Don't melt the TS ice float!

littleman17 · 08-23-2006, 09:46 AM

Honestly, I do not see the purpose of removing this from the game... It is like the only neutral crafting place in the game.

Call me paranoid, but I prefer to be in the same zone as the rares I am having made into stuff. This is mainly because I find such a few amount of rares that I can actually use for the character I find em.

So please for all of us paranoid people out there that don't like mailing their rares, please do not melt this island away... As I said, there is absolutely NO purpose for taking it away.

Deson · 08-23-2006, 09:55 AM

I dont want it to go because it's a good change of scenery from 4 walls. Unless there are plans to spruce up TS instances and add more scenic TS areas at the same time,this is a most unwelcome change for me. For thos that would say craft in your house, remember that it takes a guild level 25 to get the good crafting stations.Oh! and bad form for blaming us. I'd say it was all teh hot air from pompous adventurers!

Message Edited by Deson on 08-23-2006 02:56 PM

missionarymarr · 08-23-2006, 10:16 AM

I must admit that this one surprised me quite a bit and I would like to hear from the DEVs on the reason for this change. Personally unless it was some sort of performance issue I think they should leave this alone. They have listened to us before on changes so let's hope that they rethink this decision or at the very least give us some reason why it needs to be made. This really seems to be a change out of left field. At least when they removed the newbie quests they explained their reasons for doing so.

Lalkin503 · 08-23-2006, 10:29 AM

Personally I'd like to see it disappear. It just seem wrong to be there.

If a neutral TS location needs to exist it should be put in a more logical place

BlindPari · 08-23-2006, 10:31 AM

I say keep it, its one of the things I enjoy seeing/utilizing in the zone.

Methriln · 08-23-2006, 10:31 AM

Lalkin503 wrote:

Personally I'd like to see it disappear. It just seem wrong to be there.

If a neutral TS location needs to exist it should be put in a more logical place

like the 1 on sol eye? personaly i dont want it to go

Mirdo · 08-23-2006, 10:33 AM

When it first appeared my friends and I speculated on what mysterious purpose a tradeskill Island just there could serve - it turned out there was no mystery - so was a little disapointing.

I would like it to stay - not because I use it but because I view it as a folly. An odd, out of place set of structures where you wouldn't expect to see them. The game needs a few more illogical twists imo, more mysteries.

Mirdo.

ironman2000 · 08-23-2006, 10:35 AM

I never really understood why there were crafting stations on an ice berg anyway? Did this really have a purpose? If not I can't see why it took so long to remove anyway.

firza · 08-23-2006, 10:39 AM

To me that Island represented GRAND ideas for Tradeskillers. In fact it inspired me to create 5 TS alts.

Now only my main made it to T7, and TS has had non of the great ideas proposed by its fans, or devs.

Its kinda like the TS-titanic

ke'la · 08-23-2006, 12:31 PM

first off please don't remove the TS Iceburg, its one of the coolest "huh!?" things in the game, and I... until very resontly am not a tradeskiller and never even consitered using them. I just think its cool to have TS stations just sitting out on an Ice Burg for no reason.

BTW, the Gobal warming is NOT caused by Tradeskillers we all know that those rogue clockworks in Fay'dar put out FAR more green house gases then we tradeskillers ever could.

Liandra · 08-23-2006, 12:32 PM

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=general_tradeskill&message.id=62990#M62990

About a year and a half ago when Frizznik was our TS Dev there were plans to continue the newbie TS quest.

It is a series of quests that will allow you to progress as a tradeskiller. The first level quests will be tied to reading Dreak's Note. It will offer a longer tutorial on how to find a tradeskill society, how to join it, and how to get into tradeskilling. It will show you the difference between the different classes and help you make a more informed decision about which profession you wish to take.

If you have seen the tradeskill island in Everfrost, this is a preview of things to come. I wanted to move tradeskillers out of the damp dark tradeskill dungeon and out into the world for some excitement. The giver of these quests and merchants will be available here. There will be tradeskill areas set up in Nektulos, Steppes, Enchanted Lands, and Everfrost. I tried to get to the places that they will be with a level 3 adventurer and didn't have so much trouble as long as I was careful, so adventure level shouldn't be an issue, especially if you can get friends to help you out.

