Life: Brigand 'Amazing Reflexes' bugged

urgl · 11-23-2006, 02:36 PM

It's hardly proc'ing at all.And when it procs, then it doesn't seem to prevent from anything.All in all it looks like it may prevent like 1 indirect AoE per full raiding week. As Master I.2 possibilities:a) This is a BUG and not working as intended.b) It really was intended to change 'Amazing Reflexes' from a permanent buff to "maybe prevent from one indirect AoE once within 20 hours of raiding". But then keeping the old name is the BUG. The only thing 'amazing' about these 'reflexes' is that they are 'amazing useless'.

Zagats · 11-28-2006, 02:28 AM

Urgl is completely right.

It rarely procs, and when it does, 5 secs duration is not long enough to save you from AoE effects. (the smart players will have already run out of AoE range).

It certainly does NOT proc at 28%.

We've beaten this dead horse over and over again on the brigand forums, but sad to say, Urgl, no one at SOE really seems to care what we think.

Kegofbud · 11-28-2006, 02:41 AM

On the positive side, with the Tenure AA it lasts 5.7 seconds of not doing much at all! It's truely useless and can't be depended upon in any way. Even when you know the AE is 10 seconds away, it is absolutely useless.

Akacia · 11-28-2006, 02:43 AM

It's cool though there was like 5 posts Ninja'd in this thread about what people think............. owned by the moderator, to bad SoE just could care a less about what we think SMILEY

Message Edited by Akacia on 11-27-2006 01:44 PM

Sellies · 11-29-2006, 04:09 AM

It does proc. It does work. It IS useful.

Land · 11-29-2006, 01:41 PM

'It does proc. It does work. It IS useful'

Its proc- yes, sometimes.

It works- IF it proc -yes

It is useful - NO! .. u cant rely on a proc. Especially on a 25%/5second proc (neither on 38%/5.7 seconds - maxed by AA and Master). Its only useful on moderate AE which u can eat anyway.

I dont want the old AR back- but pls change it to something useful, not depending on luck and spaming CAs.

Message Edited by Landra on 11-29-2006 12:42 AM

Message Edited by Landra on 11-29-2006 12:43 AM

Zagats · 11-29-2006, 11:20 PM

Sellies, you seem to be one of the very very few who think this ability is good. You dont seem to understand that anything that's based on luck is not reliable, and therefore, cannot be considered useful.

It MAY keep you from being blasted by an AoE every few blue moons, but you cannot rely on it. You cannot go into a raid and think "wow, all I have to do is pray to Zek and maybe he'll grant me a proc of my aoe immunity!" and actually expect to survive AoE's.

You have to joust them.

ThunderFunky · 11-30-2006, 08:34 PM

Like i have posted many times on the Brigand forum

Its useless in its current form

I have NO issues in jousting - in fact i dont actually mind it

Solution

(1) Put it on a timer eg recastable 100% AOE immune every 5 minutes or so

(2) Take it away and give us something else please

Thats all any raid brigand wants - i love my class - will always love my brigand - jousting aoe's is no big deal - having an ancient teaching that was extremely powerful even overpowered if you wish to take the easy mode root to killing mobs like the matron and then turning it into a joke is the issue

I would trade it for another CA or a DPS proc any day of the week personally

urgl · 12-05-2006, 08:53 PM

urgl wrote:[...]All in all it looks like it may prevent like 1 indirect AoE per full raiding week..

Let me correct this: It is looks more like 1-2 AE-preventions per 3 hours raid. For _some_ raids which have mobs with _weak_ AEs only, that you could have resisted/healed anyways. Some other AEs feel like they are unsresistable by AR (e.g. Shredder).Too bad you can't see AR proc in your log (the same is valid for "Befuddle Adversaries" btw.). So it's hard to get a correct statistics.And still: 1 prevention per 3 hours raid is just nothing.

Message Edited by urgl on 12-05-2006 07:54 AM

11-28-2006, 02:28 AM	#2
Zagats Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 419	Urgl is completely right. It rarely procs, and when it does, 5 secs duration is not long enough to save you from AoE effects. (the smart players will have already run out of AoE range). It certainly does NOT proc at 28%. We've beaten this dead horse over and over again on the brigand forums, but sad to say, Urgl, no one at SOE really seems to care what we think. __________________ 80 Defiler - Lawlz/ 80 Alchy/ Master Tink/ 189AA aka 80 Brig - Brekon/ 80 Jeweler/ Master Tink/ 198 AA Retired!!! 80 Coercer - Freeqq/ Master Tink/ 168 AA 80 Guard - Zomg/ Master Muter/ 192 AA 80 Zerk - Zomg (R.I.P) 80 Zerk - Barn/ 80 Provi/ 162 AA 80 Dirge - Micetro/ 165AA 80 Swash - Erno/ 141 AA 80 Templar - Shortey/ 75 Alchy/ 151 AA 80 Inquis - Ubet (R.I.P) 80 Templar - Ubet (R.I.P) 80 Wiz - Brnd/ 145AA 72Conjy - Zzzz 71 Assasin - Scoole 70 Swash - Bladeflash ... I play too much.

