ahh yes, I remember the times at Blackburrow zone entrance waiting for the train of nasty high-level mobs just inside to either get done in by some helpful high-level character(s), or get bored of killing the stragglers who would step inside just to see if the train had gone back down SMILEY

kenm · 02-25-2006, 04:45 AM

xariann wrote:
OMG! Quit wasting time complaining about stupid stuff like this... it is meant to be this way, you all want things too easy. What do you want next God Mode?! Play and quit whining!

I'm confused, how exactly is it hard to have something spawn on top of you that you can easily outrun but have no choice but to die due to the gigantic range it chases you in? Not only is death completely trivial, it gives you more than enough time to unequip all your gear to make it more so.

It's not remotely difficult, punishing, or anything other than annoying...

jeanjuedi · 02-25-2006, 05:12 AM

hugorune wrote:
Dweedlebug wrote:
Heh, in EQ1, mobs NEVER stopped chasing you unless you zoned.
ahh yes, I remember the times at Blackburrow zone entrance waiting for the train of nasty high-level mobs just inside to either get done in by some helpful high-level character(s), or get bored of killing the stragglers who would step inside just to see if the train had gone back down

I remember soloing as a necro in the OT and fearing mobs then running in a different direction to save my but. I also remember those same mobs suddenly remembering that they hated you 10 minutes after you feared them and the would come chasing you from halfway across the zone!

Magu · 02-25-2006, 08:56 AM

Mobs training onto other players is not a bug, it's because they are social. If you don't damage a mob, they will defend their friends if they pass them.

Dweedleb · 02-25-2006, 08:03 PM

Well then they are going to start getting a whole lot of reports on players training mob's onto other players.So far I had one person do it to me on purpose while I was fighting a named, so he could kill the named after a had to run away or die.

02-24-2006, 07:32 PM	#1
IBSomnifer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 206	As i'm sure some of you know...there is a issue with yelling for help on some of the islands in KoS. Some of the islands are too SMALL to yell for help and run away and loose agro. So you either DIE, evac, or FD....for those without FD, or evac...your done for lol. It might have been the purpose of the island to be a death trap....but i dont think so. You can't hop on clouds to get away from mobs, because anything engaged on YOU prevents flight. Not that the clouds arn't bugged to hell and back anyway lol. Most of them don't "take off" they just spin you arround till it "frees" itself from the platform. And Devs....don't ask me what island or platform are having issues...cause apparently you are supposed to be playing the game. If you havn't seen this issue, you obviously arn't lol. I'm just about done with this game now. But i wanted to let yall know for the sake of the people who still will have trouble with this. __________________ 70ranger/70alch - 61SK/63provi- AB server

02-24-2006, 07:56 PM	#2
Huna Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 215	I think last night when I yelled and hit esc to clear target, it would let me get on a cloud. I know it let me zone, after yelling, because I was in Barren Sky, getting beat up, yelled zoned into TT with about 20% health, used bind wounds, got attacked, yelled and zoned back into Barren Sky. So, I'm not positive it lets you use the clouds, but I know it does let you zone. __________________ Drayden 70 Berserker/ 44+Tailor The Brethren Kithicor Server

02-24-2006, 08:39 PM	#3
IBSomnifer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 206	yes it lets you zone. I'm talking about the clouds....the only way off most of the islands are them. Just like the carpets in DoF...you can't fly if you are being beat on. Thereion lies the problem hehe __________________ 70ranger/70alch - 61SK/63provi- AB server

02-24-2006, 08:40 PM	#4
Ganlu General Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 315	I think this was intended, as it prevents you from pulling to the cloud then immediately escaping if something goes wrong. __________________

02-24-2006, 08:46 PM	#5
IBSomnifer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 206	Then they need to shorten the leash on mobs that you have /yelled to run from. At that point theres nothing you can do but die. Thats not a reasonable solution to this problem(die). this is from my lvl 60 ranger and a lvl 60^ mob I was getting eatten alive from. with full legendary gear and weapons, and almost all adept 3s. its just sad lol. __________________ 70ranger/70alch - 61SK/63provi- AB server

02-24-2006, 08:49 PM	#6
Dweedleb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 79	I think the bigger issue that I have noticed is that mobs are now training onto other players. If someone who is running through an area and gets proximity aggro from a bunch of mobs, the mobs seem to dump off on the next person that player passes if that player is activly fighting the same type of mob. This happened to me about 6 times last night. I would be fighting and a group would run through the area and the 7 mobs chasing them would dump on to me as they ran passed. This needs to be changed so that if someone aggros a mob, it locks to them automaticaly even if they do no damage. Currently I think you have to do damage to lock an encounter Message Edited by Dweedlebug on 02-24-200607:58 AM __________________ Dweedlebug 70 Ratonga Swashbuckler 60 Weaponsmith

02-24-2006, 08:51 PM	#7
IBSomnifer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 206	yes i've seen this too. Its very annoying to train and be trained. They had fixed this along time ago i think before DoF...and it worked back then. But now its showing its ugly head again. __________________ 70ranger/70alch - 61SK/63provi- AB server

02-24-2006, 08:57 PM	#8
Pins General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,040	Or you could just take the death, and revive and continue on with the game. You are not always meant to be able to get away from mobs all the time. There has to be some risk, and that risk is you can't get away from mobs all the time. Instead you can get away from them 90% of the time. __________________ Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Dissolution on Nektulos Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