The quests after the extended tutorial will first teach you how to do batch refines. This means if you have 20 Metal Clusters, 20 Tempers, and 20 Fuels then you can produce 20 Metal Bars at once.

The next set of quests will teach you how to create items more quickly, they will upgrade your recipes so that they only require half of the progress that was previously needed.

The final set of quests will net you different pieces of tradeskill clothing that will give you an increase in technique that your profession uses.

This is a lot of quests, and a lot of work but I am working as quickly as possible to get these additions in. I will post more information on the above issues as they are resolved.

Unfortunately shortly after Frizz left us. We ended up with Beghn again. :smileysad: And this wonderful idea was scrapped leading to the mess that is the TS Revamp.

Anyway, that equipment is left over from then. I cant say i am surprised they are removing it now. It is a shame though.

Spangles · 08-23-2006, 02:02 PM

My own personal view on why the TS stations were available in EF are all to do with the Bone Bladed Claymore HQ. Those that do this HQ get locked out of both starting cities until they have killed 1000 sentient beings, which meant that if you were a tradeskiller as well as an adventurer you could not craft anything. The BBC HQ can be collected from Lvl 40, which just happens to be the same tier as EF hence the TS stations.

I have used those TS stations once, and only because I logged on in EF, got a TS order in the mail and my Call was down. I have to say that I did not enjoy the experience. It happened to be winter in RL and standing there with snow flurries blowing around actually made it feel uncomfortable to TS on the iceflow.

Good riddance I say. As already mentioned, there are cosier TS stations inside Sols Eye and you can access both brokers in Shin Village, so any TSers on BBC HQ can still do what they need to do.

Allowin · 08-23-2006, 02:55 PM

i say please leave them. it always nice to be able to get a /tell from somebody wanting a crafted item right then and there and who offers any amount of money to get it made.before the EF island was put there, you had to buy a ticket to TS or nek, then trade the item, use your call, craft the item, buy another ticket to TS or nek and finish the transaction now your stuck in EF with no call and then you have to do the zone to zone to zone jumping to get home. now you can just both meet in EF, craft the item while they are standing there. and not have to use your call at all unless you want to go back home.and i dont know about you guys, but the idiots who decided to take away all the TS zones but 1 in each city needs to be tied to a post and whipped. on busy days you cant find a ts zone that has less than 50 people in it (friday-sunday).now to make it worse, on our server, we have been having some of the botter groups (and other assorted morons) who have chosen the TS instances to /duel each other. like its not bad enough to have to try and craft with a tiny TS zone filled with 2-3 people per machine, but add in morons who wanna stand infront of your ts machine and /duel.

gm9 · 08-23-2006, 03:03 PM

I'd like it to stay, if only as a monument for the idea that crafting could be so much more than it is today. Oh well...

Uanelven · 08-23-2006, 03:10 PM

Liandra wrote:

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=general_tradeskill&message.id=62990#M62990

About a year and a half ago when Frizznik was our TS Dev there were plans to continue the newbie TS quest.

It is a series of quests that will allow you to progress as a tradeskiller. The first level quests will be tied to reading Dreak's Note. It will offer a longer tutorial on how to find a tradeskill society, how to join it, and how to get into tradeskilling. It will show you the difference between the different classes and help you make a more informed decision about which profession you wish to take.

If you have seen the tradeskill island in Everfrost, this is a preview of things to come. I wanted to move tradeskillers out of the damp dark tradeskill dungeon and out into the world for some excitement. The giver of these quests and merchants will be available here. There will be tradeskill areas set up in Nektulos, Steppes, Enchanted Lands, and Everfrost. I tried to get to the places that they will be with a level 3 adventurer and didn't have so much trouble as long as I was careful, so adventure level shouldn't be an issue, especially if you can get friends to help you out.

The quests after the extended tutorial will first teach you how to do batch refines. This means if you have 20 Metal Clusters, 20 Tempers, and 20 Fuels then you can produce 20 Metal Bars at once.

The next set of quests will teach you how to create items more quickly, they will upgrade your recipes so that they only require half of the progress that was previously needed.

The final set of quests will net you different pieces of tradeskill clothing that will give you an increase in technique that your profession uses.

This is a lot of quests, and a lot of work but I am working as quickly as possible to get these additions in. I will post more information on the above issues as they are resolved.

Unfortunately shortly after Frizz left us. We ended up with Beghn again. :smileysad: And this wonderful idea was scrapped leading to the mess that is the TS Revamp.