11-28-2006, 02:41 AM	#3
Kegofbud Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 925	On the positive side, with the Tenure AA it lasts 5.7 seconds of not doing much at all! It's truely useless and can't be depended upon in any way. Even when you know the AE is 10 seconds away, it is absolutely useless. __________________ Choatly - 90 Defiler

11-28-2006, 02:43 AM	#4
Akacia Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 62	It's cool though there was like 5 posts Ninja'd in this thread about what people think............. owned by the moderator, to bad SoE just could care a less about what we think Message Edited by Akacia on 11-27-2006 01:44 PM __________________ Glimpse of the Shard 70 Brigand/70 Alchemist 350 Transmute The Collective - Mistmoore

11-29-2006, 01:41 PM	#6
Land Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 17	'It does proc. It does work. It IS useful' Its proc- yes, sometimes. It works- IF it proc -yes It is useful - NO! .. u cant rely on a proc. Especially on a 25%/5second proc (neither on 38%/5.7 seconds - maxed by AA and Master). Its only useful on moderate AE which u can eat anyway. I dont want the old AR back- but pls change it to something useful, not depending on luck and spaming CAs. Message Edited by Landra on 11-29-2006 12:42 AM Message Edited by Landra on 11-29-2006 12:43 AM __________________ Rakorium Brigand 70/75

11-29-2006, 11:20 PM	#7
Zagats Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 419	Sellies, you seem to be one of the very very few who think this ability is good. You dont seem to understand that anything that's based on luck is not reliable, and therefore, cannot be considered useful. It MAY keep you from being blasted by an AoE every few blue moons, but you cannot rely on it. You cannot go into a raid and think "wow, all I have to do is pray to Zek and maybe he'll grant me a proc of my aoe immunity!" and actually expect to survive AoE's. You have to joust them. __________________ 80 Defiler - Lawlz/ 80 Alchy/ Master Tink/ 189AA aka 80 Brig - Brekon/ 80 Jeweler/ Master Tink/ 198 AA Retired!!! 80 Coercer - Freeqq/ Master Tink/ 168 AA 80 Guard - Zomg/ Master Muter/ 192 AA 80 Zerk - Zomg (R.I.P) 80 Zerk - Barn/ 80 Provi/ 162 AA 80 Dirge - Micetro/ 165AA 80 Swash - Erno/ 141 AA 80 Templar - Shortey/ 75 Alchy/ 151 AA 80 Inquis - Ubet (R.I.P) 80 Templar - Ubet (R.I.P) 80 Wiz - Brnd/ 145AA 72Conjy - Zzzz 71 Assasin - Scoole 70 Swash - Bladeflash ... I play too much.

11-23-2006, 02:36 PM	#1
urgl Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 32	It's hardly proc'ing at all.And when it procs, then it doesn't seem to prevent from anything.All in all it looks like it may prevent like 1 indirect AoE per full raiding week. As Master I.2 possibilities:a) This is a BUG and not working as intended.b) It really was intended to change 'Amazing Reflexes' from a permanent buff to "maybe prevent from one indirect AoE once within 20 hours of raiding". But then keeping the old name is the BUG. The only thing 'amazing' about these 'reflexes' is that they are 'amazing useless'.

11-29-2006, 04:09 AM	#5
Sellies Lord Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 34	It does proc. It does work. It IS useful.

11-30-2006, 08:34 PM	#8
ThunderFunky Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 38	Like i have posted many times on the Brigand forum Its useless in its current form I have NO issues in jousting - in fact i dont actually mind it Solution (1) Put it on a timer eg recastable 100% AOE immune every 5 minutes or so (2) Take it away and give us something else please Thats all any raid brigand wants - i love my class - will always love my brigand - jousting aoe's is no big deal - having an ancient teaching that was extremely powerful even overpowered if you wish to take the easy mode root to killing mobs like the matron and then turning it into a joke is the issue I would trade it for another CA or a DPS proc any day of the week personally

12-05-2006, 08:53 PM	#9
urgl Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 32	urgl wrote:[...]All in all it looks like it may prevent like 1 indirect AoE per full raiding week.. Let me correct this: It is looks more like 1-2 AE-preventions per 3 hours raid. For _some_ raids which have mobs with _weak_ AEs only, that you could have resisted/healed anyways. Some other AEs feel like they are unsresistable by AR (e.g. Shredder).Too bad you can't see AR proc in your log (the same is valid for "Befuddle Adversaries" btw.). So it's hard to get a correct statistics.And still: 1 prevention per 3 hours raid is just nothing. Message Edited by urgl on 12-05-2006 07:54 AM