02-24-2006, 09:02 PM	#9
Money Mak Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Not the best option, but make an /unequip macro. Youll have to look it up somewhere here to get it. So after you /yell, use the unequip macro to go naked, die, revive. No more aggro. Its the wonderful game mechanics we are given. __________________ Razer ~ 70Ranger/68 Provisioner ~ TLW ~ Crushbone Beholder ~ 47 Coercer/45 Sage ~ Fluffy Bunny ~ Venekor

02-24-2006, 09:33 PM	#10
IBSomnifer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 206	You seriously think DIE is a ok option for this? how about being able to climb onto a carpet of cloud while being hit. I see no reason to lock you from it. __________________ 70ranger/70alch - 61SK/63provi- AB server

02-24-2006, 09:56 PM	#11
Dweedleb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 79	Because the clouds, griffons and carpets are not designed to be used as a method of escape for players that pull things they can't handle. I don't really get the big deal with dying anyway. There is almost no penalty for it at this point anyway __________________ Dweedlebug 70 Ratonga Swashbuckler 60 Weaponsmith

02-24-2006, 10:09 PM	#12
Aven Elonis Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 273	Understood, but the some of these isles are small enough or have so much arrgo on them, that "typical" running away options are not available. I'd like to see the "I'll chase you range" cut a bit, relative to the size of the isle, etc. Message Edited by Aven Elonis on 02-24-200612:10 PM

02-24-2006, 10:15 PM	#13
xaria Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7	OMG! Quit wasting time complaining about stupid stuff like this... it is meant to be this way, you all want things too easy. What do you want next God Mode?! Play and quit whining!

02-24-2006, 10:16 PM	#14
Dweedleb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 79	Heh, in EQ1, mobs NEVER stopped chasing you unless you zoned. __________________ Dweedlebug 70 Ratonga Swashbuckler 60 Weaponsmith

02-25-2006, 01:08 AM	#15
jeanjuedi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 124	xariann wrote: OMG! Quit wasting time complaining about stupid stuff like this... it is meant to be this way, you all want things too easy. What do you want next God Mode?! Play and quit whining! Please do not contribute if you have nothing to really say to this issue. Anyways, it is indeed something that needs to get looked at. I was deep down in the Sanctum and the group was about to wipe on a named, so we evacced and yelled. Guess what, the mob followed us to the entrance of the zone and proceeded to continue killing the group. Do you think that this is intended? And then, after killing the group, it stayed at the zone entrance killing everyone else that was there as well. I have see this on other islands as well, mobs warping to you even aftera /yell and evac. So there is an issue to be looking into. __________________ Phobic Lvl 70 Necromancer Co-Leader of Nocturnal Souls (level 60 guild) Crushbone

02-25-2006, 03:55 AM	#16
BlkVpr Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 117	Yes thank you for being one of the first to make this lovely point. While working on the in the name of marr quests I occassionally pull social aggro from the droags due to a bad pull angle on my part...ok fine. But then someone else runs past with 8 mobs in tow, and oh I was attacking one of their own, so I instantly got wiped by an aggro dump.

02-25-2006, 03:55 AM	#17
BlkVpr Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 117	edit Accidental double post. Message Edited by BlkVpr on 02-24-200602:56 PM

02-25-2006, 04:37 AM	#18
hugorune Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9	Dweedlebug wrote: Heh, in EQ1, mobs NEVER stopped chasing you unless you zoned. ahh yes, I remember the times at Blackburrow zone entrance waiting for the train of nasty high-level mobs just inside to either get done in by some helpful high-level character(s), or get bored of killing the stragglers who would step inside just to see if the train had gone back down

02-25-2006, 04:45 AM	#19
kenm General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 419	xariann wrote: OMG! Quit wasting time complaining about stupid stuff like this... it is meant to be this way, you all want things too easy. What do you want next God Mode?! Play and quit whining! I'm confused, how exactly is it hard to have something spawn on top of you that you can easily outrun but have no choice but to die due to the gigantic range it chases you in? Not only is death completely trivial, it gives you more than enough time to unequip all your gear to make it more so. It's not remotely difficult, punishing, or anything other than annoying... __________________ ---

02-25-2006, 05:12 AM	#20
jeanjuedi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 124	hugorune wrote: Dweedlebug wrote: Heh, in EQ1, mobs NEVER stopped chasing you unless you zoned. ahh yes, I remember the times at Blackburrow zone entrance waiting for the train of nasty high-level mobs just inside to either get done in by some helpful high-level character(s), or get bored of killing the stragglers who would step inside just to see if the train had gone back down I remember soloing as a necro in the OT and fearing mobs then running in a different direction to save my but. I also remember those same mobs suddenly remembering that they hated you 10 minutes after you feared them and the would come chasing you from halfway across the zone! __________________ Phobic Lvl 70 Necromancer Co-Leader of Nocturnal Souls (level 60 guild) Crushbone

02-25-2006, 08:56 AM	#21
Magu Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,332	Mobs training onto other players is not a bug, it's because they are social. If you don't damage a mob, they will defend their friends if they pass them.

02-25-2006, 08:03 PM	#22
Dweedleb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 79	Well then they are going to start getting a whole lot of reports on players training mob's onto other players.So far I had one person do it to me on purpose while I was fighting a named, so he could kill the named after a had to run away or die. __________________ Dweedlebug 70 Ratonga Swashbuckler 60 Weaponsmith