Anyway, that equipment is left over from then. I cant say i am surprised they are removing it now. It is a shame though.

This made me a bit sad reading this. Leave the island and give us a teleport shard to it!. Or at least leave it. It's quirky, mysterious and above all, a monument. I spent some good crafting time there just for the hell of it. I say make a few cold-based recipes need that iceclad TS area.

Message Edited by Uanelven on 08-23-2006 04:15 AM

VolgaDark · 08-23-2006, 03:12 PM

Very sad to hear about the island going away SMILEY it is about the only place to craft outside of cave. Each time I passed by I would check to see if they finally added the fuel vendor.

Maybe I’m getting too cynical since the TS rewarp, but to me taking away the island is like the final nail to the coffin of all the grand plans for crafters.

Kyro Cilliani · 08-23-2006, 03:15 PM

Getting rid of the EF tradeskill iceberg is one of the weirdest "why the hell are you even bothering with this" changes i've seen, next to the "raptors in an expansion released a year ago will no longer be stealthed" one, of course.

PIexor · 08-23-2006, 03:32 PM

They probaly removing it because it looks so stupid/silly and does not have a place in the everfrost scenery, it looks almost as good as one of those pink cubes that show up when they model is missing of an item.

Jezekie · 08-23-2006, 03:43 PM

It looks way out of place for the best looking zone in the game. It was an attempt that looked good on paper, to get people out of the TS instances but it was never followed through and expanded on and serves little use at the moment, so it may as well go poof.

standupwookie · 08-23-2006, 04:46 PM

It seems odd that they would take things out of the game. Maybe when they patch tradeskill stuff, they need to write code for specific tradeskill instances. Freeport and Qeynos are two instances....but that doesnt explain why they would leave the Sol A one in. I have never seen anyone using the Sol A one or the Everfrost one...In fact, I rarely see anyone in Everfrost. There are about 50 or so zones in this game that they could completly delete and I dont think anyone would norice until a few months after..

Lera · 08-23-2006, 04:54 PM

They should keep this! It's one of those "huh?" things in the game that just makes Norrath a more interesting place. Tradeskill stations in Everfrost on an island of ice? Sure, why not?

Amataelia · 08-23-2006, 05:08 PM

If they had added a vendor to this island many more people would have utilized it. It was so nice to be able to grind TS levels there as a change of scenery, crafting in the dark TS instances and dark inn rooms can get old very fast.I SAY KEEP IT !! :smileyhappy:Amataelia65 Wizzy70 Tailorand too many alts to listThe Legionnaires of LightBlackburrow

Gareorn · 08-23-2006, 05:20 PM

I'd like to have it stay. I used it a couple times back when the TS zones were first consolidated. The TS zones in the cities were quite laggy for a while after the consolidation, and it was nice to have a place to go where you didn't have to fight the lag. The TS zones have since been fixed and I haven't been back to the iceberg since, but it's nice knowing it's there if I need it.

If it's a game performance issue, then by all means, dump it.

Vulking · 08-23-2006, 05:26 PM

I say leave it. And for crying out loud, just add a fuel vendor. How hard could that be? I am beginning to find it disturbing that things are being removed from the game now, instead of added. I would caution the Devs to add not subtract.

If there any illusions as to why it didn't get much use, its simply because of lack of fuels.

EnchanterB · 08-23-2006, 05:30 PM

I'd like for it to stay. It represents a time when tradeskillers were paid attention to and loved.I spent many levels out there crafting. I enjoyed it while it was around. It's absolutely beautiful to craft under the purple and pink skies with dreadwake swimming by on occasion to say hello.It was planned to be one of many overland tradeskilling places. *sighs* It will be missed.

Tomanak · 08-23-2006, 06:40 PM

EnchanterB wrote:
I'd like for it to stay. It represents a time when tradeskillers were paid attention to and loved.

You mean in beta? For it sure as hell hasnt happened since...

Colin · 08-23-2006, 06:44 PM

Nethirln wrote:

Lalkin503 wrote:
Personally I'd like to see it disappear. It just seem wrong to be there.

If a neutral TS location needs to exist it should be put in a more logical place

like the 1 on sol eye? personaly i dont want it to go

I'd like to see them both go. Get rid of them both and any others like them. It is so illogical to have TS stations in both these places, its absurd. Where is the roleplaying immersion in standing on an iceberg in blizzard-like conditions with your sewing needle and thread or hammer and saw etc. Your fingers would freeze off in 10 minutes. Well, we do have to swim in frigid ice cold water in EF with no apparant ill effects. Sony logic at work I guess. Anyway, the one in EF looks absolutely stupid sitting out there. I'd bet my last dollar even the eskimo's wouldnt use them. Maybe, just maybe if the iceberg had a huge igloo over it to protect the crafting tables from the weather, it'd be more rational. But then the first person to fire up the forge would melt the whole thing. HahahaIf neutral site TS stations are needed in the game, put them in a logical place that makes sense. Just a thought, how about a structure in Windstalker Village, Thundermyst Village, Crossroads, the fort at the zone in to Zek. Any of these make more sense than standing on a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing iceberg with no shelter. /boggle

ironman2000 · 08-23-2006, 07:40 PM

Spangles wrote:

My own personal view on why the TS stations were available in EF are all to do with the Bone Bladed Claymore HQ. Those that do this HQ get locked out of both starting cities until they have killed 1000 sentient beings, which meant that if you were a tradeskiller as well as an adventurer you could not craft anything. The BBC HQ can be collected from Lvl 40, which just happens to be the same tier as EF hence the TS stations.

I have used those TS stations once, and only because I logged on in EF, got a TS order in the mail and my Call was down. I have to say that I did not enjoy the experience. It happened to be winter in RL and standing there with snow flurries blowing around actually made it feel uncomfortable to TS on the iceflow.

Good riddance I say. As already mentioned, there are cosier TS stations inside Sols Eye and you can access both brokers in Shin Village, so any TSers on BBC HQ can still do what they need to do.

Thats kind of silly cause the BBC 1,000 can be knocked out in about 2 hours. Plus if you can't get into the city anyway, how are you going to get fuel? I mean there is no Tradeskill Wholesaler out there on the ice flow.... ?

Amataelia · 08-23-2006, 08:02 PM

ironman2000 wrote:

Spangles wrote:

My own personal view on why the TS stations were available in EF are all to do with the Bone Bladed Claymore HQ. Those that do this HQ get locked out of both starting cities until they have killed 1000 sentient beings, which meant that if you were a tradeskiller as well as an adventurer you could not craft anything. The BBC HQ can be collected from Lvl 40, which just happens to be the same tier as EF hence the TS stations.

I have used those TS stations once, and only because I logged on in EF, got a TS order in the mail and my Call was down. I have to say that I did not enjoy the experience. It happened to be winter in RL and standing there with snow flurries blowing around actually made it feel uncomfortable to TS on the iceflow.

Good riddance I say. As already mentioned, there are cosier TS stations inside Sols Eye and you can access both brokers in Shin Village, so any TSers on BBC HQ can still do what they need to do.

Thats kind of silly cause the BBC 1,000 can be knocked out in about 2 hours. Plus if you can't get into the city anyway, how are you going to get fuel? I mean there is no Tradeskill Wholesaler out there on the ice flow.... ?

A good crafter always has fuel on them :smileytongue:Just because you have to kill 1,000 sentient beings doesn't mean you can't take time to whip up a nice set of pantaloons. :smileyhappy:

Leawyn · 08-23-2006, 08:21 PM

Don't take the island away! I used to TS here all the time on my sage, and will do so on my woodworker when I get the groove to TS again (it comes and goes lol) but please don't take it away. its a nice change of scenery from the ugly stone walls of the TS dungeons.

08-23-2006, 09:46 AM	#1
littleman17 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 675	Honestly, I do not see the purpose of removing this from the game... It is like the only neutral crafting place in the game. Call me paranoid, but I prefer to be in the same zone as the rares I am having made into stuff. This is mainly because I find such a few amount of rares that I can actually use for the character I find em. So please for all of us paranoid people out there that don't like mailing their rares, please do not melt this island away... As I said, there is absolutely NO purpose for taking it away. __________________ Faynar: Level 71 Ranger Daynar: Level 57 Bruiser Tulnar: Level 61 Necromancer Kulnar: Level 50 Templar Bronar: Level 43 Paladin Vronar: Level 40 Defiler Everfrost FTW!

08-23-2006, 09:55 AM	#2
Deson Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	I dont want it to go because it's a good change of scenery from 4 walls. Unless there are plans to spruce up TS instances and add more scenic TS areas at the same time,this is a most unwelcome change for me. For thos that would say craft in your house, remember that it takes a guild level 25 to get the good crafting stations.Oh! and bad form for blaming us. I'd say it was all teh hot air from pompous adventurers! Message Edited by Deson on 08-23-2006 02:56 PM __________________ I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom. I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break...

08-23-2006, 10:31 AM	#5
BlindPari General Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA - TX Posts: 72	I say keep it, its one of the things I enjoy seeing/utilizing in the zone. __________________ Tired, sleepy, stuck at work. So what else is new?

08-23-2006, 10:31 AM	#6
Methriln Tester Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 267	Lalkin503 wrote: Personally I'd like to see it disappear. It just seem wrong to be there. If a neutral TS location needs to exist it should be put in a more logical place like the 1 on sol eye? personaly i dont want it to go __________________

08-23-2006, 12:31 PM	#10
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	first off please don't remove the TS Iceburg, its one of the coolest "huh!?" things in the game, and I... until very resontly am not a tradeskiller and never even consitered using them. I just think its cool to have TS stations just sitting out on an Ice Burg for no reason. BTW, the Gobal warming is NOT caused by Tradeskillers we all know that those rogue clockworks in Fay'dar put out FAR more green house gases then we tradeskillers ever could. __________________

08-23-2006, 10:16 AM	#3
missionarymarr Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 215	I must admit that this one surprised me quite a bit and I would like to hear from the DEVs on the reason for this change. Personally unless it was some sort of performance issue I think they should leave this alone. They have listened to us before on changes so let's hope that they rethink this decision or at the very least give us some reason why it needs to be made. This really seems to be a change out of left field. At least when they removed the newbie quests they explained their reasons for doing so.

08-23-2006, 10:29 AM	#4
Lalkin503 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 8	Personally I'd like to see it disappear. It just seem wrong to be there. If a neutral TS location needs to exist it should be put in a more logical place

08-23-2006, 10:33 AM	#7
Mirdo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 395	When it first appeared my friends and I speculated on what mysterious purpose a tradeskill Island just there could serve - it turned out there was no mystery - so was a little disapointing. I would like it to stay - not because I use it but because I view it as a folly. An odd, out of place set of structures where you wouldn't expect to see them. The game needs a few more illogical twists imo, more mysteries. Mirdo.

08-23-2006, 10:35 AM	#8
ironman2000 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 238	I never really understood why there were crafting stations on an ice berg anyway? Did this really have a purpose? If not I can't see why it took so long to remove anyway.

08-23-2006, 10:39 AM	#9
firza Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 640	To me that Island represented GRAND ideas for Tradeskillers. In fact it inspired me to create 5 TS alts. Now only my main made it to T7, and TS has had non of the great ideas proposed by its fans, or devs. Its kinda like the TS-titanic

08-23-2006, 12:32 PM	#11
Liandra Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Splitpaw Posts: 281	http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=general_tradeskill&message.id=62990#M62990 About a year and a half ago when Frizznik was our TS Dev there were plans to continue the newbie TS quest. It is a series of quests that will allow you to progress as a tradeskiller. The first level quests will be tied to reading Dreak's Note. It will offer a longer tutorial on how to find a tradeskill society, how to join it, and how to get into tradeskilling. It will show you the difference between the different classes and help you make a more informed decision about which profession you wish to take. If you have seen the tradeskill island in Everfrost, this is a preview of things to come. I wanted to move tradeskillers out of the damp dark tradeskill dungeon and out into the world for some excitement. The giver of these quests and merchants will be available here. There will be tradeskill areas set up in Nektulos, Steppes, Enchanted Lands, and Everfrost. I tried to get to the places that they will be with a level 3 adventurer and didn't have so much trouble as long as I was careful, so adventure level shouldn't be an issue, especially if you can get friends to help you out. The quests after the extended tutorial will first teach you how to do batch refines. This means if you have 20 Metal Clusters, 20 Tempers, and 20 Fuels then you can produce 20 Metal Bars at once. The next set of quests will teach you how to create items more quickly, they will upgrade your recipes so that they only require half of the progress that was previously needed. The final set of quests will net you different pieces of tradeskill clothing that will give you an increase in technique that your profession uses. This is a lot of quests, and a lot of work but I am working as quickly as possible to get these additions in. I will post more information on the above issues as they are resolved. Unfortunately shortly after Frizz left us. We ended up with Beghn again. :smileysad: And this wonderful idea was scrapped leading to the mess that is the TS Revamp. Anyway, that equipment is left over from then. I cant say i am surprised they are removing it now. It is a shame though. __________________ ____________________________________________ Liandra on Splitpaw Server Lvl 92 Conjuror / Lvl 92 Jeweler Lvl 92 Alchemist / Armorer / Carpenter / Tailor / Provisioner

08-23-2006, 02:02 PM	#12
Spangles Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 138	My own personal view on why the TS stations were available in EF are all to do with the Bone Bladed Claymore HQ. Those that do this HQ get locked out of both starting cities until they have killed 1000 sentient beings, which meant that if you were a tradeskiller as well as an adventurer you could not craft anything. The BBC HQ can be collected from Lvl 40, which just happens to be the same tier as EF hence the TS stations. I have used those TS stations once, and only because I logged on in EF, got a TS order in the mail and my Call was down. I have to say that I did not enjoy the experience. It happened to be winter in RL and standing there with snow flurries blowing around actually made it feel uncomfortable to TS on the iceflow. Good riddance I say. As already mentioned, there are cosier TS stations inside Sols Eye and you can access both brokers in Shin Village, so any TSers on BBC HQ can still do what they need to do. __________________ Heccie Thump - 90 Defiler Brooozer - 90 Bruiser Dykk Turpin - 90 Brigand Mesmero Magnifico - 90 Coercer Wexford - 90 Shadowknight

08-23-2006, 02:55 PM	#13
Allowin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 113	i say please leave them. it always nice to be able to get a /tell from somebody wanting a crafted item right then and there and who offers any amount of money to get it made.before the EF island was put there, you had to buy a ticket to TS or nek, then trade the item, use your call, craft the item, buy another ticket to TS or nek and finish the transaction now your stuck in EF with no call and then you have to do the zone to zone to zone jumping to get home. now you can just both meet in EF, craft the item while they are standing there. and not have to use your call at all unless you want to go back home.and i dont know about you guys, but the idiots who decided to take away all the TS zones but 1 in each city needs to be tied to a post and whipped. on busy days you cant find a ts zone that has less than 50 people in it (friday-sunday).now to make it worse, on our server, we have been having some of the botter groups (and other assorted morons) who have chosen the TS instances to /duel each other. like its not bad enough to have to try and craft with a tiny TS zone filled with 2-3 people per machine, but add in morons who wanna stand infront of your ts machine and /duel.

08-23-2006, 03:03 PM	#14
gm9 Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 223	I'd like it to stay, if only as a monument for the idea that crafting could be so much more than it is today. Oh well...

08-23-2006, 03:10 PM	#15
Uanelven Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 465	Liandra wrote: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=general_tradeskill&message.id=62990#M62990 About a year and a half ago when Frizznik was our TS Dev there were plans to continue the newbie TS quest. It is a series of quests that will allow you to progress as a tradeskiller. The first level quests will be tied to reading Dreak's Note. It will offer a longer tutorial on how to find a tradeskill society, how to join it, and how to get into tradeskilling. It will show you the difference between the different classes and help you make a more informed decision about which profession you wish to take. If you have seen the tradeskill island in Everfrost, this is a preview of things to come. I wanted to move tradeskillers out of the damp dark tradeskill dungeon and out into the world for some excitement. The giver of these quests and merchants will be available here. There will be tradeskill areas set up in Nektulos, Steppes, Enchanted Lands, and Everfrost. I tried to get to the places that they will be with a level 3 adventurer and didn't have so much trouble as long as I was careful, so adventure level shouldn't be an issue, especially if you can get friends to help you out. The quests after the extended tutorial will first teach you how to do batch refines. This means if you have 20 Metal Clusters, 20 Tempers, and 20 Fuels then you can produce 20 Metal Bars at once. The next set of quests will teach you how to create items more quickly, they will upgrade your recipes so that they only require half of the progress that was previously needed. The final set of quests will net you different pieces of tradeskill clothing that will give you an increase in technique that your profession uses. This is a lot of quests, and a lot of work but I am working as quickly as possible to get these additions in. I will post more information on the above issues as they are resolved. Unfortunately shortly after Frizz left us. We ended up with Beghn again. :smileysad: And this wonderful idea was scrapped leading to the mess that is the TS Revamp. Anyway, that equipment is left over from then. I cant say i am surprised they are removing it now. It is a shame though. This made me a bit sad reading this. Leave the island and give us a teleport shard to it!. Or at least leave it. It's quirky, mysterious and above all, a monument. I spent some good crafting time there just for the hell of it. I say make a few cold-based recipes need that iceclad TS area. Message Edited by Uanelven on 08-23-2006 04:15 AM __________________ Uanelven : - Necromancer -

08-23-2006, 03:12 PM	#16
VolgaDark Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 175	Very sad to hear about the island going away it is about the only place to craft outside of cave. Each time I passed by I would check to see if they finally added the fuel vendor. Maybe I’m getting too cynical since the TS rewarp, but to me taking away the island is like the final nail to the coffin of all the grand plans for crafters.

08-23-2006, 03:15 PM	#17
Kyro Cilliani Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23	Getting rid of the EF tradeskill iceberg is one of the weirdest "why the hell are you even bothering with this" changes i've seen, next to the "raptors in an expansion released a year ago will no longer be stealthed" one, of course.

08-23-2006, 03:32 PM	#18
PIexor Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 113	They probaly removing it because it looks so stupid/silly and does not have a place in the everfrost scenery, it looks almost as good as one of those pink cubes that show up when they model is missing of an item. __________________

08-23-2006, 03:43 PM	#19
Jezekie General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,136	It looks way out of place for the best looking zone in the game. It was an attempt that looked good on paper, to get people out of the TS instances but it was never followed through and expanded on and serves little use at the moment, so it may as well go poof. __________________ ---------------------------- Retired

08-23-2006, 04:46 PM	#20
standupwookie Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 220	It seems odd that they would take things out of the game. Maybe when they patch tradeskill stuff, they need to write code for specific tradeskill instances. Freeport and Qeynos are two instances....but that doesnt explain why they would leave the Sol A one in. I have never seen anyone using the Sol A one or the Everfrost one...In fact, I rarely see anyone in Everfrost. There are about 50 or so zones in this game that they could completly delete and I dont think anyone would norice until a few months after..

08-23-2006, 04:54 PM	#21
Lera Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 661	They should keep this! It's one of those "huh?" things in the game that just makes Norrath a more interesting place. Tradeskill stations in Everfrost on an island of ice? Sure, why not? __________________

08-23-2006, 05:08 PM	#22
Amataelia Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 78	If they had added a vendor to this island many more people would have utilized it. It was so nice to be able to grind TS levels there as a change of scenery, crafting in the dark TS instances and dark inn rooms can get old very fast.I SAY KEEP IT !! :smileyhappy:Amataelia65 Wizzy70 Tailorand too many alts to listThe Legionnaires of LightBlackburrow

08-23-2006, 05:20 PM	#23
Gareorn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,144	I'd like to have it stay. I used it a couple times back when the TS zones were first consolidated. The TS zones in the cities were quite laggy for a while after the consolidation, and it was nice to have a place to go where you didn't have to fight the lag. The TS zones have since been fixed and I haven't been back to the iceberg since, but it's nice knowing it's there if I need it. If it's a game performance issue, then by all means, dump it. __________________ Leader of the vast right-wing conspiricy... Hiding from the world's smartest woman in a bunker under a Hooter's restaurant.

08-23-2006, 05:26 PM	#24
Vulking Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 301	I say leave it. And for crying out loud, just add a fuel vendor. How hard could that be? I am beginning to find it disturbing that things are being removed from the game now, instead of added. I would caution the Devs to add not subtract. If there any illusions as to why it didn't get much use, its simply because of lack of fuels. __________________ Red One: "stay on topic.." Red Two: "I can't shake him!" Red One: "stay on topic.." Red Two: "There too close!.....ahhhhhhghh!!"

08-23-2006, 05:30 PM	#25
EnchanterB Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 52	I'd like for it to stay. It represents a time when tradeskillers were paid attention to and loved.I spent many levels out there crafting. I enjoyed it while it was around. It's absolutely beautiful to craft under the purple and pink skies with dreadwake swimming by on occasion to say hello.It was planned to be one of many overland tradeskilling places. sighs It will be missed.

08-23-2006, 06:40 PM	#26
Tomanak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 595	EnchanterB wrote: I'd like for it to stay. It represents a time when tradeskillers were paid attention to and loved. You mean in beta? For it sure as hell hasnt happened since... __________________

08-23-2006, 06:44 PM	#27
Colin Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6	Nethirln wrote: Lalkin503 wrote: Personally I'd like to see it disappear. It just seem wrong to be there. If a neutral TS location needs to exist it should be put in a more logical place like the 1 on sol eye? personaly i dont want it to go I'd like to see them both go. Get rid of them both and any others like them. It is so illogical to have TS stations in both these places, its absurd. Where is the roleplaying immersion in standing on an iceberg in blizzard-like conditions with your sewing needle and thread or hammer and saw etc. Your fingers would freeze off in 10 minutes. Well, we do have to swim in frigid ice cold water in EF with no apparant ill effects. Sony logic at work I guess. Anyway, the one in EF looks absolutely stupid sitting out there. I'd bet my last dollar even the eskimo's wouldnt use them. Maybe, just maybe if the iceberg had a huge igloo over it to protect the crafting tables from the weather, it'd be more rational. But then the first person to fire up the forge would melt the whole thing. HahahaIf neutral site TS stations are needed in the game, put them in a logical place that makes sense. Just a thought, how about a structure in Windstalker Village, Thundermyst Village, Crossroads, the fort at the zone in to Zek. Any of these make more sense than standing on a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing iceberg with no shelter. /boggle

08-23-2006, 07:40 PM	#28
ironman2000 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 238	Spangles wrote: My own personal view on why the TS stations were available in EF are all to do with the Bone Bladed Claymore HQ. Those that do this HQ get locked out of both starting cities until they have killed 1000 sentient beings, which meant that if you were a tradeskiller as well as an adventurer you could not craft anything. The BBC HQ can be collected from Lvl 40, which just happens to be the same tier as EF hence the TS stations. I have used those TS stations once, and only because I logged on in EF, got a TS order in the mail and my Call was down. I have to say that I did not enjoy the experience. It happened to be winter in RL and standing there with snow flurries blowing around actually made it feel uncomfortable to TS on the iceflow. Good riddance I say. As already mentioned, there are cosier TS stations inside Sols Eye and you can access both brokers in Shin Village, so any TSers on BBC HQ can still do what they need to do. Thats kind of silly cause the BBC 1,000 can be knocked out in about 2 hours. Plus if you can't get into the city anyway, how are you going to get fuel? I mean there is no Tradeskill Wholesaler out there on the ice flow.... ?

08-23-2006, 08:02 PM	#29
Amataelia Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 78	ironman2000 wrote: Spangles wrote: My own personal view on why the TS stations were available in EF are all to do with the Bone Bladed Claymore HQ. Those that do this HQ get locked out of both starting cities until they have killed 1000 sentient beings, which meant that if you were a tradeskiller as well as an adventurer you could not craft anything. The BBC HQ can be collected from Lvl 40, which just happens to be the same tier as EF hence the TS stations. I have used those TS stations once, and only because I logged on in EF, got a TS order in the mail and my Call was down. I have to say that I did not enjoy the experience. It happened to be winter in RL and standing there with snow flurries blowing around actually made it feel uncomfortable to TS on the iceflow. Good riddance I say. As already mentioned, there are cosier TS stations inside Sols Eye and you can access both brokers in Shin Village, so any TSers on BBC HQ can still do what they need to do. Thats kind of silly cause the BBC 1,000 can be knocked out in about 2 hours. Plus if you can't get into the city anyway, how are you going to get fuel? I mean there is no Tradeskill Wholesaler out there on the ice flow.... ? A good crafter always has fuel on them :smileytongue:Just because you have to kill 1,000 sentient beings doesn't mean you can't take time to whip up a nice set of pantaloons. :smileyhappy:

08-23-2006, 08:21 PM	#30
Leawyn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,014	Don't take the island away! I used to TS here all the time on my sage, and will do so on my woodworker when I get the groove to TS again (it comes and goes lol) but please don't take it away. its a nice change of scenery from the ugly stone walls of the TS dungeons. __________________ Maelani \| Maelya \| Maerie \| Maehymn \| Maewyn \| Maekita \| Maelynne